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00:00 >> So guilt is actually a gift
00:02 that comes from God, because 00:05 if we have a soft conscience, 00:07 He's able to speak to us 00:08 through our conscience and say, 00:10 "This isn't good." 00:12 So to feel guilty 00:13 for doing that 00:15 wasn't a bad thing. 00:18 [theme music] 00:21 ♪♪ 00:57 [gentle music] 01:00 ♪♪ 01:02 >> Welcome to 01:03 It Is Written Canada. 01:04 Thank you for joining us. 01:05 As people living in the 01:06 human condition of being born 01:08 with a sinful nature, 01:10 we are prone to make 01:12 sinful missteps and 01:14 decisions which often lead 01:17 to guilt and shame. 01:20 What is the purpose of 01:21 guilt and shame? 01:22 What is the difference 01:24 between the two? 01:26 >> What does God want us to know 01:28 in the aftermath of 01:29 broken, sinful decisions? 01:32 What does the devil want us 01:34 to believe? 01:35 How do we rise up after failure 01:38 and find our dignity 01:40 and strength again? 01:42 Coming to an understanding 01:44 of the difference between 01:46 guilt and shame can help us 01:48 in the healing journey. 01:50 >> Today on 01:51 It Is Written Canada, 01:52 our special guest is 01:53 Pastor Bill Spangler, 01:54 who has led churches 01:56 in the maritime Provinces, 01:57 British Columbia and Alberta, 01:59 retiring from the ministry 02:01 in 2020. 02:03 He has a Bachelor's of Theology 02:05 and a Master's of Divinity 02:07 degree, and has trained 02:09 and is certified as a 02:11 family mediator and life coach. 02:15 >> Bill is married to 02:16 Gwen Yosako, and they are 02:18 parents to two daughters 02:20 and enjoy two grandchildren. 02:23 Bill is the author of the book, 02:25 Lessons From the Wilderness, 02:27 a catalog of life lessons 02:29 that are useful to anyone 02:31 seeking personal growth 02:33 and skills for making 02:35 relationships work. 02:37 >> Bill, thank you for 02:39 joining us again on 02:40 It Is Written Canada. 02:41 >> It's great to be here again. 02:43 Thank you for inviting me. 02:45 >> Bill, in your book, 02:46 Lessons From the Wilderness: 02:48 Find Your Way Home 02:49 and Finish Well, 02:51 a chapter in here was on guilt. 02:52 And I found it helpful 02:55 and intriguing how you 02:57 talked about the gift of guilt. 03:00 And most people just don't want 03:02 anything to do with guilt. 03:04 Let's get rid of it. 03:05 So talk to us about that. 03:07 >> Yeah, guilt is an 03:08 interesting topic and it's 03:10 a part of our journey and 03:11 a part of our heart experience. 03:14 And I think 03:16 when I began to realize 03:18 what guilt really was, 03:20 I began to welcome it. 03:22 So that's a strange 03:24 kind of thing. 03:25 Let's talk about it. 03:26 So I started learning about 03:28 guilt, although I didn't realize 03:30 it at the time, 03:31 I was very young. 03:32 I was in first grade. 03:36 So I processed this story later. 03:38 But the story is that 03:40 it was a muddy, rainy day. 03:41 it was a muddy, rainy day. 03:42 There was a big mud puddle 03:43 in front of our school. 03:45 And it was after school 03:46 and some of the bigger boys 03:48 had taken one of the boots 03:51 of a fellow student 03:54 out to the mud puddle 03:55 and they were going to 03:56 scoop muddy water into the 03:57 scoop muddy water into the 03:59 bottom of this boot 04:00 for him to put it on when he 04:02 came out of the classroom. 04:03 And they got out there 04:05 and they had second thoughts, 04:06 and I said, "Well, I'll do it." 04:08 So I took this boot, 04:09 scooped it up with water, 04:11 and handed it back to them. 04:14 And just at that moment, 04:17 the boy who owned the boot 04:18 came out looking for it. 04:20 He found one boot and 04:21 couldn't find the other, 04:22 and he immediately assessed 04:24 what was going on and went 04:26 back in to get the teacher. 04:28 Well, I didn't know what was 04:30 gonna happen then. 04:31 And she came out and 04:33 a few steps up to the landing 04:35 by the front door and 04:36 she stood on the steps 04:38 with her hands on her hips. 04:40 "Who did this?" 04:42 So I couldn't deny it. 04:44 So I stepped out and said, 04:46 "I did." 04:48 Just then, in that 04:50 almost moment, 04:52 the car pulled up 04:54 to take me home. 04:56 So she said, "Okay, 04:57 your ride is here. 04:58 We'll talk about this tomorrow." 