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00:15 >>Eric Flickinger: Welcome to "Sabbath School,"
00:17 brought to you by It Is Written.
00:19 We are taking a look at the book of Psalms,
00:21 and this is lesson number 4.
00:24 We're on a journey to 13 lessons,
00:27 and this is an exciting one. You're in for a real treat.
00:30 We are looking at "The Lord Hears and Delivers."
00:33 If you've ever felt like maybe you had been forgotten
00:36 or it seems like the Lord has forgotten someone
00:38 or something, you're gonna enjoy this week's lesson.
00:41 Let's begin with prayer.
00:42 Father, we wanna thank You for being with us once again,
00:45 as You have so far.
00:46 We ask that You'll bless our time together and help us
00:49 to see how You are, indeed, a delivering God,
00:52 and we thank You in Jesus' name, amen.
00:56 Well, our guest once again this week is Dr. Dragoslava Santrac.
01:00 She is passionate about the book of Psalms,
01:02 has written much about it, and has much to share.
01:05 Slava, thanks for joining us once again.
01:06 >>Dragoslava Santrac: I'm happy to be here.
01:08 >>Eric: So, let me start this week a little bit differently.
01:11 I love the memory text for this week.
01:13 It is found in Psalm 34, verse 17,
01:16 that says, "The righteous cry out,
01:18 and the Lord hears, and delivers them out of all their troubles."
01:24 Those are encouraging words.
01:25 I mean, the Psalms is filled with encouraging words,
01:27 but those are particularly encouraging.
01:29 Why did you feel impressed for that verse to kind of
01:33 lay the foundation for where we're going this week?
01:35 >>Dragoslava: Yes, so, Eric, you see,
01:38 last week's lesson, that's number 3,
01:41 was about the Lord who reigns.
01:44 We spoke about God as the King, Creator,
01:49 the one who is the Judge, the Law-giver,
01:52 and all these beautiful titles tell us many good things
01:57 about God and give us reassurance.
02:00 But we in theology say that these are more like
02:03 transcendent characteristics of God,
02:06 and people may relate to God
02:09 in that way, thinking, "Oh, He's the King,
02:12 "Judge, something far, Creator, majestic,
02:15 "Someone who is worthy of our worship,
02:18 who is awesome," but perhaps could feel a little bit distance
02:23 because of His majesty.
02:26 However, although God is majestic,
02:29 He is by no means distant from His creation.
02:34 And hence the almost logical continuation in our study that
02:40 we come to "The Lord Hears and Delivers."
02:44 God reveals Himself as someone who is close and someone
02:50 who is near and who wants to have a relationship with us.
02:54 He speaks to us and wants to hear from us.
02:58 >>Eric: So He's our Creator, our King,
03:00 our Judge, our Savior, our Law-giver that we all
03:03 talked about last week. But He's also near to us.
03:07 How do we make that connection or how do we understand
03:09 that connection, that Someone who is so high and lofty
03:13 and powerful and above all, how does He connect with us?
03:18 I mean, we feel at times rather small compared
03:21 to a God like that.
03:23 How does He bridge that gap? What's that look like?
03:25 >>Dragoslava: Yes, well, I would simply say that's how God is.
03:29 That's who God is. He's a loving and caring God.
03:34 Very often, we connect authority with distance
03:38 and with maybe even a harshness, but God is different.
03:44 He's majestic, but at the same time, He's close.
03:48 And there is a paradox in the Psalms
03:50 and in the rest of the Bible: we read that God is far
03:54 and near at the same time.
03:56 He dwells in His holy temple in heavens, but He's
04:02 also present in His earthly sanctuary.
04:05 So what seems to us maybe today, in these modern times,
04:09 as a contradiction, to biblical believers
04:13 in those times made perfect sense
04:16 because God is God,
04:18 especially because we cannot put Him in our boxes and theories
04:24 of logics and rationality.
