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Series Code: NOW
Program Code: NOW200007S
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00:20 Welcome to our Program, 00:22 we're really glad you've joined us 00:24 because we've got something really special today. 00:27 I know I always say that but this time... 00:29 I mean, it is always true 00:32 but this time it's more true than ever 00:33 because we have a new thing that we're starting 00:37 at 3ABN Australia 00:39 and we want you to be involved. 00:41 Now, we have two people here who are our special guests today 00:46 and they have a very big role in what we've... 00:50 in what we are doing 00:51 and we're launching it today, aren't we? 00:53 Pastor Mike: We are... yeah, it's exciting. 00:55 Rosemary: This is Pastor Mike Browning 00:57 and Dr. Sven Ostring 01:00 and we're really glad that you're with us 01:02 because we're excited to show the people 01:05 what we've been doing. 01:06 Sven: It's good to be here as well. 01:08 Rosemary: Yes. 01:10 John: These two gentlemen that we just introduced 01:12 are involved with 3ABN 01:14 and I take my hat off to Pastor Mike Browning 01:16 because he's committed himself to do a program called: 01:19 "Let God Speak" 01:21 and right now, it's viewing all around the world, 01:23 in fact, everyone is accessing it 01:25 and we're hearing lots of good reports about it, 01:27 we'd like you... and encourage you to have a look at that 01:29 and Sven, you have been involved with another interesting program 01:33 on Evolution Impossible 01:37 and that is so popular... we had some statistics today 01:41 and both programs are being very much appreciated. 01:45 We thank you Gentlemen for being involved with 3ABN Australia. 01:48 Sven: You know, John, I actually heard today 01:51 that there was a mom who has an eight-year old boy 01:55 studying Science and in the church 01:59 wondering whether evolution is true... 02:02 whether he should abandon his faith and so I want to... 02:04 so, it's been a really... 02:06 it's been a blessing to be a part of a program 02:09 which being... promoting faith. 02:10 Rosemary: So, he has been watching it? 02:12 Sven: Well... we will... we will encourage him to watch it 02:15 but, you know, he... 02:16 he is comparing what we have in Science 02:18 and what we have in the Bible so... 02:20 we look forward to seeing young people get used to it... 02:22 use it as well. 02:23 Rosemary: That's a really good opportunity. 02:26 Now, you've got some Bible verses. 02:29 John: I've got a Bible verse, 02:30 Sven, I'm going to ask you questions about it 02:34 and it's found in Isaiah chapter 52 and verse 7. 02:37 The Bible says, "How beautiful upon the mountains 02:41 are the feet of him who brings good news, 02:44 who proclaims peace, 02:46 who brings glad tidings of good things, 02:50 who says to Zion, 'Your God reigns!'" 02:54 Sven: Hmmm... hmmm... 02:55 John, you know, this verse has such rich meaning for me, 03:01 I think every single line has something to say 03:04 to each one of us... 03:06 I mean, you know, having lived in New Zealand for... 03:08 for many years... the mountains are really beautiful 03:11 but in particular, it's talking about people 03:14 who are willing to... to go the distance... 03:17 face the... the challenges 03:19 to bring good news... the gospel... 03:22 to bring salvation as well 03:25 and I think that... that's really amazing 03:28 and it really focusses on the... the feet 03:30 and sometimes you wonder why... why... why the feet, 03:33 you know, what... what's so beautiful about the feet? 03:36 I mean, there's a whole sermon in this, John... 03:38 it's... it's really amazing 03:39 but if I were to boil it down and make it really simple 03:43 and not try and make it too complicated, Mike, 03:46 I think the thing is this, 03:47 is that "feet" means that you're actually getting up 03:51 off your seats and taking action. 03:53 You're... you're going somewhere. 03:56 Rosemary: Stepping out. 03:57 Sven: Stepping out... Mike: Doing something. 03:59 Sven: Exactly... exactly... 04:00 but you're doing it because you want other people 04:03 to hear the good news about Jesus 04:06 and... and not only the good news about Jesus... 04:09 a... a... a message of peace as well 04:12 in a troubled world 04:14 but also, I like this at the bottom as well 04:17 who tells the world, "Your God reigns... " 04:20 that there's a God in heaven who is sovereign 04:23 over the things on earth... 04:24 the things that are happening not just random... 04:27 there... there's actual... 04:28 there's a God who's watching over us 04:31 and for me, every single line has... has rich meaning. 04:35 I think it encourages us. 04:37 Let's be people who go to share the good news. 04:40 Rosemary: That's right. 04:41 John: And it's all good things. Sven: It is. 04:43 Rosemary: Now speak John, with the gospel shoes. 04:46 Sven: Exactly... exactly. 04:48 Rosemary: I've got one for you Mike, 04:51 it is Romans chapter 10 verses 14 and 15 04:55 and it goes with what Sven had, 04:58 "How then shall they call on Him 05:00 in whom they have not believed? 05:03 And how shall they believe in Him 05:06 of whom they have not heard? 05:08 And how shall they hear without a preacher? 05:11 And how shall they preach except they be sent? 05:15 As it is written: 05:17 'How beautiful are the feet of them 05:20 that preach the gospel of peace, 05:22 and bring glad tidings of good things!'" 05:25 Mike: Yes, we can... it's a fantastic Scripture 05:29 and I love the way that it builds on Isaiah's statement, 05:32 the one that you shared there, Sven, 05:35 it's just such a very simple message 05:38 and the message is... quite plainly there 05:40 in chapter 10 Romans... verse 14, 05:42 "How shall I call on Him in whom they have not believed? 05:46 And how shall they believe in Him 05:48 of whom they have not heard?" 05:50 You know, you think of your own experience 05:52 coming to the Lord, you know, 05:54 and if my now... we had buried my mother-in-law 05:58 just a couple of months ago at 99 years of age... 06:03 and if she hadn't been interested in sharing her faith 06:07 with a few wild Colonial boys up in New Guinea, 06:10 Rosemary: Like yourself... Mike: Like myself... 06:12 then, I wouldn't be sitting here today. 06:14 I wouldn't have had the joy of serving God with my life, 06:18 I mean... because she took the trouble and the time 06:22 to reach out to these young people... 06:24 reaching out to me, 06:26 so, you've got to... you've got to say something... 06:29 people need to hear 06:31 and... and then I love that statement from Isaiah 06:34 that Paul quotes here, 06:35 when he says, "How beautiful are the feet 06:38 of those who preach the gospel of peace. " 06:40 Sven: I want to share a secret with you, 06:42 when I was... when I got the message from Rosemary 06:45 over what Bible text would I like to bring out today, 06:48 I was actually thinking of this one 06:50 and then, something inside me said, 06:52 "Don't choose this one, go back to the... the one in Isaiah... " 06:55 Rosemary: The original. 06:57 Sven: and... and... and then when I... 06:58 when I got your reply from you... 07:00 both affirming the... the Bible verse that I had chosen 07:04 and then, you sharing this one, I thought... 07:06 Isn't this amazing... God was actually... 07:08 the Holy Spirit was speaking to both of us 07:10 in a way which is really united on sharing the gospel... 07:13 going and sharing the gospel. 07:15 Mike: Yeah, look at... you know, when God's people are sharing 07:18 the good news, mostly I find a stack. 