05:02 That was like a death sentence 05:04 to me. 05:05 And so we go home and I get home 05:07 and I'm a mess. 05:09 I'm crying, and I'm afraid 05:11 because tomorrow I'm gonna 05:12 face the consequences of this 05:15 deed that I did. 05:16 So my mother, of course, wanted 05:18 to know what was going on, 05:19 and I told her. 05:20 And I was a mess. 05:22 I just, I was sure that I had... 05:27 ...I was gonna to be in 05:28 real trouble. 05:29 And so I remember her 05:30 calling the teacher and 05:32 talking to the teacher, 05:33 and then she came back 05:34 and she said, "The teacher says 05:36 not to worry. 05:37 We'll talk about it tomorrow." 05:40 So now I had all evening 05:42 and night and morning, 05:44 and I don't remember 05:46 specifically, but I'm sure that 05:47 I went to school with, you know, 05:49 great fear and trepidation. 05:51 And I got there and 05:52 she didn't say anything. 05:55 I guess she said, 05:56 "We'll talk about it at noon." 05:57 Yeah, because I was waiting 05:59 at noon for her to talk to me 06:01 and get my punishment. 06:03 And that day was a sunny day 06:05 and noon hour, everybody was out 06:07 playing ball or whatever 06:08 they were doing, and I wanted to 06:09 be out there with them. 06:10 So come on, talk to me. 06:12 Let's get this going 06:13 because I want to go play. 06:15 And I sat at my desk 06:17 and she was busy on her desk 06:19 and she never spoke. 06:20 The classroom was empty, 06:21 just me and her, and I'm 06:22 waiting for her to talk to me. 06:24 And she said nothing. 06:26 And then finally 06:29 at five to one, she said, 06:31 "Okay, you can go out to the 06:33 bathroom now if you need to." 06:35 That was it. 06:36 I had to miss 06:39 that hour. 06:40 That was my punishment. 06:42 And so I got on with life 06:44 and kept going. 06:45 But that story never left me. 06:47 And then years later, 06:49 as I began to learn and process 06:51 some things, I realized 06:53 the guilt that I 06:56 felt there and 06:58 the reality of it and 07:00 consequences to guilt 07:01 and so forth. 07:02 So I have learned 07:05 from that story what 07:07 conscience is. 07:08 And conscience is kind of 07:10 the seat of where we feel 07:12 our guilt. 07:13 And so guilt is actually 07:16 a gift that comes from God, 07:18 because if we have a 07:19 soft conscience, 07:21 He's able to speak to us 07:22 through our conscience and say, 07:25 "This isn't good." 07:26 It wasn't good what I did, 07:28 I mean, who wants to put 07:29 their foot into a 07:30 muddy-watered boot? 07:32 I wouldn't want that. 07:34 I wouldn't want someone 07:35 to do that to me. 07:36 So to feel guilty for 07:37 doing that wasn't a bad thing. 07:41 But I think about stories 07:42 in the Bible 07:43 of people who, 07:45 when they were 07:46 confronted with 07:48 situations, 07:50 guilt comes up there. 07:51 For example, 07:52 one day the 07:54 people who all were involved, 07:56 I'm not sure, but they brought 07:57 the woman to Jesus who had been 07:59 caught in adultery and they 08:01 challenged Him and they said... 08:04 "The law says that 08:05 she should be stoned. 08:06 What do you say?" 08:07 Of course, they were 08:08 challenging Him, 08:09 and He began to write sins, 08:12 their sins, in the sand 08:15 and then said, "Yeah, 08:16 go ahead and stone her. 08:17 go ahead and stone her. 08:18 Let the one who has no guilt 08:21 or the one who has 08:22 not committed sin, 08:24 cast the first stone, 08:25 be the first one 08:26 to cast a stone." 08:27 And... 08:27 And... 08:29 ...they all left. 08:30 The story says they left, 08:31 which is actually kind of a 08:33 good news story in that 08:35 it says that they had 08:36 a conscience. 08:38 The conscience was, 08:40 "Oh... 08:42 ...I did that. 08:44 I see my... 08:47 ...I see my sin in the sand." 08:50 Rather than just explain it away 08:52 in their minds and say, 08:53 "I'm not guilty, I'll grab 08:54 the first stone. 