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Series Code: LTBW
Program Code: LTBW190030S
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00:01 The following program features real clients
00:03 discussing sensitive issues. 00:05 The views and opinions expressed in this program 00:07 don't necessarily reflect 00:09 that of 3ABN's Dare to Dream Network. 00:11 Viewer discretion is advised. 00:49 Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan Nowlin, and welcome to Live to be Well. 00:54 What is live to be well? 00:55 It's about us having wellness, 00:57 feeling good about ourselves and treasuring ourselves. 01:01 Today our topic, special treasure. 01:03 I want to welcome this beautiful couple 01:06 Roy and Lisia Sadler. 01:07 Welcome to Live to be Well. 01:08 Thank you. Thank you. 01:10 We're so happy to be here. We are really excited. 01:11 I remember the first time I met you. 01:14 You were at City Temple Seventh-day Adventist Church 01:16 here in Detroit. 01:18 And you were talking with my husband 01:19 and one of you recognized him on the pulpit 01:22 from the Dare to Dream Network. 01:24 Lisia, you did. 01:25 And then you were like, 01:27 his wife has to be somewhere around here, all right? 01:29 And Arthur signaled me and I met you all. 01:32 You were so kind, so gracious 01:34 and even, Lisia, you came over to the home 01:36 and sang with Arthur, 01:38 you know, before he passed, 01:40 it was just so lovely of you to take the time. 01:42 So I wanna talk about a special treasure. 01:45 I've had a special treasure 01:47 and I know what it felt like, and I still do, 01:49 but you all have each other. 01:51 Roy, why is Lisia so special? 01:54 And why is she that treasure? 01:56 I think it's because I like reality. 01:59 You know, a lot of people, 02:02 they don't mind people being pretentious 02:04 then they have to work through layers and things like that. 02:06 One of the really cool things about her 02:09 that made her a treasure for me 02:10 is that she always set me straight, 02:12 if I was doing something that didn't make sense. 02:15 I appreciated the correction. 02:17 I appreciated someone who could let me know, 02:19 you know, lot right. 02:21 Oh, right. Lot right. 02:23 Was this in the dating period? 02:25 Yeah. This is right. 02:26 Wow. Okay. So I appreciate it. 02:27 That's something I wanted. 02:29 I didn't wanna just be all over the place. 02:31 So I treasure that a lot. You treasure that a lot? 02:33 Lisia, why is Roy a treasure to you? 02:37 He's a treasure to me because 02:39 I feel like he takes the time to understand me, 02:42 to care about what I'm thinking, 02:45 what I'm doing, 02:46 what I'm putting inside my body, 02:48 if I'm resting. 02:50 And we do that for each other, you know? 02:53 I check, did you drink enough water today? 02:55 He does the same thing for me. 02:56 And I know that 02:59 there are other people out there 03:00 that probably would make great husbands, 03:02 but Roy is the best choice in a husband for me. 03:06 And a treasurer is something that's very, very special. 03:09 It's something that's rare. 03:11 And the relationship I think that we have 03:13 with each other is rare. 03:14 And so that's why I treasure him. 03:16 I wouldn't... I couldn't think of anyone else 03:20 that I would want to be with other than him. 03:22 Yes. 03:24 Recently you were at my home church, 03:26 you are at special music and you were singing this song 03:30 and I was trying to videotape you 03:31 at the same time watching Roy. 03:33 And it just brought tears to his eyes, 03:35 the way he looked at you, 03:37 the way he smiled, the way he was just so blessed. 03:40 You ministered to him sitting there. 03:42 Let's talk about, we see divorce in our communities 03:46 and our Christian communities, 03:47 but we're seeing it in the Adventist Church. 03:50 Roy, what is happening? 03:53 I think it's an overall reflection 03:55 of what's going on in society. 