07:21 Rosemary: Well, what we're talking about today 07:24 is a way that people can put on those gospel shoes 07:27 and go and spread the gospel where you are 07:31 in a very simple way 07:33 and Mike, I would like you to just give us a basic idea 07:37 of what we're talking about today... 07:40 how you began... 07:41 what has actually come to fruition now? 07:44 Okay, when I was in full-time ministry, 07:47 that is... employed in full-time ministry, 07:52 I've always asked the personal ministries men 07:55 and you've been a Personal Ministries man, Sven, 07:57 "Look, have we got any good tracts I can use 08:00 you know, out in my churches?" 08:01 And the answer was always, "No... " 08:04 believe it or not... it was a "No... " 08:06 and somewhere in the back of my mind I thought, 08:08 "I should do something about that... " 08:10 and... but I'm too busy... I have too much to do. 08:13 John: It's always an excuse isn't it? 08:15 Mike: But we'll always be too busy... isn't that true? 08:18 anyhow, the long and the short of it is... 08:20 ten years ago when we were asked to go out to Norfolk Island 08:26 to do some relief ministry out there, 08:28 that little voice came again, 08:30 so I said, "Right, we're going to do it. " 08:33 So, I started there... worked with Brendon Pratt... 08:36 fine young man who was in Personal Ministries 08:39 in Greater Sydney Conference at the time 08:41 and he was tremendous and we worked together... 08:43 and there were other people who contributed there 08:45 at the Greater Sydney Conference 08:47 and finally, Folks, we had those... 08:50 and... they... they... they were printed 08:54 mostly in Greater Sydney... there's the whole lot... 08:58 Rosemary: The five that you had at that time. 08:59 Mike: Okay, those are the five that we did. 09:01 Rosemary: It has grown. Mike: It has grown a lot. 09:03 They were good... they were a little bit dear 09:05 and maybe that was part of the reason why 09:07 it stayed within Greater Sydney as far as I know, 09:09 it stayed within Greater Sydney 09:10 but we felt... and I've been feeling for some time, 09:15 we need to make these more user friendly 09:17 and so, that's a little bit of the history 09:20 and we talked... I talked to you, John, and you Rosemary. 09:23 Rosemary: Well, I first saw these at a Sabbath lunch 09:27 when we were with Cecily and Barry Harker 09:31 when they were living in Barnell's Bay 09:33 and you were at the lunch... we were at the lunch... 09:36 some others were at the lunch 09:37 and you brought these out at the table and said, 09:39 "Here, have a look at these, everybody... " 09:41 well, I looked at them and I thought, 09:45 "Well, the content seems pretty good 09:48 but they don't look very interesting on the outside. " 09:52 Mike: Hmmm... hmmm... 09:53 Rosemary: And I don't know if I picked them up and really... 09:57 no, not all of them anyway... 09:58 and... and really have a look at them 10:00 if they weren't given to me to... to say, 10:03 "Here, have a look and say what you think. " 10:05 So, John said, basically, 10:09 "Well let's see what we can do working on them 10:11 and we'll try and make them look smart. " 10:16 Mike: Yeah, Yeah, and we started working didn't we 10:19 with Danielle Sinot 10:21 you asked her to do that when she was here and... 10:23 Rosemary: Yes, she started formatting the original. 10:25 Mike: Yeah, and did some good work 10:26 and it just went from there slowly but surely. 10:28 John: But it was slow. Mike: It was slow. 10:30 John: It's like, when... when something's good... 10:32 there's always some obstacles and you know, 10:36 we know who's good at that because... 10:37 Rosemary: One of them is... enough time too. 10:39 Mike: That's right, well everyone is busy, 10:40 let's face it... it's fitting the extra in. 10:42 John: But we did... we did complete the project 10:46 and we're very glad now to have... 10:49 and I have them in our hands, 10:51 they just arrived from the Printing Press last week 10:53 we ordered over... nearly 200,000 in fact, right? 10:58 And so, we're going to be talking about them today 11:01 and this is something everyone can have 11:03 as an evangelistic tool. 11:05 Mark's going to tell us a little bit... 11:06 we're going to go through one by one what they are about 11:10 and how you can use them. 11:11 Rosemary: Well, the original one you had was: Paradise... 11:15 Sabbath Peace in our Time... 11:17 Five Minutes After Death... 11:20 What's Wrong With the World? 11:21 and: The Journey of a Lifetime 11:23 but we ended up... finally when we got them printed, 11:29 we had ten... not five... we actually went to seven 11:33 but somehow Sven got involved 11:36 what happened, Sven? 11:37 Sven: I did... I did... well, 11:39 I got an e-mail from John one morning and he said, 11:43 "Based on the Evolution Impossible Series 11:47 that we produced or from that experience... " 11:49 and John and Mike as well, 11:52 you said, "How would you like to actually write this out 11:57 in a... a simple tract that could be communicated to 12:01 to secular people and... and young people as well... " 12:05 and I mean, John, you know that I have a real 12:08 passion for Creation. 12:09 John: Oh, I know you do. 12:11 Sven: And to write that was a... was a real joy and a privilege, 12:16 I must say, and... so... so I did that 12:19 and I guess it just kind of snowballed from there, right? 12:22 Mike: It should be mentioned, sorry... Rosemary, go on. 12:24 Rosemary: I was going to say then you came up with 12:26 a second one. 12:27 Mike: Before... before we get to that, can I just mention 12:28 that the e-mail came to you one day 12:32 asking you if you could think about that 12:34 and faster than a speeding bullet. 12:36 Rosemary: Yes, he had it back. 12:38 Mike: He had it back the next day, I couldn't believe it. 12:40 John: Neither could I and so, it was quite staggering. 12:43 Sven: I was trying to beat the speed of light. 12:45 Rosemary: We must also say 12:47 that you had first approached Dr. John Ashton on writing one 12:52 but sometimes you need to get someone... 12:55 I mean, he has so much information... 12:58 what does he put in there? 12:59 Mike: Yes, he did a good job actually with his... 13:01 but it was very technical and... and we... 13:05 and probably not suitable for your average lay person 13:08 who's just reading it and has no scientific background. 13:11 Sven: But what I would say is that John has actually proofread 13:15 this tract... and so... 13:17 he is... so, he is aware of what's in that 13:20 and he... he sees that it's scientifically valid 13:23 but it's also a good communication for the public. 13:26 Mike: Yeah, he told me he was very happy 13:27 with the work that you did on it. 13:29 John: You know what I like about these tracts, Mike, 13:30 is there's a lot of them out there... a lot of information 13:32 but this is really a Bible Study on this subject 13:35 using the Word of God to give clarification and detail 13:39 to what we're talking about. 13:41 Rosemary: But it's not done as a Bible Study 13:42 it's just done as something we can read through 13:44 and get the information with the Bible texts in there 13:48 but you went on and helped... 13:50 you were the main contributor for two more 13:52 so, you were really... the last three that we had... 13:55 you were involved with getting those written. 