08:56 Let's get started here," 08:58 they all left. 09:00 We think about them and how 09:03 wrong they were 09:04 to do what they did 09:05 to try and trap Jesus. 09:07 In reality, there was something 09:09 good about that to them, 09:11 that it displays 09:13 that they had a conscience 09:14 that was at work. 09:15 So I recognize that 09:17 guilt is a gift, 09:20 a gift from God. 09:21 And that's a strange statement 09:23 to make. 09:24 >> So Jesus said 09:26 to that woman, 09:27 "Where are your accusers?" 09:29 and she's like, 09:30 "Well, they're gone," right? 09:32 "There's─ no one is here 09:33 to accuse me. 09:34 Where are they?" 09:35 And then He said, 09:37 "Neither do I 09:39 condemn you. 09:40 Go and sin no more." 09:42 So how is that good news? 09:45 Can I go into no more? 09:47 What enables me to do that? 09:50 >> Well, when He said that 09:51 to the woman, I'm sure that 09:53 as she went away, 09:54 she had this serious 09:57 gratitude, 09:58 relief maybe. 10:01 Not maybe, probably 10:04 that He didn't condemn me. 10:06 They're gone. 10:08 Now what do I do 10:09 with this freedom? 10:11 They didn't stone me, I'm alive. 10:13 But it's more than that. 10:14 I get to walk away 10:16 without condemnation from 10:18 this teacher, 10:19 from whoever this man is. 10:23 I'm sure that that motivated her 10:25 to rethink her life 10:27 and to step into a place of... 10:31 ...forward movement 10:33 and forward thinking 10:34 and forward and growth. 10:37 I know that's how it was for me 10:39 with the boot story. 10:41 I would not have gone back 10:43 the next day, if there was 10:44 a puddle the next day and 10:45 someone had said, "Let's fill 10:47 this guy's boot with water," 10:49 there's not a chance 10:50 I would have done that 10:51 because I had had 10:53 the consequence of it. 10:55 The feelings that I experienced 10:57 that night, the dread that I had 10:59 the whole night experience. 11:02 I would not want to repeat that. 11:04 So when Jesus says, 11:05 "Go and sin no more," 11:08 even though she knew 11:09 she was guilty, 11:11 the guilt was actually 11:12 a gift to her 11:14 to bring her to a place of 11:16 process and a place of... 11:19 ...thinking about 11:21 her whole experience 11:22 and her life, 11:24 which is what guilt is 11:25 meant to do for all of us. 11:28 People who have a conscience... 11:31 ...should be grateful for 11:32 the fact that they feel guilt 11:34 when things happen. 11:37 I think about it as 11:38 an illustration of 11:39 we're walking along and we 11:41 get a little pebble in our shoe. 11:43 We can get very angry at 11:45 the pebble and the irritation 11:46 of that pebble, but if we 11:49 look at the other side of 11:50 the coin, we should be grateful 11:51 that we have nerves 11:53 at that place where 11:54 the pebble is that causes pain, 11:56 that causes irritation 11:57 to stop, take the shoe off, 12:00 get the sand, 12:01 get the pebble out, 12:02 because if we keep walking 12:04 on that little rock, 12:05 even though it's very tiny, 12:07 if we keep walking on that, 12:08 it's going to cause 12:11 a sore. 12:12 That sore could turn into 12:13 something bigger and bigger, 12:14 and it could be dreadful. 12:16 I remember reading a book 12:19 called "Pain: The Gift That 12:21 Nobody Wants," 12:23 by Paul Brand and Philip Yancey. 12:25 I was fascinated by that book. 12:28 It─ he─ they talked about... 12:31 ...people who had leprosy 12:34 and how leprosy numbed 12:36 their senses and their 12:37 nerve pain so that they would 12:39 repeat the same 12:40 damaging actions 12:42 over and over again. 12:43 They would walk on 12:45 feet that didn't feel anything. 12:46 So they would continually 12:48 damage their nerve, 12:50 their flesh. 12:53 And I realized from that book 12:54 how beautiful pain is actually. 12:57 It's a warning to us. 12:59 And guilt is the same thing. 13:01 Guilt is a warning to us. 13:03 If we do something like 13:04 fill a boot full of water or 13:06 whatever else it is 13:07 that we might do, 13:09 and we feel immediately 13:11 guilty about that, 13:12 that's God speaking to us. 13:14 If we would just be 13:16 aware of that, that, Oh, God is 13:18 trying to get my attention. 