03:57 And people think that the church is immune, 03:59 but it's not. 04:00 And I think it's from letting down our guard 04:04 and straying away 04:06 from what we were brought up with, you know? 04:09 I remember visiting some of my mates 04:11 from high school and college 04:12 and, you know, you wanna approach them 04:14 and talk and catch up, haven't spoken 10, 15, 20 years 04:17 or whatever the case may be. 04:19 And you get timid 04:20 because you don't want to broach church. 04:21 You know, you don't know if they're still active or, 04:24 you know, so it becomes this kind of thing. 04:27 You know, you don't know what... 04:28 so I think that's just a reflection of society 04:31 and we need to work on that I think, 04:33 you know, to re-church our companions and our cohorts, 04:38 the people that we came together with, so... 04:41 What do you think, Lisia, is happening in our family, 04:43 because you just celebrated 28 years together? 04:47 Yes. Praise the Lord. 04:49 But we're not seeing that any more in our young couples, 04:53 so what do you see? 04:56 I see a lot. 04:58 I see couples 05:00 not willing to work at marriage. 05:05 I think that media television 05:08 sometimes, books, 05:10 whatever it is that's out there 05:13 has people having a view of marriage 05:16 as something that they can just get in and out of. 05:20 If you don't like what someone's doing, 05:22 or saying, or not doing, 05:24 you can just get out of it and marry someone else. 05:27 And the way Roy and I were brought up was that 05:30 when you make a vow, it's a vow. 05:34 It's something that you mean to carry through with. 05:37 And it's your word and your bond. 05:42 You said that you would be with this person 05:45 till death do you part. 05:47 That's serious. 05:49 You know, when we went into our marriage, 05:51 it was till death do us part. 05:53 And it wasn't easy, the first three years, 05:56 five years, seven years, eight years 05:59 after year eight or nine 06:02 is when we really started to really gel. 06:06 And we could have easily gotten divorced our first, 06:09 second or third year. 06:10 I remember going home once, and my mom sent me right back. 06:14 She sent you back? She sent me right back. 06:16 So, you know, and it wasn't that 06:18 I was thinking of divorce. 06:21 But if I didn't have that foundation 06:24 that this is till one of us passes, 06:29 it would have been easy to just quit 06:31 and move on to someone else and move on to someone else 06:34 and keep moving on. 06:35 So it really takes having that commitment 06:40 that I gave my word 06:42 that this is something I'm gonna do, 06:43 and I'm gonna do it. 06:44 And stick with it mentality. Stick with it, yeah. 06:47 You know, you both, tell me where you're from, Lisia. 06:49 Where were you born? Port of Spain, trini. 06:51 You were gonna say, all right, Trinidad. 06:52 Trinidad, trini to the bone. 06:53 Trini to the bone. All right. 06:55 And where were you from? 06:57 I'm from Jamaica, West Indies. 06:59 Now, where did you all meet, 07:00 you're on two different islands here? 07:02 Where did, how did you all meet? 07:03 Well, we both came here when we were really young. 07:05 Yes. 07:07 I came here when I was about five 07:09 and I was, I had left Andrews. 07:12 I graduated from Andrews 07:13 and I was in Huntsville doing graduate work 07:17 and I liked to always blow off steam. 07:20 I grew up roller skating a lot. Yes. 07:22 You know, and so that was one of the ways 07:24 I blew off steam after exams 07:26 and met her at the roller skating rink. 07:28 In Huntsville? 07:29 An open roller skating rink on a Saturday night. 07:32 Are you kidding me? 07:33 Yeah. Yeah, a true story. 07:34 Now Andrews University 07:36 again is one of our Seventh-day Adventist universities 07:39 that is in Berrien Springs, Michigan 07:41 and Oakwood University is in Huntsville, Alabama, 07:44 but both a Seventh-day Adventist training institution, 07:47 educational institution. 07:49 So did you bump into her? 07:52 Almost. 07:53 So what was it that attracted you to her? 07:56 Well, that's really interesting that you ask. 07:59 I'm just a kind of a geeky friendly guy 08:01 who will talk to anybody. 