13:59 It was... the last one was a little bit of a group effort 14:03 after you had done the original 14:06 but these tracts have been something 14:10 we've been trying to get out for a long time... 14:12 a lot of people have been involved in editing 14:14 and in adding or... or adjusting 14:18 and you and I have spent a lot of time sitting down... 14:21 going through them together 14:23 and... and through e-mails 14:25 so, they've taken quite a bit of time 14:28 to get them done so that they're really good. 14:31 Mike: And readable... so people can read them readily, 14:34 follow them... 14:35 they're in point-form facts by the way 14:37 which makes it easy to follow 14:38 and yes, it's very Scripture focused. 14:42 Rosemary: And I know that with some of them Joel has spent time 14:45 looking for the appropriate photos 14:47 to go on the covers... 14:49 just as I have spent some time doing that as well. 14:52 I just want to say that on the back of all of them, 14:55 we have this... the code... 14:58 I don't remember what you call them... 15:00 Panel: It's QR Code. 15:01 Rosemary: QR Code... that's right, 15:03 so, people can hold their phone up to that 15:06 and they'll get the link to go to the 3ABN Australia website 15:10 so, then they can start finding out more about 3ABN Australia, 15:14 and watching programs... 15:15 more about what the tracts are about... 15:18 the things that are in them 15:20 and I think that they have been wonderfully done, 15:24 and they've turned out better than I had hoped. 15:27 I don't know about you, Mike. 15:29 Mike: I'm really thrilled with them, Rosemary, 15:31 the way they've come out 15:33 and just opening them up, they just look like... 15:34 they just look readable... 15:36 you don't open up and think, "Oh, it's a bit daunting... " 15:39 you know, "all those words... " 15:41 but no... it's readable. 15:42 You open them up just like that 15:45 and you read that... and you read that 15:47 and then you just close them in half and in half again 15:50 and they're like a Glow-Tract type of thing 15:53 but they're called: Insight 15:55 so, these are the Insight Tracts. 15:57 Sven: And the key is... 15:59 that we've really focused on making them simple and clear 16:03 so you... so that a person can, as you were saying, Mike, 16:05 you can... you can be sitting down at a train station 16:09 or a bus stop and just pull it out and have read. 16:13 Rosemary: And lunch break. 16:14 Sven: And you won't stumble over any words 16:15 but by the time you get to the end of it, 16:17 you'll know what the Bible wants to say to you 16:20 on that particular topic. 16:21 Rosemary: Hmmm... John, 16:23 now you want to go through them, don't you? 16:24 John: I do and as you can see, this is the first one, 16:29 it's called: "Why do Bad Things Happen?" 16:32 And you can see on the screen there... it's a crime scene... 16:35 that was one of the ones we've done, Mike, 16:38 for a specific reason 16:39 particularly right now, we have the COVID-19 virus 16:44 in this world... 16:46 and people are asking, "Why do bad things happen?" 16:48 So, there's an answer really 16:50 to most of the bad things that happen, wouldn't you say? 16:52 Mike: Yes, there is... there is, I mean, 16:53 nobody could avoid acknowledging that there is 16:56 a negative evil power in the world 16:58 and in this... in this little brochure we identify that path 17:03 and deal with how we can cope with 17:07 and actually find appropriate protection 17:11 and guidance through... through life 17:14 knowing that we have the power of God to protect us, 17:17 it's a very important thing. 17:18 Rosemary: In here... there are different headings in blue 17:22 and the headings to start this one 17:26 is: What is Wrong with the World? 17:29 Who is this enemy of God... Satan? 17:32 The Conflict moved to this earth. 17:35 Why didn't God get rid of Lucifer 17:37 before he did so much damage here on our earth? 17:39 What was God doing while Lucifer was taking over earth? etc. 17:45 and so, you're really telling the story 17:47 of the great controversy. 17:49 Mike: Yeah... hmmm... 17:50 Rosemary: You know, a small tract 17:52 that will give people the... the knowledge... 17:54 the basic knowledge of what is going on 17:57 and what God wants them to do because you start... 18:00 you finish off... "So then, what can you do now?" 18:03 Panel: Yeah... hmmm... 18:05 Mike: So there's a conflict between good and evil 18:07 on the earth, there's no question about it 18:09 and yes, we're right in the thick of it, quite.. 18:13 right in the thick of it right now and 18:15 for those who are interested in using these... 18:17 using these tracts... 18:18 I'd just like to mention... what did I do with that? 18:21 I just like to mention an amazing statement by 18:25 by a little lady named Ellen G. White... 18:28 and she says this, 18:30 "Publications must be multiplied... " 18:32 for those who are interested, it's Colporteur Ministry, page 5 18:35 "Publications must be multiplied... scattered 18:38 like the leaves of autumn... " 18:41 some will be familiar with that statement. 18:44 "These silent messengers are enlightening 18:47 and molding the minds of thousands in every country. " 18:50 because if you've got something in front of you 18:54 to look at... and to read, 18:55 you can think it through... 18:57 you can check for the answers 18:59 that obviously come into your mind... 19:00 you know, questions come in... 19:01 we want to know the answers. 19:03 Rosemary: Check the Bible verses. 19:04 Mike: And the Scripture is there yeah. 19:05 Sven: And the other thing, Rosemary, as well, 19:07 you know, thinking of a sales situation, 19:10 it's so important to... to have that invitation... 19:13 to take the next step... 19:14 so... so what Mike and I have done here 19:17 and together with your editorial team 19:20 is not just provide information, 19:22 but it's... as you said right at the end there, 19:25 "So, what will you do... what can you do right now?" 19:28 And I think that is really, really important. 19:30 How... how can we bring peace to the world 19:32 and peace to our heart is take the step towards Jesus. 19:36 Mike: Hmmm... 19:38 Rosemary: I think that this is a... 19:40 "Why do Bad Things Happen?" 19:42 is a really pertinent tract for the world today. 19:47 Panel: Hmmm... absolutely. 19:49 Rosemary: Anybody could hand to anybody they're talking to 19:52 if they have to go to the store to buy something, 19:56 they can give it to somebody at the checkout 19:58 or... or something. 20:00 Mike: Neighbors across the fence, 20:02 people are interested in the answers. 20:05 Rosemary: Yeah, it's something, "Why do bad things happen?" 20:06 people are interested in knowing, 20:08 "Why are these things going on?" 20:10 and that's a very good one for that. 20:12 What have you got next... what's the second one? 20:15 John: The second one is called: The Mark of the Beast 20:19 and as you can see there, 20:21 a lot of people have this idea that it's a... a bar code 20:26 or some 666 or something like that, 20:29 but the Bible is very clear and this... 20:32 this is a real answer to that particular question, 20:36 "What is the Mark of the Beast?" 20:38 And the tract deals with that 20:41 and I'm sure you will find it very, very interesting 20:44 and it will take you through 20:45 to the point where you will fully understand. 20:49 This is a... a one that's pretty pertinent today. 20:53 Mike: It is... it is. 20:55 John: And so, Mike, you wrote this one. 20:57 Mike: Yeah, I felt under a lot of pressure to put this on paper 21:00 and to have this one from the Lord, that is... 21:02 and people... like, if you ask even a good Bible student, 21:07 "Just give me in a... in a few moments 21:10 and tell me what the Mark of the Beast is... " 21:12 and a lot of people... even good Bible students 21:15 would struggle with that, so, this makes it real simple. 