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00:15 This is 3ABN Now
00:17 with John and Rosemary Malkiewycz. 00:21 Hi, and I'm so glad you've joined us today. 00:24 I'm really happy to invite you to sit down, 00:27 to relax, 00:29 to watch this program 00:30 because you're going to hear 00:31 some wonderful information today. 00:34 You certainly are. 00:35 And I'm looking forward to it. 00:36 It's going to be great 00:38 and you're going to learn things 00:40 that you most likely have never heard before. 00:43 Things that will stir your hearts 00:45 and increase your faith in God. 00:49 And our special guest is Dr. Arthur Chadwick 00:53 from Texas. 00:56 Welcome to the program. 00:57 Now let me, 00:58 I've got a little bit of a bio on you here. 01:02 Dr. Chadwick 01:03 is a Research Professor of Biology and Geology. 01:08 Currently the Director 01:09 of the Dinosaur Research Project. 01:13 Cofounder and current Director 01:15 of the Earth History Research Center, 01:19 and Director of the Dinosaur Science Museum 01:22 and Research Center 01:24 at Southwestern Adventist University in Kane, Texas. 01:28 That's a lot of stuff. 01:30 You're a director of three different things. 01:31 That means you are very busy. 01:33 I am very busy, yes. 01:35 But also you, 01:37 this gives us a little bit of an idea 01:38 of what the program is about today. 01:43 With a doctor of science, geology, biology, 01:47 you do paleontology. 01:49 So sit down and enjoy listening 01:53 to what we're going to learn 01:55 from Dr. Arthur today or Art, as we'll call you. 02:00 I'm just excited to hear what you're going to say. 02:03 But John has your Bible verse. 02:05 Yes, Art has chosen a text from the Bible, 02:07 it's found in 2 Peter 3:9. 02:11 And the Bible says, 02:12 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, 02:15 as some men count slackness, 02:17 but as long suffering to us 02:19 would not willing that any should perish, 02:21 but that all should come to repentance." 02:24 Haven't we got a wonderful God, 02:25 He doesn't want any of us to perish. 02:27 Tell me why have you chosen that, Art? 02:29 That to me is an amazing verse, 02:31 and especially in the context, 02:32 because this is the context of 2 Peter Chapter 3, 02:36 which is a chapter that describes 02:38 the rejection of God and rejecting His creation 02:42 and rejecting the global flood, the story in Genesis. 02:47 And then the question comes up, 02:49 why hasn't He come back yet? 02:51 And the answer is, 02:53 because He's waiting for the very people 02:54 that rejected Him 02:56 to turn their hearts over to Him. 02:58 And I'm so grateful for that. 03:00 I am. I am, too. 03:01 That's a God I can love and serve. 03:03 That's wonderful. 03:04 I just like the way you've put that. 03:07 It's very, very good. 03:08 He's waiting. 03:10 He's waiting with longing heart for people to accept 03:14 what He has done. 03:15 Isn't it amazing that today with all the proof 03:19 that we have of a global flood that it's rejected. 03:24 We live in a world 03:25 that rejects God for a lot of different reasons. 03:28 But that above all else, 03:29 I think, is a reason 03:31 for Satan's animosity against God 03:34 is Satan realizes that God is the Creator 03:37 of all that is and he is not. 03:40 And he would like to change that. 03:41 You know, it's just amazes me when I think about it, 03:44 that Satan is alive 03:47 because God is continuing to give him breathe. 03:49 Exactly. 03:51 God is continuing to give him life. 03:52 Yes. 03:54 Until this great controversy 03:56 that's going on between them is, is finally over. 03:59 And he doesn't seem to think much about that, 04:04 that he's only alive by the grace of God. 04:06 Yes. 04:08 And this seems to be forgotten. 04:10 Now, just give us a little bit of your background. 04:13 Where were you born? 04:15 Were you born in Adventist family? 04:18 What's it? 04:19 I was born in California, 04:21 in a family that was Episcopalian, 04:24 I was a member of the Episcopal Church 04:27 raised in, 04:29 and christened in that church 04:32 and then later on took my confirmation. 04:38 And when I was in high school, 04:40 I went to my priests 04:41 thinking that he would give me insights 04:45 about what I ought to do in college, 04:47 what kind of coursework I could take 04:48 that would allow me to be a minister 04:51 because that's what I wanted to do. 04:53 Okay. 04:54 And he was very non-committal. 04:57 He must not have enjoyed his job 04:59 or he didn't think I would make a good priest. 05:01 But in either case, 05:02 he didn't give me any encouragement at all. 05:06 And so I went to my guidance counselor 05:08 in high school 05:09 to see if I could learn something there 05:11 and she had been a missionary to Africa. 05:14 So she said, they don't need, they don't need missionaries, 05:18 they need doctors. 05:20 So that vectored me toward medicine. 05:23 And I went off to State University, 05:25 and was taking a course of science, 05:31 biology and chemistry and physics, 05:33 the things I needed for medical school, 05:36 and just loved it. 05:37 I was so happy there and did really well. 05:42 And early in my career there, 05:46 I met a young man from a Catholic background, 05:50 who was carrying on his, on his notebook, 05:53 a book called great controversy. 05:56 And I was a freshman, I was a know it all. 06:00 And I confused the author of that book, 06:03 Ellen White with Alfred North Whitehead. 06:06 And so I suggested I knew something about that 06:09 which I didn't. 06:11 But anyway, we got a conversation started. 06:13 And before very long, 06:15 he and I were studying the Bible together. 06:18 Ultimately, 06:19 he invited me to join him at a physician's house 06:23 where he was having Bible studies. 06:25 And suddenly, 06:27 I saw that everything in the Bible 06:29 and everything in the world made sense, 06:31 in this vision of a conflict 06:35 from the beginning in heaven 06:37 to the end of the Second Coming of Christ and beyond. 06:41 And all the things 06:42 that I had learned about the Bible 06:44 now had a context. 06:46 And so, it was a beautiful thing for me 06:49 to surrender my heart to the Lord 06:51 and to yield myself too 06:54 and understanding that went far beyond 06:56 just what I've learned so far. 06:58 It's like, someone said to us, one day, 07:00 all the fence posts were lining up. 07:02 Exactly. 07:04 I like the idea 07:06 that you made comment that you actually read the Bible, 07:09 studied the Bible, 07:11 and I'd encourage any of you our viewers 07:12 to have a look, 07:13 don't just pick out a piece here, 07:15 have a look at the overall picture 07:17 that the Bible reveals, 07:19 and what God wants for you and I, 07:21 and that's really, that changes your worldview. 07:24 But you know, 07:25 you've, you came from a Christian background, 07:28 you knew about God. 07:29 So what you were doing 07:31 your knowledge was increasing on that subject, 07:33 through studying the Word of God. 07:35 Yes, it was. And it's still increasing. 