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Series Code: LTBW
Program Code: LTBW000026A
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00:35 Hi, I'm Dr. Kim, and welcome to Live to be Well.
00:39 I say to myself all the time, 00:41 "I'm not going to let go of God." 00:44 I'm not gonna let go of my family, 00:46 not let go of what God has given me to do. 00:48 Today, I'm blessed to have Pastor Garth Gabriel, 00:51 the Pastor of the Conant Gardens 00:53 Seventh-day Adventist Church. 00:54 Amen. In Detroit, Michigan. 00:56 Welcome, Pastor, how are you? 00:58 It's great to be here. I'm doing great. 01:00 You're doing great, you gonna behave yourself. 01:02 I'm gonna try to make this through. 01:04 You are gonna make it through? I'm gonna make it through. 01:05 Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna behave myself. 01:07 Well, I just want to thank you for coming on. 01:09 It's my pleasure. I praise God. 01:11 We want to just talk about not letting go. 01:13 You are not letting go of God, your calling on your life, 01:17 your family, you are committed to your wife, your children, 01:20 your grandchildren, your community. 01:23 You know, why are you not letting go? 01:25 You have so many hats you wear. So why not let something go? 01:31 There is so much to lose 01:33 even when you let go of things that might seem minute, 01:37 because I believe that God has the ability 01:40 to create in us a gift to do different things, 01:43 and to bless different people. 01:45 So it's a difficult thing to let go 01:47 when once you start at something. 01:49 It's easy for lot of people to do, 01:51 but it's always not the right thing to do. 01:53 That's it. 01:54 The Bible says, "He'll make room for your gifts". 01:56 Yes, indeed. 01:57 And, you know, and you sing, 01:58 I remember being at Oakwood College, 02:00 and I saw this group The Heritage Singers. 02:03 Oh, yeah. 02:04 And there was one 02:06 African-American, was it just one? 02:07 Good looking, good looking guy. 02:08 You want me to put that in there? 02:10 Yeah, yeah. Good looking, African-American. 02:11 And I'm like, you know, "Who are these people 02:14 coming to sing at Oakwood," 02:15 I know they want to give us diversity, 02:17 but well, you know, so I was like, "Okay", 02:20 but then I want to, in fact you found a wife there. 02:23 Found my wife at Oakwood. 02:25 Yes, and didn't attend Oakwood. Didn't attend. 02:27 You did attend Atlantic Union College. 02:29 I went to The Great Atlantic Union College. 02:31 Did you say The Great Atlantic... 02:32 The Great Atlantic Union College. 02:33 Oh, my. Great people, great people. 02:35 Great people, well, look at you, great people. 02:36 Well, you are so kind. 02:38 Ah, yeah, I'm being kind right now. 02:40 So you make your wife there, how did you meet her? 02:43 I was sent to audition singers, 02:48 and I don't know if you remember Dunbar Henri? 02:51 Yes, yes. 02:52 Dunbar is a Heritage singer... Yes. 02:54 And he said, "Well, I have a couple singers for you 02:56 to meet that you're going to like." 02:58 And sure enough he brought my wife Rosie 03:01 to valentine back then to sing. 03:04 And I listened to her and said, "Yeah, that's the one." 03:09 But I was only interested in the voice. 03:11 Okay at that time, the voice. 03:13 "No, right, Kim, right, Kim," okay. 03:17 And she sang... Yeah. 03:19 And we asked her to join. 03:22 About three, four months later, and she came out, 03:24 came out to California. 03:25 Came to California? Yeah. 03:27 So how did this marriage begin? 03:31 When Rosie did join the Heritage Singers, 03:34 of course, we travel together on a bus. 03:38 We lived on the bus, men and women lived on the bus. 03:43 And we had a family type atmosphere, 03:46 of course, you know, we stayed in hotels 03:49 on weekends in those days, and in people's homes 03:52 so the ladies would be in one home, 03:55 the men would be in other. 03:56 It was quite nice. 03:58 We enjoyed good home cooking from those days, 04:02 now every night's a hotel. 04:05 Things have changed. But I miss those days. 04:07 But it gave an opportunity for me 04:09 to really talk to my wife, you know, 04:12 especially on those long bus rides 04:15 from city to city, and understand her, 04:18 understand her background, and understand her family, 04:22 really great family. 