08:02 And I was just being friendly. 08:05 Was she nice? 08:08 I'll let her take that one. 08:09 So he kept trying to talk to me that evening 08:13 and I wasn't feeling that well. 08:15 I really wanted to go home 08:17 and he kept trying to talk to me. 08:19 And so, I don't know 08:21 if you've ever been in Oakwood rink, 08:23 but they have this cable wire drums 08:25 with carpet on it. 08:27 So he was literally following me around. 08:30 Where you stalking her? 08:32 Okay. We're not gonna say stalking, okay? 08:34 Maybe a little. 08:37 It was a good meeting. 08:38 So did you give your number that night? 08:40 No, actually one of my girlfriends 08:44 invited him to my home the next day, 08:46 because I was having a barbecue 08:49 and he dropped us home that night, 08:51 but my girlfriend invited him, 08:53 but he ended up in the kitchen with me all afternoon 08:55 and it's been like that ever since. 08:58 Isn't it, I need some tissue, that's so beautiful. 09:01 That is really beautiful and the commitment. 09:04 All right. 09:05 So let's look at tools, communication, compromise. 09:09 What kind of tools do you use in your marriage? 09:11 I would say our togetherness. 09:14 We do a lot of little things together. 09:15 Okay, quality time? 09:17 Yeah. 09:18 Outside, working outside together. 09:21 Traveling, not necessarily to any special destination. 09:24 I just want you with me. Come on. Let's hang out. 09:26 Let's go. 09:28 You know, just, we just like each other's company 09:30 and we discovered that in the kitchen. 09:32 Yeah. Yeah. 09:33 So you have a real friendship? Yes. 09:36 That was the big thing. Yeah. 09:38 We... Roy and I, 09:41 we were friends for a long time. 09:45 We, like I said, he was in the kitchen 09:46 with me that day. 09:48 We became friends. 09:49 We, I would go to his place and swim. 09:51 He would invite my mom and my sisters to his house. 09:55 And we were just friends 09:56 and I was very attracted to him. 09:59 He was attracted to me, 10:01 but some of the things he was talking about 10:03 earlier about setting him straight, 10:05 I had boundaries 10:07 and I had those boundaries 10:08 because there were certain commitments 10:11 that I had made to myself and to God, 10:13 that activities I would not be involved 10:16 in prior to marriage. 10:17 And so it was healthy for us to be friends 10:21 because if we allowed ourselves 10:25 to express what we were really feeling, 10:28 I think we would have... 10:30 I would have broken some of those boundaries. 10:32 And so we chose to just be really, really good friends. 10:38 There was something deeper there, 10:40 but it was just easier for me 10:44 if we remain friends, 10:46 and then allow it to develop over time. 10:49 Yeah. 10:51 How do you incorporate God? 10:53 You know, your prayer time together. 10:55 A lot of couples because they're, 10:57 you know, Seventh-day Adventist, 10:58 but they don't pray together. 11:00 They don't study the Word together. 11:01 They don't even go to Sabbath school. 11:03 You know, they drive to church separately. 11:05 That was that a no, no clause in my marriage 11:09 because we look forward to the Sabbath. 11:11 So what do you incorporate to incorporate God 11:15 in your marriage? 11:17 Well, I think one of the first things 11:18 that I thought was really interesting about her 11:20 because she's very artistic 11:23 and she likes to set aside places. 11:26 And so we have, 11:27 our living room doesn't have a TV or whatever in it. 11:31 It's kind of our multipurpose, but it's our worship space. 11:35 So when we even look over there, 11:37 it's kind of like, 11:38 that's the place that triggers the fact that, oh, worship. 11:43 It even reminds me, I walk by 11:45 it and I go, oh, I need to ask her 11:46 would you make time for worship this evening, 11:48 although we're in a rush or something's going on, 11:50 that's the worship space and it's kind like a trigger. 