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00:01 The following program features real clients
00:03 discussing sensitive issues. 00:05 The views and opinions expressed in this program 00:07 don't necessarily reflect 00:09 that of 3ABN's Dare to Dream Network. 00:11 Viewer discretion is advised. 00:49 Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin, and welcome to Live To Be well. 00:54 What is live to be well? 00:55 Well, mind, body and soul, 00:57 but most of all, 00:59 having God as a center of our lives. 01:02 Today, I am blessed to have the topic 01:04 protect to serve. 01:06 And with me, Chaplain Arthur Berry, 01:08 who is a member of my church, 01:10 and also served as an elder in my church. 01:13 And then we have Errol Sir Franklin. 01:15 Welcome to Live To Be Well. How are you doing? 01:18 Wonderful. Great, how are you? 01:19 Well, listen, I am excited about this broadcast, 01:22 this program. 01:23 Now I'm going to start with you, Officer Franklin. 01:25 How long have you been an officer 01:27 of Detroit Police Department? 01:29 I've been a police officer for 21 years now. 01:32 And what was the deciding factor 01:33 for you to become a police officer? 01:35 The deciding factor for me to become police officer 01:38 was when I was younger, you know, 01:40 my parents or friends said don't become a police officer, 01:42 you might get shot and killed. 01:45 And so I was like, you know what? 01:46 I'm going to live my life. 01:47 I'm, you know, do what God said do. 01:49 So I ended up being a police officer at the age of 23. 01:53 And since then, yes. 01:55 So what are some of the challenges that you faced, 01:57 you know, dealing with the public, 01:59 you know, the community in court, 02:01 do you have to do all of that? 02:03 Yes. 02:04 Some of the challenges are growing up, 02:08 like I work in the neighborhood that I grew up in, 02:11 so I see some of the people that I grew up with, 02:14 and they still respect me and stuff. 02:16 So go back, For instance, one of the young men, 02:20 he was in my wedding and I go back on that block, 02:24 used to check upon him, you know, he was selling drugs. 02:27 So I know he was selling drugs. 02:28 So I tried to give him a heads up, 02:30 you know, man, don't be doing that, 02:32 you know, talking to him, you know, 02:34 trying to minister to him, but he wouldn't listen. 02:36 So one, one day he got shot in the head 02:41 and ended up living and he was blind in one eye. 02:46 So, you know, I still go back over there 02:47 and talking to him, you know, him and his mother 02:49 and stuff because they still stay over there. 02:52 So what ended up happening a year later, 02:56 you know, he was back to doing the same thing. 02:58 So got that phone call such and such been shot, 03:03 this time he didn't make it. 03:04 He didn't make it. He didn't make it. 03:06 So he went right back to the same lifestyle. 03:07 Same lifestyle. 03:09 And he didn't make it, and how old was he, 03:10 do you know how old he was? 03:11 He was at the time 26. 03:15 His early 20s? Yes. 03:17 So that is so unfortunate. 03:20 I hear you mentioning God and your faith 03:22 and your walk with God. 03:24 You know, how important is that to you 03:26 as you go out into the community? 03:28 It's very important because I'm dealing with 03:31 the community, you got to have patience 03:33 and that's one of the big, biggest aspects. 03:36 You know, this patience because sometimes 03:38 people get in your face, 03:39 you know, they try to curse you out 03:42 and sometimes you got to just stand back 03:44 and be patient, sometimes you got to just listen. 03:46 So can I give you a little role play here, 03:48 suppose you are trying to arrest me. 03:50 All right. And I'm like, you can't arrest me. 03:52 I haven't done anything. 03:54 Who do you think you are, 03:55 thinking you going to arrest me? 03:57 And you're not going to even think about arresting me, 03:58 you know, I have rights. 04:01 What do you do in a situation like that? 04:03 Just let them voice their pain. Really? 04:05 Let them see. 04:06 Yes At the end of the day though, 04:07 I make sure at the end of the day, 04:09 I make sure my camera's rolling. 04:10 Turn on my camera. 04:12 So if she does do anything disorderly, 04:13 as she start cursing me out, drawing a crowd, 04:17 inciting a riot, and then that would give me 04:19 probable cause to lock her up. 04:21 Wait a minute. You all wear cameras? 04:22 Yes. That's a camera. 04:23 Yes. 04:25 So how long have you been wearing cameras? 