04:24 And so it was an easy decision when that time came. 04:27 Oh, blessing. 04:28 How many children do you have? 04:30 We have four children. 04:33 And the reason I hesitated, we actually had five, 04:36 we lost one when we first moved to the Detroit in 1986. 04:40 I didn't know that. 04:41 Yes, yes, and she was actually, almost nine months pregnant 04:46 and we lost him, a little Romaine. 04:49 And so he's buried at Mound and Davison 04:51 at the cemetery there. 04:53 So we still go from time to time, 04:55 but we have four children, and love them. 05:00 You have, you dealt with a few of them. 05:01 Yes, yes, yes. 05:03 And how many grandchildren? 05:04 Two grandchildren. Two grandchildren. 05:06 I know, you're saying, 05:07 how could I look so young, like I know... 05:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, 05:10 I can't believe you're grandfather. 05:12 I can't believe it either. 05:13 Okay, moving right along. So now... 05:17 So you were AUC, what were you studying in school? 05:21 I studied behavioral science, psychology, 05:24 sociology, and I minored in theology. 05:28 Really? Yes, yes. 05:30 So when you went to Kansas City, 05:31 were you a pastor there? 05:33 No, no, no. Okay, well, tell us about that? 05:35 When we moved to Kansas City in 1982, 05:41 Pastor Randy Stafford, 05:43 who was your pastor at one time. 05:45 He was our pastor, and he said, 05:48 "Garth, I'm going to make you an elder." 05:51 Being an elder, 05:54 pastor was the farthest thing from my mind. 05:56 And became an elder, and he ordained me, 06:00 and things happened after that. 06:02 So how did you come to be in the Lake Region Conference 06:06 in Detroit? 06:07 I was, my wife, we were in business together. 06:12 When we moved here, I had a million dollar business, 06:16 and we were, you know, 06:18 we're doing pretty, pretty well. 06:20 And believe it or not I, one morning, 06:25 and it's almost that Jonah experience 06:28 that Larry Keith talked about, I just had this urge 06:34 to do something for the Lord. 06:36 We were very successful in what we were doing. 06:40 As a matter of fact, unbeknownst to you, 06:42 and I don't know if I ever told you this before. 06:44 But one of our clients happened to be one of your clients, 06:47 and they spoke... 06:49 This is it in about 1988-89, 06:51 and he spoke very highly of you. 06:55 Because he heard Seventh-day Adventist. 06:57 He says, "I have a Seventh-day Adventist friend," 06:59 and you were, I guess, counseling in the school, 07:02 and so I knew about you even back then 07:07 because we didn't, we didn't attend the same church. 07:09 Same church, no, no. 07:10 So I gave God a challenge, I said, "God, 07:13 if you want me to leave business 07:15 and get into ministry, 07:17 you're gonna have to do something to prove it to me." 07:19 You know, usually God ask us to prove but I asked God, 07:23 you know, I want you to prove it to me 07:25 what you wanted. 07:27 And so we planted a church in Lathrup village, 07:32 the Community Fellowship Seventh-day Adventist Church, 07:35 went there, just my family. 07:37 I was preaching to five of them. 07:39 Just five people? 07:40 Yeah, just five, started with five, and then six, 07:43 and then seven, and then eight. 07:46 And God just blessed the ministry, 07:49 blessed the planting of the church. 07:51 And when we left there in 2006, 07:56 we had about 250 people attending. 07:59 So now, how did it become under the conference 08:03 because this was, you know, a planted church... 08:05 Right. 08:07 So and then they, then they picked you 08:09 because you were not a pastor within the conference. 08:11 Exactly. So how did that happen? 08:14 Dr. Miles, our president at the time, 08:18 I stayed in constant contact with him, and he said that, 08:23 "If you would like to join the conference," 08:25 he said, "we have procedures that we follow." 08:27 And he laid out those procedures for me. 08:29 He said, "We need a parent church." 08:31 And by the way, the Ypsilanti Seventh-day Adventist Church 08:33 became our parent church under pastor Ralph Shelton. 08:37 After that, we just, 08:40 we were voted into the conference, 08:43 and shortly after that they asked me 08:44 to be a full time pastor. 