11:52 Yes. 11:53 You know, and so that, that helps a lot. 11:55 Okay. 11:56 How important is praying together, you know? 11:58 And let me ask you this, hold this, 12:01 when you are angry, 12:02 because there's no perfect marriage 12:04 or have a disagreement, do you still pray together? 12:09 Can we be transparent? 12:10 Yes. Okay. 12:12 Sometimes it's difficult at first 12:15 and I would say that 12:17 in the earlier years of our marriage, 12:20 no, we did not. 12:21 We would argue and fuss and we would be separate, 12:26 but as we've grown together, 12:30 after that, I was saying like, 12:32 after that year eight, year nine 12:34 there would be times where I would have to compromise, 12:37 like I know I'm right in this argument 12:40 and I go to him and I say, I'm sorry. 12:43 Okay. And humility. 12:46 Yeah. Yeah. 12:47 And we would say, okay, let's come together. 12:50 And I don't wanna go to bed angry tonight. 12:53 Let's pray, you know, let's have worship 12:55 and something about 12:57 having that time with God together, 13:00 even though you're upset, 13:01 it's like, it just washes... 13:02 It breaks barriers. It washes everything away. 13:05 It's like, you know, 13:06 you know what you might've been arguing about, 13:08 but it doesn't even really matter 13:10 that much anymore. 13:12 And you just start compromising and saying, you're sorry. 13:14 And... 13:16 I think for men, it's a big thing too, that, 13:17 you know, we need to grow and learn 13:20 to be humble in our relationships, 13:21 whether it's in marriage or in any relationship, 13:25 men have strong ego. 13:28 And so, maturing in Christ I think is dying to self 13:33 and learning to suppress that ego 13:37 and just say, hey, I was wrong. 13:40 Or I even think I'm still right, 13:42 but I need to capitulate a little bit 13:45 and just kind of bring it down 13:47 and say, I'm sorry and move forward, 13:48 because without humility, 13:50 I don't think there's any forward movement. 13:52 And Christ talked about that. 13:54 He always expressed that, 13:56 you know, humility is the first order. 13:59 That's it. 14:00 So you would be open to her apology? 14:02 Yeah. Yeah. I would accept it. 14:04 Who is more stubborn? 14:10 I'm very stubborn in my own way, 14:12 but we're both stubborn in different ways, 14:14 I think, right? 14:16 That's true. 14:17 We're kind of both stubborn in different ways. 14:18 Who is a better communicator? 14:20 I think she is. I am. I think I am. 14:22 Better chef? 14:24 She is, but I'm not too bad. 14:27 He's really good. He's really good. 14:28 Organization. 14:30 He is. Yeah. 14:31 Definitely. He's meticulous. 14:33 Very meticulous. Yeah, very meticulous. 14:35 Okay. Timely. 14:37 Time management, who has best time management? 14:40 I think we're... 14:41 She is more efficient than I am because, 14:43 because I'm so, you know, 14:45 schedules and the way things should go. 14:46 Yes. 14:48 She's more willing to move on the flow 14:49 and you know, how women are, can do 14:51 a thousand things at one time. 14:53 I'm more linear, like a guy, you know, A, B, C this slot, 14:57 this slot, you know, so she's more efficient. 15:00 I might be a little more organized 15:02 with slotting time, 15:04 but I think it's a good... 15:05 It's a good mix. Right. 15:07 Yeah. The balance is there. 15:08 All right. Financial management? 15:11 That's always a challenge. 15:13 And it has been for us in the last five years 15:17 due to a lot of illness. 15:20 Yeah, And losing my job. 15:25 But it was so funny. 15:27 My mom was visiting us recently and she said, 15:31 "Your husband is a great manager.' 15:35 I don't know how he's managed all of this 15:37 because the loss of my income was, 15:41 it was major, 15:44 and not to diminish Roy's role 15:49 as a financial provider. 15:50 But for the last decade, 15:52 I had a substantial more income than he has 15:56 because of the role that I played in what I did. 16:00 And so it was taking a huge head away from us. 16:03 So I think he's done pretty well 16:06 managing with the simple fact 16:09 that we haven't had my income, 16:12 you know, so, you know, it's been a challenge, 16:14 but God has been good. 16:15 God has taken care of us. 16:17 He pays tithe faithfully. 