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Program Code: NOW019037S
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00:15 This is 3ABN Now... 00:17 with John and Rosemary Malkiewycz. 00:20 Rosemary: Hello, and welcome to today's Program, 00:23 I'm really excited about what we're going to talk about today. 00:26 John: It is a special Program isn't it? 00:28 Rosemary: It is... we have a testimony for you today 00:30 which I know you're going to enjoy 00:33 and if you are wondering what to do about your health, 00:36 you will enjoy today's Program too. 00:39 We have a young person... 00:40 someone that we used to know in Bangkok 00:44 when she was 14 years old 00:45 and she has breezed into our lives again 00:50 and it's been such a joy 00:51 and we have Kathlyn Wolpin... welcome Kathlyn. 00:55 Kathlyn: Thank you so much, 00:56 it's so good to see you guys after all these years. 00:58 Rosemary: Yes, and it's really good to have you here... 01:00 you have a testimony that I... 01:04 I know people are going to enjoy hearing 01:06 and people are going to get a lot of information out of it 01:08 especially young people who may even be going through struggles 01:13 but parents will appreciate it as well. 01:16 John: Kathlyn's special too because... 01:18 you know, in fact, most... 01:20 a lot of people go out into the mission field 01:22 and they live their lives there... 01:25 the families have children... 01:26 parents have children and... and they live their life there 01:29 we often wonder, "How do the kids take all of this 01:32 and what impact does it make in their lives?" 01:34 And Kathlyn is a missionary kid and... 01:38 and so, you've spent most of your life in the mission field, 01:41 would that be right? 01:42 Kathlyn: Absolutely, so six years 01:44 my parents were missionaries in Hong Kong 01:45 at Hong Kong Adventist Hospital 01:47 and then 17 years at Mission Hospital 01:49 which is where we met your family 01:51 in Bangkok... in Bangkok, Thailand 01:53 yeah, so, definitely I'm a third-culture kid... 01:55 I lived in Thailand with my parents for five years 01:58 and then I went to boarding school in the States 02:00 and finished Academy and college 02:03 at Seventh-day Adventist Institutions 02:05 so, I definitely feel like for most of my life, 02:08 I was in an... in a Seventh-day Adventist bubble... 02:11 learned the health message and then kind of thought 02:15 that the whole world was given this gift too... 02:17 left... totally kind of turned my back on the faith... 02:21 turned my back on the health message... 02:22 went into the world and realized 02:24 that we have something very special 02:26 and that health is the greatest wealth that any of us can have 02:29 so, it's kind of my mission now is to share that. 02:31 Rosemary: And dad was right all along. 02:33 Kathlyn: Yes, my dad who was into health 02:35 ever since I was young... 02:37 he started juicing carrots and apples 02:39 when it wasn't cool to do so... 02:41 like now, Hollywood's doing it... 02:42 everyone is doing it... it's like the cool... 02:43 like athletes are doing it. 02:45 Rosemary: Dad is cool. 02:46 Kathlyn: My dad's so cool but when we were younger, 02:47 I thought he was trying to ruin our lives, 02:49 because he started taking different things out of the home 02:52 when... 02:53 John: You said that quick, Kathlyn, 02:54 you said, "tried to ruin your lives" 02:56 and that's how young people perceive things... 02:58 you know, really, mom and dad only have one goal in their life 03:01 is to see you succeed and be healthy and well. 03:04 Kathlyn: Yeah, yeah yeah. 03:06 John: So, you know, but we... we kind of think 03:07 that chocolates and all those other things... 03:08 "Hey, we're missing out on those... " 03:10 Kathlyn: Yeah. 03:11 Rosemary: Let's... let's find out 03:12 what the chocolates are in the Bible. 03:14 John: Yeah, you've chosen a text... 03:15 Rosemary: You've got two texts... 03:17 John: Two texts... and one is found in Jeremiah chapter 30 03:20 and verse 17 and it goes like this, 03:22 it says, "For I will restore health unto thee, 03:26 and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD... " 03:29 now, you obviously chose that for a specific reason, 03:32 tell us a little bit about how it applies to you. 03:35 Kathlyn: Well, for the past couple of years, 03:37 I've been struggling with digestive issues 03:40 after I had Adult Acne 03:41 which we'll get into a little bit later 03:42 and then, I was put on antibiotics for a year 03:44 and I had got Candida and a plethora of other issues 03:47 and so, I went on a path of healing 03:50 and there is this whole health movement 03:53 that is trying to take Jesus out 03:55 and I started to realize that Jesus is the health message 03:57 and so, I started to find different verses in the Bible 04:00 and kind of insert my name... and that verse... 04:03 the reason why I chose it is because 04:04 I would dwell on that when I was in pain 04:07 or trying to figure out what was wrong with me... 04:10 I would just... I would put my name there. 04:11 John: I like that where you would put your name 04:14 and it says, "For Kathlyn will restore health... 04:17 Rosemary: "I will restore health unto Kathlyn. " 04:19 John: "And I will heal thee of thy wounds. " 04:21 Kathleen: Yeah. John: So, it really is... 04:23 you need to put your name in there sometimes. 04:25 Kathlyn: Yeah... yeah. 04:26 Rosemary: Well, then, I've got another verse 04:28 and it's Psalm 13 verse 6, I'll read it two ways... 04:32 okay, first of all, how it says here, 04:34 "I will sing unto the Lord, 04:36 because He hath dealt bountifully with me. " 04:39 But then, "Kathleen will sing unto the Lord, 04:42 because He hath dealt bountifully with her. " 04:47 Kathlyn: Yeah, I just feel like that verse 04:51 is my gratitude to God 04:53 because in my mid-20s, I kind of was... like... 04:57 "Oh, God, why this have to happen?" 04:58 and "Why couldn't I've gone to... " 05:00 "Why couldn't my life been this way or that way?" 05:02 and "Why did these health issues have to happen to me?" 05:04 And then, I realized how good He was to me 05:06 and how... how blessed I was 05:08 to have been born in the family I was born in 05:11 and raised in the faith I was raised in. 05:13 So, it's kind of my song of gratitude. 05:15 Rosemary: Yeah, that's... that's beautiful. 05:17 You know, when we... we went to Bangkok in 2001 05:21 and your family was there, what was your dad doing? 05:25 My dad was the VP for Finance, at Mission Hospital... 05:29 and yeah... my family... 05:31 John: What about your mom... what was she doing? 05:33 Kathlyn: My mom... she did... 05:34 she was the Hostess for the hospital 05:36 for all the guest rooms and... 05:37 of course, you know, every Sabbath she was the main cook 05:41 for all the potlucks... 05:42 so, my mom is Filipino and surprise, surprise... 05:45 Filipinos love to eat and love food 05:48 and love to cook... Rosemary: And they love Karaoke. 05:50 Kathlyn: And they love Karaoke yes... 05:52 my mom and I just flew here to Australia... 05:53 it was my first time and went for a wedding in Tasmania... 05:56 believe it or not... our friend from church 05:57 at Mission Hospital in Thailand... 05:59 just got married in Tasmania... 06:01 you guys know Leanne... she married a Tasmanian man 06:03 and so we... we went to her wedding in Tasmania 06:05 and you'd better believe our Karaoke machine came with us. 06:08 All: Laughter... 06:09 Kathlyn: Yes... my mom was like... 06:11 we were like, "Passport" check... 06:12 "Karaoke machine" check... 06:14 Rosemary: Your tickets... check. 06:15 Kathlyn: Yeah, for me it was also, like, 06:16 "digestive enzymes... " check 06:18 like, all of my... like, health stuff 06:20 but for my mom, it was the Karaoke... yeah. 06:21 All: Laughter. 06:23 John: So, where were you born? 06:24 Kathlyn: I was born in the Philippines... 06:25 Manila, Philippines... I never lived there 06:27 my parents were actually living in Saudi Arabia at the time 06:30 and they were working at... 06:31 Rosemary: And that's where they met. 06:33 Kathlyn: They met... yeah... and they were working 06:34 at King Fahad Hospital and when I was... 06:37 when I was about to be born, 06:38 my mom and dad went to the Philippines... 06:40 so, I was there for about a month 06:41 but I have a... I'm US Citizen... so... 06:42 I... I don't have that... 06:44 Rosemary: And so, did they go back to the Philippines then 06:47 or is that when you went to Hong Kong? 06:48 Kathlyn: Then they went back to Saudi Arabia 06:50 and then, I think they went to Florida for a year 06:55 and then went to Hong Kong for six years. 06:57 Rosemary: Hmmm... hmmm... John: Hmmm... 06:59 Rosemary: And then to Bangkok? 