04:26 But what is given to us to understand is very plain
04:30 and clear, that God is majestic,
04:33 but He is also near, and He is love. He cares.
04:37 He did not just create us and leave the world to run
04:40 by its laws, but He, as the good heavenly Father,
04:44 wants to have a relationship, communion with us.
04:48 >>Eric: So how do we experience that communion?
04:50 We're trying to identify with--I don't know if that's
04:54 the right term--but identify with a God who is majesty.
04:58 How do we experience that nearness that He wants
05:01 to experience with us?
05:03 How do the Psalms help us to make that connection
05:06 that we really do need in order to make it through this life?
05:10 >>Dragoslava: Yes, I believe that it is when we read
05:13 the Psalms, we pray the Psalms,
05:16 sing the Psalms,
05:18 that it is the Holy Spirit, God Himself,
05:22 who joins us in that activity, who comes close to us
05:27 and touches our heart and also opens our eyes to see.
05:32 If you ask me how that happens,
05:36 I don't have a mathematical formula.
05:38 It is like if you were to ask me
05:42 how I fell in love with my husband,
05:44 I could tell about the good things that he has done
05:47 and achieved and his good looks, but that wouldn't be enough.
05:52 There is something much deeper when we speak about
05:55 relationships, and I think that that moment is achieved
06:00 through the Holy Spirit.
06:02 So then when we read in Psalm 139 the psalmist
06:07 now gets this realization that God is everywhere.
06:13 God is deep inside and deep above him.
06:18 God knows him even before he was born.
06:22 He says, "My frame was not hidden from You."
06:25 He says, "When I go to sleep, You know where I am.
06:28 "When I'm up, You know.
06:30 "Even if I go and hide myself in the depths of the sea,
06:33 even there You will find me."
06:36 And he does not say all these things with despair.
06:38 Quite contrary, he finds peace and reassurance in the knowledge
06:45 that God is so close to him that nothing escapes God's attention
06:53 when it comes to His beloved child.
06:55 >>Eric: So He is a God who cares.
06:58 He's a God who desires to commune with us,
07:00 to connect with us, to encourage us,
07:03 to help us in many different areas and experiences
07:10 in our lives. And that's really,
07:12 as you said, we tend to get this idea
07:14 that power is lofty and distant.
07:17 But God says, "No, I'm all-powerful, but I'm also
07:21 right there and very interested in you."
07:24 Let me ask you a question, something else that you
07:28 talked about in this week's lesson,
07:29 and that's the sanctuary.
07:31 How does the sanctuary kind of help us to understand
07:36 the experience that God wants to have with us,
07:41 that nearness?
07:42 A sanctuary is just--it's full of symbols and stories.
07:48 What do we see in the sanctuary about
07:51 God's desire to be close to us?
07:52 >>Dragoslava: Yes, sanctuary is a wonderful
07:55 and very deep subject, not just in the Psalms.
07:58 It's at the heart of the entire Bible.
08:00 The sanctuary is the place where God dwells.
08:04 You mentioned the various pieces of furniture and symbols
08:07 that teach us the story of God's gospel of salvation
08:13 from the entrance being one entrance, one way
08:16 that leads to life, Jesus, to the altar with the sacrifice.
08:21 Again, Jesus is the Lamb of God
08:24 who died for the forgiveness of our sins.
08:27 And now when we are forgiven, there is a laver with water
08:32 to wash us away and to clean our conscience.
08:35 We enter into this holy place,
08:39 where we have this close communion with God.
08:41 And when we enter there, we receive the gifts of God:
08:45 His light that we need in this dark world,
08:49 the bread to nourish us.
08:51 Jesus said, "I am the light," "I am the bread."
08:54 And then in the most holy place is the seat of God's rule,
08:59 His throne with His law.
09:02 So there is this whole story of salvation.
09:05 But for the psalmist, the sanctuary,
09:08 apart from teaching these wonderful lessons of salvation,
09:12 is also a place of refuge.