08:46 Wow, God showed up and showed out. 08:48 Showed out. 08:49 Didn't plan on it, did not plan on doing this. 08:52 Oh, my goodness, how long have you been in ministry now? 08:54 Almost 20 years. 08:56 What? Yeah. 08:57 Have you been 20? Almost 20 years. 08:59 You know... Yeah. 09:00 And I've known you since, of course... 09:02 Yeah. 09:03 The community fellowship. Right. 09:05 Of course, over at Coney gardens. 09:07 And then having a good relationship 09:09 with you, and your family. 09:11 The girls were in the hands of praise. 09:13 Those girls, you were excellent. 09:15 Oh. 09:17 You taught them so much and they use it today. 09:19 I have to tell you though. Yes. 09:20 You taught them sign language. Yes. 09:23 And they would often speak in the house 09:26 when they didn't want me to know anything. 09:29 They use sign language. 09:30 They use the sign language. So I thank you for that. 09:32 Oh, you're very welcome, you're very welcome. 09:34 And I remember this stage presence 09:36 'cause remember, we do concerts all over... 09:39 And they, Gabriel girls, and, oh, my goodness, 09:42 your daughter Erika being in the Aeolians. 09:46 Oh, just amazing voice. Thank you. 09:49 How are they doing, you know, because 09:51 Quinn just got his master's from Oakwood. 09:52 Yes, yes, her husband Quinton as well. 09:54 And they're pastoring in Texas. 09:55 Yes, they are in Texas right now, 09:57 probably gonna go through some changes 09:59 'cause being a pastor, you know, 10:00 they may be relocating. 10:02 So we're praying, pray for them because they need prayers 10:06 as to which direction God is leading them. 10:10 Wouldn't it be wonderful to have him come back 10:12 and co-pastor with you? 10:13 That would be awesome. 10:14 I know you would love to have your baby girl here. 10:16 I would, I would love it. 10:17 You know, do you babysit? 10:20 I don't consider taking care of my grandchildren, 10:23 babysitting. 10:24 Okay. 10:25 I think, they babysit me. 10:27 Oh, my Lord, and you know, you know what, 10:29 you need some oil right now 10:32 'cause you're probably dozing out. 10:34 I doze out, and I wake up, and they are looking at me. 10:39 Like, "You are supposed to be taking care of us." 10:41 I know, I know, I know. Okay. 10:44 Marriage, your relationship, 10:46 how do you enjoy marriage and balance a ministry? 10:51 That's a very difficult question 10:55 because ministry has taken 10:57 such an integral part of my life 11:01 that oft times your home suffers. 11:03 A lot of ministers go through that. 11:04 So I'm guilty. 11:06 A lot of my members say, 11:08 "Have you talked to your family? 11:09 Have you taken your wife out? Have you done that?" 11:11 And I'm so caught up in doing church, 11:14 the church's ministry that I often neglect. 11:17 I'm being upfront. Yeah, be transparent. 11:19 Yeah, I'm being very transparent. 11:20 Yeah, that would help someone else. 11:22 But I'm doing a lot better. You're doing better. 11:23 Oh yeah, I have members on me who make sure that I do. 11:26 You do date night? 11:27 Yeah, we do, we go out, we do date days a lot of times. 11:31 So we would go out to restaurants, you know, 11:34 take off during the day, in the middle of the day, 11:36 and we just had a date night on this past Tuesday. 11:41 Tuesday? 11:43 'Cause all the children are gone, the baby is home. 11:44 Yeah, the baby is home. Goth, how old is he now? 11:46 He's 20 years old. What? 11:49 One more year at Oakwood. 11:51 One more. What's his major? 11:53 He's doing political science. 11:54 What? One more year? 11:55 Yes, yes, but, you know, his passion... 11:59 Yes. Is the guitar. 12:00 Is it? And he plays... 12:01 He plays for church? He plays for church. 12:03 He plays guitar and... I haven't heard him. 12:04 He's pretty good. 12:06 That is really wonderful, 12:07 you include him in the service like that. 12:08 Yes, all of, all of my children. 12:11 What is happening to our inner city relationships 12:15 with our youth today? 12:16 Where are our youth in the church? 12:18 What's happening? 12:20 We have prayed, we have looked at data 12:24 as to why young people are leaving the church, 12:28 and why is it even in the inner city 12:30 we can't draw more people to us? 12:32 You know, I... 12:35 That is a very difficult proposition. 