07:00 Kathlyn: And then, to Washington State 07:02 which is kind of our home base in America 07:05 and that's where my dad's relatives live 07:08 and then... and then to Thailand, yeah. 07:09 Rosemary: And your mom... 07:11 we were talking about your mom and dad just before 07:12 and what they were doing, 07:14 your mom was also the Dean of the Nursing Students. 07:16 Kathlyn: Oh that's... yes... true... 07:17 my mom wore a lot of hats... 07:19 yeah... sorry mom... 07:20 Rosemary: I had to take over for her 07:23 when she went away for a bit. 07:24 Kathlyn: Oh... okay... okay, so that's how you remember, yeah, 07:26 I do remember that... for the nursing students, 07:28 hmmm... hmmm. 07:29 Rosemary: Yes, inspecting their rooms every day 07:31 and making sure they kept everything clean and tidy 07:33 et cetera, et cetera, 07:34 I had to go and do that inspection. 07:36 Kathlyn: Yes, and you kind of had to be the bad cop 07:38 sometimes, right? 07:39 Rosemary: Yes. Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm... 07:41 John: So, when you were 14, you left your mom and dad's shelter 07:45 is that right? 07:47 Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm... 07:48 John: And where did you go? 07:49 Kathlyn: I went to the States and I finished... 07:51 I did my first year of High School 07:52 at Bangkok Adventist Church School 07:54 and then, there were a number grades left to continue 07:57 which was actually a blessing. 07:58 John: So, you had... most missionary kids have to leave 08:00 and go somewhere to get their education, don't they? 08:03 Kathlyn: Exactly and so, I ended up going to this Camp 08:05 called: Young Disciple Camp 08:07 and it was... when we were young my dad always ordered us 08:09 those: Young Disciple... 08:11 Rosemary: Yes, we had them too that was very good. 08:13 Kathlyn: And you could have like, Pen Pals, 08:14 you know in the back, like, you meet friends, and so, 08:17 that's probably why I still write letters to this day, 08:19 literally, my friends are like, "You're the only person 08:20 who still write letters... " 08:22 like, I love writing letters... that's probably why... 08:24 Young Disciple... I went to YD Camp 08:27 and then, I was 14... 08:28 and I already knew that I was looking for a school 08:30 and... anyway, I ended up graduating 08:32 from Fountainview Academy 08:33 which is in British Columbia, Canada... very beautiful 08:36 John: So you were singing and playing instruments? 08:39 Rosemary: They are the ones who do the videos... music. 08:42 Kathlyn: Yeah, yeah, if you just go on YouTube, 08:44 you'll find tons of their... 08:45 Rosemary: They've been on 3ABN. Kathlyn: Yes, of course. 08:47 John: So, were you singing or were you playing instruments? 08:49 Did you learn to play an instrument? 08:51 Kathlyn: Due to my father's influence, 08:52 I picked up the violin and I hate telling people that 08:56 because I don't play anymore 08:58 but I heard that the orchestra... that they travelled 09:01 so, I wanted to travel... so, I... you know... 09:04 but I loved Fountainview, 09:06 they have a large organic carrot field 09:09 which is really funny with the background that I come from 09:11 because my dad was making carrot juice and apple juice 09:14 and then, all of a sudden, I go to a High School 09:16 where they have organic carrots 09:18 and it's like the largest organic field, I think, 09:21 in British Columbia. 09:22 John: Did he make you drink the carrot juice and... 09:24 and the rest when you were with him or...? 09:26 Kathlyn: Well, when we were younger, he just said, 09:27 "This is good for you... " and you know what? 09:29 and deep down inside I knew it was too 09:30 and when we were young, 09:32 we weren't allowed to drink caffeinated soda pops and stuff 09:35 and we would sneak it behind my dad's back 09:37 because all our friends were doing it, 09:38 we thought it was cool 09:40 and so, I remember drinking Coca Cola and Pepsi 09:42 but deep down inside, like, I knew 09:44 that the carrot and apple juice was good for me 09:46 so, it's not like he had to force us 09:48 but we would just like, roll our eyes and then drink it 09:50 but then we go to Fountainview 09:52 and I'm literally... we had to work four hours a day 09:53 to help pay our school bills. 09:55 John: Now you're growing the carrots. 09:56 Kathlyn: Yeah, now I'm like, spending hours 09:58 weeding the carrot fields 09:59 and like... like sorting carrots and... 10:01 Rosemary: Really getting to hate carrots 10:02 because you have to weed. 10:03 Kathlyn: But, you know, some of my best years of my life 10:06 were at Fountainview 10:07 and we, like I said, we had to work four hours a day 10:09 all the students so, you got to know your peers 10:11 not just in the school setting but in a work setting 10:14 and yeah... for Christmas, I would go home to Thailand 10:17 and I would bring a bag of organic carrots 10:19 from Canada to Thailand... 10:21 John: For your dad. Kathlyn: For Christmas... 10:22 like, the best Christmas gift ever... like... why not? 10:26 Rosemary: I... I... in your little bio you sent me 10:29 I remember there was a story about pizza. 10:31 Kathlyn: Oh, yes. 10:34 Rosemary: Yes, just tell everybody about pizza. 10:36 Kathlyn: So, we'd have friends over and we'd order pizza. 10:38 Rosemary: This is in Bangkok? 10:39 Kathlyn: This is when we were in Hong Kong... 10:41 my dad started us early with the health stuff 10:43 and all of a sudden one night he ordered pizza with no cheese 10:46 and we all just looked at him like, 10:48 "You are officially ruining our lives... " 10:50 like, "No one's ever going to come to our parties anymore... " 10:52 but he was like, "Oh no... " 10:54 he's like, "I've been reading on it... 10:55 up on it... and cheese is causing acne, it's causing... " 10:58 Rosemary: Heart disease. 11:00 Kathlyn: Yeah, all these kinds of health issues 11:02 and as a young person, you don't really understand 11:04 and so... yeah. 11:06 John: Well, you don't want to do really 11:07 because sometimes you're going to spoil what you're doing. 11:09 Kathlyn: And you know, back then there weren't as many 11:10 cheese alternatives and now, 11:12 because I had acne and I struggled with Adult Acne 11:15 in order to heal that... I had to stop eating cheese 11:18 and I've found so many wonderful health alternatives... 11:22 there's cashew cheese... there's nutritional yeast... 11:25 you can do a carrot... like a carrot... 11:28 like nutritional yeast flax-seed-oil cheese... 11:31 I mean, but I love nutritional yeast... 11:33 that's you know, and... Rosemary: Yeah. 11:34 Kathlyn: There's just so many different... 11:35 John: Things. Kathlyn: Yeah... yeah... 11:37 Rosemary: Yeah, I'm... I like the cheese story 11:39 because I didn't have a trouble... 11:41 any trouble at all giving up cheese. 11:42 Kathlyn: Okay. 11:44 Rosemary: And I enjoy pizza without cheese. 11:45 Kathlyn: Yeah... yeah. 11:47 Rosemary: It's... it's perfectly good. 11:49 Kathlyn: Yeah and you just put on a ton of veggies 11:51 and... I mean... yeah... 11:53 cheese is causing a lot of problems and... 11:55 Rosemary: So, your dad is trying to get the family... 11:58 well, actually, let me... let me tell everybody 12:01 Kathlyn's dad... Bruce... he's six foot four 12:05 Kathlyn: Six foot six. 12:06 Rosemary: Six foot six... I thought he was six foot four, 12:08 Six foot six... he's taller than I remember. 12:10 He was actually a Jew who converted to Christianity 12:15 and Seventh-day Adventist beliefs. 12:18 Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm... yes. 12:20 Rosemary: And so, he's learning the health message. 12:21 Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm... 12:23 Rosemary: And he's trying to get your family 12:25 to do all the right things 12:27 but you're not appreciating it as a young person. 12:30 Kathlyn: No... yeah... well. 12:31 Rosemary: And with your friends, you're doing all the things 12:33 your dad doesn't know that you're doing. 12:35 Kathlyn: Yeah, well, you know Bangkok... Thailand... 12:37 grew up in the city 12:40 and there's all that street food... 12:42 all that meat-street food and... 12:44 and... you know, he used to talk about MSG 12:46 and I didn't understand it then 12:47 but I became addicted to street food 12:49 because they were putting, like, the noodles and 12:51 you know, I was eating like meat off the street 12:53 Rosemary: Off the street? 12:55 Kathlyn: Off the street vendors yeah. 12:59 John: We knew... we knew it. 13:01 Kathlyn: Yeah and, you know, I just think that 13:04 because all my friends were eating it 13:07 and they made, you know, kind of fun of vegetarians... 13:08 I didn't understand 13:10 but my dad would then take us on all these trips... 