13:20 My body is trying to get 13:21 my attention. 13:22 There's a rock in your shoe. 13:25 So it's actually 13:27 a wonderful opportunity 13:30 to reorient 13:32 whatever it is that 13:33 God is speaking to us about. 13:35 >> So He's warning us 13:37 through guilt 13:38 not to hurt ourselves and 13:39 not to hurt others. 13:41 Because sin really is 13:42 more than breaking a law. 13:45 It's really about breaking 13:46 a relationship 13:47 and hurting ourselves. 13:49 >> Exactly. 13:50 >> We're hostages to sin... 13:54 ...and guilt is telling us, 13:55 "Hey, we need to process this. 13:57 We need to confess." 13:59 And God, of course, is 14:01 more than willing to forgive 14:02 as He did with that woman. 14:04 >> Yeah, and... 14:06 ...the human heart wants to 14:07 go the other way and get rid of 14:08 guilt and push guilt away. 14:10 I don't want to feel guilty. 14:12 I want to do everything I can 14:13 to get rid of guilt. 14:14 And it's not guilt that we 14:15 need to get rid of; 14:16 we need to face guilt 14:17 and say, what is it that 14:18 God's trying to tell me here? 14:21 What's the message 14:22 He's speaking to me about? 14:24 And that was a great 14:26 learning point for me. 14:30 >> But, Bill, when we experience 14:32 this guilt and we try and 14:34 process the guilt and the shame 14:37 that we have caused or that 14:38 we have experienced, 14:40 there's a lot of wrestling 14:42 that happens within us 14:44 as we're processing that. 14:46 Can you tell us about 14:47 these wrestles or these things 14:49 that we have to really 14:51 fight with within ourselves? 14:54 >> Great question, René. 14:56 For me, 14:58 as I have experienced 14:59 guilt in my life, 15:01 I just wanna get beyond it. 15:03 I just wanna push it 15:04 out of the way. 15:05 I don't wanna feel 15:06 all the emotion and the 15:08 confusion that goes with that. 15:10 I just wanna get back to 15:11 the guy before the event, 15:14 the choice, the action, 15:16 whatever it was. 15:17 Part of it is dealing with 15:20 the regrets that we have. 15:22 I remember a lady saying to me, 15:24 in fact, I put it in this term. 15:26 She said to me, 15:27 "So how are you doing?" 15:29 I was at a seminar and 15:31 she asked me in front of 15:32 the whole group, 15:34 "How are you doing?" 15:35 And I said, "I pull behind me 15:37 a semi-trailer load of regrets 15:39 everywhere I go." 15:42 And that's really how it felt. 15:43 It's like this is what I bought 15:46 for the rest of my life. 15:47 I mean, my actions have─ 15:50 This is the end result, 15:52 and I gotta live with it. 15:54 And she said, 15:56 "Well, why don't you 15:57 unhook the trailer?" 16:00 And I just thought, 16:03 You can do that? 16:04 You can actually 16:06 let go of the regrets 16:08 and the guilt 16:09 and all of that? 16:11 And I don't even know 16:13 how I answered her, 16:14 because I was so shocked that 16:16 there might be a day of freedom. 16:18 There might be a day of 16:19 something better. 16:21 And so wrestling with that 16:23 and accepting the fact that, 16:24 yeah, maybe I could let go of 16:27 the regrets of it all 16:28 and step into a stronger and 16:30 brighter tomorrow. 16:31 Maybe that was possible. 16:33 And that was part of 16:34 my wrestling experience. 16:35 I just wanted to get back to 16:37 the guy that I felt that 16:38 I had been before. 16:41 >> So what insights did you get 16:43 into not only guilt, but guilt 16:45 and shame? 16:46 >> Yeah, shame and guilt are 16:48 sort of cousins that go together 16:49 and they get confused. 16:52 People... 16:54 ...talk about guilt and shame 16:55 almost synonymously. 16:57 And I want to say that 16:58 there is a difference. 17:00 Guilt is the experience of God 17:03 awakening our conscience 17:04 to something that we're doing 17:07 or saying or whatever. 17:09 And it's actually a place where 17:12 the response to guilt is 17:13 accountability. 17:14 Yes, I did that. 17:15 Yes, I filled the boot 17:17 with water. 17:18 Yes, I said those things. 17:21 That's the end result of guilt. 17:23 But shame, on the other hand, 17:26 talks about 17:27 our experience of 17:29 how we feel about ourselves 17:31 after we have... 17:35 ...misbehaved or 17:36 done something wrong. 