12:38 It's good, I think, to look at, you know, 12:41 the beast of Revelation 13, or the harlot in Revelation 17, 12:47 and send those pictures on posters, 12:48 but that does not really appeal to people in the inner city. 12:53 You know, I don't, I can't speak 12:55 for the suburban communities 12:57 but I have come to understand that 13:00 you need one on one meetings. 13:03 You need to spend time with them. 13:05 And show them you love them. Yes. 13:08 Feed them. Yes. 13:10 Take care of them. Yes. 13:11 And then you bring on the Revelation 13:13 and the Daniel's. 13:14 But people aren't really drawn, and I don't believe 13:17 we have enough programs for our young people. 13:19 We need purpose in the church. We do. 13:22 You know, if I have a purpose, I'm gonna serve. 13:26 That's why, you know, when the Lord put on my heart 13:28 with God's Hands of Praise, I remember, 13:29 when a young lady approached me after my oldest daughter 13:33 and I signed for family life program, 13:36 and my pastor didn't really understand, 13:38 he thought I was dance Minister. 13:39 I said, "No. 13:40 We use our hands." Right. 13:42 And we signed we shall behold him. 13:46 After that this young lady, 13:47 the roof as City Temple fell in. 13:50 We had to go to another church to use... 13:51 I remember that. 13:53 Remember that. Yes. 13:54 So this young lady tapped me on the shoulder and said, 13:56 "You need to start a class." 13:57 I said, "Honey I'm too busy." 13:59 For like eight weeks, 14:02 she would ask me to start a class. 14:04 One Sabbath, we went to another church 14:06 so I could avoid her. 14:08 Came back, she was, you know, in the back of me, 14:11 and she was like this. 14:13 She was like 13, 14, 13 years old. 14:15 And she looked at me, she said, "God told me to tell you 14:19 to start a class, 14:21 and God will bless this class." 14:23 Wow. 14:24 And now 23 years later, God's Hands of Praise. 14:28 And that was Meghan Prince King. 14:30 Oh, my goodness! 14:31 And she was just a little bitty thing. 14:34 13 years old. I think, no. 14:35 She was eight. Oh, she was eight at the time. 14:37 Eight years old. Okay, okay. 14:38 She said, "You have to start this class." 14:41 And then the choir grew from 8 to 28, to 38, to a 100, 14:45 you were at concerts. 14:47 And we would go from church to church, 14:49 gave them a purpose. 14:51 We went to Bermuda, went to Canada, Illinois, 14:54 but they will come to church 14:56 because we were a part of the service, 14:58 and then they wanted to be in church 15:00 'cause we were all together. 15:02 It gave them a purpose. 15:03 We need programs in the church. I agree. 15:07 So what kind of programs do we need to implement 15:10 in the church to help our young people to feel like 15:12 they are part of the service? 15:15 And you and I have worked together before... 15:17 We, you know, remember, we bought Smokey and Foland. 15:19 Oh yes, yes. 15:20 And they've got to sign... Yes. 15:22 You know, things like that, and I believe that 15:24 we need to have effective Bible studies. 15:28 Interesting ways of, you know... 15:31 Just innovative ways of incorporating 15:33 our young people. 15:34 In particular into studying the Bible 15:36 and loving the Word of God. 15:38 And we have fallen short somehow. 15:42 I don't know the answer to many of ills 15:47 that we go through, but we're praying. 15:49 We have an excellent prayer team, 15:51 and we pray for our youth every opportunity we have. 15:55 I think, having Chase speaking at our church last week 15:58 brought out so many of our young people. 16:00 He's 15, isn't he? Yes. 16:01 And then having them come hear 16:04 someone from their age group preach... 16:06 That's right. We need more of that. 16:08 Training our young people... Yes. 16:10 We need to have sewing classes, GED classes, 16:13 we need to have math class, we have vacation Bible school. 16:16 Yes. But after a week it's over. 16:19 So we need to open up more programs to the church, 16:22 I mean, to the community. 16:24 And that's what builds our congregation. 16:26 Yeah. 16:28 You know, I did something, Kim, a few years ago, 16:32 I wanted to go right into the heart of the city 16:35 and you know, we don't put tents up anymore. 16:37 No we don't do the tent efforts. 16:38 We don't, but I decided to do it with it, 16:41 the Lord just said, "Do something different." 