21:20 You just hand it to someone... 21:22 having read it yourself first preferably, 21:24 and made yourself familiar with it 21:27 and the answers are there 21:29 and the things that people need to know 21:31 and right now, with the earth basically in the turmoil 21:35 that it's in... 21:36 and all of us are wondering just where about are we 21:40 in the great stream of history as God sees it 21:43 and this is becoming, I think, very pertinent. 21:47 Sven: And the other thing is in... in Media 21:50 the... the whole concept of Mark of the Beast 21:53 and 666 is one of the... the symbols shall I say 21:56 which is quite well known 21:58 so... so it's something which would... as you're saying 22:02 kind of grab people's attention. 22:04 It's an interest point. 22:05 Rosemary: That's right. Mike: It is... yeah. 22:07 Rosemary: Very much so. 22:09 Mike: Apart from being something people need to know 22:12 and this deals with the issues the whole world will face 22:15 at the end of time... end of history. 22:17 John: The other thing I want to mention 22:19 on the back of the brochure itself... 22:21 the little tract it says... 22:22 it has some titles of the other Series that are available... 22:26 Rosemary: Of the other... other titles. 22:28 John: The other titles so, we'll be talking little bit 22:30 later on how you can get involved 22:32 and how you can get hold of these 22:35 and we want you to be involved. 22:37 It's like... you helping other people to know 22:40 what's in these tracts 22:42 and I'm thinking particularly, Pastor Mike, 22:44 about the people in the islands... 22:46 Papua New Guinea... Solomon... Fiji... 22:47 where they can have these tracts because they are 22:50 in a very specific language... 22:53 it's easy to understand 22:54 and it's easy to follow 22:56 and it's... it's backed from texts from the Bible. 22:58 Mike: Yeah... yeah... they're a good little Bible study. 23:01 Sven: And what I've really liked about this one, Mike, 23:03 was that you placed it in the big picture of the whole Bible 23:07 so, it wasn't necessarily a... 23:10 you know, just a kind of newspapers on one hand 23:14 and, you know, some sensational ideas on the other hand... 23:18 it was really right going from... 23:21 from the very first page of the Bible 23:23 effectively, Genesis... 23:24 and showing how there is a consistent pattern 23:27 with how we can show loyalty to God 23:31 and... and... and be faithful to Him 23:34 and I really appreciated that when I read through this... 23:36 this Insight Tract. 23:38 Mike: Excellent. 23:39 Rosemary: And the other thing just on that point 23:41 before we go on to any of the others... 23:45 we sent... well I sent these on PDF 23:50 to 3ABN's Pastoral Department 23:53 and asked them to have a look at them 23:57 to give a critique... 23:59 you know, what... what they thought... 24:00 and we also spoke to them... the whole... whole group 24:06 on a Conference Call one morning 24:08 and... 24:10 they said... they loved them... 24:11 Mike: This is the group in America. 24:13 John: Yes. Rosemary: This is in the U. S. 24:14 and they want 3ABN USA to produce these as well. 24:18 They say... they're so good... 24:20 they do the job so well... 24:23 they just have to change a little bit of spelling like, 24:25 if they have "favour" 24:27 they have to take the "u" out of favour 24:29 and make it "or" instead of "our" 24:31 and a bit of punctuation... 24:33 we do differently in Australia than what they do 24:35 small editing-type things but they are really interested 24:40 and Jill Morikone is interested in them doing it too, so... 24:45 and so we'll get their Executive Committee to discuss it 24:51 but I'm sure they will end up having these available also 24:53 in the US because they are so good 24:58 and their... their Pastoral Department have recognized 25:02 how good they are. 25:04 Mike: That's leaves-of-autumn stuff isn't it? 25:07 Panel: Hmmm... Rosemary: Hmmm... 25:09 John: And we need to spread these out as much as possible 25:12 to anywhere around the world 25:14 but the next one we're going to be discussing... 25:16 Rosemary: That's a very important topic... the next one. 25:18 John: Yes... 5 Minutes after Death 25:20 the Bible tells us, "The living know that they shall die" 25:22 we're all sitting here 25:24 we don't think about it unless we get older 25:26 that we're going to die 25:28 but what actually does happen five minutes after death? 25:31 And this... this little tract covers it very well. 25:35 I think, Pastor Mike, you did an excellent job 25:38 in bringing out exactly what happens to us when we die 25:43 and it's exciting... 25:45 it's exciting because life doesn't have to end here... 25:50 there is something beyond, isn't there? 25:52 Mike: There... there has to be, 25:54 we're all born with life 25:55 otherwise we wouldn't be sitting here 25:56 we are alive... but we don't have eternal life automatically 26:01 and that's a step of faith that we take 26:04 and that is why the Son of God, Jesus, came to the earth 26:08 to give us immortal life which we don't naturally have 26:11 but He is able to confer it upon us 26:14 and that's where our hope lies. 26:16 Rosemary: And the good news of this tract is: Number 6, 26:19 God has a cure for death. 26:21 Panel: Wonderful... hmmm... 26:23 Rosemary: And at a time when people are dying very easily, 26:26 people want to know what's going to happen when they die 26:30 or when their loved one has passed away, they want to know. 26:33 Mike: Yeah. 26:34 Sven: I was recently involved in producing 26:36 an Evangelistic Series for young people, 26:38 and early on we had focus groups 26:41 and one of the things they said to me 26:43 which I found quite interesting, they said, 26:45 "Young people are really interested 26:47 in what happens after you... after we die... " 26:50 you know, with all the zombies and all those kinds of things 26:54 and so we... we included a topic like this in the Video Series 26:59 but around... around that time we also went for a cruise... 27:03 don't go on a cruise right at the moment 27:05 but back then we did and we decided to... 27:08 to leave similar kind of tracts 27:11 in the chapel on the cruise 27:13 and it was very interesting, 27:15 we had a few different titles but it was the one on death 27:20 that actually was going like hotcakes 27:23 and so, so this is a very important one 27:26 and so I think it's really a very interesting... 27:29 you know young people would find it very interesting as well. 27:31 Rosemary: Everybody is faced with this issue... 27:34 there's not one human being who doesn't know 27:39 this is their fate 27:41 and we do have: Why do bad things happen? 27:46 We have: The Mark of the Beast 27:48 and other ones but this one... everybody faces 27:52 and it's actually on a daily moment. 27:54 You don't know when your time is up 27:58 whether you're a child... a baby even... 28:00 or whether you're an older person or someone in between 28:03 like, you know, your mother-in-law died at 99, 28:05 you never know when it's going to happen 28:08 but we all have to look this squarely in the face, 28:11 that's why it would be the popular one. 28:13 Mike: And not only that, there's a lot of fear in communities 28:17 and in some cultures it's stronger than others 28:19 about evil spirits and departed loved ones, ghosts and the like 28:24 this sorts that out very, very clearly. 