09:14 We read in the Old Testament that people who unintentionally
09:19 committed certain crimes could go and find refuge
09:23 in the sanctuary, and they would be protected.
09:26 The sanctuary, the Psalms tell us,
09:29 is the place where the Father of the fatherless takes care,
09:34 the One who takes care of the widows,
09:36 of the hungry, of the poor.
09:38 And for the psalmist, that's the place where he wants
09:41 to abide forever and ever.
09:44 >>Eric: So, the sanctuary gives us a picture of God's desire
09:49 to be, well, "Let them build me a sanctuary--"
09:52 >>Dragoslava: "So that I can dwell among them."
09:55 >>Eric: That's it. And so He wants us
09:57 to feel His nearness and sense it.
10:00 And you mentioned the different elements of the sanctuary
10:03 and, you know, the. one that I love is the altar of incense,
10:07 you know, the prayers ascending before the Father.
10:11 It's all about that communion, about that connection
10:15 that God wants to have with His children.
10:17 And the book of Psalms goes through so many pictures of God
10:21 and His care for us, that He didn't just start the earth
10:25 spinning and then, as you mentioned,
10:26 go off and deal with weightier matters.
10:29 He's still--He longs to hear our prayers.
10:32 He longs to commune with us.
10:33 He wants to draw close to us and for us to draw close to Him.
10:39 >>Dragoslava: Yes, yes, and if I may quickly add:
10:44 though for the psalmist, God is everywhere, and he feels
10:48 His presence and love wherever he is in the world,
10:52 he acknowledges that he experiences God's presence
10:57 in a very special way when he is in the sanctuary, and that's
11:01 a great encouragement and a call for us, especially
11:05 for us who are a little bit introverted,
11:08 not to abandon the community of faith,
11:11 not to abandon going to church and meeting in God's sanctuary.
11:16 Yes, that is a building, but "where two or three
11:19 are gathered in my name," Jesus said, "here I am in the midst
11:23 of them," in a very special way and blessing.
11:27 >>Eric: So, church attendance, church participation--I use
11:31 the word "attendance"; that means you're there.
11:33 That's good, but really, participating in the life
11:37 of the church draws 2 or 3 or 4 or 200 or 300 or 400 people
11:43 together, and there's a dynamic there, in which the Holy Spirit
11:49 can really work, and we can be an encouragement to others,
11:51 and they can be an encouragement to us.
11:54 So, "Fo not forsake the assembling of yourselves
11:56 together, as the manner of some is."
11:59 And we see Christ's return coming very,
12:02 very soon, and it's a very real call for us to be
12:07 a people of faith and a family of faith.
12:09 And that family of faith ought to spend time together.
12:13 And the sanctuary is, again, as you said,
12:15 a beautiful picture of that, of God's people coming together.
12:19 They would come to the sanctuary each day, and they would connect
12:23 with the priests there, and the priests interacted
12:25 with people and made that connection
12:28 between the Savior and them.
12:31 If there was somebody who was feeling disconnected,
12:35 not sure, they know God exists, but He seems kind of distant,
12:40 what kind of words would you share with them to help them
12:43 be encouraged that He cares? >>Dragoslava: Be encouraged.
12:46 Yes, well, I would like to say again, every, every text
12:50 in the psalm is there that can encourage, but perhaps,
12:55 as we mentioned Psalm 139, why not read something
12:59 from this psalm?
13:01 And maybe I will read verses 7 and on, just a few:
13:06 "Where can I go from Your Spirit?
13:10 "Or where can I flee from Your presence?...
13:14 "If I take the wings of the morning,
13:17 "and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
13:21 "even there Your hand shall lead me,
13:24 and Your right hand shall hold me."
13:28 Now, if you are encouraged and think,
13:30 "How can I find God? I don't believe in God,"
13:34 God will find you because He created you.
13:38 He redeemed you by the blood of the Lamb, Jesus.
13:41 He will find you. Hold on. God has good plans for your life.