13:12 we traveled a lot 13:14 and he would take us to all these like, institutions 13:16 with like, vegan food and... and vegetarian food 13:19 and so, I was exposed to it 13:21 and I did appreciate it... like... 13:22 you know, I tell you in my bio I was, like, off rolling my eyes 13:25 but deep down inside, I knew it was special, you know, 13:27 and I liked... I liked that... I kind of was exposed to that. 13:31 John: Hmmm... 13:33 Rosemary: Yeah and at Fountainview 13:35 what did they have there 13:36 apart from the carrots and the music? 13:38 Kathlyn: Yeah... it's a... I worked in the cafeteria too 13:40 and we had a vegan cafeteria 13:42 and we had vegan pizza... 13:44 we had vegan stir fry... 13:46 for breakfast, we had toast... cereal... crisp... 13:50 pancakes... waffles... I mean... 13:52 look... you go on the internet, you can veganize anything... 13:55 you can pretty much veganize anything, you know. 13:58 Rosemary: But you didn't know that. 13:59 Kathlyn: Well, I knew it, I mean, I just was so young... 14:02 I mean, I was just like, 14:04 "Where's that Snickers bar in my dorm room?" 14:05 You know, I just... 14:07 I just wanted to go to my dorm room and eat junk food 14:09 because I was a teenager and I was healthy 14:11 and I didn't have acne and I was young and fit, 14:13 you know, it's... it's... it's kind of... 14:14 we'll probably get to that... 14:16 it's when you start to lose your health and your energy 14:19 health really is your greatest wealth 14:22 and when you start to lose that, nothing else matters 14:24 and you will do anything... people... 14:26 you know, today people who are desperate... 14:27 people who are sick are desperate to get healthy 14:29 and I understand that because I was desperate to get healthy. 14:31 I was 25 when all my health issues started. 14:34 John: That's too young. 14:36 Kathlyn: That's too young and it's not normal... 14:38 it's not right and I... I just said, 14:40 "I was raised better than this... " 14:41 than to go down a path where I'm abusing my body 14:47 with bad food... alcohol... I'm not... 14:51 I said, "I was raised better than this... " so... 14:53 that's when I kind of turned my life around 14:55 and I saw a documentary called, "Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead" 14:58 which we'll probably get to... which an Aussie man... 15:00 Joe Cross made the film and I'm in Australia, 15:03 so, Joe Cross, if you ever watch this... 15:05 you know, shout out... 15:06 but... yeah... "Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead" 15:08 was kind of that turning point where I was like, 15:11 "Oh, my dad wasn't crazy... " 15:13 Rosemary: Yeah. John: Hmmm. 15:14 Rosemary: Before we get to that, 15:15 you had some interesting experiences 15:18 after finishing at Fountainview, 15:20 the different... you went to Southern... 15:23 you went to Pacific Union College... 15:27 you went... what were you studying there? 15:30 Kathlyn: Okay, so, yeah, I left Fountainview 15:33 and most of my friends and my family 15:35 were Southern people 15:37 so, I went to Southern... my freshman year... 15:38 I actually went to Newbold College my sophomore year 15:41 and then... I... that was in England 15:43 and I finished up at Pacific Union College in California 15:45 so, you know how people go island hopping... 15:47 I went college hopping, yeah, 15:49 and I pretty much went from a very conservative college 15:54 to very... kind of... I don't... I don't know... 15:56 I don't want to like, offend any colleges 15:58 but to a more liberal college to a kind of middle... 16:01 so, I just kind of felt like I had experienced it all 16:03 and I had kind of grown up in an Adventist bubble 16:06 and, yeah, you know like most Adventist young people, 16:09 when you get to college, you kind of go little wild 16:12 and you want to just live and party like the world does 16:15 and so, I started to party like a rock star 16:17 because, you know, I was in college 16:20 and looking back, I see what harm I did 16:23 to just not my body but my soul 16:25 and I've been five years sober now 16:27 and I haven't had any alcohol 16:28 and to tell you the truth, a lot of my friends 16:31 that aren't even Christian 16:32 are starting to see the benefits in that, 16:34 and alcohol is just kind of ruining societies... 16:37 ruining people's lives... 16:39 and I used to be afraid to speak up about it 16:41 because it's... you know, 16:42 you kind of don't want to be the person who does that 16:45 but with how many people are dying from drunk driving... 16:47 how many people are dying 16:49 because their killing their bodies... 16:51 it's... I just... how can I not... you know. 16:54 John: Yeah. 16:55 Rosemary: So, you've gone from a... a home 16:57 where your dad's teaching about eating carrot... 16:59 drinking carrot juice and apple juice... or both together... 17:03 eating pizza without cheese... 17:05 not eating in between meals... 17:06 Kathlyn: Okay, dad and mom didn't really do that... 17:09 that was... that was in Fountainview, yeah... 17:11 dad and mom used to tell me to work on that but... yeah. 17:13 Rosemary: That was at Fountainview... 17:15 you had to end up doing that, 17:16 but you had all the... 17:17 your dad was continually trying to teach you health habits... 17:20 you end up at college... you start drinking alcohol... 17:24 you're eating meat... 17:26 Kathlyn: Oh yeah... junk food, fast food... Taco Bell, yeah. 17:29 Rosemary: Everything your dad didn't teach you to do... 17:31 Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm... 17:32 Rosemary: And so, you're living a completely different life 17:37 are you walking with God? 17:39 Kathlyn: You know, that's such a... 17:41 that's such a good question... 17:42 I never really... 17:44 I actually didn't really want to go to church anymore 17:48 and I didn't really want... 17:49 I was just so like, disillusioned by Adventists... 17:50 I thought they were all hypocrites 17:52 and I thought that Adventists were just too strict 17:55 and all that stuff... 17:57 but deep down inside, when I had some pain in my heart 18:01 or in my life, which we all do, 18:02 especially in college... 18:04 who would I pray to? 18:05 Who would I turn to? 18:06 I turned to God and I... 18:08 you know, because I went to schools like Fountainview 18:09 where we started every morning with devotionals... 18:11 that was still part of my life, 18:13 I remember, even when I was like, partying and like... 18:16 I feel like, "Oh, I want to read a devotional" you know, 18:19 and I have to add something I didn't put in my bio, 18:21 when I was in college, you asked me what I studied... 18:24 I started out with Broadcast Journalism 18:25 and then ended up at PUC where they didn't offer that 18:29 so I finished with Communications and 18:31 I worked in their PR Enrollment Department 18:33 but when I was a student, as a Communications Major, 18:36 we each had to take a Persuasive Communications class 18:40 and the teacher got to pick the subject 18:43 that we had to talk about 18:44 and the subject that the... 18:45 and you had to write at it, memorize and then deliver 18:49 a 10-page speech 18:51 it's not like a one-page speech, it was like... 18:52 Rosemary: Memorize? 18:54 Kathlyn: Memorize... write at it... research... 18:55 and he's like... and the topic... 18:57 and he didn't choose it actually, 18:58 it was like, this Organization called: 19:01 The Christian Temperance Union... 19:02 Women's Christian Temperance Union... they're not even SDA 19:05 but they're just a Christian Faith-based group... 19:07 they had different colleges send their kids 19:10 and they got to choose the topic and it was: 19:12 "Why should you completely abstain from Alcohol?" 19:16 John: That was your topic. 19:17 Kathlyn: That was their topic... they picked it for everyone 19:20 and so, I remember, some of the kids were like, 19:23 "Well, we don't want to write about that... 19:25 we don't want to have to persuade people to... " 19:26 then, well, he's like, "Well, that's the topic... " 19:28 and so, I had to write, edit, research 19:31 and then deliver 19:32 and if you won at your college, you got $500 19:36 and then if you won the $500 and they sent you to Nationals 19:40 I know it's funny... 19:42 and you go to Nationals 19:44 and then if you won there, you got a $1,000 19:46 and so, I was like, 19:47 "You know, I could use a little extra money... " 19:48 broke college student... 19:50 I was like, "I'm going to win this... " 19:51 so, I really put my heart and soul into it. 19:53 Rosemary: And meanwhile you're drinking? 19:54 Kathlyn: Meanwhile, I'm drinking alcohol 19:56 and I'm not proud of... to say that 19:58 because I felt like it was a little... 20:00 Rosemary: God is ironic sometimes... 20:01 Kathlyn: It's ironic and so I go from my college, 20:04 I won the $500 20:05 and then, they flew me to Kansas... 