16:19 And I think that that is always a covering 16:24 when you pay your tithe faithfully. 16:26 You return your tithe, because it belongs to God. 16:27 All right. 16:29 When you return your tithe faithfully, 16:30 God covers you. Oh, He does. 16:31 And your health and others. 16:33 You lost your father. 16:35 Let's talk about that? 16:36 How was Roy's support during that time to you? 16:39 It was awesome during that time. 16:43 You know, God has a way of timing things. 16:47 And you don't understand His timing 16:50 around the time that my dad became ill, 16:53 I lost my job. 16:55 And so my time was free 16:58 and Roy works from home. 17:01 So we packed up our car. 17:02 We drove down to Lithonia, Georgia, 17:05 and I helped my mom take care of my dad. 17:08 I cooked for him, 17:10 you know, helped her around the house. 17:12 She did most of the medical nursing stuff. 17:15 She and my younger sister who has more medical training, 17:19 but I made sure that everybody was cooking, 17:22 eating healthy every day. 17:23 And just spending time with him, 17:25 reading the Bible to him, singing to him. 17:28 So the fact that he packed up his computers 17:32 and packed up all his gear and brought a desk 17:35 so that he could work 17:36 while he was at my mom's house. 17:38 And I could be with my mom and my family 17:39 and help with my dad. 17:41 That was awesome. 17:42 He was so supportive during that. 17:44 And we did that twice while he was ill. 17:47 I don't know a lot of spouses. 17:50 Maybe they wouldn't be able to do it 17:52 because of their work situation, 17:54 but some wouldn't want to do it. 17:56 You go, I'll be here when you get back. 17:58 When he was there, he, my dad grew his beard out 18:02 and he hadn't worn a beard for many years 18:04 because it was all gray. 18:06 And my dad liked, 18:07 you know, he has a, 18:09 had a way with his personal aesthetics. 18:10 He'd like to love them, you know, very groomed. 18:12 So he didn't wear a beard, but due to the illness, 18:15 he had like a little lump on the side of his neck. 18:18 And so he grew a full beard and Roy trimmed him up 18:21 and cut his hair and had him looking slick, 18:24 even though, even though he was ill. 18:28 So those are the things like he takes care, 18:31 not just of me, but of my parents. 18:33 When my mom comes, she's like, 18:36 "Son, can you give me a haircut?" 18:38 And he gives her a haircut. 18:39 So he is just loving and supportive. 18:43 Very, very, I think. 18:45 And I had the privilege of meeting your father. 18:47 I did. 18:48 Let's talk about the direction of your marriage. 18:52 You know, Jesus is soon to come 18:55 and preparing your mindset 18:58 and the cycle of change 18:59 because we see what's going on in our world today. 19:02 How are you preparing yourselves 19:04 to be ready for Jesus to come in this world that we live in? 19:09 I think when you look at accumulating 19:15 and saying, I want, I want, I want, 19:18 you change your perspective 19:19 when you see the things 19:21 that are happening around the world. 19:23 You know professionals, you know, you study hard, 19:27 I should be able to do 19:28 and by and do this, that and the other, 19:30 but your perspective changes 19:32 as you see things that are happening. 19:34 And so that's one of the discussions 19:35 we have had recently, you know? 19:38 Hmm. 19:40 Do we do this? 19:41 Or can we do this in a different way 19:44 and shuffle that money towards something for God? 19:50 You know, you just really change your perspective 19:52 and you try with prayer 19:54 to make decisions that honor the fact 19:58 that we are in the last days. 20:00 We're in the last days. 20:01 So that's something 20:03 that I think is channeling 20:05 how we look at things, you know? 20:07 Go ahead, Lisia. 20:08 I was gonna say for me recently 20:11 just to kind of get back into the workforce. 