07:38 Never ends, does it? 07:40 Never ends. Never ends. 07:41 That's one of the things I find about the Bible, 07:43 it's just so deep. 07:44 That's right. 07:45 You know, you think you've learned 07:47 nearly everything there is to learn. 07:48 And then suddenly, 07:50 something completely left field turns out me and say, 07:52 I've never thought of that before. 07:54 Let me look more at that, you continue in, 07:57 continuingly finding new things to look at. 08:00 Yes. 08:02 Yeah, it's a wonderful book of history too. 08:03 It is. 08:04 Of mankind and where we come from 08:06 and where we're going. 08:07 But what I find exciting is the fact that 08:09 as we look at geology, 08:12 and look at the different aspects of creation, 08:16 we can see 08:18 that there's something underlying there 08:19 that makes a lot of sense, 08:21 but we have to be willing to accept that. 08:24 That's right. 08:25 And I just think 08:27 I was thinking this morning, though, 08:29 as I was reading, 08:30 wouldn't it be nice 08:32 if there were more chapters in the Bible. 08:35 But I have learned, 08:37 memorizing scripture is a great way to learn 08:41 the depths of what's in there 08:42 because the Holy Spirit can talk to you 08:44 while you're studying and make it come alive. 08:48 And one of the best ways to learn 08:50 this by putting it to music. 08:51 Yes. 08:52 That sticks it in your brain better. 08:54 It's like a glue, which is good. 08:56 So anyway, I went from there to finish my last two years, 09:01 I did two years at the State University, 09:03 and then I switched to La Sierra College. 09:07 And while I was there, 09:09 a professor got a hold of me and suggested that 09:13 I should do something worthwhile in my life. 09:16 He said all these other students 09:17 are going to do medicine, 09:19 why don't you go do some worthwhile with your life. 09:21 And so I, he encouraged me to look into the issues 09:26 of philosophy and origins and about creation. 09:29 So it was a very difficult decision to make, 09:32 because on the one hand, 09:34 I had been admitted to medical school 09:36 and I could have gone there, 09:38 in four years I would have been done. 09:40 And I was exchanging for that 09:43 the challenge of having to accomplish 09:46 something on my own, 09:48 where I was on the line, 09:50 and to produce something original. 09:53 And I finally accepted the challenge 09:55 and I went off to study cellular molecular biology 09:59 and I finished my PhD in cellular molecular biology. 10:04 And then I realized that 10:07 I didn't think I made a mistake, 10:08 but that I had missed out on something very important 10:11 because 10:12 cellular molecular biology is all about creation, 10:15 and I thought I would learn about evolution. 10:18 And so I then decided to go back and do geology. 10:23 So I went back 10:25 and finished up at University of California, 10:27 and have been doing geology and paleontology ever since. 10:32 I did a little course in geology 10:33 when I was training. 10:35 And I really was fascinated by the different formations 10:39 and how they all came about. 10:41 So it really does give you a better understanding 10:44 of what took place, 10:46 particularly after we look at it now 10:48 after the flood, 10:50 the things that are there they are evident for us to see. 10:52 And one of the interesting things 10:54 about with the work of geology 10:59 and creation and things 11:02 is that over at Katherine Hill Bay, 11:05 which was, 11:07 which is only what half an hour's drive 11:08 or so from here 11:10 is where they found that tree 11:12 standing upright in the coal seam. 11:16 And that is just, 11:18 that's not possible with evolution. 11:22 And it's just, 11:23 it's really good to know it was close by here, 11:25 that that was found that Robert Gentry talks about. 11:28 Yeah. 11:29 Excellent. 11:30 So where did you go from there? 11:32 I mean, you did geology? 11:34 I began, 11:36 I was teaching in the graduate school 11:37 at Loma Linda University. 11:40 And I began to do geology instead of molecular biology 11:45 over a period of a couple of years, 11:47 I kind of transitioned 11:48 and started taking on graduate students 11:50 in that area 11:52 and started doing my research 11:55 on geology and geological and paleontological things. 12:00 Ultimately, 12:01 I ended up at Southwestern Adventist University in Texas, 12:05 where I had a lot more freedom to, 12:08 to pursue these things, 12:10 and have been working on dinosaurs 12:15 and worked on other things, 12:17 fossil whales down in Peru and trees in Yellowstone 12:22 and fossil trees in Yellowstone and Grand Canyon. 12:26 So I've done a lot of really exciting things in my life. 12:29 Love to hear about something. 12:30 Yeah. 12:32 So what are you going to talk to us about today? 12:34 Well, I think I'm going to talk 12:36 a little about dinosaurs 12:38 just because that's very fresh on my palate, 12:40 I just came back from a month 12:42 directing this project with 125 or 130 people there. 12:47 And that was a huge challenge, just feeding that many people. 12:54 But we got about 2000 bones out of the ground this year. 12:57 And we now have to curate those 13:00 and prepare them for the collection. 13:04 So what do you do when you find bones? 13:07 Well, we have developed techniques 13:09 that nobody else was using, and in probably still is using, 13:15 by mapping our bones with high resolution GPS. 13:19 So we use survey grade GPS. 13:21 And when we find a bone in the ground, 13:23 we clear off the surface of the bone. 13:25 So you can see its size. 13:28 And then we bring in GPS equipment, 13:31 and we actually take points on the bone. 13:34 And then we have a map of it in the ground. 13:37 We take a picture of the bone 13:39 and then we can superimpose that picture on those points 13:41 and reconstruct all those bones 13:43 as they come out of the ground 13:44 so that we still have the original data 13:47 of where they were in the ground. 13:49 So you almost end up with a 3D picture. 13:51 Yeah, we can we can make 3D pictures of the bones. 13:53 That's amazing. Yeah. 13:55 Because then, 13:56 if there's anything in some kind of order, 13:59 you can sort of put it together when it's in a 3D picture. 14:02 Yeah, if there were ordered bones. 14:04 In our case, 14:06 most of these bones are disarticulated. 14:08 So they're not in order. 14:10 Occasionally, we do find some in order. 14:12 But we are able to talk about 14:16 what we have found 14:18 and look at it from all different directions 14:21 and reconstruct the information 14:24 that we have about how it happened. 14:26 And do you then from that point, 14:28 you can reconstruct, 14:29 put bones together even though they're scattered around. 