20:07 that Women's Christian Temperance Union 20:08 and when I met all these people 20:10 who were running the... the show, 20:12 they came from alcoholic homes where there was alcoholic abuse, 20:17 fathers that would come home... 20:19 and when they start sharing those stories, I'm like, 20:20 "This is not... these people are serious... 20:22 this is no joke... " 20:23 and here, you know, I am kind of making light of it 20:26 but... anyway long story short, I ended up winning in Kansas, 20:29 I won the $1,000 but my speech has stayed with me 20:33 I... I memorized it 20:34 and when I did the research, it's just kind of pointless... 20:37 alcohol is kind of pointless, so... 20:39 John: Hmmm... Rosemary: Yeah, that's right, 20:40 so where did you go, you finished PUC, 20:44 and they picked you up to work there. 20:47 Kathlyn: Oh yeah... okay, so I... I... I finished at PUC 20:52 and then, three months before I graduated, 20:54 they offered me a full-time... 20:56 I was working as student in the Enrollment Department 20:58 so, I was already working as a student 21:00 and I loved PUC... you know, I'm enthusiastic... 21:02 when I'm enthusiastic, I'm enthusiastic... 21:04 so, I loved it and they said, 21:06 "Do you want to be a College Recruiter for us?" 21:08 And I said, "Sure, it sounds like a fun job... " 21:09 but I took a gap year 21:11 and in that gap year, I... I went to Thailand... 21:13 did a bit of traveling, 21:15 I think I needed to take that break 21:16 and then, I kind of got a little bit more serious 21:18 in that gap year... came back... 21:20 oh, in that gap year is when I got Adult Acne... 21:22 it was like all my years of 21:25 kind of being not very good to myself, 21:28 caught up and I had like rashes on my face 21:30 and I... when you don't have acne and then you have acne, 21:33 it's really traumatic, did you guys ever have acne? 21:35 Rosemary: Yeah... yeah. John: Smiling. 21:37 Kathlyn: But, you understand, it's, you know, it's not fun. 21:40 Rosemary: It's not nice. 21:42 Kathlyn: It's not nice and I was 22... 23... 21:45 "Why is this happening to me now?" 21:46 And so, I was... I went to a Dermatologist, 21:49 she put me on antibiotics for almost a year... 21:51 John: For a whole year? 21:53 Kathlyn: Yeah, hmmm... hmmm... and creams... 21:56 I did chemical face peals... 21:57 where, like, layers of my... it was... 21:59 and I was just trusting this Dermatologist 22:01 thinking that she had my best interests in mind... 22:03 she barely even looked at me when I went into her office, 22:05 she just kind of... it was... it was like... 22:07 "Da... da... da... this is what you do... " 22:08 and my dad... I called my dad... 22:10 and I was telling... I sent him pictures 22:12 because he was still in Thailand and I was in the States, 22:14 and he said, "Kat, you need to change your diet 22:15 and your lifestyle... " 22:17 and I knew he was right but I was stubborn 22:19 and I'd rather take a pill... antibiotic... 22:21 Rosemary: Yes, it's easier... 22:22 Kathlyn: It's easier than changing my life 22:25 and so, I finally heard from a co-worker 22:29 about this documentary called: "Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead" 22:31 while I was recruiting 22:32 and I watched the documentary about how this man 22:35 healed himself by doing a juice fast 22:37 and he had health issues way more serious than mine 22:41 and I remember, like, I wanted to cry at the end, 22:44 it was so moving, it really touched me 22:46 and it gave me hope and I... I said, 22:48 "You know, I think I need to focus on my health a bit" 22:50 and I quit my job... 22:52 oh and... meanwhile when I was recruiting for PUC, 22:54 they flew me to Oahu, Maui... oh, Oahu, Hawaii, 22:57 to recruit and I went to Hawaii Mission Academy 23:00 and I grew up in Asia and I'm half American 23:03 and I never really felt that I belonged anywhere 23:06 but when I went to Hawaii, I was like, "I totally... " 23:08 John: You came home. Kathlyn: I came home... 23:09 I walked into the airport and they were like, 23:11 "Hey, the local girl... welcome home... " 23:12 and I was just like, "Oh, I love this... " 23:14 Rosemary: You must have looked Hawaiian. 23:15 Kathlyn: Yeah, I felt the aloha 23:17 and you know what? PUC... they said, 23:18 "Kat, we're sending you to Hawaii to recruit 23:22 because you kind of look Hawaiian... " 23:24 and I was like, "Man, they're totally using me for my looks 23:26 and I'm okay with it... 23:27 it's okay, you know, I look Hawaiian... 23:29 I can go to Hawaii... I am okay with it. " 23:31 So, anyway, yeah, that was... 23:33 just, I had to throw that in there 23:34 because that job at PUC 23:36 was one of the best things that ever happened to me, 23:38 I loved recruiting for PUC... 23:40 I got to meet Seventh-day Adventist High School kids 23:42 from all over the United States... 23:43 I went to Hawaii and it was because of that job 23:46 that I ended up living in Maui for four years. 23:48 John: Hmmm... 23:50 Kathlyn: So, PUC changed my life and I love... 23:52 I love PUC deeply... 23:53 I... I'm still in touch with all of my friends 23:56 most of my friends from... from the college 23:58 and the staff there are great, yeah. 24:01 Rosemary: Even learning bad habits... 24:03 you... it was still a great experience. 24:05 Kathyln: Of course, yeah, and you know, I just... 24:07 I have to say... I didn't learn my bad habits at PUC... 24:09 Rosemary: You're already... Kathlyn: People are partying... 24:11 people were partying at Southern... at Newbold... 24:13 like, I... you know, as a college recruiter... 24:15 and I'm just going to say this, young people will be like, 24:17 "Oh, you mean like California, the party State... 24:20 the party schools are there... " 24:21 no, you can... people party everywhere... 24:23 people party in Tennessee... 24:24 people party in Kansas... like, 24:26 you'll find what you want wherever you go, and so... 24:29 whatever you want... you'll find wherever you go 24:32 so, I... I loved PUC and I... I really enjoyed my time there. 24:36 Rosemary: Is other things that they find necessarily 24:37 fun and okay and good? 24:39 Kathlyn: I'm... I'm sorry... 24:41 Rosemary: Are the things that they find at college 24:42 necessarily good or can they be bad? 24:46 Kathlyn: Oh, they can definitely be bad... 24:47 I mean, you can go to the most conservative Adventist College 24:50 and you'll... if you want to find crack cocaine... 24:52 you will find crack cocaine... 24:54 do you know what I mean? Like... 24:55 if you go to the most liberal Adventist College 24:57 and you want to be a vegan, vegetarian, hippie, 25:00 earth-loving... you can do that too, you know, 25:02 and so, you'll find what you want. 25:05 Rosemary: So, it sort of depends on who you find 25:06 your friends to be? 25:08 Kathlyn: Oh, yeah, I just read a book called: Friendfluence... 25:10 it's not even Christian but it's saying, 25:12 "You're the average of the five people 25:13 you spend the most time with... " 25:14 and I read this about five years ago 25:16 and started to really think about who I spend time with 25:18 and who you date in college will influence your habits incredibly 25:22 who you spend time with... I mean... 25:25 the influence is powerful. 25:28 Rosemary: It's interesting you say that 25:29 because right towards the beginning you said 25:32 that your dad was telling you this 25:34 but your friends were doing this... 25:37 and so, you know, drinking soda 25:40 when your dad wanted you to drink carrot and apple juice 25:43 but your friends were drinking soda 25:45 so, you drank soda. 25:47 Kathlyn: Yeah. 25:48 Rosemary: So, that had a great influence. 25:50 Kathlyn: Yeah... yeah... definitely. 25:52 So, where were we? 25:54 Rosemary: You were in Maui. 25:55 Kathlyn: Okay, Maui... no, but where we in my story? 25:57 Oh no, so the "Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead" thing happened, 25:58 can I share that real quickly? 26:00 I watched the documentary... I bought it for my dad... 26:03 I was like, "Merry Christmas, you're right... 26:05 I had to change my diet this whole time... " 26:07 but I bought a juicer an Omega 8006... 26:11 I don't know if anyone cares, 26:12 but I bought a juicer and I started juicing... 26:14 I went totally plant-based... 26:16 cut out meat... cut out cheese, cut out wheat... 26:18 and I know that it sounds like I'm cutting a lot of stuff out 26:21 but then I started to eat, like, zucchini and mint 26:24 and eggplant and tomatoes, like there's so many vegetables 26:27 and you know in Thailand... so many fruits... 26:29 mangoes and pineapple and dragon fruit... 26:31 Rosemary: Rambutan... Kathlyn: Rambutan... 26:34 Rosemary: Mangosteen and... and Custard Apples. 26:37 John: And Durian. 