20:13 I obtained my real estate license. 20:17 And what I'm finding is that this is not about, 20:21 what I'm doing is not about real estate. 20:23 I've been witnessing a lot. 20:26 A lot of people want me to take them out on Sabbath 20:29 and I tell them no. 20:31 And recently I had the opportunity 20:34 of talking to a guy and his wife who are Muslim. 20:37 And we were in the last house. 20:39 I was showing them a home on a Sunday morning. 20:41 And the Holy Spirit said to me, explain to him 20:44 why you can't take him out on Sabbath. 20:47 And so I said, you know, so and so, 20:49 you've been asking me 20:51 to take you out on Sabbaths or on Saturdays. 20:54 And that's the Sabbath 20:55 from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown, 20:58 I don't do any work. 21:00 And so he says, "Are you a Jew?" 21:02 I said, "No, I'm not Jewish." 21:04 And so he says, "But you keep Sabbath?" 21:06 I said, "Yes." 21:07 He says, "Well, yes, God did tell us to keep the Sabbath." 21:09 And I thought that was surprising 21:11 because I know that 21:12 they keep Friday afternoons or evenings 21:14 Yes, Friday afternoon in Dubai, Friday afternoon. 21:16 Right. 21:18 So they know about the Sabbath. 21:20 So he says, "Well, do you believe in Jesus?" 21:22 And I said, "Yes." 21:24 And so we got into there's no one, but God, 21:26 there's no other God but God, and Jesus was a great prophet. 21:29 And I said, I said, 21:31 "You know, everyone believes what they believe, 21:33 but I just wanted to share with you 21:35 why I couldn't go with you on Sabbaths." 21:39 And I've had other opportunities 21:41 and other things that I'm trying to build 21:43 to explain to people 21:45 why I don't work 21:47 during the sunset Friday to sunset. 21:50 So it's been more of a witnessing tool, you know? 21:55 I am getting business and God is blessing, 21:58 but I'm finding that I'm witnessing more now 22:01 than I ever have. 22:03 And I'm more... 22:04 I feel more free and open to do so, 22:06 because I guess as an agent, it is your own thing. 22:12 But when you're working for a corporation, 22:16 they kind of frown on any religious activity, 22:20 but this is one-on-one 22:22 and they can choose to listen or not. 22:24 And everyone has been receptive. 22:26 It's like, they wanna know 22:27 what is this strange faith 22:29 where you believe in Jesus and you keep a Sabbath, right? 22:33 Yeah. 22:34 A lot of people don't know, and they don't know. 22:38 And they assume that they know, and they don't. 22:39 Right. 22:40 Because I go with my patients or clients, 22:43 Dr. Logan, can you see me on Saturday 22:44 and the Bible says good to do well on a Saturday, 22:46 there's emergency suicide. 22:48 But normally I need to be rebooted. 22:50 I have to be refreshed. 22:51 I need to hear a good word. 22:53 I need the Lisia sing, I need that. 22:56 But in that I recognize that 22:59 so many people are hungry for Jesus. 23:02 They are hungry for the Word of God. 23:04 Let's talk about and being a special treasure, 23:07 do you still, your me time together? 23:10 You know, are you still roller skating? 23:12 It's been awhile, but yes we do. 23:14 All right. But you still do. 23:16 All right. So what do you do, Roy? 23:19 And what do you do Lisia for your me time? 23:23 You mean individually? 23:24 Individually, your own personal space. 23:26 Yes, you appreciate yourself. 23:28 I like to work with my hands a lot. 23:29 Okay. 23:31 So when I can, I try to build something 23:33 or repair something or fix something, 23:34 I just enjoy that, you know? 23:36 Around the house? 23:37 Around the house or a computer, 23:38 I mean, I'm in the computer field. 23:40 And so I'll find an old computer 23:42 that needs fixing and I'll just fix it, 23:44 rebuild it or something like that. 23:45 Or if, you know, I grew up working on cars a lot. 23:48 If a friend needs help with a car, 23:49 I'll say I volunteer. 23:51 Hey, can I come help you with your car, you know? 23:52 All right. 23:54 Music. Music. 