13:47 He loves you.
13:48 >>Eric: He absolutely does.
13:50 And if you're wanting to learn more about His love and dig
13:52 more deeply into the book of Psalms, then make sure
13:55 you pick up the companion book to the book of Psalms.
13:58 You can find it very easily by going to itiswritten.shop,
14:02 and there you will find the companion book
14:04 on the book of Psalms by Dr. Martin Klingbeil,
14:08 and it will be an incredible blessing to you.
14:10 We're going to come back in just a moment as we continue
14:12 looking at this week's lesson.
14:14 We'll be right back.
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14:20 >>John Bradshaw: They are some of the most famous words
14:22 ever spoken:
14:23 "The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want,"
14:28 written by a former shepherd.
14:30 King David wrote the 23rd Psalm.
14:32 Don't miss "Great Chapters of the Bible: Psalm 23."
14:37 As we look at this beautiful Psalm,
14:40 David draws on his experience as a shepherd and draws
14:44 on the depths of his relationship, his sometimes
14:47 rocky relationship, with the God of heaven.
14:50 David speaks about God as his shepherd.
14:53 He says, "I shall not want."
14:55 He said that God, his shepherd, makes him "to lie down
14:59 in green pastures" and leads him "beside still waters."
15:03 See a beautiful picture of God, the picture David saw:
15:06 God as shepherd, as carer, as provider.
15:11 Don't miss "Great Chapters of the Bible: Psalm 23"
15:16 on It Is Written TV.
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15:55 >>Eric Flickinger: Welcome back to "Sabbath School,"
15:57 brought to you by It Is Written.
15:58 We're taking a look now at lesson number 4 in our study
16:02 of the book of Psalms.
16:04 And, Slava, we're talking here about God in the challenges
16:08 that we face in life sometimes, the Defender, the Deliverer,
16:12 but life is not all full of sunshine and rainbows.
16:15 We go through challenges. It's part of life.
16:19 But when we're going through those challenges,
16:21 sometimes the question comes up in our minds,
16:23 naturally: "Why, God?
16:26 "Why are You letting me go through this?
16:28 "I've tried to serve You and love You, and I read
16:32 "the Bible, and I pray, and now I'm going through
16:35 this very difficult challenge."
16:38 Where is God when these things happen?
16:42 >>Dragoslava Santrac: Well, I think the history of humanity
16:45 has examples of people trying to address that question
16:49 and give an answer.
16:50 And I'm not sure that we do have a straightforward answer
16:55 that will satisfy anyone's curiosity and a need.
17:00 But, on the other hand, I believe we have enough
17:02 revelation in the Bible to provide us
17:05 peace and assurance in all this misery happening around us.
17:11 And first thing I would say is we should remember
17:15 that the Psalms are God's Word, not just people's words to God,
17:21 but God's Word to us; namely they're Jesus's prayers, too.
17:27 So, one of the most desperate Psalms, I believe, is Psalm 88:
17:34 "O Lord...of my salvation, I have cried out
17:36 "day and night before You.
17:38 "Let my prayer come before You; incline Your ear to my cry.
17:42 "For my soul is full of troubles,
17:45 "and my life draws near to...grave.
17:48 "I am counted with those who go down to the pit;
17:51 I am like a man who has no strength."
17:54 And the images--and later on it becomes even harder to read,
18:00 at least experience and go through such experience.
18:04 And when we read this as Jesus's prayer,
18:09 we understand that we are not alone in our pain,
18:14 in our cries, that this is also God's cry:
18:18 "My God, my God, why?"
18:20 And God is asking this question, why.
18:23 He is the one who created this perfect lovely world.
18:27 How did it happen?
18:29 And God will ask these questions throughout the Bible as well:
18:33 Why and how?
18:36 And maybe a little hint towards the answer is the motif
18:40 of the great controversy, that yes, God is the sovereign ruler
18:45 and yes, He is in control, but that does not exclude
18:50 the possibility, which God allowed, that His reign
18:54 is challenged by evil on a daily basis.