26:38 Kathlyn: And Durian... I was going to say that 26:39 so, I never have really eaten or liked durian 26:41 and then, when I became, like, health conscious, 26:43 I can... I can eat a little piece of durian. 26:45 Rosemary: I can't... Kathlyn: You can't? 26:46 Rosemary: No. 26:48 John: You can eat a little piece I'll eat the rest 26:49 because I really like it. 26:50 Kathlyn: You sound like my sister, yeah 26:52 but... there's so much, you know, healthy... 26:53 but anyway, I sent my... I started to follow the blog 26:57 that Joe Cross had on his reboot website 26:59 and one day his Producer sent out a mass e-mail 27:02 to all the people and she's like, 27:03 "We're flying out 12 people to New York City 27:06 to share their health testimony... 27:08 how much weight did you lose juicing 27:10 after watching: Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead 27:12 and how did the documentary change your life? 27:14 And I thought, "Well, I didn't really lose weight juicing 27:18 and I didn't... but I did it to heal my acne 27:20 and my acne was healed by the way 27:22 I said, "Maybe I'll send my story 27:24 and put a little twist on it... " 27:25 and so, I sent her my story, 27:28 she said, "Kat, your e-mail gave me goosebumps... 27:29 we'd love to fly you out to New York to be in our commercial 27:31 and to meet Joe Cross. " 27:33 so, I got to meet him in New York... 27:34 I did the commercial... 27:36 and we all sat in a circle before we did 27:37 and everyone in the circle was like, 27:39 "I lost a 100 pounds... " 27:41 John: A 100 pounds? 27:42 Kathlyn: Yeah, and another person's like, 27:44 "I lost 80 pounds... " 27:46 and they all look at me, like, waiting 27:47 and I was like, "I lost 10 pounds 27:49 but that's not why I'm here... " 27:50 and they all looked at me. Rosemary: I lost acne... 27:52 Kathlyn: I'm like, "I lost my acne... " 27:54 and then they were like, "Why are you here 27:55 if you lost ten pounds?" 27:56 You know, and I was like, "Oh no... " 27:58 and then I shared my pictures and they understood 27:59 but there are a lot of young girls 28:01 that are struggling with acne 28:02 and a ton of money is going into all these harsh creams 28:04 and... I mean... you know, 28:06 there's nothing wrong with wanting to have a smooth face, 28:08 but people are just going... 28:10 spending their money on the wrong things, 28:12 so, I just wanted to share with people that 28:14 it's... you are what you absorb 28:15 and what you put on your skin is also what you absorb 28:19 so... 28:20 Rosemary: And the antibiotics you're on 28:22 would have been causing more problems in your gut. 28:25 Kathlyn: Yeah, that is actually something I've struggled with 28:28 for the past five years... I'm not kidding... 28:30 the antibiotics was like a gut bomb... totally affected... 28:33 Rosemary: Eight months... Kathlyn: Almost a year, yeah, 28:35 like, it was a really long time 28:37 and you know when I did that commercial in New York, 28:40 that was like my first stage of healing... 28:42 my acne was healed but I remember still... 28:44 and I was learning about digestive enzymes... 28:46 and I was learning about probiotics... 28:48 I was learning about the microbiome 28:49 and since then, I've, like, 28:51 reached different layers of my health 28:52 but I became obsessed with organic fruits and vegetables, 28:55 as you know, we've been talking about 28:56 organic fruits and vegetables. 28:58 John: Hmmm... hmmm... so, you've... 28:59 you've... seeing you've gone through that experience, 29:02 you have a desire to let other people know. 29:05 Kathlyn: Yeah. 29:06 John: And I know there's probably a lot of young people 29:07 out there listening and wondering, 29:09 "Well, about college and what mom and dad are telling me, 29:12 to do and how... it doesn't seem fair... " 29:15 but in reality, you are looking now back in retrospect 29:20 and you're seeing that 29:23 there was a better choice you could have made 29:26 because it really amounts to what choices you make in life 29:29 and really, you've come now to the realization... 29:33 dad was right... you know... 29:35 and so, as a young person... 29:37 I'll say, you are still are a young person, 29:40 you want others to know that... 29:42 they don't have to go through what you went through, do they? 29:44 Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm... 29:45 I told Rosemary when I e-mailed her, 29:46 I said, "My suffering was a cause of my own rebellion" 29:49 and you read that in the Bible, 29:51 and by the way, during this time period, 29:53 I started reading my Bible again... 29:54 and really following the NEWSTART Program 29:58 that we grew up with: 30:00 Nutrition, Exercise, Water, Sunshine, Temperance, Air, 30:02 Rest... Trust in God... 30:04 I really started to follow that like, 30:05 I became... not obsessed but like... 30:07 I wanted to make... purify my life as much as possible... 30:10 no more perfume... 30:11 I stopped eating chocolate... 30:13 I stopped wearing harsh... like, Makeups and stuff... 30:17 I started using essential oils... 30:18 I mean, I wanted to purify my life as much as possible 30:22 and I became obsessed with clean air... 30:24 clean water... and that's kind of why I moved to Maui... 30:27 Maui, Hawaii... and I was a WWOOFER 30:28 which is Worldwide Opportunity... 30:30 Rosemary: Yeah, tell us some of these stories in Maui... 30:33 Kathlyn: Yes, so because of PUC sending me to Oahu 30:36 as a College Recruiter, 30:37 I decided that I had to move to Hawaii some day 30:39 and I chose Maui because my family had gone there 30:42 when we were younger and I asked dad, 30:44 "What's the most beautiful place you've ever been in?" 30:45 He said, "Maui... " 30:47 and so, I... I kind of always had Maui in the back of my head 30:50 and my mom loved Maui and... yeah... 30:53 so, I wanted to move to Maui, Hawaii but I didn't know a soul 30:56 and I knew I wanted to be a WWOOFER because I was like, 30:59 "I want to learn how to grow my own produce... " 31:00 Rosemary: Okay, just explain for those who don't know 31:02 what is WWOOFER is. 31:03 Kathlyn: Yeah, it's a really funny word... 31:05 WWOOFER is: Worldwide Opportunities on Organic Farms 31:10 and my cousin had been a WWOOFER 31:12 and I had different friends... 31:14 and pretty much you go to the website and you pay 30 dollars, 31:17 I paid $30 for the year 31:19 and then you have access to all these organic farms 31:21 in North America and even the world, I think, 31:23 but I stuck to North America. 31:24 Rosemary: And you can go and look there. 31:25 Kathlyn: Yeah and you... you get to live there for free 31:28 but you have to put in a couple of hours each day... 31:30 you have to... you have to do your work... 31:31 like, you have to e-mail the family and say, 31:33 "What do you expect of me?" 31:34 "How many people are there?" 31:36 "How many hours each day?" blah, blah, blah... 31:38 and so, I knew I wanted to be a WWOOFER 31:40 when I moved to Maui. 31:41 John: So, you did that for four years? 31:43 Kathlyn: No, I did that for a month. 31:44 I saw... I wanted to be a WWOOFER 31:46 and then I wanted to work at a restaurant called: 31:48 Mama's Fish House Restaurant and that's another story 31:51 and I prayed to God that I wanted to do both those things 31:53 and both those things happened 31:55 but, I guess I'll start with the WWOOFing... 31:57 I wanted to be a WWOOFER and at this time, 31:59 I started wanting to keep the Sabbath again 32:02 and I said, "I want to start keeping the Sabbath again... " 32:04 and so, that was in my heart 32:06 and I started applying to different farms on Maui 32:08 and I applied to this one farm and it seemed really legit... 32:11 they had a website... 32:12 they had like 15 WWOOFERs at one time, 32:14 and I wrote them and they were writing me back, 32:16 they were engaged... they seemed interested... 32:19 and then I said, "Okay, but by the way, 32:21 I would like to have Sabbath... Saturday off 32:23 because I keep the Sabbath... " never wrote me back... 32:26 just completely stopped writing me... 32:28 and I was hurt... I was like, "What?" 32:30 And I talked to my dad and he's like, 32:32 "Kat, this door closed 32:34 because a better one is opening... " 32:36 and we went to the website and on their website 32:39 they were into stuff like talking to the dead... 32:42 Rosemary: Ah... 32:43 Kathlyn: Yeah, no... I mean it was very "spiritualistic" 32:46 kind of stuff and my... 32:47 my dad was looking at the website, he's like, "I don't" 32:49 John: I don't think it's a good place. 