14:33 We could do that. 14:34 That's not our goal. 14:36 Our goal, we're taphonomists, 14:37 and taphonomists are people 14:39 that try to understand everything 14:42 that happens to an organism 14:43 from the time it's alive and walking around 14:47 to what caused it to die. 14:49 And then what happened after it died? 14:51 Was it buried right away or did it, 14:54 did it sit out and decay for a while, 14:57 and so we're trying to figure out 14:59 how this huge deposit, 15:01 maybe as many as 10,000 or more animals, 15:04 each of them 30 or 40 feet long, 15:06 10, 15 meters long. 15:09 How all these animals got there? 15:12 So must be huge area? 15:13 That would be really interesting to determine that 15:14 because obviously, there's a large number together, 15:17 something must have caused that. 15:18 Sure. 15:20 And we're doing the equivalent of crime scene investigation, 15:23 people really like that. 15:24 And taphonomists actually are used 15:26 in crime scene investigation. 15:29 So we're doing the same kind of thing, 15:31 only with animals 15:32 that have been extinct for a long time. 15:34 And so what area is it, 15:37 this huge deposit 15:38 either how many miles or kilometers? 15:41 It's probably contained in the half a kilometer square. 15:45 So that's close to, it's close together. 15:47 There are actually is, a lot of it's been eroded away, 15:52 but the amount that's left 15:53 cover seems to cover about a half kilometer. 15:56 But the bones are very dense. 15:58 We have about 30 bones per square meter 16:01 as you dig down. 16:03 It almost sounds like a graveyard, doesn't it? 16:04 It does, 16:06 except that these bones are all disarticulated. 16:08 Yeah. 16:09 It means they're a graveyard 16:10 that resulted from transport from somewhere else. 16:12 Okay. 16:14 And we discovered this because of our use of GPS. 16:16 We could reconstruct the thickness of the bone bed 16:22 and we saw that all the big bones 16:23 were at the bottom. 16:25 So we realized that 16:26 we're dealing with a graded bed 16:28 and a graded bed normally graded bed 16:29 means little things at top and big things at the bottom. 16:33 So that means that the whole bed 16:35 had to be a catastrophic deposit in placement. 16:39 So they were, you think they were washed there? 16:43 I think the animals probably died, 16:45 they likely bloated and floated. 16:50 And then maybe like 16:52 they would act like sails in the wind 16:54 would wash them up on the shoreline, 16:56 they would sit there for a while and decay, 16:58 disarticulate, and then somehow catastrophic, 17:04 maybe an earthquake or something like that 17:06 tectonic activity caused that 17:08 massive bones to be transported 17:10 along with the sediment out into the deeper water. 17:15 It makes a lot of sense what you're saying. 17:17 I mean, you can imagine that in my mind. 17:20 So what area are we looking at that? 17:22 You know what, what part of the US this is in? 17:25 This is in Northeastern Wyoming, 17:28 out of Newcastle, 17:31 below Rapid City in South Dakota, 17:34 which is where Mount Rushmore is, 17:36 most people know what that is. 17:37 Yes. 17:38 And we're probably maybe about two hours, 17:42 two or three hours from Mount Rushmore. 17:45 And there are a lot of dinosaur deposits 17:47 in that area of the United States? 17:50 There are similar deposits of dinosaurs in many places, 17:55 both in United States and up into Canada 17:58 and South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming and in up into Canada. 18:05 But I think this one probably 18:07 has the distinction of being the largest, 18:09 at least the largest known deposit. 18:13 And what about the rest of the US, 18:15 is there very much deposit anywhere else? 18:17 In the southwestern, the southwestern states, 18:22 there are deposits 18:23 almost all of them even California, 18:27 Colorado, New Mexico, 18:30 and up into as I said, Montana, 18:33 about that, that's about as far west as, 18:36 far east as they go. 18:38 So on the east side, they don't seem to have them. 18:40 No. 18:41 Well, there are some on the East Coast. 18:43 But not many? You're near the coast. 18:44 Yeah. And they're much rare. 18:47 That's interesting. It is. 18:48 That they'd sort of been certain areas only 18:51 and not in other areas. 18:52 Yeah, the pattern is very important 18:54 in understanding what happened. 18:55 Because what we know as a lay person, 18:58 what you generally think is that, you know, 19:01 that they'd be pretty evenly distributed 19:03 if these animals were living all over a particular area 19:08 then they would just be dying here 19:10 and dying there and dying somewhere else. 19:12 And so their bones would just be found anyway, 19:19 but not in certain areas only. 19:21 Right. 19:22 But there's something unique about these deposits. 19:25 This is not life is as normal. 19:28 This is something that is a singularity, 19:31 it's something that happened one time 19:34 that caused all these dinosaurs to be killed and buried. 19:38 And it seems that the idea we have of a global catastrophe 19:45 has been something like a wearing blender 19:47 where you put everything in, 19:49 stir it up and then pour it out. 19:51 It's very different than that, things are ordered, 19:54 they are related somehow 19:56 the way the animals lived before the flood 19:58 but they didn't live there 20:01 but they were brought into there from somewhere else. 20:04 Washed in. 20:05 These are all questions 20:07 that we're still trying to puzzle out. 20:08 Yeah. 20:10 So they're the same sort of things 20:11 happening in other countries, 20:13 different locations on the earth 20:15 where there's, these big deposits... 20:17 Even in Australia, they have. 20:18 That's right. That's right. 20:20 There are dinosaurs on every continent. 20:23 And it's, I'd love to go work on some of these other ones, 20:28 it's be exciting to change 20:29 to compare them with what you have. 20:31 I know they got them up. 20:32 But they, are they all the same type? 20:34 You know, they must be different families? 20:36 Or, are they different around the different continents? 20:38 They tend to be the same at the same horizon. 20:42 So you have certain kind of dinosaurs 20:45 in the Triassic 20:46 and certain kinds in the Jurassic, 20:48 and certain kinds in the Cretaceous, 20:50 in these three layers that contain the dinosaurs. 20:55 And so in Cretaceous deposits 20:58 elsewhere, you may find similar dinosaurs, 21:00 oftentimes, they're different in some respects. 21:04 I have a question about, 21:05 you know, the bones that they find. 21:09 I hear that sometimes 21:11 I only find a few bones 21:12 and they seem to be able to reconstruct 21:14 a whole dinosaur. 21:15 Is that what happens? 21:17 And how do they know 21:18 what it actually would have looked like, 21:19 what his skin would have been like, 21:21 whether or not it had those, you know? 21:24 I'm looking on your tie by the way, 21:26 there's some pictures there. 