04:27 We been wearing body cameras for, 04:29 I want to say about four years now. 04:31 Now I heard about the highway patrols, 04:35 they have the cameras. 04:36 Yes. 04:38 But you have body cameras and then you push that button 04:40 and it goes right to the station 04:42 and is recording. 04:43 No, it just start recording in our body. 04:45 Okay. 04:46 Once the light is red, it'll just start recording. 04:48 And that's your proof that 04:49 you did not ignite that argument 04:51 or that problem? 04:53 Correct. And also to protect you? 04:54 Yes. My goodness. 04:56 Now I see you have pepper spray, 04:59 you have handcuffs, you have... 05:01 Tasers. Tasers. 05:03 And that taser will just knock me out. 05:06 Yes, it will. Oh, my goodness. 05:08 It's not a pleasant feeling. It's not. 05:10 And you know, when you go out, do you, 05:13 sometime you have to go when you get home, 05:14 go back out again on call, back on duty? 05:18 No, because what I do is community policing. 05:21 So maybe a lot of times 05:22 we might have events on a weekend. 05:25 So we might have to come in to cover events like 05:27 they having something big at a church or something 05:29 or a big block party, 05:31 we'll come and assist them. 05:33 You know what I've noticed? 05:35 I'm going to the grocery store now, Chaplain Berry, 05:38 I'm going to the grocery store now. 05:40 And there are police officers in the grocery store, 05:44 armed police officers at the front door. 05:47 And it's like, has it gotten that bad, 05:50 I know we have mass shootings. 05:52 We have issues. We have problems. 05:54 But to have now police officers in grocery stores 05:58 and they are watching, they're walking. 06:00 They might maybe some who are undercover, 06:03 but these gentlemen are dressed just like you. 06:05 And one day I looked, I said, 06:07 well maybe they're just there talking. 06:09 Came back a couple of weeks later, 06:11 No, they were there again fully armed everything, 06:15 not checking receipts either. 06:16 All right? 06:18 So that is something 06:19 that is now moving into all our stores? 06:21 Yes. I explained that what it is called secondary employment. 06:25 So what we have is some of our vendors 06:27 like Meyers or Chrysler, 06:29 they'll pay the police officers to stay there. 06:32 Like they pay our salary and they cover us. 06:35 Like if something happened to us, 06:37 they have to pay insurance on us also 06:39 just in case something happened while we there. 06:41 So versus security guards now they're doing, 06:43 using police officers. 06:45 Yes. 06:46 I see because security guards didn't wear carry arm. 06:48 They weren't armed. Correct. 06:50 But you all are armed. Yep. 06:51 It's a liability with having securities. 06:53 But if you have somebody in the law enforcement 06:55 that knows the law and know when to draw, 06:58 when to use deadly force, 06:59 then you don't have a liability. 07:01 So it's a win-win situation for the police officer 07:04 who making extra money 07:05 and the company knowing that it's the law. 07:10 So when you went through the police academy, 07:13 was it rigorous for you? 07:14 Was it hard? Did you ever feel like giving up? 07:17 And, I never felt like giving up 07:19 because it was something I always wanted to do. 07:21 When I got in there, just stay motivated by my peers 07:24 and stuff and just kept fighting through, 07:26 even though it was rough, 07:28 you know, I was like, no, 07:29 I want to become a police officer 07:30 what I want to do so, you know, 07:32 just stay in motivating, motivated. 07:34 So even, you know, like when we run, 07:36 we'll do like maybe two or three miles a day running. 07:39 So we have to call out cadence like spiritual. 07:42 That's even now. 07:44 Yeah, they still do that. Yes, yes. 07:46 So, you know, me being spiritual, 07:48 being a Godly man and you know, 07:50 us calling out spiritual cadence. 07:52 So, you know, the saying, 07:54 you know, live right, live right. 07:56 Be safe, be safe, you know, 07:57 and then they repeat whatever you say. 07:59 So let's put a godly atmosphere in there through the academy. 08:02 That is wonderful. 08:04 Well, all right, hold on a minute. 08:06 Chaplin Berry, 08:07 now I learned something about you today, 08:09 I didn't know you were a police officer, you know? 08:12 I'm police chaplain, yeah. 08:14 Yeah, police chaplain, 08:15 and you did a marvelous job in the Word of God. 08:19 You spoke not too long ago for police, 08:21 our police day at church. 