32:51 Kathlyn: He said, "This is a blessing that this door closed, 32:53 you don't really want to be there... " 32:54 so, I had to just have faith 32:56 that God had a better door opened 32:58 and so I... I went to the website the next day 33:01 and there was a new Ad that popped up that wasn't there 33:03 and it was like, "Hi, we're a couple from San Diego, 33:05 we're living in Maui now 33:06 we're looking for one WWOOFER... no partying... no drinking... 33:09 vegetarian... we have an ohana... 33:11 we have papayas, pineapples, coconuts... " 33:14 John: Sounds good. 33:15 Kathlyn: And the thing is... I had already... 33:17 I had been dorming for eight years at this point 33:19 and I was like, "I am done with the sharing 33:22 I'm done with the whole boarding-dorming thing... " 33:24 and I wanted to be the only WWOOFER... 33:26 and they wanted only one WWOOFER 33:28 and so, I called them and I was like, "Hi... " 33:31 and it was... their names were Gordie and Sharon 33:33 and I was like, "Hi... I saw your Ad... " 33:35 and Gordie's like, "We just posted it last night" 33:37 I was like, "Okay, whatever... I'm your girl... 33:39 I don't care when you posted it, 33:40 I'm your girl to be your WWOOFER." 33:42 I was their first WWOOFER and they tell... 33:44 and to this day... four years later, 33:45 I still house-sit for them... 33:47 I go over to their house all the time when I'm on Maui... " 33:50 and they've adopted me as their daughter... 33:52 they tell everyone else I was their first WWOOFER 33:54 and so, it was meant to be... 33:55 God opened that door, that wasn't by chance. 33:57 John: Hmmm... 33:58 Rosemary: Hmmm... and so... what did... 33:59 so you were only with them for a month? 34:01 Kathlyn: Okay, yeah... and I have to add something, 34:02 I wrote them and told them about the Sabbath 34:04 and they were okay with it. 34:05 So, I said, "I'll do... I'll garden... whatever... 34:07 but on... on Saturday, I want to go to church 34:09 and I want the Sabbath off... " 34:11 and I remember thinking, like, 34:12 "I wonder if they even know what that is?" 34:13 I go to their house 34:15 and they tell me that they used to live on Molokai... 34:17 Molokai is a smaller island off of Maui 34:20 and they're like, "Yeah, so when we lived on Molokai, 34:22 we had to do all of our shopping before Saturday 34:25 or after Saturday because all of the shops closed 34:28 because they were all Seventh-day-Adventist owned. 34:30 John: Is that right? Rosemary: Smiling. 34:32 Kathlyn: I said, "That is too funny... " 34:33 like, I said, "So, guys don't think that I was... " 34:36 like, I didn't want them to think I was like, 34:37 "I need Tuesday and Saturday off because I... " 34:39 you know, I didn't want them to think I was making stuff up 34:41 but they were like, "Yeah, no... closed on Saturday... " so... 34:43 so, if you ever go to Molokai... 34:45 Rosemary: Yeah and so, you were only there for a month 34:48 but you really enjoyed it and you... 34:50 you learned how to grow things? 34:53 Kathlyn: Well, what I learned from Sharon and Gordie 34:55 was the beauty of growing your own food. 34:58 This couple they... they grew their own food 35:00 their whole lives... their kids never went to the... 35:02 like, doctor really... 35:04 they just kind of healed their kids through nutrition 35:07 and they grew corn... they grew coconuts, like I said, 35:10 kale, ginger, turmeric, papaya... 35:12 they had... oh, and they sold the papayas 35:14 to the health food stores in Maui, 35:16 so, they were like, legit. 35:17 I was there for a month 35:19 because that was the agreement on their WWOOFER website, 35:20 they said, "We're only looking for someone for a month. " 35:21 I WWOOFed for a month then I left 35:24 and then, about a week after that, 35:26 they said, "Come back... " so I came back 35:28 but then I was working at Mama's Fish House Restaurant 35:30 at that point, 35:31 which was my other dream come true. 35:32 Rosemary: How did you get that job? 35:34 Kathlyn: Okay, so when I knew I wanted to move to Maui, 35:37 I called my dad and he was in Thailand 35:39 and I said, "Dad, I want to move to Maui, 35:41 do you have any friends over there that know of jobs... 35:43 like, do you know anything?" 35:45 And he said, "Well, if I hear of anything, I'll let you know. " 35:48 Next thing I knew, he e-mails me and says, 35:50 "Kat, call me... a businessman from Maui came to the hospital 35:53 Mission Hospital in Bangkok trying to sell us something, 35:57 and he says he knows where you need to work 35:59 when you go to Maui... " 36:00 and so, I called my dad, 36:02 my dad said, "Yeah, this man Bill Riker... " 36:04 I don't know if he's ever going to watch this 36:05 but Bill Riker is kind of the reason why I ended up there, 36:07 said that this man said, 36:09 "If your daughter is going to go to Maui, 36:11 and work in hospitality... " 36:13 because that's what I said I wanted to do 36:14 because Hospitality is huge there 36:15 and that's like, the only thing you can do there, really, 36:17 unless you have... you know... 36:18 so, he said, "There's only one restaurant she should work at, 36:21 and it's Mama's Fish House Restaurant" 36:23 and I said, "Okay... " 36:25 and so I... I looked it up 36:27 and it's a restaurant right on the beach 36:30 300 employees... a 1,000 guests come through daily. 36:32 Rosemary: A 1,000 guests a day! 36:35 Kathlyn: Yeah... and... Rosemary: Amazing. 36:37 Kathlyn: A family called Floyd and Doris Christenson started it 36:39 lovely family... 36:41 I met some of the best friends I have to this day 36:43 at that restaurant... 36:45 I worked in the office so, I worked in the office, 36:47 and I also worked as a hostess 36:48 and it's a very busy... 36:50 it's the number one restaurant on Maui 36:51 and anyway, so that door opened and so I did that. 36:54 Rosemary: That's exciting. 36:56 Kathlyn: Yeah, it was really exciting. 36:58 Rosemary: Is that when you gave up eating fish? 36:59 Kathlyn: That's when I gave up eating fish, yeah, 37:01 when I said I went totally plant based, 37:03 I guess I was eating fish a bit and eggs 37:05 and even now, I'm not a 100% vegan 37:07 because I do eat the eggs, it's the Filipino in me, 37:10 but... but I did stop eating fish at Mama's Fish House 37:14 because the stench... and I just... 37:15 the mercury in the fish and... I don't know. 37:17 Rosemary: Yeah, that's right. Kathlyn: Yeah. 37:20 Rosemary: A lot of people don't think about it 37:22 but fish actually are said to be full of toxin. 37:24 John: After listening to you, you walked your way through life 37:26 and you've experienced all these things 37:28 and I'm sure someone's out there, 37:29 maybe somewhere on the road where you've been through 37:32 you know, but the end result is 37:34 you've changed your life... 37:36 you're... you're... you're acknowledging... 37:39 in the Bible there's a commandment... 37:41 the fifth commandment, it says, 37:42 "Honor thy father and thy mother: 37:44 that thy days may be long upon the land 37:45 which the LORD thy God giveth thee... " 37:47 that's with a promise... 37:48 so, you can live longer because you're healthier. 37:50 Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm... 37:51 John: You know, God wants that for you 37:53 if you listen to your mom and dad 37:54 yeah, you've gone through experiencing it, 37:57 now, looking back, 37:58 do you think you would have done things differently now? 38:00 Kathlyn: Oh of course, absolutely, I... there... 38:03 you know, I don't want to look in the rear-view mirror too much 38:06 because then you're not going to look forward 38:08 but, I am one of those people... 38:10 there's a quote I love, it says, 38:12 "You should only look back to see how far you've come. " 38:14 So, I look back to see how far I've come 38:15 but I also want to help people, you know, 38:18 and most recently, I've been in... at... 38:21 kind of... you can call it interning at a Gerson Clinic 38:23 the Gerson Therapy is something that... 38:25 is now my new layer of health that I've reached 38:28 and it's in Mexico and it's Northern Baja Gerson Center 38:31 and when I was at that clinic 38:33 I kind of reached a new level of health 38:36 because I was in taking 13 juices a day, 38:38 and there's just so many other different health protocols 38:42 that I learned there and the... the... 38:45 there was an interview that I heard 38:48 with the man who started the clinic, Dr. Vickers, 38:51 and also, one of the patients who healed his cancer 38:54 by doing the therapy for a year, 38:55 and he said, "A healthy man has many ambitions... 38:59 a sick man has only one and that's to get healthy. " 39:03 Rosemary: That's right. 39:04 John: It's a very profound thing isn't it? Profound thought... 39:06 Kathlyn: It is. 39:07 John: And it's true because when you... 39:09 when you're suffering from an illness, 39:10 what do you think about continuously? 