21:27 There's dinosaurs all over it. 21:29 Yeah, I like that one with the, these things on the back. 21:33 So I think, how do they know from some bones, 21:37 how can they reconstruct the whole animal? 21:39 That's a question a lot of people wonder. 21:42 The questions I get, are dinosaurs real? 21:44 And believe it or not, 21:46 there are a lot of people that don't think they are. 21:49 Yes, they're real. 21:50 We have 30,000 dinosaur bones in our collection. 21:55 And then another question is, 21:56 how do they know what they look like? 21:57 And the easiest answer is that 22:02 we compare dinosaurs to other animals we know about, 22:06 we know what bone it is in that animal, 22:08 we try to reconstruct it. 22:10 But on top of that, 22:11 we find intact skeletons of dinosaurs. 22:14 And some dinosaurs, even that are called mummies. 22:17 They're intact with their skins still on, 22:22 their intestinal contents preserved. 22:25 These are pretty rare, 22:26 but we do find them occasionally, 22:28 and when we do, 22:29 they turn out to match 22:30 what we thought the dinosaur looked like. 22:32 I don't suppose I've ever found a T-Rex, 22:35 that's been entire. 22:37 Well, Sue is the one that that is the closest to that, 22:40 that's the one that's at the Chicago Field Museum, 22:44 that there was so much controversy 22:45 over a few years back. 22:47 And she was, I think, 93% intact. 22:51 And if you see how she lay in the ground, 22:53 most of it were still all together, 22:55 the head was pushed back up on top, 22:58 but it was mostly intact. 23:01 So how would you end up 23:04 with a dinosaur from so long ago, 23:10 that still has flesh on it? 23:12 Well, it is a really flesh it's, 23:15 it's mostly impressions of the animal like, 23:18 the skin that we find 23:20 is an impression of the skin in the sediments, 23:22 the skin is mostly gone. 23:25 But interestingly, 23:27 we are increasingly finding examples of preserved tissues 23:32 and preserved blood vessels 23:36 and proteins and other things inside these bones. 23:40 So people are digesting the dinosaur bones in a solvent 23:46 that will remove the bone material 23:48 and leave the soft material behind. 23:51 When they do this, they find surprisingly, 23:54 blood vessels that look like 23:55 they still have blood cells in them and so on, 23:57 which is virtually impossible 24:00 over a period of millions of years. 24:02 And this is one of the strong arguments we have today 24:05 for the fact that the geologic references 24:10 with radiometric dating must not, 24:12 they must mean something else besides time. 24:15 They aren't giving us an accurate picture of time 24:18 because these bones could not last 24:21 for 65 million years with tissue still inside. 24:26 It's even to the point 24:27 we did a section of a nanotyrannus bone, 24:31 a very rare dinosaur bone. 24:33 And when we did the section of the bone 24:37 and we looked at it, edit under microscope, 24:39 you can see every cell, 24:40 every osteocyte inside the bone was still there. 24:44 You can see where the, where the cells existed. 24:47 It's amazing. 24:48 And there are just are a lot of things 24:49 that to me say 24:51 that this timeframe is not, 24:55 does not mean millions of years, 24:57 it means something else. 24:59 Just going back to the fact 25:01 that you say that they have found bodies. 25:05 No, well, the impression of the skin 25:10 and everything still in the stone, 25:15 in the rocks that I presume 25:17 has been preserving the skeleton. 25:24 But how could that still be there 25:28 if it happened over a long period of time 25:30 that this animal slowly decayed and everything? 25:34 Wouldn't indicate that it was, it was death was, 25:38 soon after it died, 25:40 it was covered over very quickly 25:43 and fossilized very quickly. 25:46 Absolutely. 25:48 And that's one of the arguments that's used to, 25:51 to suggest the fossil record 25:52 does not represent real radiometric time. 25:57 And that there's some other meaning 25:59 to those isotope ratios. 26:02 So we have rapid burial. 26:06 And if you have rapid burial, 26:07 you have rapid accumulation of sediments. 26:09 And if you have rapid accumulation of sediments, 26:12 then you can't put millions of years in there, 26:15 there just is no place to put it. 26:17 And Dr. Brand and I have done studies 26:20 over the last 20 years, 26:22 looking through centimeter by centimeter, 26:25 looking through the sediments 26:26 to see if there's evidence for geologic time there. 26:30 And what we find is that, in the vast majority of cases, 26:35 it looks like the sediments were deposited quickly 26:38 and then immediately covered by more sediments. 26:42 Because one of the things that happens 26:44 if you leave a sedimentary layer exposed, 26:47 you're going to get organisms burrowing into it. 26:50 If it's underwater in the marine environment, 26:52 in an hour, we know that in the modern environment, 26:56 you can get complete disruption of the internal structure. 27:00 So if you're looking at this as being deposited slowly, 27:05 there should be no internal structure 27:07 and sedimentologists 27:09 should not have any, any way to make a living, 27:12 because there should be nothing to see. 27:14 So every time you look at an outcrop 27:16 and you can see the layering in there, 27:18 you know that that was deposited quickly 27:20 and buried quickly 27:21 because of the disruptive interface. 27:25 If it hadn't happened slowly over time, 27:28 or would have washed in, 27:30 and taken away 27:32 some of the other layer, wouldn't it? 27:34 Sure. 27:35 And if you had, if it's above ground, 27:38 then you have erosive activity. 27:40 But you also have burrowing animals, 27:42 you have grass and roots and things like that, 27:44 they would, that would upset the sediments. 27:48 If it's under underwater in the marine environment, 27:51 you should get more sediment on top. 27:54 And if you don't, 27:56 then you ought to have burrowing going on. 27:57 We know in the modern environment in a year's time, 28:01 you get total disruption of the internal structure. 28:04 And when we look at the sediments, 28:07 thousands of meters of sediment, 28:09 centimeter by centimeter 28:11 looking for this evidence of time, we don't see it. 28:14 It's like you're looking like for the rings in tree? 28:17 Yeah. 28:18 Yeah, we want to see, 28:19 we want to see some place 28:21 where there's burrows of animals that have, 28:25 that indicate enough time for them to do their work. 28:29 And when you do find it, 28:30 you almost have to make a pilgrimage to see it. 28:33 There are places in the world 28:34 where there is a complete disruption of the sediment. 28:38 And one of the main authorities on burrowing 28:43 made this statement, 28:44 he said if you, 28:46 the normal course is to see 100% disruption of sediments, 28:50 anything other than that demands an explanation. 28:54 So there's a lot of explaining that has to be done by somebody 28:57 as to why these sediments are buried 29:00 with the internal structure still there. 