28:28 The Bible is quite clear on that 28:30 and anybody who's got that kind of a fear... 28:33 that's where this little tract comes in. 28:35 Sven: Because they say the... 28:37 you know, the death rate with the COVID-19 virus 28:39 is what 1.5- 2% whatever it is 28:42 but, of course, if you're human, the death rate is a 100% 28:45 so, we do need to know... we really do need to know. 28:48 John: I like that... the next one we're looking at 28:52 is called: Paradise 28:53 and it's a little tract... it's very peaceful... 28:57 I like that picture... it's very peaceful 28:59 and, you know, when you've lived through a turmoil 29:02 in your life or on this world 29:04 it's good to know that there's a place 29:06 if you uphold what we understand from the Bible... 29:10 believing in Jesus and accepting Him as our Savior, 29:13 we will one day be in Paradise 29:16 and that's a... that's a... 29:18 Rosemary: And it will be a place of peace 29:20 and just to answer the question that Sven had before, 29:25 yes that swan was in the photograph... 29:28 it's not... we didn't put it in there... 29:30 it was already there. 29:32 Sven: That's amazing. 29:33 Rosemary: So, it is a place of peace... 29:35 Paradise is the place you want to be... God's Paradise. 29:38 John: Why did you entitle this tract: Paradise, Pastor Mike? 29:41 Mike: Because everybody wants to... to go to Paradise 29:45 and I think most people have a mental picture 29:48 of what Paradise might be like 29:50 and the Bible talks about Paradise. 29:52 You know, it's a place so different 29:55 from the sin-sick planet that we're on 29:57 with all the strife and trouble 29:58 and the disease and everything that goes 30:01 and the pain, by the way. 30:03 John: What I like about this tract... 30:05 it reveals how you can enjoy Paradise sometime in the future 30:09 and that's so important. 30:11 Mike: We are looking forward to that, aren't we? 30:13 That's our eternal home... we're destined for Paradise. 30:18 Rosemary: I like the way you finish this, 30:19 "Our loving creator has everything ready 30:23 for the biggest homecoming of all time. 30:25 He's just waiting for the RSVP 30:29 on your invitation. " 30:31 That's all He's waiting for... us to say, "Yes, I'm coming. " 30:36 Panel: Yeah... hmmm... 30:38 Rosemary: Don't be like those who didn't go to the 30:39 wedding feast because they've all the care 30:41 and married a wife 30:42 and had a big land to go and check, 30:44 say, "Yes, I'm coming. " 30:46 Mike: Hmmm... we've got to be decisive about this. 30:49 John: And it's your choice too by the way... 30:52 every one of us has a... an opportunity 30:54 to look at the Word of God... learn about... 30:57 go to the Bible... see what God has to say 30:59 and in the end of it... 31:00 God never intended us to be out of Paradise... 31:03 that's what it was like in the very beginning 31:04 in the Garden of Eden 31:06 and He's inviting you back there. 31:08 Rosemary: And you know what the best thing 31:09 about Paradise is? 31:10 God is there... 31:12 and God has reserved the biggest smile ever 31:16 for the day we get there. 31:18 John: I often... I often say to people, 31:20 "What's the difference between Paradise heaven or this earth?" 31:23 and really when you look at it, it's pretty simple... 31:26 it's the absence of evil. 31:27 There is no evil in Paradise. 31:29 Is there any goodness and joy and peace 31:33 that we really want to have on this earth... 31:35 it's going to be there. 31:37 Panel: Hmmm... yeah. 31:38 Sven: And John, your point before is really important. 31:41 I'm sure that Mike would back me on this, 31:45 is that these... these tracts are invitations 31:49 to go deeper into God's Word 31:50 so, it's kind of like a taste... taste of heaven. 31:55 It's a taste of what the Bible is telling us about Paradise... 31:59 about why... why the suffering and pain in this world 32:04 and so, so certainly what we've made it really clear... 32:08 the Bible text in here... 32:10 but, you know, people who read it... 32:13 they can go, "Well, I want to go home and... 32:14 and look it up on... on Google, you know, 32:18 Bible Gateway or YouVersion... whatever 32:22 to find out the full picture of what God is telling us... " 32:26 so that's one of the motives of the tracts or the goals. 32:30 John: Yes. Mike: Good. 32:31 Rosemary: The next one is: The Journey of a Lifetime. 32:34 Now, that's the journey I want to go on. 32:37 Panel: Hmmm... yes. 32:38 Rosemary: I... you know... it doesn't where on earth you go 32:40 as we upward... if you're going to go... 32:43 or whether you're going to go upward... 32:46 but that's the one I want to be in 32:47 and I really do like this picture, 32:49 the person is looking up into that beautiful heaven 32:53 that God has put out there for us to look at 32:56 and that's where the journey is going to go... 32:59 it's going to take us up into that heaven... 33:02 a journey of a lifetime when Jesus comes back. 33:05 John: You know, we think we go on a cruise on a boat... 33:07 that's a journey... 33:09 we think we get on an airplane... 33:10 that's another journey... 33:12 but this one... you're not going to have a boat or an airplane, 33:14 you are going to ascend to meet the Lord in the clouds. 33:17 Rosemary: The feet will leave the ground. 33:18 John: The feet will leave the ground. 33:20 Mike: Now, the second coming of Christ again to this earth 33:23 to basically bring to fruition everything He achieved for us 33:27 on the cross of Calvary. 33:28 That's been the hope of the Christian church for 2,000 years 33:32 and there are a lot of reasons to believe 33:34 that we are getting very close to that event 33:37 so, this becomes very relevant. 33:39 John: Very close to the journey of a lifetime... 33:40 truly in every sense. 33:42 Rosemary: People are trying to find ways 33:43 to get off the Planet Earth 33:45 and get in a rocket ship of some kind 33:48 and go to the Moon or the Mars or something 33:50 but, hey, I think we've got a better deal here. 33:53 We're not just getting off this earth... 33:55 we're going to Paradise. 33:57 Panel: Hmmm... hmmm... hmmm... 33:58 Rosemary: And this earth will be made new 34:00 and we will live on a brand-new earth 34:02 and I think that... 34:04 that journey to go to heaven for a 1,000 years 34:06 is something worth looking forward to. 34:08 John: Rosemary is not just saying that 34:10 if you go to the Word of God and spend some time in it, 34:13 that's what God is offering to us 34:15 so, it's not just some fleeting thought that we have, 34:19 or some funny Christian idea, it's a Bible teaching 34:22 and God wants you to know about it 34:24 and so, this tract will help you to understand it more clearly. 34:28 Sven: Hmmm... you know with all of the... 34:30 the world events being canceled at the moment... 34:32 the Olympics... Wimbledon... 34:34 this is one event that will never be cancelled. 34:36 Rosemary: That will never be cancelled 34:38 and it will be right on time. 34:41 Panel: Yes. 34:43 Rosemary: Yeah, not a moment late... not a moment earlier. 34:45 God knows no delay and no haste... 34:48 or no haste or no delay... however it says it. 34:51 Panel: Hmmm... 34:53 John: I think we talk about God 34:55 and we talk about, you know, Jesus and all that 34:58 but you know, you have an opportunity 35:00 to not only talk about them, you can actually talk to them 35:04 and the next tract that we have is: 35:06 Experiencing God's Presence through Prayer 35:10 and prayer really is talking to someone like... 35:14 talking to God like to a friend. 