39:13 "I wish this wasn't happening to me... 39:15 I wish I could do something about it. " 39:18 Rosemary: Well, a lot of the time what you think about is, 39:20 how sick you feel. John: Yeah, that's right. 39:22 Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm... and so, when I heard that quote, 39:24 it was almost like... I was like, "Oh, now I... " 39:25 like, just because sometimes, you know, 39:28 I felt I have to explain to people, like what I'm doing... 39:31 like, "Wait, you're going to be a WWOOFER on Maui?" 39:33 "You're going to some Gerson Clinic in Mexico?" 39:36 like, "What are you doing with your life?" 39:37 What people don't understand is when you're not well, 39:39 all you want is to be well 39:41 and I want to have kids someday, 39:43 I want to have babies... I want to get married... 39:45 I have to be well before that happens, you know, 39:48 and I started reading "Country Living" By Ellen White 39:51 and I started reading, "Diseases and Its Causes" 39:53 and those two books really changed my life 39:55 and I encourage everyone to read: Diseases and Its Causes 39:58 and Country Living 39:59 and if you don't like Ellen White, read it 40:01 because I didn't like Ellen White for most of my life, 40:02 I didn't... 40:04 John: She was an author... wrote many, many books, 40:08 and the knowledge that she recorded in her books 40:13 really are now being proven by Science. 40:15 So, you know, the evidence is there... 40:17 we only need to open our eyes and have a look... 40:20 you know, I thought of this thought, 40:22 you said, I heard this saying once, 40:24 "You are what you eat, don't eat dead meat... " 40:27 you get it? 40:28 Kathlyn: I like that. 40:29 Rosemary: That was on a T-Shirt from the Vegan Society 40:32 in the USA and Dr. Winston Craig was wearing it 40:36 when he had his 50th birthday quite a number of years ago, 40:38 and I just loved that T-Shirt... 40:41 it just spoke amazing words, 40:44 "You are what you eat... don't eat dead meat. " 40:48 Kathlyn: Yeah, eat raw living foods 40:50 and I'm not a 100% raw foodist 40:52 like, there are a couple of those on YouTube, 40:53 I've seen their stuff, that's kind of hard for me, 40:56 like, I want to eat Quinoa sometimes or baked potato 40:58 I don't have a problem with cooked food 41:00 but I do think that you can eat a lot of raw fresh foods 41:03 and that's kind of, you know... 41:05 I turned 30 two years ago, I'm 32 now, 41:07 people think I'm 19 and I just say, "Thank you" 41:10 but when I turned 30... a woman asked me if I was 16 41:15 and I'm telling you, like, 41:16 people are looking for this, like, fountain of youth 41:19 it starts with what you put in your body. 41:21 John: Yeah. Kathlyn: And in your mind. 41:23 John: That's right. Rosemary: Hmmm... 41:24 and what you put in your body, 41:26 affects what you put in your mind. 41:28 Kathleen: Absolutely. 41:30 Rosemary: It affects your mind in a very dramatic way 41:33 and that's something we've been finding out 41:34 even on this Program, 41:36 we've interviewed people like Chad and Fadia Kreuzer 41:39 and Dr. Carly Enjuku 41:42 and people who have learned a lot... 41:45 Eddie Ramirez... Dr. Eddie Ramirez from Wiemer 41:48 and they're finding more and more 41:51 that your gut has to be healthy 41:54 for your brain to function properly. 41:56 Kathlyn: Absolutely, yeah. 41:58 Rosemary: And if your gut's not healthy, 41:59 your brain is only going to... 42:01 it's... it's not going to work properly... 42:03 it's going to affect you badly. 42:04 John: Even more and more Science is revealing the gut 42:05 and brain connection, 42:07 there is definitely a connection between it 42:08 and I know from my own experience, 42:10 I grew up eating lots of flesh-food products as a kid, 42:15 I've changed that now and, you know, it's... 42:18 it's really encouraging to know that if you eat well... 42:22 you drink water 42:23 and you keep all those things that are pure and good for you, 42:27 foremost... your health really improves. 42:30 Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm... 42:32 John: And the lifestyle... 42:33 most of the diseases now are lifestyle... 42:35 it's what we eat that causes the problems 42:36 and we don't exercise... we don't do those sorts of things 42:39 that's what's causing the issues now in this... you know, 42:42 in this... in this century now that we live in. 42:44 Kathlyn: Yeah. 42:45 John: It's lifestyle-related diseases and... 42:48 and I see the importance of it 42:50 you know, and I like the idea that you want to share 42:52 what you've learned 42:54 because young people need to know that, you know, 42:56 chocolate... oh, it tastes nice and it's very addictive 42:59 but you know it's not good for you. 43:00 Rosemary: I was a chocoholic. Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm... me too. 43:04 Rosemary: And I am really grateful 43:05 that when I decided... chocolate is bad for me, 43:10 it's full of a lot of bad stuff, let alone the caffeine, 43:14 and I shouldn't eat that... 43:16 God gave me the ability cold turkey... 43:20 to go off chocolate... 43:22 to take away that desire completely, 43:24 God can do that if we want to do the right thing... 43:27 that's 24 years ago. 43:29 John: The other thing too is we... going extreme on one thing 43:32 even vegan food and juicing... 43:34 if you're extreme on those things, 43:36 it still can be harmful to you. 43:37 What God is saying... He's giving us a balanced view, 43:41 you know, in the eight laws of health that you talk about, 43:44 it's not only food, it's talking about rest, 43:47 how much rest do you have... 43:48 how much water you drink... fresh air... 43:50 and, you know, there's another one... 43:52 Rosemary: Sunshine... 43:53 John: Sunshine... all those aspects... 43:55 would say a Creator God who made us... 43:57 He knows what's best for us, 43:59 and we've just got to be willing to say, 44:01 "Well, God, if You made me, 44:02 what is it that You want me to do in my life 44:07 so that I can live healthfully?" 44:08 And you know what, it's very simple... 44:10 God's diet is very simple, 44:12 His whole... you know He gave us rest... 44:15 you know, sleep the normal hours 44:16 that you're required to sleep, 44:18 all the pressures and anxieties disappear... they do... 44:21 they disappear when we follow those basic principles 44:24 that God has given to us 44:25 to be a happy, healthy and normal person. 44:28 Kathlyn: Yeah, isn't there that verse, 44:30 "Taste and see that the Lord is good... " 44:31 John: There is. 44:32 Kathlyn: Taste... not just eat... taste... 44:34 God wants us to taste... 44:35 imagine how good the mangoes are going to taste in heaven, 44:37 you know... 44:38 Rosemary: I know I think about that. 44:39 Kathlyn: I tell myself the same thing when I struggle with... 44:41 because I had a sweet tooth... I was a sugar addict... 44:44 no, really... I... skittles and snickers and like, 44:47 I realize... my acne was probably all sugar related 44:49 and I had to find alternative desserts 44:53 and just ask my family... 44:55 I was just at the Gerson Clinic I told you in Mexico 44:58 and it was my boyfriend's birthday 45:00 and we made... I helped the Chef make 45:01 a carrot cake made with carrots 45:04 and apple sauce... and it was vegan. 45:06 John: It's delicious. 45:08 Kathlyn: It was delicious and it was so healthy 45:09 and just put a little bit of maple syrup... 45:10 I put a little bit extra because you know... 45:12 but you know, like, and I make an avocado chocolate mousse, 45:16 have you tried it yet? 45:17 Rosemary: No... John: No... 45:18 Kathlyn: I might have to make it for you while I'm here. 45:20 Rosemary: Chocolate mousse? Kathlyn: It's avocado... 45:21 and I use carob. Rosemary: Yes, so do I. 45:22 Kathlyn: Carob or Cacao... 45:24 but you know, honestly, the caffeine in cacao 45:25 makes me kind of ooo at night, like, I can't sleep. 45:27 John: Sign difference. 45:29 Rosemary: It's the same thing like taking the chocolate. 45:31 Kathlyn: Oh it is? Rosemary: Hmmm... 45:32 Kathlyn: Well, yeah, I just learned something, okay, yeah, 45:34 so, carob... I do carob... 45:35 and then you get the avocado, maple syrup 45:37 and you put a little bit of coconut... 45:38 you know, even though I learned, 45:40 I was eating a lot of coconut butter and coconut oil, 45:42 and at the Gerson Clinic, I realized... 45:44 I found out that coconut... 45:45 too much coconut oil isn't actually very good for you. 45:47 John: That's what I was saying earlier, it's a balance. 45:49 You can have too much... even if good 45:52 as well as bad... 45:53 so, it's really knowing what is best for you 45:57 and staying with that 45:58 and it's not extremes... 45:59 it's just being moderate in all things. 