29:02 So if you go down to the cliffs here, 29:04 where those trees are, you look at those sediments, 29:07 you're gonna see all the internal structure 29:08 that was ever there. 29:10 That's right. 29:11 And when it goes to the animals, 29:14 that whether it's dinosaurs or anything else when they die, 29:17 if they're not covered over immediately, 29:19 scavengers are going to come and eat them, 29:22 and there would be no flesh. 29:24 That's right. 29:25 There would be no meat left on them. 29:28 The bones may even be chewed. 29:30 But we actually in the case of the dinosaurs, 29:32 we actually think that they were, 29:34 they did sit around for a while long enough to rot 29:37 and during that time, 29:38 there still were other dinosaurs around 29:40 that scavenged on those carcasses 29:43 because we find the teeth of scavengers 29:46 associated with these bones. 29:48 But once that had happened, 29:49 those bones were taken out 29:51 and buried very quickly 29:52 because they look like fresh bones 29:56 the surfaces are not weather check. 29:58 They didn't sit around for a long time, 30:00 they got buried quickly. 30:02 But so that would have happened in a short period of time too 30:05 for there to be enough of those carcasses 30:09 to be washed then into a one, into one place 30:12 otherwise over time 30:14 there would be buried and more would die. 30:17 And then they would be buried 30:19 after they'd been scavenged 30:20 and things that you said, 30:22 and they wouldn't be all washed down into one. 30:24 Yes. 30:25 It's clear that 30:27 there was a catastrophic destruction of animals, 30:29 that many thousands of these huge animals, 30:33 they're the size of elephants, something like that. 30:38 Many of them, 30:39 thousands were killed about the same time. 30:43 And these then accumulated somewhere 30:46 where they could be remobilized 30:48 and deposited out into deeper water. 30:51 Is that why you say there's only in certain areas 30:54 that you find them? 30:55 Probably, yeah, 30:57 probably because they were accumulated 30:59 and my guess is they bloated and floated 31:02 and then the wind blew them up on the shoreline somewhere. 31:04 Yeah. 31:06 And then they, 31:07 they rotted for a while 31:09 and then that mass of fatted flesh 31:13 and bones was transported out and buried. 31:15 So after doing all this research, 31:17 all the studies you've done, 31:19 what is it bought up in your mind 31:21 about the evidence, 31:23 now we're talking about evidence. 31:24 It's there, 31:26 it's scientifically available for people to see. 31:29 What has excited you in the discovery of all this? 31:32 What do you can, what's your conclusion 31:34 that you're finding from 31:36 all these dinosaur bones that you're finding? 31:39 Well, it's amazing to me 31:41 that we were able to fit this 31:43 into the context of a global flood. 31:46 Okay. 31:47 And it doesn't prove that there was a flood, 31:50 but it does, 31:52 it is consistent with that 31:53 whereas before the scientists were talking about these bones 31:57 accumulating over thousands of years 31:59 as animals cross the river 32:01 and got swept downstream and buried. 32:05 And so we've changed the perspective on that. 32:08 And other people saw 32:12 what we had written 32:13 that we had described this as a graded bed, 32:16 they began to look at their deposits, 32:17 and they discovered they had graded beds also. 32:20 So it now looks like, 32:23 of all the dinosaur sites in North America 32:27 or the major sites around the world. 32:29 All of the ones that have dinosaurs in them 32:33 are now described as catastrophic deposits. 32:35 Okay. 32:36 So it's unique to me 32:38 that we have all these deposits being described as catastrophes 32:43 happening catastrophically 32:46 and there isn't any, 32:48 any place for a long period of time in there. 32:50 That's important 32:52 when we're looking at the context 32:54 of what the Bible says, isn't it? 32:55 Because we're talking now, 32:57 what, 4000 years ago, 32:59 roughly that all this took place? 33:01 Yes. 33:03 So what you're saying 33:04 the evidence you're finding 33:06 is really confirming that, isn't it? 33:08 It's consistent with it. 33:09 Yes. Yes. Okay. 33:11 That's a good way of putting it. 33:12 It's interesting in science, 33:14 you don't ever want to use the word proof 33:15 because science doesn't prove things. 33:18 It only develops arguments in one way or another. 33:22 And ultimately, it is always a progress report. 33:26 So you never want to say, well, I finished that project. 33:29 It's all done, 33:30 we now know the truth 33:32 because you continue to study, 33:35 you're going to find out more information 33:37 and it may change your perspective. 33:40 It reminds me a little bit of defected. 33:42 We always heard in the past 33:44 that was the theory of evolution. 33:47 But nowadays, 33:49 it's just evolution as though it is proven fact 33:53 and not just a theory. 33:55 If you can't, 34:00 you can't approach evolution 34:02 as you would any other scientific theory, 34:04 because evolution is a philosophy based position 34:09 on origins. 34:10 It's philosophical. 34:11 The arguments that are used are philosophical. 34:14 And the terminology that's used is philosophical. 34:18 So when you say something as a fact, 34:20 when it's a philosophical position, 34:24 that's not very meaningful. 34:25 It's not very scientific? 34:27 No, it's not very scientific. 34:30 Because philosophy is not really to do with science. 34:33 It's to do with a belief system, isn't it? 34:35 Well, it is. 34:37 And certainly, philosophy undergirds science. 34:39 You always have to have some philosophical position 34:43 in order to test something. 34:45 But being open minded 34:47 is a very virtuous position in science 34:50 and there's way too little of it today. 34:53 So how many different types of dinosaurs 34:56 have you personally been involved in? 35:01 Most of the dinosaurs we have are the duck billed dinosaur 35:04 or Edmontosaurus, but we also have Triceratops. 35:08 They are the others with the... 35:10 Yeah, the three horns, Tackicephalusaurus. 35:13 That's the thick-headed dinosaurs. 35:15 We have the raptors, the dromesores. 35:19 We have other plant eating dinosaurs 35:23 like theslasoraus which the sheep size dinosaur. 35:27 And we also have T-Rex, Tyrannosaurus Rex, 35:30 the king dinosaur. 35:33 That'd be fascinating. 35:36 Yeah, they are monsters. 35:38 Do you notice how all these names 35:40 just roll off his tongue? 35:42 Yes. 35:44 Kids know probably just better about you. 35:45 Oh, absolutely. Oh, yeah. 35:47 Better. And I don't. 35:48 I kind of see in the last, 35:49 I don't know 10, 20 years 35:51 dinosaurs have become the thing with kids, 35:54 you know, everywhere you go, 35:55 you know, the dinosaur park and there's a big dinosaur. 