35:16 Mike: Yeah, to a Father... in fact. 35:18 John: That's right, and so, that's the good thing... 35:20 is talking to someone as a friend 35:22 and so, when you talk to someone as a friend, 35:25 you open up and you tell them everything, 35:27 that's what happens... 35:28 husbands and wives in particular. 35:30 It's a... it's a real good little tract 35:33 and prayer is very essential in the Christian walk 35:37 and I think it's more important as we come closer 35:40 that when we see things happening around us right now 35:42 like they are... 35:44 that we really get closer to God and talk with Him 35:46 because He will bring you peace. 35:48 Panel: Yes... hmmm... 35:49 Sven: And the other thing I found, John, as well 35:51 is that... you know when you are talking with Atheists 35:55 or skeptics or Muslims or Hindus 35:59 you know, they may say "No" to a theological discussion 36:06 or a Bible Study 36:07 but they'll never say "No" to prayer... 36:09 that there's a sense of... even if you are an Atheist 36:13 you'll still, "Well, I'll give prayer a go" 36:15 and so, this is an amazing opportunity 36:18 just to introduce secular people 36:21 to a God who really cares about them 36:23 and... and invite them to give a go to... 36:26 to just experience what God can do in their lives. 36:28 Rosemary: And those who have had a father in this life 36:33 that they'd rather forget 36:34 who have a hard time relating to a father, 36:40 they've either never known their father 36:42 or their father may have been very abusive 36:43 in one way or another 36:45 they can be... through prayer, as you said, 36:52 they can talk to a father but it's a heavenly Father 36:55 a loving Father... 36:58 a Father who wants them to be with Him forever... 37:01 a Father who invites us to have a relationship with Him 37:03 good... happy... loving relationship. 37:06 Mike: The kind of Father that they always wanted... 37:10 Panel: Hmmm... hmmm... Mike: Yeah. 37:12 Rosemary: So, that's what prayer is about. 37:13 Mike: Yeah. 37:15 Sven: And also, I think another thing, Rosemary, as well 37:16 is that as we head towards the end of time... 37:19 as I read Great Controversy 37:22 one of the really important things is 37:25 that we're connecting with God through prayer. 37:28 I mean for... whether you're a secular person 37:31 or a person of faith, 37:32 you can see things happening in the world 37:34 and we can wonder... "Are we prepared? 37:36 Are we ready for what's going on?" 37:39 In fact, I was talking with a... a young person this morning 37:44 lost... lost his job... 37:46 and... and he... what do I do? 37:50 And I think, prayer is the... the key 37:52 to... to know that God is going to protect us 37:54 and so, people will be really blessed by this tract. 37:59 John: Yes. 38:00 Mike: I think it's worth mentioning some of the issues 38:01 that are dealt with in this tract, 38:03 the power of... on how to claim God's promises, 38:06 the power of praying with other people, 38:09 not just on your own... 38:11 the power of praying in Jesus' name. 38:13 That's... you know that's a very important and powerful thing 38:16 How to understand God's will in prayer... 38:19 praying for healing and so on... 38:21 so there's a lot of very important areas 38:24 of the spiritual life. 38:25 Rosemary: Praying for rescue and help... 38:27 Praying for the Holy Spirit... 38:28 there are a number of different things 38:32 but then there's a good... 38:33 very important one on the back... Giving Thanks... 38:36 Panel: Hmmm... 38:37 Rosemary: Must always remember to give thanks. 38:39 John: God wants us to communicate with Him... 38:41 that's been His plan from the very beginning 38:43 but because of the problems that we've experienced in our lives, 38:47 sometimes we don't really know God to turn to Him, 38:50 I encourage you to turn to Him... 38:53 in these times in particular... turn to Him 38:55 and ask Him for help... 38:56 ask Him for direction and He will answer your prayers. 39:01 We are promised that in God's Word. 39:03 Panel: Hmmm... hmmm... 39:05 Rosemary: Now, the most important day of the week... 39:06 the Sabbath... 39:08 this one is: Sabbath Peace in Our Time. 39:11 Now, that to me is a very peaceful picture. 39:14 Just... what a beautiful Sabbath afternoon that would be 39:18 or some people... Sabbath morning before going to church 39:23 just sitting and looking at something like that 39:24 would just bring peace 39:26 and the Sabbath is a day of peace... 39:28 it's a... has the special blessing all of its own. 39:31 I love the Sabbath... it's my favorite day 39:35 and I'm grateful it comes every seven days 39:38 so, I can keep on enjoying it 39:40 and not just have it once and that's the end of it 39:43 but every seven days... I can enjoy the Sabbath 39:46 and it's a very special time 39:48 and this tract tells people about the Sabbath 39:52 and you've got a number of different headings 39:56 in this one too as a symbol of our salvation... 40:01 how we're going to spend Sabbath in eternity 40:05 and what day is the Sabbath... 40:07 you know, there's... 40:09 many different topics that you've got here... 40:11 one of the benefits of the Sabbath 40:13 and you've got a list there of those things. 40:15 Has it been changed... 40:17 the weekly cycle... has it been changed? 40:20 So you answer those sorts of questions in this tract. 40:22 Mike: Yes. Rosemary: It's very good. 40:24 Mike: Primarily, of course, the Sabbath is to give us a vehicle, 40:28 a time to seek the presence of God 40:31 our Father in heaven and to know Him. 40:34 Rosemary: And... to do it with other people. 40:36 Mike: Yes, that too... it gives us time... 40:39 well, it gives us time for fellowshipping with friends 40:42 and family... and it's an absolutely beautiful day. 40:45 No wonder God gave it at the creation 40:47 because if ever we needed it, it is now. 40:49 Rosemary: Well, it was Adam and Eve's first full day of life. 40:51 Mike: It was... 40:52 Rosemary: They were created on the sixth day... 40:54 during the sixth day... 40:55 the seventh day was their first full day... 40:57 so what a beautiful first full day! 40:59 Spent the day in a special way with God. 41:01 John: I like the way the Bible said, 41:03 "The Sabbath was made for man 41:04 and not man for the Sabbath. " 41:06 God already saw ahead of time 41:08 that He wanted to spend time with us. 41:10 It's also the memorial of God's creation, 41:13 you know, all those aspects are revealed in here 41:16 and I'm sure you'll be very blessed 41:18 and sometimes I've heard people say, 41:21 "Oh what does it matter if you worship on Sabbath or Friday 41:24 or whatever day of the week?" 41:26 But God set is aside and He wants... He wants to bless us 41:29 on that particular day 41:31 and if you haven't experienced the blessing 41:34 of keeping God's day holy on the Sabbath, 41:36 then I encourage you to consider looking at that seriously 41:40 and this tract will help you understand 41:41 a little bit more about it. 41:43 Panel: Hmmm... hmmm... hmmm... 41:44 Sven: One other thing... 41:45 coming back to what you were saying, Rosemary, 41:47 is that... as I have studied the fourth Commandment 41:50 one of the things I've seen is that the... 41:53 the Sabbath Commandment is all about 41:55 who you need to share the Sabbath blessing with. 41:57 Rosemary: Hmmm... 41:59 Sven: And I think this is really important... 