46:01 Rosemary: Yeah, well, actually it's 46:04 moderation in that which is good 46:06 and abstinence in those things that are not good. 46:09 Kathlyn: Yeah. 46:10 Rosemary: So, even those things that are good, 46:11 don't overindulge and don't get so hooked on one aspect 46:18 that you become really obsessive about it 46:23 and it takes over your life and becomes your god. 46:25 Kathlyn: Yeah. 46:26 Rosemary: You have to balance everything 46:28 and do everything in moderation. 46:30 John: Hmmm... 46:31 Kathlyn: Isn't there a verse, 46:33 "Let your moderation be known unto all men... 46:34 the Lord is at hand. " Is it Philippians 4: 7 or 8? 46:37 Yeah, "Let your moderation be known to all men... " 46:39 Rosemary: Not 7 or 8 though, not Philippians 4:6, 7 and 8, 46:42 I know they're in but they're not the ones 46:44 but there is a verse that says that. 46:45 Kathlyn: Okay, okay and so I love that verse 46:48 because I think that we live in a very gluttonous society 46:51 and it's, you know, people are overeating 46:55 like, themselves to death 46:56 and so, it's very important that and you know, the whole, 46:59 not eating in between meals... 47:00 that's something I've really tried to incorporate 47:02 into my life... and that's hard because... 47:04 hmmm... should I eat now? 47:07 Because if I eat now, then can I eat lunch in two hours? 47:10 because I want four hours of... you know... 47:12 so, that's something I still struggle with 47:13 because the eating in between meals, you know, 47:15 but I don't want to so... 47:16 Rosemary: I... I actually haven't found it that hard. 47:19 Kathlyn: Okay, yeah, I think it's because 47:22 when I was working in the restaurant industry, 47:23 it was very hard to find a regular... 47:25 John: Hmmm... 47:27 Rosemary: Your dad told me one time when he rang, 47:29 he's rung a few times and we've rung him a couple of times 47:34 and he was saying that when you were working at the restaurant 47:38 in Hawaii 47:40 that he was really proud of you for telling them 47:45 that you wanted the Sabbath off. 47:47 Kathlyn: Oh wow, I never knew that he felt that. 47:49 Rosemary: That's what you did isn't it? 47:50 Kathlyn: Yeah, I did, I told the restaurant... 47:52 because if I was going to tell the WWOOFing people 47:54 then, I'd have to tell the restaurant 47:55 and I said, "I want to... " 47:57 Rosemary: And that's really hard to do in a restaurant... 47:58 to tell them. 47:59 Kathlyn: Yeah, and it's really hard to do 48:01 when you are alone and you don't have... 48:03 like, your Principal... like, I grew up in Adventist schools... 48:05 Adventist bubble... 48:06 my dad always made that decision for me 48:08 or the schools always made that decision for me, all of a sudden 48:09 John: Now you have to do it yourself. 48:11 Kathlyn: I had to do it for myself 48:12 and people were like, 48:14 "Okay, so you're like some kind of Cinderella... 48:15 like, as soon as the sun goes down... like, you can't work... 48:18 but then you come back on Sunday like, all refreshed, 48:21 like, what's going on?" 48:22 And... so a lot of my friends didn't understand it at first 48:25 but you know, it was very important for me 48:28 and it still... the Sabbath is still very important for me 48:30 and to tell you the truth, 48:31 I still find myself struggling with, 48:35 "Okay, can I do this on the Sabbath... can I do that?" 48:37 But I have tried my best to follow from what I've learned 48:41 how to keep the Sabbath, you know. 48:42 John: I like that in the NEWSTART Program, 48:44 the eight laws of health, there's: Trust in God 48:47 there's a spiritual side to our well-being also 48:50 and, you know, when we understand that, 48:52 we can call upon God if there are problems 48:55 and He can do extraordinary things, 48:57 he's a miracle-working God and He can heal people. 48:59 Rosemary: And He can help us get the Sabbath off... 49:02 Kathlyn: Hmmm... hmmm... 49:03 John: But it's interesting because 49:05 having the Sabbath off is also a day of rest... 49:08 it's called, "A day of rest... " 49:09 and that's where we don't do the normal work that we do 49:13 in the other six days of the week, 49:15 so, we set aside to worship God... 49:17 that's the primary purpose to acknowledge Him 49:20 as our Creator and our God, 49:21 but at the same time, we receive a benefit from it, 49:25 we also receive the blessing of God from it 49:27 which I want above everything else. 49:29 Kathlyn: Yeah. 49:30 Rosemary: You know, I used to really enjoy our Sabbaths 49:32 in Bangkok 49:33 because we would have Sabbath School and church 49:36 and there was the choir 49:38 and sometimes I had to lead the choir 49:40 which I found really difficult myself 49:42 but then we would go to your place for lunch 49:45 then after lunch, we would go and sing in the hospital, 49:50 do you remember doing that? 49:52 Kathlyn: Oh yeah, I do... I do, yeah. 49:53 Rosemary: And every Sabbath, 49:55 we would be going to all the Wards 49:58 and singing in the... the hallways. 49:59 John: That was a big hospital too. 50:01 Rosemary: And praying for the patients... praying with them 50:05 and you know, there were two old ladies, 50:07 you may remember them, 50:09 one had been a doctor at one stage 50:10 but they were basically confined to their hospital bed now 50:15 as really old ladies... they were in the same room 50:19 and they always appreciated us going in there, 50:23 the one who had been the doctor was starting to lose her mind 50:26 but the other dear old lady used to love to see us 50:28 and we would pray with them... 50:30 they were Buddhists but they appreciated our prayers 50:33 and do you know, when we left Bangkok 50:36 and we went back... 50:38 in 2003... we left at the end of 2001... 50:44 we went back in 2003... and that old lady was still there 50:49 and on Sabbath, we joined the group 50:51 and we went and prayed... we sang in the passage ways... 50:55 the same Thai songs and English songs that we used to sing 50:59 and we... it was just a beautiful way to spend Sabbath, 51:03 it's a perfect way to spend Sabbath 51:05 and when we went into that room, 51:08 she lit up and she started speaking 51:11 and the Thais there said, "She recognizes you 51:15 and she's so excited to see you again... " 51:18 this is couple of... nearly two years later... 51:23 and she recognized us as having been going around 51:27 and singing all those Sabbaths when we were in Bangkok 51:31 and she was so happy. 51:32 Kathlyn: That's so special... 51:34 Rosemary: It was very special... 51:36 I didn't... I didn't think she'd ever recognize us. 51:38 Kathlyn: Wow, yeah, yeah, you know, 51:40 there's a lot of great things to do on the Sabbath, 51:42 like, you mentioned, singing... 51:44 and one thing I did when I was on Maui 51:47 because I sometimes didn't have a lot of people 51:49 to keep the Sabbath with, 51:50 I would just go on hikes 51:52 and I started to really appreciate my alone time 51:54 at this stage in my life and I just memorized Scripture 51:57 which I know... I got the Scripture wrong earlier, so... 51:59 I would say, I have some more work to do 52:01 in memorizing my Scripture 52:02 but I loved to memorize Scripture 52:04 and even some Ellen White quotes and just quotes 52:06 and go for a walk so... and like you said, you know, 52:08 singing for people who aren't well and 52:11 yeah, like you said, it's a day of rest 52:14 and it's... 52:15 Rosemary: It's a day to make other people happy. 52:17 Kathlyn: Yeah... yeah... 52:18 Rosemary: To worship God and to let people know 52:21 that God cares for them by showing them that care. 52:24 Kathlyn: Yeah, yeah... absolutely. 52:25 Rosemary: We like to visit people on Sabbath, don't we? 52:27 John: Yup... 52:29 Rosemary: But right now, it's time that we have to give 52:32 you our contact details. 52:34 I hope you're enjoying our talk with Kathlyn Wolpin, 52:37 I'm enjoying it 52:38 and if you want to contact us 52:42 whether it's about this interview... 52:43 things that we've spoken about... 52:45 or you just want to contact us anyway 52:48 and maybe donate to help us keep on going 52:51 then, these are the details where you can contact us. 52:54 Music... 52:59 If you would like to contact 3ABN Australia, 53:01 you may do so in the following ways: 53:03 you may write to: 3ABN Australia PO Box 752 53:08 Morisset NSW 2264 Australia 53:12 that's: PO Box 752 Morisset NSW 2264, Australia 53:18 or you may call: 02-4973-3456 53:23 that's: 02-4973-3456 53:27 from 8:30 a. m. to 5 p. m. 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Kathlyn: Yeah. 57:35 Rosemary: And trying to help you. Kathlyn: Yeah. 57:37 Rosemary: I hope you've really enjoyed this talk with Kathlyn, 57:39 I know that I have 57:41 and I appreciate what she has to say to us 57:43 and we'll see you next time. |
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