08:23 Is that what we had when we had all the police officers? 08:25 Yeah, law enforcement appreciation. 08:26 Law enforcement appreciation. Yes. 08:28 It was a beautiful program. 08:31 And so then you came back 08:32 and talked about the prison program. 08:34 I want to do. I want to get involved with prison ministry. 08:37 Okay. I really do, you know? 08:39 Let's talk about what you do in your role 08:41 with these gentlemen? 08:42 Okay. Well, I'm a chaplain. 08:45 Actually I'm the commander of the police centers, 08:47 spiritual commander. 08:48 So I have six chaplains under me 08:51 that we take care of all the spiritual needs 08:52 of all the officers. 08:54 It's about 150 so officers there on all three shifts. 08:57 So we just attend to their needs and we, 09:00 I do roll call, whatever they need 09:02 from sometimes we marry them, sometimes we have to bury them. 09:06 So whatever we need to do, we do everything in between. 09:09 Wow. 09:10 Give me an example of a day, 09:12 you know, of your life there at the precinct? 09:14 Give me an example? 09:16 Well, it starts off at roll call, 09:18 You know, you get roll call, 09:19 you hear about what's going on for the day 09:21 and what happened the previous day. 09:23 And then we pray for the officers, 09:25 then we all go out. 09:26 Sometimes I go out, sometimes I don't, 09:28 I just come in and do roll call, 09:29 but then I walk around the precinct, 09:31 talk to the officers 09:32 and see what's going on with them. 09:33 If I notice somebody kind of standoffish a little bit, 09:36 I go over and talk to them and try to see 09:37 what's going on with them. 09:38 So when you say buried, do you also go 09:40 and minister to the family? 09:42 Yes. 09:43 You know, is that difficult for you? 09:44 It is. 09:46 Especially if you, and you know these officers 09:48 and there'll be, and they're killed 09:49 in the line of duty? 09:50 Well, not necessarily killed in the line of duty, 09:52 but some of them just pass on, 09:53 you know, for other illnesses and stuff like that. 09:55 Other illnesses too. 09:56 And so, and then when you minister to the family, 09:58 sometime, you know what the last officer 10:00 that ministered today, 10:01 the family asked me to do a service. 10:02 Wow. 10:04 So, you know, when I don't see you in church 10:06 is that you're busy ministering to these officers 10:09 or you're in other churches speaking, 10:11 I know, but you know, and I know I see you at church 10:14 often, and I know you've been praying for your mother also. 10:17 Yes, thank you. 10:19 So your role, why did you want to do this? 10:22 Why? Well, I... 10:24 It's ironic, it's strange because the precinct 10:27 that I'm now serving, 10:29 I was also locked up in that precinct 10:30 some years ago. 10:32 So, but as God called me to do ministry, 10:36 I was reluctant to do it. 10:38 But then after so many years I said yes to the Lord. 10:41 So I went to ministry school and then I asked God, 10:44 what did He want me to do? 10:45 And that was to be a public servant. 10:48 So I started doing ministry for the hospitals, 10:51 the nursing homes and stuff like that. 10:52 And then my dean asked me one day he said, 10:56 I looked at you, and I said, 10:58 I know what kind of personality you have. 11:00 This kind of ministry would be good for you. 11:02 So he asked me to sign up 11:04 for the Detroit Police Department and I did. 11:06 I went to the academy. Yeah. Okay. 11:07 You kind of ran over something real fast 11:09 and you minister to us about it on Sabbath. 11:12 Then you said the same precinct 11:13 where you are, you were locked up. 11:15 Can you tell us why? 11:16 Well, it's domestic violence you know, 11:19 going through some changes in life, 11:21 went through a divorce and so I had some issues 11:23 and trying to leave a divorce 11:25 and I was trying to leave that marriage 11:28 and I didn't do it successfully. 11:30 So I got into some trouble trying to leave 11:33 and I wind up getting locked up. 11:34 And then, so I was actually in the same precinct. 11:36 So I said, you know, I said, God must have a sense of humor. 11:40 So, but now I look at it in a different light. 11:44 I said, God has something for me to do. 11:46 But I thought if you have been arrested, 11:48 but you weren't a felon? 11:50 I wasn't a felon. 11:51 So you could apply to the academy? 11:53 Correct. Okay. 11:54 Now you mentioned something else in church 11:55 that we had the statistic rates of women now being arrested. 