18:58 And that's why we have this great controversy
19:01 going between good and evil.
19:03 And God is there to navigate His children and this world
19:09 towards the end, where He wants the world to bring,
19:12 and this is the world without suffering, without crying,
19:15 without sin and evil.
19:17 But let us remember when we read these cries for justice,
19:22 they are our cries, but they are God's cries, above everything.
19:26 >>Eric: So, this is another aspect of Him drawing close
19:30 to us and wanting to be with us because He's gone through
19:35 many of the same things that we are going through.
19:37 In fact, He's--He goes through them manifold times
19:40 more than we do. >>Dragoslava: On the cross.
19:42 >>Eric: On the cross, things that I don't think many of us
19:44 have experienced.
19:45 He was abandoned by everyone, taking all the sins of the world
19:49 on His own shoulders, so He's borne more than any of us
19:53 are going to ever have to bear, which doesn't decrease
19:58 the magnitude of our struggles and our challenges.
20:00 We go through many, and some people's struggles
20:03 are more significant than ours, or difficulties are
20:07 more significant than ours or less so.
20:10 So, understanding the great controversy,
20:12 as you mentioned, helps us, I think,
20:14 to understand how God's sovereignty and His goodness
20:18 and His power and His desire for good
20:21 don't negate the challenges that we face.
20:26 Anything else that you could share on that
20:27 to kind of help us grapple with that?
20:30 >>Dragoslava: Yes, and just see the key questions
20:32 that we sometimes or usually want to address in conversations
20:37 like this with other people is almost our need to defend God,
20:43 to prove that God is right and that everything
20:46 is in its place.
20:47 But not the Psalms.
20:49 The same psalm that I read, Psalm 88,
20:52 verse 13: "But to You I have cried out," and then verse 14:
20:57 "Lord, why do You cast off my soul?
21:00 Why do You hide Your face from me?"
21:02 So the psalmist is not there to defend God. Why?
21:05 Because he knows that God will defend Himself.
21:09 The key in the great controversy,
21:12 I would say, is our attitude.
21:18 Our--what is tested there is not our knowledge;
21:21 it's our faith.
21:23 And when our faith is tested,
21:26 the key is, will we withstand the test?
21:30 And that's where the Psalms can help us tremendously
21:35 because we realize for the psalmist
21:37 there are moments, difficult moments,
21:40 where faith is a deliberate choice
21:44 to continue trusting the Lord.
21:46 And this Psalm 88 ends with the thoughts
21:50 of "I will say praise to the Lord."
21:53 At the moment, he's like a dead person,
21:56 but still he chooses faith over despair.
22:00 He chooses intentionally trust over abandoning his God,
22:06 who has proven Himself in the past time and time again,
22:10 and this is one of the biggest lessons I drew from the Psalms
22:14 for myself: that there are times in my life when faith is purely
22:20 a deliberate choice for God, for faith
22:25 over the other things.
22:27 >>Eric: So there may be things in our lives
22:29 that cause us to doubt. >>Dragoslava: Yes.
22:32 >>Eric: These things come. It's a natural part of life.
22:35 But in the times when things are good,
22:38 we can build up that faith that helps to carry us through
22:42 the times when doubts may arise, and that's very, very powerful.
22:47 Friday's lesson mentioned something interesting,
22:49 that some Psalms can be used to foster false hopes.
22:53 How does that happen, and how can we avoid gaining false hopes
23:00 from something that we might find in one psalm or another?
23:03 >>Dragoslava: Well, an interesting example
23:06 from Jesus's life can help us understand that.