16:44 And we planted a tent in the middle of Holland Park 16:46 right in the center of Detroit, and the drug dealers were there 16:50 that push us, you name it, homeless folk were there, 16:55 and we spoke, I preached for three weeks. 16:58 The first night there were no lights. 17:00 No lights. 17:01 I preached in the dark, and people were there, 17:03 they came out from the shelters they came. 17:06 Brandon Dent, we talk about Brandon all the time. 17:08 Brandon was my music director with a young lady 17:11 called Lisa Sameano, you know Lisa. 17:14 And we sang, and I preached for three weeks, four weeks. 17:18 Four weeks! 17:19 And what was very interesting, I asked, 17:23 we put up all of our equipment, our sound equipment, 17:26 and I asked some of the drug dealers, I said, 17:28 "Look, please take care of our tent for us, 17:31 make sure that everything is in place." 17:34 Four weeks, we never took a microphone, an amplifier out, 17:39 and everything stayed 17:41 because they bought into what we were doing. 17:44 And by God's grace, we baptized over 60 people in four weeks. 17:48 What? Four weeks. Going right into the city. 17:50 See there. God is good. 17:52 And they are hungry for the Word of God. 17:53 They need it, it's out there and they need it. 17:56 You look at our youth today, they'll get into a gang, 17:59 they'll run away from home because 18:00 they're looking for acceptability, 18:03 they are looking for structure. 18:05 Yes, they are. 18:06 And if mom is on drugs, dad is on drugs, 18:08 or dad is in prison, I need someone to guide me 18:11 so I'll turn to the gangs, and I'll go to anyone 18:14 that's going to help guide me. 18:16 That's right. Even if it's negative guidance. 18:18 They're looking for some type of structure to fit in. 18:22 I think, it's important that 18:24 we do still have the usher board. 18:25 We need to put back in place our AY program. 18:29 Adventist Youth Program. Yes. 18:30 I grew up with that. 18:32 I look forward, 5 o'clock in the afternoon, 18:34 we couldn't wait to get back to church. 18:35 Right, that's right. You know... 18:37 We didn't go home. 18:38 We didn't, yeah, right. We stayed. 18:40 Yes, we would have fellowship dinners. 18:42 That's right. You know... 18:43 And then you stayed for a while. 18:45 We would have it at least three times a month. 18:47 You know, Marshall T. Kelly, you know, 18:48 T. Marshall Kelly was my pastor... 18:50 And he was like, we're having dinner... 18:53 James Parker, Pastor Parker. Yes. 18:56 They wanted us to stay close. 18:58 And I remember we had pastor there, I read you Bill. 19:02 Oh, yes. Bill Conan. 19:03 Bill Conan, his wife, his first wife 19:07 did a class on the Great Controversy, 19:12 and she mandated all the parents 19:14 bring the children back. 19:16 We would sit there like this, I mean, it was unbearable. 19:22 But she would allow us to get involved 19:27 by saying, "What do you understand? 19:29 What you don't understand?" 19:31 And that's when it became engaged. 19:32 You bought into it. 19:33 We bought into it. Yes. 19:35 But you can't just come 19:37 and just let the young people just sit there. 19:39 You know, you know I let the young people 19:40 direct the choir. 19:42 They lead out, I didn't do solos, 19:45 and they were able to bring suggestions. 19:48 Which song would you like to... 19:49 And then Arthur and I would feed them. 19:51 Yes, you know, you gotta have niche. 19:54 Well, I remember with Hands of Praise, 19:56 sometimes it's my daughters, they wouldn't eat at home 19:59 'cause they knew they were going to be eating 20:00 at your home. 20:01 They're gonna eat good. Yes. 20:03 And I would sent Arthur to grocery, we need spaghetti, 20:05 we need garlic bread, we need A, B, C and D. 20:09 salad, we, they would come, and I say, 20:11 "Now we're going to eat," well, I say 20:13 "No, we're gonna rehearse first." 20:14 And then we would stop and eat, fellowship for a little bit 20:19 and get right back to rehearsal. 20:21 And they, you know, sometimes 20:22 they don't want to leave. 20:23 It'll be 9:30 and they would still be there. 20:25 Yeah, I remember because I used to pick them up. 20:28 You used to pick them up. And daddy... 20:30 I say, "Where is your father? 