12:00 Can we talk a little bit about that? 12:02 Well, women are being charged with crimes more 12:05 so than in the past. 12:06 You know, we know that women are being called to do 12:10 with these men to do these armed robberies 12:13 and other similar crimes. 12:15 And they get locked up just like the men 12:16 do because they committed a crime, 12:19 not as much as the men, but they do have 12:21 a small increase in their numbers 12:24 of being incarcerated now. 12:26 Are they still building prisons, Officer Franklin. 12:30 I mean, we have an issue of population 12:33 being overcrowded? 12:35 No. 12:36 So what they did now, 12:37 all the precincts used to have jails. 12:39 Yes. 12:41 But they shut them all down and centralized them down 12:42 at the Detroit Detention Center. 12:44 Really? 12:45 So whenever we get arrest, we all have to take them 12:47 down to the Detroit Detention Center. 12:49 Is that right? Yes. 12:51 Okay. Now they're building a new jail downtown... 12:55 Yes. They're doing that. 12:57 You know, crime is still on the rise. 12:59 So what can you say to me as a woman, 13:03 I'm out and about at night, 13:05 I'm out and about during the day, 13:06 I go to church, I come to my office. 13:08 How can I protect myself better? 13:10 I say protect yourself better. 13:12 Be honest to make sure you always be alert. 13:16 Even when pumping gas, 13:18 you know, pump your gas like this to your back, 13:21 not in front where you're not alert where you can't see 13:24 nobody coming from behind you. 13:25 So if you're pumping your gas, just like this, 13:27 just to be, you know, 13:29 make sure nobody's trying to come up behind you. 13:31 Wait a minute. I'm confused. 13:32 So I'm standing in front of the pump. 13:34 My car is here, I'm pumping, 13:36 oh, but stand behind. 13:38 Yes. 13:39 Don't stand in front of it, stand behind the gas tank. 13:41 Yes. 13:43 So if somebody approaches me. 13:44 You'll be able to see him. 13:46 And I'm going to spray that gasoline on them. 13:48 All right? So, all right, so be alert. 13:51 Yes. The way I should pump my gas. 13:53 Yes. Of course during the day time. 13:55 Yes. During the daytime. 13:56 And I don't know if you noticed about the green light, 13:59 do you know about the green light program? 14:00 Yes. Do you know who told me about the green light? 14:02 Who? My daughter. 14:03 She said, mommy only go to gas stations 14:06 and stores with the green light. 14:07 And I said, well, what's that? 14:09 She said, that's linked into the police department. 14:11 Yes. I didn't know that. 14:13 Yes. I just thought it was cute. 14:14 And we monitor it 24 hours. Two four hours? 14:16 Yes. 14:17 And with us, with the neighborhood 14:19 police officers just say a run, come out Finkel 14:23 and Grand River gas station. 14:25 We've got a green light location. 14:26 It's like a high priority. 14:28 So they'll send a squad car out there immediately. 14:30 So on our phones, we could pull up the camera 14:33 and see what's actually going on in there. 14:34 Wow! Yes. 14:36 Well, I'm happy to hear that. 14:37 Now what about, you know, 14:39 places where I shouldn't go like gas stations, 14:42 they say like on Southfield and where's this, Southfield? 14:47 Seven mile. Seven mile. 14:49 Don't go places like off the freeway. 14:52 Yes. Why? 14:53 It's an easy getaway. 14:55 If somebody robbed you, they jump right on the freeway. 14:57 And they're gone. There you go. 14:59 So it's better to go to one on, in a community? 15:03 Yes. Like I said, the green lights. 15:05 The green light. Green light gas stations. 15:06 Well, there is a green light I saw one on Southfield 15:10 and Vinco or is it a Six Mile, they got a green light? 15:14 Yes. 15:16 But it's right there by the freeway. 15:17 I mean, the thing is, you know what the cameras and stuff, 15:21 we could get license plate, get their face. 15:24 So if something do happen, it's a high... 15:26 Priority. 15:27 Yes, a high priority, and we will be able to catch them. 15:29 All right. 15:31 What else do you recommend for me to protect myself 15:33 if I'm alone? 15:34 Have a CPL. I should get one. 15:37 Yes. Tell them what that is, a CPL? 15:38 A CPL is a pistol license 15:41 where you go take some classes 15:43 and they teach you how to use a weapon. 15:44 It's just in case somebody tried to rob you and... 15:48 But as Christians, should I carry a gun though? 15:52 Should I not have faith in God to protect me? 15:54 You know, I had that big argument before also. 15:57 I used to then believe that, 15:58 man, God going to protect me, 16:00 carrying guns in the church and stuff. 