17:37 Our shame is the 17:40 character value that we 17:42 place upon ourselves. 17:44 Guilt deals with the action 17:46 itself, shame deals with 17:47 the emotion around the action. 17:50 Guilt says, "I told a lie." 17:54 Shame says, "I'm a liar. 17:59 That's who I am." 18:01 Guilt says, 18:03 "I did something bad." 18:05 Shame says, "I'm a bad person." 18:09 So now with shame, we have to 18:10 deal with the reality that 18:13 we did something 18:15 that we're guilty of 18:16 and this makes me. 18:18 It's a story that I tell myself. 18:20 Because I did that, 18:21 now I am, and it's never 18:23 complimentary what we say. 18:25 I'm sure the enemy helps us 18:27 work on shame and push us down 18:30 and make our character... 18:34 ...as heinous as 18:36 we can make it 18:37 in our own minds. 18:38 I'm a bad person, I'm a loser, 18:41 I'm never good enough. 18:42 I'm a bad husband, 18:43 I'm a bad wife, 18:44 I'm a bad worker, I... 18:47 Whatever it is, 18:48 I'll never measure up. 18:51 That's all shame 18:52 and the shame that... 18:55 ...the devil likes to make sure 18:57 that we're aware of 18:58 all the time. 19:00 Shame is 19:02 where the regrets lie. 19:03 Shame is where the, 19:06 "I don't know if I can 19:07 get out of this hole." 19:10 That's what that whole 19:11 experience is. 19:13 So I like to think about 19:15 shame in two ways. 19:18 Well, I don't know if I like to 19:19 think about shame in two ways, 19:20 but I recognize shame 19:21 in two ways. 19:22 I believe that there's something 19:24 that I would call healthy shame 19:27 and unhealthy shame. 19:30 So if guilt is actually 19:33 coming to the reality 19:35 of what it is that I did... 19:39 ...now I have to learn 19:40 what to do with it. 19:42 And shame is coming to the place 19:44 of what I did and feeling... 19:47 ...that I... 19:49 ...am a bad person 19:50 for doing that. 19:52 People who come alongside me 19:55 when I have experienced guilt 19:58 and when I have deserved guilt. 20:01 People can come in one of 20:02 two ways. 20:03 They can come to me and say, 20:05 "Yeah, you did that. 20:06 And that was really stupid. 20:07 I don't know what 20:08 you were thinking. 20:09 I don't know how you could be 20:10 so out of touch 20:12 with reality that you would 20:14 do that." 20:16 That only helps to 20:18 pile the shame on. 20:20 But if somebody comes 20:21 alongside me and says, 20:23 "Yeah, you did that. 20:25 And that was very hurtful. 20:28 How can I help you? 20:29 How can I walk with you? 20:31 How can I encourage you? 20:33 How can I build you up? 20:34 How can we step into the future? 20:37 By them starting at the place of 20:39 "Yes, you did that," 20:40 they're just being accountable, 20:42 helping me be accountable, 20:44 helping me own 20:45 the reality of what it is 20:47 that I'm experiencing, 20:49 but then stepping up beside me 20:51 like Jesus. 20:52 When the woman came and He said, 20:54 "I don't condemn you either," 20:56 He also said, "Go and 20:57 sin no more." 20:59 He's encouraging her 21:00 to a healthy lifestyle, 21:02 but He's not ignoring the 21:03 fact that was there, 21:05 the fact that brought her there. 21:06 So healthy shame to me 21:08 is my friend or 21:10 somebody coming alongside of me 21:12 and saying, "Yeah, 21:14 let's not ignore the reality, 21:17 but let's heal it. 21:18 Let's go from here," 21:19 where unhealthy shame says, 21:21 "Yeah, that was pretty stupid. 21:23 You deserve every consequence 21:24 that you got." 21:26 >> So, Bill, 21:28 healthy shame is 21:30 kind of a strange term, 21:32 but I really like the way 21:34 you explained it. 21:36 With healthy shame, we're not 21:38 carrying all that burden 21:40 and placing that burden 21:42 of our characters, 21:44 of what, you know, what we're 21:45 not created to be, really, 21:48 and then─ 21:49 But having someone 21:51 there with us 21:53 to go through it, 21:54 to go through our shame 21:56 and to process our shame 21:58 and that makes it healthy. 22:00 >> Mm-hmm. 22:02 I think that probably 22:03 the story of Peter is 22:05 a good example 22:06 of healthy shame. 