20:31 Oh, I got a call, I'd say, could you call your father? 20:34 I have to go to bed." You know. 20:36 I want you to keep him. No. 20:38 So we praise the Lord, and no matter 20:40 what I asked of you and your wife to do, 20:43 you were there, you participated, 20:44 the members came out to support us. 20:47 You just, you didn't just teach them sign language, 20:51 you also taught them principles that they would be able 20:53 to carry for the rest of their lives. 20:55 Praise the Lord. 20:57 And you probably did not understand it 20:59 even what the impact that you had on their lives 21:01 and the other members of sign language, 21:05 and we missed the concerts, we miss it. 21:08 Well... But we have it in video. 21:09 Yeah, you have the videos. We still look at the video. 21:11 But we're getting ready for our 25th anniversary. 21:13 You're gonna have a big... 21:15 I'm having a big, you know, I'm gonna do it big, 21:17 bring everybody back from all over the country. 21:20 'Cause they are in New York, California, Texas, Huntsville, 21:23 all of them would come back together. 21:25 When you're going to do that? That's going to be 2019. 21:31 We turned to decide if it's going to be 21:33 in the fall, or the spring. 21:35 Okay. 21:36 That deserves enough time to plan. 21:38 You know, not Christmas time, the weather. 21:39 Oh, yeah, enough time to plan. All right, great. 21:41 Everybody is coming in, it's gonna be wonderful. 21:42 Can't wait. 21:43 And it's going to be a whole weekend 21:45 of celebrations. 21:46 But also ministry, 21:47 those who are no longer in the church. 21:49 It'll be a way of bringing them back. 21:51 And we're going to, I'm going to ask that if not, 21:55 I'm hoping that we have a large place 21:58 to have our service, 22:00 and let them know that we need you. 22:02 That's right. 22:03 God needs your services, 'cause some of them 22:05 have left the church. 22:06 Yeah, unfortunate. Unfortunately. 22:08 You know, why haven't you let go? 22:11 You know, of just being, pastors are divorcing. 22:15 You know, Pelk is bringing me in to do a conference 22:19 for the pastors and their wives. 22:23 Pastors need help too. 22:25 A lot of us, sometimes we need somebody we can trust, 22:28 somebody we can talk to because everybody, 22:30 your members confide in you, and you take on all this stuff, 22:34 you take it on and you have to be discreet, 22:36 you can't tell anybody else, you know, you have to, 22:39 and sometimes we hurt. 22:42 And so I'm not just appealing for the young people 22:45 but sometimes the pastors need a way of getting help too. 22:48 Yes, they do. 22:50 So it's unfortunate that, you know, 22:52 we have divorced pastors, 22:54 or pastors who are going through problems. 22:56 It's becoming an epidemic. It is. 22:59 And I have a pastor who just said 23:03 he doesn't understand, 23:05 came in to meet with me for counseling. 23:07 Arthur and I, from another conference, 23:10 and he just said, "I don't understand 23:12 what I did wrong. 23:14 I'm a pastor, I love my family, but, you know, 23:18 that my wife doesn't want to do this anymore." 23:21 It is a lot of responsibility to be a pastor's wife. 23:23 Pastor's wives, they have it tough. 23:26 You know, I dated a pastor. 23:27 You did? Yeah. 23:28 What's his name? I can't tell you. 23:31 He, you know, oh, I can't put his name out there. 23:34 No, I know you wouldn't, I know you wouldn't. 23:36 And we dated four years. Really? 23:39 And he came to me and says, "I'm changing my major." 23:42 I said, "You're changing your major to what?" 23:44 He said, "To theology." I said, "We're done." 23:47 You, but see you didn't do it right. 23:49 I knew that was not my calling. Really? 23:51 I can't have folk walking on my carpet. 23:54 Yeah. Fussing at my husband. 23:57 With sometimes going to board meetings 23:58 or business meetings. 23:59 I would have been in the board meeting, okay, 24:01 you in the board meeting, excuse me, 24:02 why is your wife in the board meeting? 24:04 You have to have thick skin. 24:05 I got to have thick... Oh. 24:07 Yeah, because you can get it there. 24:09 'Cause even watching Arthur being an elder. 24:11 Yeah. It was difficult. 24:12 Yeah. 24:14 You know, and we both were on the board. 24:15 Satan will inflict things 24:19 and he forces his way into any situation 24:22 that has the potential to bring people to Christ. 