35:59 And I kind of wonder what's, you know, what promoted that, 36:02 you know? 36:04 Because it is very interesting, 36:06 but we don't have any around now at the moment. 36:09 So, question is, 36:11 I think that's on everyone's mind. 36:12 Why isn't there any now? 36:15 There is a culture surrounding dinosaurs. 36:18 And this is evidenced in the books, 36:22 most people write books for children on dinosaurs, 36:25 even the professional dinosaur. 36:27 People write books that they can sell to children 36:30 because that's the market. 36:32 But yeah, it's, it's... 36:36 I kind of think of, you know, 36:38 this in the theory of evolution, 36:40 they talk about survival of the fittest, 36:42 the species continue. 36:44 Well, these were obviously huge animals, 36:47 you know, and you'd think, they would be kings, 36:50 if you could put it that way of the world, 36:52 and they would be surviving. 36:54 So you know, there's questions about that. 36:58 But I'd like to think 37:00 that what we've learned from the Bible 37:04 God says it's catastrophic event 37:06 ended their existence, basically. 37:08 Yeah, I think they died out at the flood. 37:10 And I think the reason for that was, 37:13 God wanted to preserve man on the earth 37:15 and with Tyrannosaurus Rex running around 37:20 that might not have been possible. 37:21 I think if man was bigger than he is today, before the flood, 37:27 he could have handled T-Rex with no problem 37:29 but as our lifespans and our physical size 37:35 shrank down to its current proportions, 37:38 something like T-Rex 37:39 could definitely have an impact on our survival. 37:42 Well, the classic is a lion, isn't it? 37:45 We can't handle a lion 37:46 but if we were three times our height and size, 37:49 we wouldn't have a problem at handling a lion. 37:51 Exactly. Yeah. 37:53 And then that makes me wonder, too. 37:56 We always say the T-Rex with these huge teeth 38:00 and a really bad attitude 38:02 chasing people to grab them and eat them. 38:05 And how did they know that? 38:09 They don't. 38:10 They do the best. I mean... 38:12 Is it just a good salesman, salesman pitch? 38:15 Yeah, they're not being dishonest, 38:17 they're doing the best they can, 38:18 but they don't know. 38:20 So it makes a whole lot better story 38:22 if it's something dramatic and exciting 38:25 that's going to capture kids' imagination. 38:26 This huge thing that's gonna eat you. 38:28 Exactly. 38:30 And there is a lot of politics in this too. 38:35 There are arguments among paleontologists, 38:37 when one suggests they were scavengers, 38:40 then the other one gets mad and says, no, 38:42 they weren't scavengers, they were predators, 38:45 because that makes them more vicious and... 38:48 More interesting. 38:50 Others were vegetarians. Exactly. 38:52 They're not as interesting 38:54 as something that's going to ride around in the forest 38:57 and try to devour human beings. 38:59 Yes. 39:01 Yes, little human beings would not have a chance. 39:03 But we know dinosaurs existed. 39:06 You're finding the evidence from them 39:08 in your studies and research. 39:12 What does that make you think of it 39:15 and now we talked about a catastrophic event, 39:17 but what else does it bring into your mind 39:19 about the disappearance of these species? 39:24 Well, I think, 39:26 I think it's evidence 39:27 that something happened on a global scale. 39:29 And even in paleontology, 39:31 when they try to figure out how the dinosaurs died out. 39:34 They had to have a catastrophe of massive proportions. 39:38 To kill them? 39:39 The most popular theory is that an asteroid impacted the earth 39:43 and generated a huge wave 39:46 that tsunami they went over the earth 39:48 and destroyed a lot of animals. 39:50 And that's an interesting theory. 39:52 It's... 39:53 I haven't heard that, 39:55 it's the first time I'm hearing it. 39:56 That's the type of flood. 39:57 Yeah, there was a kind of flood, yes. 40:00 But the idea is that this happened 40:02 the certain time in Earth's history 40:05 and everything else is just normal. 40:07 And then this impact took place, 40:09 it killed all the dinosaurs, 40:10 all the ammonites in the ocean. 40:13 But it didn't affect all the other things very much. 40:16 So it's a little bit of a... 40:19 Far-fetched. 40:20 Far-fetched, but it's a very popular theory. 40:24 I don't want to take it on him. 40:26 Yeah. Yeah. 40:28 Because also dinosaurs are cold blooded. 40:34 That's what they say, is it? 40:35 We don't really know. 40:36 That's one of the questions 40:38 that's the scientists try to figure out. 40:40 They look at their bone structure, 40:42 and they compare with, say, a crocodile. 40:45 And they compare it with a mammal. 40:47 And it's kind of somewhere in between 40:49 and other things like that don't really give us insights. 40:53 And some paleontologists call them warm blooded 40:56 and some say they're cold blooded. 40:58 So it's not anything you can, 41:01 you can nail down so they could have, 41:04 could have been either one. 41:06 Because they certainly had a huge skin surface. 41:08 They did. 41:10 Gigantic animals. 41:11 Especially the big ones. 41:13 Yeah. What? 41:14 Tell us what is the most exciting discovery 41:17 that you've made or time that you've had 41:20 in your work with dinosaurs? 41:25 You've got a story there? 41:26 Well, we... 41:28 One of the things we found 41:29 was the very second nanotyrannus 41:32 that was ever found. 41:34 It was, it's a species of dinosaur 41:36 that's very much like T-Rex except a smaller model, 41:40 and has quite a few differences from T-Rex. 41:44 And this brought up a very interesting question, 41:47 because there are a number of Tyrannosaurus Rexes 41:52 that have been located. 41:54 They're all adults. 41:55 So the question is where all the juvenile T-Rexes. 41:59 And one group 42:00 even tried to make this nanotyrannus a juvenile T-Rex. 42:04 And so that's a very, very popular ideas that 42:08 that nanotyrannus is just a juvenile T-Rex 42:11 because there have to be some juveniles, 42:13 you can't have all adults. 42:14 You would think that, wouldn't you? 42:15 It's true, they can't just be born that big. 42:17 Yeah. 42:18 But that's not, 42:20 that's not a good reason to make him a different taxon. 42:23 But he is unique. 42:25 And there are no juvenile nanotyrannus either 42:28 so that just have to step that back. 42:32 Are they any juvenile anything? 42:34 Yeah, there are, there are juvenile hadrosaurs, 42:38 the duck billed dinosaurs,6 42:39 there are some deposits up in Alaska and one in, 42:45 one in Russia that are mostly juveniles, 42:49 and ours are all adults. 42:52 So somehow they were separated out 42:54 maybe behaviorally 42:56 or maybe set them etiologically, 43:00 but they ended up in different places. 43:02 Do you think the juveniles may have been hatched 43:05 in a cold climate, 43:06 and then gone to a warmer climate 43:08 when they got bigger? 