23:09 In Matthew, chapter 4 when Jesus was tempted in the wilderness,
23:14 there is that one incident when Satan comes and tells Him,
23:18 "Well, if You throw Yourself from this height,
23:21 from this cliff, didn't God say in His Word"--
23:24 and then Satan quotes Psalm 91, verses 11 and 12,
23:29 that God will send His angels to take you, so your foot
23:35 will not be stricken by the stone,
23:37 and you will be preserved and--
23:40 what a wonderful Bible quoter Satan is,
23:45 but, you see, the way he quoted the Bible is
23:48 to combine a Bible promise with a clear temptation of God,
23:53 going against God's will.
23:55 And this is a way that sometimes we can mistreat
24:00 the Bible promises and apply them to something that's
24:04 clearly not God's will.
24:07 If I know that something is sinful,
24:09 that something is not bringing praise to God,
24:13 it may be even harmful to someone,
24:15 I can never pray the psalms of confidence:
24:19 "The Lord shall be with you wherever you go
24:21 and whatever you do"-- and things like that.
24:24 So, in order to pray those psalms rightly,
24:27 we need to have a right heart before God
24:30 and to serve Him in truth and how God wants.
24:35 Only then we will read the Psalms the way
24:37 God wants us to read them.
24:40 >>Eric: You mentioned the importance of having
24:41 a right heart with God.
24:44 How might one--I don't know if I wanna use the word "ensure."
24:48 It might be a little bit strong.
24:49 But how might one have a right heart with God
24:53 so that we don't end up fooling ourselves
24:56 into falling into that trap because, as you mentioned,
24:59 the devil knows the Bible better than any of us do.
25:02 He can quote it, probably in its entirety,
25:06 over and over again; it wouldn't surprise me at all.
25:08 We can trip ourselves up.
25:10 How can we make sure that our approach is correct
25:13 so that we can understand these verses in the right context?
25:17 >>Dragoslava: Yes, yes, the psalmist, whenever,
25:20 in many places, would pray,
25:22 he would say, "Lord, You see me, and You know me."
25:26 So, being open to God in prayer, as you said, sometimes
25:31 we fool ourselves, but many times we try to fool God, even,
25:36 if I can say that way, by pretending to be
25:40 something we are not. And God does not need that.
25:44 God wants us, who we are with what we are,
25:49 to come like that to Him.
25:51 And then the psalmist would say in another place,
25:54 "Create in me a new heart."
25:57 If we are--if you are aware that your heart is not right with God
26:03 and you just don't have the means and the knowledge,
26:05 sometimes even the will, to make it right,
26:09 rest assured that that job is not yours at all.
26:14 The psalmist says, "Create in me a new heart," meaning it is God
26:19 who will create that will and want to do His will.
26:24 And by His grace, He can do that.
26:26 If we will stay on that track of trusting Him and abiding
26:31 in His presence, to His Word.
26:34 >>Eric: So, we can find our own faith
26:36 strengthened by reading the Psalms.
26:38 We can gain a clearer picture of God,
26:40 of His majesty, but also of His desire to have
26:44 a personal relationship with us.
26:46 And as we get to see a clearer picture of who He is
26:49 and His willingness to condescend to our level
26:53 and care about us, I mean, it is who He is.
26:56 God is love. He's naturally gonna do that.
26:58 But He reaches out, and He cares.
27:00 When we see that desire, that relationship,
27:03 it should--it should awaken in us a desire to be close
27:07 to Him and to understand Him better
27:10 and His plan for our lives.
27:12 And because of that, if we face--and I should say,
27:15 when we face challenges and difficulties,
27:19 we can cling to the God who clings to us.
27:23 And that should give us an incredible amount of hope.
27:27 >>Eric: Well, this week, we've been delighted
27:29 to have you join us once again as we have looked
27:31 at the challenges that are faced in the Christian walk.
27:35 We trust that you have been blessed as a result of that,
27:37 and we're going to continue our study together as
27:41 we look at more of the Psalms in the very near future.
27:45 Next week, when we come back once again,
27:47 we're going to see exactly how we can do that.
27:51 Thanks for joining us, and we'll look forward to seeing you again
27:54 next week on "Sabbath School,"
27:55 brought to you by It Is Written.
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