24:25 He will find a way. 24:27 In your signing ministry... Yes. 24:29 In your church... Yes. 24:31 There's always gonna be problems, always. 24:34 But we just have to live above it, and expect it, 24:37 be prepared because he's like a roaring lion... 24:39 Yes, he is. He is. 24:41 How do you and Rosie to resolve your problems 24:43 when you get to a point, what do you do? 24:45 How do you resolve it? 24:46 You know, we've been married now for 30, almost 39 years. 24:50 What? Yeah. 24:51 Look at God. 24:53 Isn't that amazing? Look at God. 24:54 Yeah, so sometimes... 24:55 I'm just saying look at God, she's still with you. 24:57 I know, I know. Praise the Lord. 24:59 Pray for her. I'm praying for her. 25:02 We understand each other to the point that 25:06 sometimes we don't even have to say anything. 25:07 You know, you finish each others sentences. 25:10 She didn't give you that look 25:11 when you go over time in church, and you preach, 25:13 does she give you that look like... 25:14 I get the look. 25:16 You get the look? I get the look. 25:17 I tend not to go too much, you know. 25:19 Do you look at her when you're preaching? 25:20 You know, what I do, she never knows my sermon 25:23 or anything except if I ask about something. 25:27 I look at her every now and again 25:30 but if I did something that she thought was, 25:32 when I get home... 25:34 You are gonna get it. 25:35 She lets me know, she lets me know. 25:37 I need that. Yes, yes. 25:39 I need that. Get that balance. 25:40 Yeah, yeah exactly. 25:42 So you cook, clean, wash? Ah! 25:44 You know, I tell my church, this is really funny 25:46 because the 29th... 25:49 Everybody knows I can't cook. You can't cook? 25:51 But I've been pretending like I could. 25:53 So I told them that the pastors and elders 25:56 are having a big dinner on the 29th, 25:59 and I invite your friends, and I'm going to be cooking, 26:02 and I told, I'll even do some vegan stuff for you. 26:04 Yeah. I can't cook. 26:06 So what, so are you having the dinner? 26:08 Yeah, we're gonna have the dinner. 26:10 When is this, on the 29th, is this for everyone 26:12 or just for pastors? 26:13 Everyone, Everybody. At your church? 26:14 At my church. 26:16 You can come and enjoy 26:17 'cause I'll probably do a vegan dish for you. 26:19 That's all right, I think, I got something to do that, 26:21 you know, I think, I'm working a day. 26:24 But we're gonna have a good time. 26:26 Really? The pastors are not gonna cook. 26:27 I told them on Sabbath that I'm going to make some juice. 26:30 You're going to do some juice. 26:31 I'll do... I'm good at that. 26:33 You know, so, you know, we're down to about a minute. 26:35 All right, all right. 26:37 So closing remarks to help someone 26:39 that you don't have to let go. 26:42 If you look back over your lives, 26:45 if you look back at how God has brought you 26:47 through certain situations, it's a matter of fact, 26:50 the psalmist in Psalm 13 asked a question, 26:54 when he felt that he was being attacked by Saul. 27:00 He said, "How long, O Lord, how long?" 27:03 In other words, you know, how long am I going 27:06 to keep putting up with this mess? 27:10 This thing that I'm going through. 27:12 And then he answers this question 27:14 by the time it gets to verse 5 and 6, and he says, 27:16 "But I will trust in the Lord, I will rejoice in the Lord." 27:19 So we need to remember what God has done for us. 27:23 And then we can put our total, complete trust in Him. 27:27 And He will bring it to pass. He'll bring to pass. 27:30 My favorite scripture Pastor, Psalms 34:1, 27:33 "I will bless the Lord at all times 27:35 and His praise shall continually be in my mouth." 27:38 You can't curse God and bless Him 27:40 at the same time. 27:41 Pastor Gareth, I want to thank you so much 27:43 for coming on Live to be Well. 27:45 Oh, God bless you. Can you say that for me? 27:46 Live to be Well. Say it again. 27:48 Live to be Well. With Dr. Kim. 27:51 Okay, all right. 27:53 Live to be Well with Dr. Kim. 27:54 I love it. My friend. 27:56 That's right, and I just want to thank all of you, 27:58 never let go. 28:00 I'm Dr. Kim. 28:01 Continue to Live to be Well. God bless. |
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