23:55 Yeah, that's true, music a lot. 23:56 Yeah, 'cause both of you, both sing, 23:58 you know, do you do duets together? 24:01 Funny you should ask. 24:02 I know, we're actually doing one this weekend. 24:05 Oh, at a church? 24:07 Okay. 24:08 At another not our home church, but another church in the area. 24:11 Oh, how lovely. How lovely. 24:13 So, and what do you do, Mrs. Sadler? 24:16 I like to get massages. Yes. 24:19 I try to get as many as those as possible. 24:22 So I'll go and I'll plan a facial 24:25 or I'll plan a massage. 24:27 Sometimes I have this infra red, 24:31 like it's a blanket 24:33 that I get into and I close it and turn it on. 24:36 And I just lay in there, get hot and purified, 24:41 get all the toxins and everything out. 24:42 So just, you know, anything that helps me to relax. 24:45 I like to read, I like music. 24:48 And then sometimes I just don't mind like a old, 24:51 I like old, black and white movies. 24:53 Yeah, those are romantic, very nice. 24:55 Yeah. So I love stuff like that. 24:57 You take walks together? Yeah. 24:58 A lot. A lot. We do that a lot. 25:00 Do you ever take walks in the rain? 25:03 I've tried to get her to do that a couple times 25:05 when the weather is just right for it, 25:06 because otherwise it can be challenging. 25:08 I've done that a couple times, 25:10 it's not like a normal thing. 25:12 Right. 25:13 'Cause I've seen couples, I've talked to couples 25:15 and I said, you walk in the grain. 25:16 And I said, that's interesting. 25:20 I don't even like being in the rain. 25:21 All right. 25:23 So cooking together in that kitchen together, 25:27 looking at your ministries in church. 25:30 Could anything ever pull you away from God, do you think? 25:36 Well, I think in the past, 25:38 you know, when you're less mature 25:39 in the Christian life, things can, 25:42 and I think each of us is in a different place, 25:46 you know, in our Christian walk. 25:48 So I'm hoping and praying that 25:52 nothing can take me away at this point 25:55 but I'm not gonna predict. 25:56 I just want to stay prayed up. 25:58 Yes. Lisia? 26:00 I can't imagine that. 26:02 It's hard for me to imagine a life without my faith, 26:08 without God. 26:09 It would seem very, very, very strange. 26:14 I know that when you're younger, 26:17 some of the things that you do as a Christian are habit. 26:20 If you choose to stay in the church, 26:21 because you're so used to doing the same thing, 26:24 but after awhile, 26:25 you need that in order to feel sane, 26:29 in order to feel whole. 26:31 And so I can't imagine ever leaving the church, 26:35 leaving God, leaving what I feel 26:38 and know to be true. 26:40 Yes. 26:41 Let me ask you this. 26:43 You know, we've about a minute left, 26:44 your favorite scripture, favorite scripture? 26:47 "They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength, 26:50 they shall mount up with wings as eagles, 26:53 they shall run and not be weary, 26:55 they shall walk and not faint." 26:56 Yes. I know it's in Isaiah, I cannot remember 58. 26:59 I can't remember the verse. 27:01 So don't look at me right now, 27:02 just got into the moment right now. 27:04 Yeah, that is my... 27:05 My dad taught me that text 27:07 and it had stayed with me. 27:08 Stayed with you. Roy, what is yours? 27:11 "Lean not unto thy own understanding, 27:13 but in all thy ways acknowledge Him 27:14 and He shall direct thy path." 27:16 That's a blessing. 27:17 That's one of my favorites, 27:19 but my favorite of all Hebrews 11:1, 27:21 "Faith is the substance of things 27:23 hoped for and the evidence of things not seen." 27:26 I just want to thank you both for coming on 27:28 and we're out of time 27:29 and continue to be a special treasure. 27:32 It's important that 27:34 we make Jesus our special treasure 27:36 and make sure that you have that walk, 27:38 without that we can't live to be well. 27:41 So I say to you, 27:42 I give you Christ as your special treasure. 27:44 I'm Dr. Kim and live to be well. 27:47 God bless. |
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