16:02 Is that a sin to carry a gun? 16:06 No, it's not. No. 16:08 No. well, that's your job though. 16:10 The criminals carry guns. 16:12 The Bible said use wisdom. 16:14 Use wisdom. Pray and watch His will. 16:17 So I don't know. 16:18 I can somebody coming at me, I'll just throw my purse, 16:22 take it and I'll run the other way. 16:24 I took a class like that. 16:25 We had a workshop at one of my Live To Be Well conference. 16:28 And we had a police officer to come in and to talk. 16:31 And he told us if they come at you going, 16:34 you're going in your trunk. 16:35 Your purse is in your trunk. 16:37 He said, throw the purse. 16:38 They're going to go after the purse. 16:40 And you go the other way, you know? 16:43 And I remember when I got attack once 16:45 and my little girl said to me, 16:47 mommy, don't get out of the car. 16:49 But they had on suits and ties. 16:50 They look nice and they almost beat me to a pulp. 16:54 And the only thing that saved me, 16:56 I took off my heel and I beat them so bad. 17:00 And the man said, she crazy take her purse. 17:03 And it was just, I saw my life 17:07 just flashed in front of me. 17:08 Yes. 17:09 And my mother had told me, 17:12 you know, to cut the bushes in front of the house. 17:15 This is before I moved into my home. 17:17 And I didn't listen. 17:19 And I almost died that night 17:23 and that was right after my brother had passed away. 17:26 And that was just a few months I was attacked 17:29 and I didn't listen, out of the mouth of babes. 17:32 So, but I don't feel comfortable carrying a gun. 17:35 I just don't feel comfortable. 17:37 Yeah. A lot of people don't. 17:38 And then the thing is, 17:39 you know, like you said, the guy came after you, 17:41 but now what they're doing, not only are they robbing you, 17:46 there's a lot of human trafficking. 17:47 A lot of women, 17:49 little girls are getting snatched up. 17:53 Women my age? Women your age. 17:56 Yup. Younger kids. 17:58 Yeah. A lot of it don't go on the news. 18:00 The human trafficking is big in Detroit. 18:02 I knew that, but you could just be somewhere 18:05 it's going to snatch it and then they are marketing 18:08 you somewhere else in another part of the country, you know? 18:11 Here, actually here, It's right here. 18:14 Yes. You're staying right here. 18:16 And they're using you here, drugged up 18:18 using you to do whatever. 18:20 And no one can find you. Yes, Chaplain Berry? 18:22 Also in Canada, because you have right there, 18:24 another country right across the water. 18:26 So they're trafficking back and forth over in Canada, 18:29 very easily. 18:30 How they going to get a human being over in Canada? 18:32 That's why I say stay away from vans. 18:34 They snatch you up in a van 18:35 and you can just cross the border easily. 18:38 So stay away from van. 18:39 So you see a van come up to you, run, move quickly. 18:44 Be cautious, just be aware. Yes. 18:47 Be aware. Okay. 18:49 Chaplain Berry, let's go back, 18:50 you know, you being Seventh-day Adventist, 18:53 you know, how did you become a Seventh-day Adventist? 18:56 Well, my mother was a Seventh-day Adventist, 18:57 but my grandmother started, she came from California 19:01 with the message with the Seventh-day Adventist 19:03 message and brought it to the family. 19:06 And then my brother and my mother 19:08 and my grandmother started going to City Temple. 19:10 And so, it kind of migrated into the family from there. 19:13 Do your officers know you're Seventh-day Adventists? 19:16 Yes. 19:17 You know, and are there any conflicts that you see being, 19:21 you know, as a Seventh-day Adventist 19:23 Christian police officer, chaplain? 19:25 No. 19:26 It's sort of like a doctor, you know, 19:28 you have to go in and save lives. 19:29 And so that's kind of how I look at it. 19:31 So when we get that call, we on 24 hour calls, 19:33 when we get that call, 19:35 especially no one want to get that call officer down, 19:37 but that's a mandate for everybody to go to that area, 19:41 go to the hospital. 19:42 But you know, we have to be, 19:44 somebody has to do the work. 19:45 So I think with what I'm doing now, 19:48 it's nondenominational. 19:50 So we doesn't look at denomination, 19:51 we just look at manpower, 19:52 who's available to do the job when it's needed. 19:55 So when you have someone call you and say, 19:57 we need you here, you know, 19:59 like recently I had to go to a suicide. 