43:10 I don't really think 43:11 that it was cold in Alaska at that time, 43:14 I think, I think before the flood, 43:16 it was probably pretty equitable climate. 43:19 And so I wouldn't, 43:22 I wouldn't say that was the basis of it. 43:25 But people might assert that, yeah. 43:27 So have you been able to determine the age of, 43:31 you know, how old they were, 43:33 you know, by looking at those remains 43:36 of the actual species of a dinosaur? 43:39 Or do we not know, 43:41 how long did they live in other words? 43:42 Yeah. 43:43 The bone structure of dinosaurs 43:46 is very much like crocodiles and alligators, 43:49 and that they lay down a annual ring in the bone. 43:53 So you can actually count these rings 43:55 if you have a fortunate section. 43:58 And you can determine their age, 44:00 for example, our nanotyrannus was seven or eight years old. 44:06 Typically, animals grow up in a year or less to adulthood, 44:11 and even animals that takes two or three years. 44:15 It's very different from humans. 44:17 We have probably the longest gestation, 44:20 the longest, 44:21 well, not the longest, 44:22 but we have, we have a long developmental period, 44:27 which I think God ordained 44:28 so that we could become acquainted with our children. 44:32 Now we had, we had a... That's a good point, actually. 44:34 I head to Newfoundland once and at one stage, 44:37 he was growing an inch a week 44:38 and we were measuring him up the wall. 44:39 Wow. 44:41 And then he went to half an inch a week, 44:43 you know. 44:44 And slowed down, yet within 12 months, 44:46 there are big dog from this puppy. 44:49 So they don't take a long time to actually get to mature. 44:53 Maybe God allowed it for humans 44:54 so that they could learn. 44:56 Yeah. 44:57 There's a lot of information to be ingested in growing up. 45:01 The animal has to survive from the time, 45:04 very quickly after it's born to be on its own. 45:07 I don't know of any animal 45:08 that is helpless as a human baby. 45:11 No. 45:12 It's a gift God has given to mothers. 45:15 You look at those baby flamingos, 45:17 they have to walk a long distance 45:19 just when they're only a day or two old, some of them. 45:23 Or giraffe. 45:25 I like to think about that 45:26 I saw giraffe born once 45:28 fell about three feet in the ground. 45:30 That's awakening in his bed... 45:33 Adult coming into the world. 45:34 Yeah, adult coming into the world. 45:36 And within minutes, 45:37 they're up walking around and can you imagine 45:40 if a human baby was walking around. 45:44 No, I don't think so. 45:46 Well, I think if it had to drop onto the ground like that, 45:48 for a start, 45:49 it would probably hit its head on the ground first 45:51 and knock itself out. 45:52 Yeah, exactly. 45:54 I think, I think too, 45:55 when God made the animals as instinct for survival, 45:58 but the human being was a process. 46:01 And you know, we have to learn and I think too, 46:05 when we think about the subject we're talking about now, 46:08 we have the ability 46:10 to go and research and find out, 46:11 you know, any other species that can do that? 46:13 No, absolutely none. 46:14 So it's quite amazing, 46:16 really what God has given us the ability to do. 46:19 And we're then given this to make it even more clearer. 46:21 Absolutely. 46:23 So it's pretty exciting what... 46:25 God said He made us in His image, 46:27 that means we can research, we can go and check things out, 46:31 we can create. 46:32 Well, both Dr. Brand and I 46:34 have spent our whole careers doing research. 46:38 And it is exciting. 46:40 I mean, we fly in helicopters 46:42 across the deserts in the southwest, 46:44 and map layers and just the adventures 46:49 that we've had in our lives, just doing our job. 46:52 And my daughter likes to say 46:53 that I've never had a job in my life. 46:57 I've never worked a day in my life, 46:58 because I enjoy doing what I do so much. 47:01 Oh, but you do lecture, so that's enough for you. 47:03 That's, yeah. 47:04 When you pass on the information 47:06 someone has to go out there and see what happens. 47:09 And then you come and share it. 47:11 And I'm glad that you're here to do that, 47:13 actually because, 47:14 you know, it just reaffirms in my mind 47:16 that what the Bible has said, 47:18 you're seeing the evidence of that 47:20 wherever you go in your work. 47:22 So that must be exciting in a sense too 47:24 because you're a Christian scientist. 47:27 Absolutely. 47:29 And it's that biblical model 47:31 that stands out in my experience, 47:35 that directs my thinking 47:36 and directs my activities as well. 47:40 If when I became a member of, 47:44 when I became a Seventh-day Adventist Christian I, 47:47 I did so because we believed in the Bible story of origins. 47:54 And if this, 47:57 if people in this church were to discount that I, 48:01 I'd leave because... You'd walk out. 48:02 I'd walk out because that is, to me, that is truth. 48:07 That's what the Bible is about. 48:08 Yeah, exactly. It's the basis of the Bible. 48:11 It's what the Bible starts 48:12 with the story in the very beginning. 48:14 And it's fundamental to everything that follows. 48:17 And if the Creator, 48:18 the one that we talk about in the Bible says it, 48:21 then who are we to question that? 48:23 Because the evidence is abundant 48:25 if we want to find out for ourselves. 48:27 The question is, 48:28 and it's got basically us in somewhere in the Bible, 48:31 I don't have the text. But were you there? 48:34 I think he was asking Joe, 48:35 were you there when I laid the foundation of the earth. 48:38 Well, you there, did you see it happen? 48:40 Yeah. Did you know I was doing it? 48:42 Tell me what happened. 48:44 You know, you explained to me what I did. 48:46 And, of course, 48:47 none of us were there to tell God. 48:49 But God tells us. 48:51 That's right. 48:52 And He shows us in the geological layers 48:55 and the fossils and all. 48:58 Yeah, I can visualize going to God in judgment. 49:00 And God says, 49:02 why didn't you accept my story of creation? 49:06 And you say, well, it was radiometric dating, 49:09 or it was this or that? 49:10 And God said, look, I knew you couldn't figure that out. 49:13 Maybe you pull back the curtain 49:14 and show you what you misunderstood, 49:16 but are you gonna argue with God? 49:20 I mean, He says, 49:22 I knew you couldn't figure it out 49:24 so I told you what I did. 49:25 I showed you, I left evidence. 49:27 I showed you, yeah. 49:28 So that you wouldn't make any mistake. 49:29 Yeah. He gave us His word. 49:32 But then He gave us in the earth as well. 49:34 Exactly. Proof of it. 49:36 And so who are we to call into question 49:39 what God says, 49:41 I think that it will be a matter of, 49:43 I told you, I showed you. 49:44 Yes. 49:46 Why are you saying you didn't realize? 49:49 But that's what we do. 49:51 I was thinking about this little dinosaur 49:52 that you said you found a nano... 49:55 Nanotyrannus 49:56 Nanotyrannus. 