22:08 Jesus said to him 22:09 even before 22:11 he denied Him, Jesus said, 22:13 "You're going to deny Me 22:14 three times before the 22:15 rooster crows in the morning." 22:17 "Not me," Peter, you know. 22:20 When the rooster crowed 22:21 in the morning and he realized 22:23 what he had just said... 22:26 ...he went out. 22:28 He left and wept bitterly, 22:30 it says. 22:31 And then 22:33 when Jesus arose 22:36 on the third day, He said, 22:38 "Go and tell My disciples 22:40 and Peter to meet Me 22:43 in Galilee." 22:44 He was recognizing 22:46 the shame that Peter felt 22:49 and wanted to encourage him 22:51 and say, "Yeah, I know. 22:53 I knew before you did it 22:54 you were going to do that. 22:56 But come, let's talk. 22:58 I'm with you. 22:59 Let's step forward from here." 23:00 To me, that's a perfect 23:02 biblical illustration 23:04 of someone walking beside 23:07 with healthy shame. 23:08 Yes, and. 23:12 >> It sparked in my mind, 23:14 and I just gotta open the Bible 23:16 to that place. 23:18 And Jesus is talking to him 23:19 in John chapter 13, 23:21 and he's like... 23:27 And Jesus says... 23:39 And he says, "Let not your heart 23:41 be troubled..." 23:42 He's actually talking to Peter 23:44 right there. 23:45 He says... 23:56 ...for you, Peter, right? 24:04 Here, He's promising him 24:07 a place in heaven. 24:09 He's promising him a place 24:10 with Him eternally. 24:12 And He's saying, 24:13 "You're going to deny Me." 24:15 And He promises this 24:17 before it happens. 24:19 So God's attitude towards us 24:20 is always 24:22 not one of leaving us 24:24 in an identity of 24:26 sinner, 24:28 but in an identity of saved. 24:30 You are my saved child 24:32 and I'm here to save you. 24:33 >> Beyond the sin. 24:35 >> That's right. 24:36 >> Beyond the denial, 24:37 beyond whatever it is. 24:39 >> Yes. 24:40 So this forgiveness 24:41 that God offers to us, 24:43 this cleansing, this, 24:46 He offers it before... 24:49 ...and while we're, you know, 24:50 before we even do it. 24:52 He's─ so before 24:55 there is sin, 24:56 there was a saviour. 24:57 Before there was 24:58 a hurt, a pain, 25:01 God enabled us to heal 25:03 from that hurt and that pain. 25:06 >> While we were still sinners 25:08 He died for us. 25:09 He knew that 25:11 condition of our heart 25:12 before He even came to do it. 25:14 Absolutely. 25:15 >> Any final thoughts, Bill, 25:18 on guilt and shame? 25:20 >> Well, what I realize 25:22 more than anything else is 25:23 how we all need to 25:24 encourage people 25:26 who are feeling the guilt 25:28 and the regrets of life, 25:30 that we need people to step up 25:32 alongside us 25:34 and we could be that person to 25:36 step up alongside someone else. 25:39 Not minimize, 25:40 accountability is a good thing, 25:42 but step through that and say, 25:44 "Let's go from here." 25:46 We all need a community 25:47 for that. 25:48 That's the best thing 25:49 and the best gift that 25:50 God gives us, 25:51 and the best gift that we can 25:52 give to others 25:54 that we experience and that 25:55 we are friends with and that 25:56 we learn about in life. 25:59 >> Bill, we have come to 26:01 the end of our program. 26:02 I wonder if you could pray 26:04 for our viewers. 26:05 There might be someone 26:06 who's watching who is feeling 26:09 intense guilt 26:11 and is having a hard time 26:13 wrestling with shame and guilt. 26:15 Could you please pray for them? 26:17 >> Absolutely. 26:19 Father in heaven, I am grateful 26:21 for You, we are grateful for You 26:23 and how You want to 26:25 change us 26:27 by freeing us from the things 26:30 that come along with this 26:32 sinful world in which we live. 26:34 Our hearts, the enemy, 26:36 all of it together 26:38 can get us locked up into places 26:40 that You don't ever 26:41 want us to be. 26:42 You want to set us free. 26:44 May we experience that from You. 26:46 And may we be encouraging 26:48 to others to help them 26:49 experience the same freedom 26:51 that You want for all of us. 26:53 Thank You for being 26:54 that kind of friend 26:55 and God to us, I pray. 26:57 In Jesus name, amen. 27:00 >> Amen. 27:01 Bill, 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