20:02 So when they call me, when they send that text 20:03 and says, I need you to go to this address, 20:05 a young man just committed suicide. 20:07 You have to go. 20:08 Do you have a high risk of suicide among police officers? 20:11 Very, yes. It is. 20:14 Wow. Okay. 20:16 See, I need to be sitting next to you in church. 20:18 Now I know all this. Okay. 20:20 You know, you sit a row in front of me 20:22 on the other end. 20:24 You always have, and I'm sitting behind you. 20:26 But now that I know, but do we have enough manpower? 20:29 I see the deacons at our door at church, 20:32 but is that enough to protect our whole church? 20:36 No, not really. 20:37 But you know, if something is better than nothing, 20:40 they need to be more out there 20:43 and they need to be more identifiable, 20:45 like wearing the gear or wearing security 20:48 vest or something to let people know that we do have security. 20:50 They're in plain clothes, they just walk around. 20:53 They just look like a regular parishioner. 20:55 Have you brought this to the attention of our church board? 20:58 You know, suggested this to our church? 21:00 Well, I have not, but they did talk about security, 21:02 but it's a conference issue too, 21:04 about different things that goes on with security. 21:07 So you have to make sure that you legal 21:09 and that is something that can go to the conference. 21:12 Well, okay, Officer Franklin, you're married? 21:13 Yes. 21:15 How do you balance all of this? 21:16 You know and keeping your wife calm 21:19 and you coming through that door, 21:21 you know, how do you do it? 21:23 Communicate, it's a partnership. 21:25 This you know, we have five kids, 21:27 me and my wife, we've been married 22 years. 21:32 Both of us saved. That's the main thing. 21:34 Congratulations, praise the Lord. 21:36 That's the main thing is having 21:37 a relationship with Christ, 21:39 like we got to make sacrifices. 21:41 Like I might work quite a bit, but she understand 21:44 why we've got five kids to take care of. 21:46 My wife, she's a stay at home mom. 21:48 Okay. 21:49 She has a master's degree in math education. 21:52 She used to be a math teacher. 21:54 But as we had our five children, 21:56 she saw that the children was being neglected. 21:58 So she was like, no, no. 21:59 Somebody needs to be home with these kids. 22:02 So she made the sacrifice giving up her career 22:05 and I work and do what I have to do 22:07 to support the family. 22:08 That's so beautiful. 22:10 I act as applaud you, 22:12 I always wanted to be a stay at home mom, 22:14 but it didn't work out. 22:15 Arthur told me, go to work. 22:17 You know, but we didn't have five children either. 22:19 All right, you know? 22:21 Officer Franklin, 22:23 what happens when your wife is at home 22:25 and the concerns that she may have, 22:28 that you are not responding to her phone calls 22:32 or meeting her, you know, 22:34 like he's supposed to been here five minutes ago, 22:36 but he wasn't. 22:37 Has that ever happened between you and your wife? 22:40 Yes, Actually July 2nd, 2004, 22:45 it was coming from the Taste Fest, 22:46 downtown Detroit. 22:48 So we get a call bar being held up. 22:52 So me and my partner, we respond. 22:54 two officers going to the building. 22:56 So soon as they go into the building, 22:59 young man starts shooting at us. 23:01 So all I hear is gunshots. 23:03 So I get shot in the leg, fall to the ground. 23:07 Two bullets literally flew past my ear. 23:10 So I went and reached for my gun. 23:12 As I reached for my gun, 23:14 another bullet hit me in my thumb 23:16 broke my tendon in my finger. 23:17 So I grabbed my gun, pointed it towards the guy, 23:20 fired two shots at him. 23:22 So after I fired two shots at the guy, 23:24 I ended up telling my partner. 23:27 I was like, officer got shot. We got to go. 23:29 So he jumped in the car, I jumped in the car. 23:32 So I started driving towards the hospital. 23:33 So he was like, I thought you said the officer got shot. 23:35 I was like, I did. I got shot, man. 23:37 So he thought I was playing. 23:38 So he sort of holding my leg and my thumb bleeding. 23:44 So he's like man, do you want me to drive? 23:46 So he only had like probably a year and a half on. 23:49 I was like, man, I'll drive 23:50 because I didn't want him to panic. 23:52 So drive to pull up to Detroit Receiving Hospital. 