49:58 You said you found the second one 49:59 that had ever been found. 50:01 Yes. 50:02 Why didn't you found the first one? 50:05 It was just a skull. 50:06 And it had been found many years earlier. 50:09 And in fact, 50:10 it just recently had been named. 50:13 So yeah, we were... 50:16 You found more than a skull. 50:17 We found parts of the body and parts of the skull, yeah. 50:21 We're still excavating it slowly. 50:23 So you found, you found the second one, 50:25 but you found more. 50:27 Yeah. 50:28 It's a pity, you didn't find the first. 50:29 So when you find a big species, 50:34 it must take a lot of time to excavate it. 50:37 Man, it's so big, you know. 50:39 How many are on the team that, you know, work with you? 50:42 Well, we have, 50:43 our typical turnout 50:47 for the summer is 120, 130 people. 50:51 Wow. 50:52 And we have 22 quarries. 50:55 So we have a lot of different places 50:56 where we're excavating 50:58 on 8000 acre cattle ranch in Wyoming. 51:02 And we have excavated so far about 30,000 bones. 51:07 And we're still going, we got 2000 bones this summer. 51:10 How hard is the material that's embedded around them? 51:13 Is it... 51:15 We're very fortunate. 51:16 It's soft. 51:17 It's like mud stone. 51:19 It's, if it gets wet, it turns into mud. 51:22 Okay. You can't dig. 51:25 Yeah, that would be a bit difficult, mud sticks. 51:28 It does. 51:29 It would be a mess. 51:31 So you're ruining somebody's ranch. 51:32 Well, we try to leave in this respectfully as we can. 51:37 I just think of mining companies. 51:39 No, this is, 51:41 these are very small areas 51:42 and we do seek to reconstruct it as we go. 51:45 So you know, 51:46 how do you get on one of those I'll use the word digs. 51:50 Is our public able to join you or is it just people who... 51:54 Students send. 51:55 Yeah, any, anyone 51:56 who wants to join us may do so. 51:58 It's, there's a website, it's dinosaurproject@swau.edu. 52:05 Okay. 52:06 Dinosaurproject@swau.edu. 52:11 Swau stands for Southwestern Adventist University. 52:15 Yeah, that's right. 52:16 And what we're going to do right now 52:18 is have the 3ABN address roll. 52:21 If you want to find out 52:23 more about what we're talking about, 52:25 please contact us if you want to donate, 52:27 to help us to make more of these interesting programs. 52:30 We invite you to do that as well. 52:32 But let us know how you're going. 52:34 We'd love to hear from our viewers. 52:35 So here are our contact details. 52:41 If you would like to contact 3ABN Australia, 52:44 you may do so in the following ways. 52:46 You may write to 3ABN Australia, PO Box 752, 52:50 Morisset, New South Wales 2264, Australia. 52:54 That's PO Box 752, Morisset, 52:58 New South Wales 2264, Australia. 53:01 Or you may call 02-4973-3456. 53:06 That's 02-4973-3456 53:10 from 8:30 am to 5 pm Monday to Thursday, 53:14 or 8:30 am to 12 pm Fridays, New South Wales time. 53:19 You may also email us at mail@3abnaustralia.org.au 53:24 That's mail@3abnaustralia.org.au. 53:32 Thank you for all you do to help us light the world 53:34 with the glory of God's truth. 53:39 I'm sure you've got those details, 53:42 but we're going to add something else up there. 53:44 Dr. Arthur Chadwick is very happy for you 53:46 to email him if you have any questions. 53:49 And if he's able to answer them, 53:50 I'm sure he will. 53:52 And we've also got that other detail of the address, 53:54 here it is. 53:56 It's chadwick@swau.edu 54:01 chadwick@swau.edu. 54:07 So feel free... And the dinosaur project. 54:09 And the dinosaur project, here it is here. 54:12 You can see there, dinosaurproject, all one word, 54:16 . swau.edu. 54:19 So that's how you can find out 54:21 if you're keen. 54:22 And I'm sure that 54:24 some of you may think I'd like to do some of this. 54:26 Oh, that's interesting, because he's from Kane, Texas. 54:31 Yeah. 54:32 So in our last closing moments, 54:37 I'm sure that you would want to share something with us 54:39 that you would convey to our viewers in relation 54:43 to where you've come from being a Christian, 54:46 following God and seeing the evidence, 54:48 what would you say to our viewers? 54:51 I feel that my life I can be happy, 54:55 I can be joyful 54:57 because I know that my Savior is alive and He will save me. 55:03 And He will save you 55:05 if you put yourself in His care. 55:07 And all the work that I do, 55:10 all the exciting research that I do is done to His glory. 55:16 So I hope that 55:18 you will consider following His lead. 55:22 So how did you get to do this? 55:24 You're on, 55:25 I know you're traveling all around the world. 55:26 You've got a wife? Yes. 55:28 How many children? Two children. 55:29 Yeah. Do you see them often? 55:31 Or you, is your work taking you all over the place 55:34 and you're not home with your family very often. 55:36 Yeah, unfortunately, 55:38 I haven't seen my wife for a couple of months now. 55:41 And it's sad, but she's living with her grandkids. 55:44 So she's, she's got lots of things. 55:45 She's having fun. She's having fun too. 55:48 But I just, 55:49 it is a challenge to meet the time constraints. 55:53 But it is also exciting 55:55 to be doing something like this, 55:58 which is showing God's handiwork, 56:02 showing the Bible and teaching young people 56:06 this same sort of thing that you've been discovering. 56:09 It must be rewarding. 56:10 Yeah, absolutely. 56:12 And the people that come out to this dig, 56:13 we have people from all over the world. 56:15 We had the scientists from Romania, 56:19 and one from Italy and one from Africa, 56:23 one from Argentina, 56:26 one from Peru, one from Puerto Rico, 56:29 one from, from... 56:31 So they're coming from everywhere. 56:33 Yeah, from Philippines. 56:35 This, this, just this last year alone, 56:37 we had people from all over the world 56:38 that joined us. 56:40 Yeah, that is fantastic. 56:42 And I just like to say to any young people, 56:44 if you are wondering 56:45 what God might want you to do in your life, 56:48 maybe He wants you to follow on something like this 56:52 that Dr. Chadwick is doing. 56:56 Learning more about God and more things to prove 56:59 that the Bible is true. 57:01 I'm happy to have anyone replace me. 57:05 I want to encourage people 57:06 to follow where the Lord leads. 57:08 Yeah, that's great. 57:10 Because our young people need to know 57:13 that there's work they can do for God in science. 57:17 And you have found that. 57:18 Yes, absolutely. 57:20 Yeah, that's wonderful. 57:21 And so we really appreciate 57:23 the fact that you've been on the program with us. 57:25 Yes. 57:26 I've learned quite a bit on this program, 57:28 finding out about the dinosaurs and things 57:32 and I'm sure that you have too. 57:34 May God bless you 57:36 and continue to keep you 57:37 and stay faithful to Him and His Word 57:40 until we see you next time. 57:41 God bless. |
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