42:01 it's not just about me as you were saying, Mike, 42:02 it's about who we can share Sabbath rest 42:06 and so, this tract can actually be part of fulfilling 42:10 the... the Sabbath command, 42:11 they say, "Hey, I want to invite you to come and join me and us 42:16 with Sabbath rest as well 42:18 and the other really fascinating thing 42:19 that I've seen, John, as well 42:21 is that there are indeed whole churches... whole congregations 42:26 which were previously worshipping on Sunday 42:30 and suddenly their Pastor hears about the Sabbath 42:34 and he shares it with the congregation... 42:37 the whole church decides to keep the Sabbath, 42:39 it's really amazing 42:41 and this is a phenomenon which is happening 42:42 right around the world 42:44 and so, we look forward to seeing many people... 42:47 many more people experiencing the blessing of Sabbath. 42:49 Rosemary: That's right because it is a blessing 42:52 when you do it God's way, it's always a blessing. 42:54 When I was a Sunday-Keeper, 42:56 I would do some stuff in the morning, 42:58 gardening or something... 43:00 go and get changed into my church clothes... go to church, 43:02 spend my time there... 43:04 come home and get back into my garden clothes 43:06 and keep on doing the gardening. 43:08 Sven: Go shopping... 43:09 Rosemary: Yeah... go to the market 43:11 but now-a-days on Sabbath we will go and visit people 43:15 or we would... we try to have people over for lunch, 43:19 of course, we're not doing that at the moment 43:20 but we would try to be... you know, 43:22 show hospitality in a way that we don't get to during the week 43:24 and spend time with people. 43:26 Sven: Or give out tracts. 43:27 Mike: It's a time... it's a lovely time to fellowship 43:30 on the Sabbath but... 43:32 but ultimately, we need to take the opportunity 43:35 that God gives us... to quietly go before Him in prayer 43:39 and in... and in just taking the Scripture in our hands 43:42 and reading it quietly and talking to the Lord 43:46 about what we're reading as we go 43:48 and there's... that is the chief goal of the Sabbath, 43:54 it's time with God 43:55 but it has all these other areas as well. 43:57 Rosemary: And time to show God to other people. 43:59 John: And in those areas, it's not just yourself, 44:01 it's also your family 44:02 because you express by your actions to your children 44:06 and to your grandchildren 44:08 that you really believe and follow a God 44:11 and you want them to 44:12 so, it's important that we understand... 44:14 Sabbath is not just only worshipping with God, 44:17 it's worshipping with God with your family 44:19 and children learn from principles that we expound 44:24 not just what we say but what we do also. 44:27 Mike: And Sabbath is a guarantee that we worship a personal God 44:31 who's actually interested in us and having time with us. 44:35 Rosemary: Yeah, because He's invited us to do it. 44:38 The... this eighth tract has, for me, 44:42 the most amazing picture on the cover. 44:47 I like all the pictures but this one is just... 44:50 I don't know... there's just something special. 44:52 Is that: Evolved or Designed? 44:55 The first thing I see is the colorful face on that 44:58 and then, I realize it's actually the wings of a moth. 45:01 Panel: Hmmm... 45:02 Rosemary: And every time I first see that colorful piece, 45:06 that's what stands out... is it a horse or is it a... 45:10 it is the wings of a moth, is that evolved or designed? 45:15 Panel: Hmmm... 45:16 Rosemary: It has to be designed. Panel: Yes. 45:18 Rosemary: And... and in here, Sven, you do a really good job 45:22 of setting out different points that people can go through 45:27 to see why we could not have evolved 45:32 and, you know, one of the things I hadn't really thought 45:34 too much about was human consciousness... 45:38 where did that come from? 45:39 And, you know, there's a section on that 45:42 which really is very thought provoking. 45:44 Mike: It was very good. 45:46 Rosemary: Very, very good. 45:47 Sven: Yeah, Rosemary, in writing this tract 45:50 I really wanted to build it up from the foundation 45:53 and we've been doing this all the way through 45:55 but really to... to start... Where is the origin of life? 45:59 Why does anything exist at all? 46:02 But then, step by step to build it up from DNA 46:06 and proteins through to... to... it would just be complex systems 46:11 like the blood-clotting system. 46:13 Rosemary: And that is an amazing thing that you've written there, 46:15 about that, I mean... 46:17 that is just profound when you really think about it. 46:20 What came first? It's like the chicken or the egg 46:23 what came first in the blood-clotting system? 46:26 Sven: Yeah, and that's the whole thing 46:27 with logistically-complex systems... 46:29 because you just can't have part of a system... 46:31 you can't... it's that classic mouse-trap idea, you know, 46:34 you can't just have a spring or... or the board... 46:36 it just doesn't work... 46:38 and so, the concept with the blood-clotting system 46:41 is that... it all works together 46:43 and... and for... for researchers who know 46:46 who've studied this... probably a better way of putting it, 46:49 studied how the blood-clotting system works. 46:52 They recognize that they have no idea how it originated 46:59 in terms of... from an evolutionary sense 47:01 but the Bible tells us who actually created... 47:04 but you're absolutely right 47:06 going back to the human consciousness. 47:08 here in Australia, David Chambers... 47:11 Chambers at Australian National University 47:14 down in Canberra... the top research institute 47:18 has a... the world's leading center in human consciousness 47:22 but he's described it as... as the hard problem in Science, 47:27 you know, how are we... how are we conscious? 47:30 Are we... are we just random groups of atoms 47:34 that... that process information 47:37 or do we really know that we are here? 47:39 And what it does is it says that, 47:41 you know, if we are conscious 47:43 and we are aware of what's happening 47:47 and we can create... we can make decisions... 47:51 then that points us to a higher consciousness 47:54 which is God Himself... 47:55 points us to design... 47:57 Panel: Very good. 47:59 This is a really good tract for people that you know 48:03 who don't believe in creation... in design 48:09 but it's also for those who are asking questions... 48:14 our young people... an eight-year old child... 48:16 they need these things 48:19 so that they can be sure of why they believe in the Bible 48:23 let alone those who don't believe in the Bible 48:25 they need it too. 48:27 Sven: Yes, and we also Rosemary... 48:28 we also touch on the concept of Theistic Evolution 48:31 where... we say, "Well, did God use evolution... 48:35 the billions and millions of years of life 48:39 evolving over time?" 48:40 And we address that as well 48:42 because it's very important... the Bible says, 48:43 "In six days, God created the heavens and the earth 48:46 and all that is in them. " 48:48 And so, we... we look at that as well... 48:50 we don't want to leave any stone unturned... as they say. 48:52 Rosemary: And said, "The evening and the morning 48:54 was a day... " 48:56 it wasn't millions of years or thousands of years... 48:59 it was an evening and a morning. 