23:55 So as soon as I pull up to the hospital, 23:57 you know, the doctors run to a side, 23:59 come on, we got to get them out. 24:01 So I jump out the car like, no, I'm the one got shot. 24:04 So they ended up wheeling me in there 24:06 and set me down. 24:08 So everybody make the hospital, officer got shot. 24:14 So I was like, I'm just like, well, we got to make 24:16 contact with family member you want us to notify? 24:19 So I was like give them the address to my house. 24:22 So they make their way out to my house. 24:24 So I called my wife on the phone 24:27 and I told her what happened. 24:30 So I ended up being off of work for like six months, 24:33 had a bullet in my leg for about three months 24:36 because they couldn't move it. 24:38 And actually I still can't bend my thumb all the way 24:42 till this day from being shot in the thumb. 24:44 It was just an eye-opener. 24:46 Let's put it that way. 24:47 So that's why I said, it's good to know the Lord. 24:50 Is good to know the Lord. 24:51 Because at that time 24:54 three other officers got shot that year 24:57 and all three of them died. 24:59 And all three died? All three died. 25:00 Yup. 25:02 All I can say is live to be well. 25:04 Chaplin Berry, you worried about your officers, 25:06 aren't you? 25:07 Oh, yes. 25:08 I pray for them every day, not just the officers, 25:10 the first responders, 25:11 because it's more than just local police officers. 25:14 It's worldwide, you know? 25:16 What is your major concern, you know, for your officers? 25:19 What's your major concern? 25:21 Life, you know, safety, 25:23 you know, to be safety and to be aware 25:25 of their surroundings and always to watch their six, 25:27 watch their back and you know, like we told in roll call, 25:29 make sure that you take care of your partner 25:32 because there are normally its two individuals out there, 25:34 two or more, It depends on what assignment they have. 25:37 But sometimes you have officers out there by themselves 25:39 when they are at Adam car, that's a single car, 25:41 but you know, just to be cognizant 25:43 of their surroundings and not taking any chances, 25:47 that's the biggest thing, you know, 25:49 follow your first mile, let that instinct kick in, 25:51 you know, just be aware. 25:52 Be aware. 25:53 How do you find me time? 25:55 What do you do for me time? Officer Berry? 25:57 For me I go, I work out, 25:59 there's also a gym in the precinct. 26:01 So I just go to the gym and do stuff. 26:03 I'm a nature person. 26:04 So I go out for walks, 26:05 the bell out and stuff like that. 26:07 And just kind of, and you got to get into the Word. 26:08 So I read the Bible a lot and let God minister to me, 26:11 so I can be spiritually grounded. 26:13 So when I do get a call, 26:15 hopefully I never get a call but when I do get the call, 26:17 I'm spiritually ready for that. 26:21 Me time? Me time. 26:25 Play basketball, 26:27 spend time with the kids and wife 26:29 when I get a chance to. 26:30 Yes. Yeah. 26:32 So, praying, reading your Word, 26:36 communication. 26:38 Well, I've learned some things to keep myself safe. 26:42 How I'm going to pump my gas, 26:44 look out for vans because I never 26:46 thought about that. 26:47 I just didn't think about that. 26:49 And I think that God is protecting me. 26:50 I pray before I get in and out of my car, 26:53 but you know, I try to, I have a handicap license 26:57 and I park close to the stores going in and out, 27:00 but I'm going to be more aware 27:02 and I'm going to be and I, and Chaplain Berry, 27:05 I want to talk a little bit more about, 27:07 you know the impact of carrying a weapon. 27:11 And I have to maybe look at my life 27:14 and the protection of my life. 27:16 And so I want to be everything that God needs me to be. 27:22 I want to thank you both for coming on. 27:24 You shared a lot of information and my prayers are with you. 27:28 I thank God for you and you truly, 27:31 I applaud you because to protect and serve. 27:34 Because where would we be without you? 27:37 I want to thank you for viewing today on Live To Be Well, 27:39 because it's so important that we recognize 27:42 and that we appreciate. 27:43 If you see a police officer out and about, 27:46 go and shake their hand and say, thank you, 27:49 thank you for protecting me. 27:50 I'm going to treat Chaplain Berry differently 27:52 than and I'm nice to him anyway, right? 27:55 Yes, you are. 27:56 Just a different respect. 27:58 And I thank God that they both love God and serve God. 28:01 Remember, protect to serve and live to be well. 28:04 I'm Dr. Kim, God bless. 28:07 Thank you, officers. |
Revised 2021-08-30