49:01 Sven: Yes. 49:02 John: I like the next one that you were also involved in, Sven, 49:06 and it's called: The Fingerprints of God's Messiah 49:09 you know, when I think of a fingerprint, 49:10 I think of a crime scene, 49:11 you know, they go around and find... 49:13 what are you trying to do? 49:14 You're trying to find out who... who did it? 49:17 And so, the Bible has fingerprints of God 49:19 right through it... 49:20 Sven: Yes. 49:22 John: And you can go there in the Word of God 49:23 and you can check it out... 49:24 I mean, and the Old Testament points very clearly 49:27 to Jesus Christ... the Messiah. 49:29 Sven: Hmmm... 49:31 John: So, you had a great time writing this, I know. 49:32 Sven: Absolutely. 49:34 Rosemary: How did... how did you work out 49:35 which of the prophecies of Jesus' coming 49:37 that you were going to use because there were so many, 49:39 you've used ten there as a... as a teaser. 49:43 Sven: Yeah look... look Rosemary that's a really... 49:45 it was a hard choice... a hard choice 49:48 because there's literally hundreds of prophecies. 49:51 You know the angel said to John in the book of Revelation, 49:55 he said to John, "For the spirit of prophecy 49:59 is the testimony of Jesus... " 50:01 and, look, that's a very deep topic in and of itself, 50:03 I mean, Mike and I could have a Bible Study right here, 50:06 but the reality is that... that what it added... 50:09 just a simple level, what it's saying is 50:11 the whole book... 50:13 the whole Bible is all telling us the story of Jesus, 50:17 just from a very simple... just quick one-liner 50:21 and.. and so really what... what I did is, I thought, 50:25 well, I'll go through the story of Jesus... 50:26 you know, His ancestry... His... how He was conceived... 50:30 his birthplace... where he worked... 50:33 where He did his ministry... 50:35 what happened at the end of His life as well, 50:38 and... and just list them all out... and the fact is... 50:40 when you put all of these fingerprints down... 50:43 if you go through the Old Testament... 50:46 what you find is that they all point to Jesus... 50:49 they all point to Jesus. 50:51 Rosemary: They do and... and if He... 50:53 for one person to fulfill so many prophecies so perfectly... 50:58 I heard the other day again the figure 51:00 and I can't remember what it was... 51:02 even though I wrote it down 51:04 but it was something like a 10 to a 127th... the power of... 51:08 whatever... it's... it's so many zeroes after the ten 51:12 that you couldn't even write them all 51:15 for one person to fulfill them all 51:17 and to fulfill them so perfectly. 51:20 Well, it's interesting that... 51:22 that a mathematician, Peter Stoner, 51:24 has made the calculation, 51:26 he said if... if we covered all of New South Wales 51:29 with silver coins and... to... to the depth of half a meter, 51:33 and then blindfolded one of us... 51:36 we could pick who that might be 51:37 and then give you however long you want 51:39 but then you have one chance to pick up that one coin, 51:42 that's the same prophecy as eight... 51:44 that's the same probability 51:45 that eight prophecies were fulfilled... 51:47 it's incredible... incredible. 51:49 John: Yeah, it's amazing! You know we started out... 51:51 Rosemary: What I want to do right now 51:53 is go to an address roll before we look at Number 10. 51:57 So, we're going to the address roll now 52:00 and I'm... I want to give you this detail 52:03 and ask you to write it down 52:04 because we're going to be telling you about 52:06 how you can get these after... 52:09 in the final few minutes of this Program 52:12 so, here is your address roll 52:13 so you can contact us about these tracts 52:15 or anything else you need to contact us about with 3ABN... 52:18 make a donation... whatever... 52:19 here it is... 52:21 Music... 52:25 If you would like to contact 3ABN Australia, 52:27 you may do so in the following ways, 52:29 you may write to: 52:30 3ABN Australia PO Box 752 52:34 Morisset NSW 2264 Australia 52:37 that's Post Office Box 752 52:41 Morisset NSW 2264 Australia 52:45 or you may call: 02-4973-3456 52:49 that's: 02-4973-3456 52:53 from 8:30 a. m. to 5 p. m. 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Fridays, New South Wales' time. 53:02 You may also e-mail us at: mail@3abnaustralia. org. au 53:08 that's: mail@ the number 3 53:11 abnaustralia all one word 53:13 .org. au 53:15 Thank you for all you do to help us light the world 53:18 with the glory of God's truth. 53:20 Pause... 53:21 I hope you got all those details 53:23 because it's very important... 53:25 we would like you to contact us about these Insight Tracts 53:29 and we're speaking with Pastor Mark Browning 53:32 and Dr. Sven Ostring 53:34 and we just want to tell you that these are available now 53:39 and we're going to talk about the last one 53:40 just in the brief moments we have left. 53:42 To start out, we talked about the Mark of the Beast 53:45 and one of the things that I really wanted to... 53:48 people to understand... 53:49 well, we're talking about The Mark of the Beast... 53:52 it's good to know who is the Beast 53:54 and Sven, you took that on 53:57 because that was quite a challenge isn't it? 53:58 Sven: Yes, it was a... it was a good challenge. 54:01 and... I... I enjoyed writing this 54:05 based on my experience with the other two tracts as well 54:09 but the good thing is, John, is when we write something 54:13 on something as big and complex as important 54:17 as: Who is the Mark of the Beast?" 54:19 We need to do it together as a team 54:20 and that's what we did... 54:21 Mike came in to.. to the office 54:23 and we worked together on this... 54:26 it was very, very... 54:27 Rosemary: And Dr. Allan Lindsay. 54:29 Sven: Yes... yes... 54:30 and so, I'm... I feel that through teamwork 54:33 we've really achieved something very... 54:35 very good in this tract. 54:38 Mike: We were very conscious that he had... 54:39 to get this right because it's a very sensitive subject 54:43 and area to be dealing with 54:44 and I think it's come out very well... 54:45 I think it's God's will that this should be out. 54:47 Rosemary: It had to be dealt with sensitively. 54:50 John: I know... I know... 54:51 I also know... Pastor Mike wants to share with you 54:54 how you can use these tracts 54:56 and we want to encourage you to use them 54:58 in the way we're going to describe 55:00 and they're going to be available here. 55:02 I'm going to mention before he does talk 55:04 that we've decided to... to make these available 55:07 through two means... 55:08 one... you can donate 55:10 so that other people who can't get ahold of these 55:12 at such a cheap rate... 55:15 to you to be involved in getting them out 55:18 into different parts of the world 55:19 like, for us in the South Pacific... 55:21 to go out in the Islands 55:22 and we would like you to consider donating for them. 55:27 We're only charging $7 per 100... 55:30 that's 7 cents for each little tract. 55:33 The idea of that is... we just want to be able to continue 55:36 to duplicate them 55:37 and get them out like the leaves of autumn 55:38 but Mike, tell us how you see how we could use them. 55:41 Mike: Okay, look, that's what we do want to see. 55:44 Folks, we've got to get these out there 55:46 and the more that we do that... 55:48 the more impact it's going to make on the community. 55:51 These can be letter boxed, I would like to suggest 55:54 that the ones on the Beast and the Mark of the Beast... 55:57 that we be... 55:58 that we be sensitive about where we put these 56:01 and they'd be more suitable to give to people 56:04 whom you know personally 56:05 and perhaps you've talked to about spiritual things before 56:07 and about the Bible 56:09 but to letter box tracts on the 2nd Coming of Christ... 56:13 What happens when you die... 56:14 Prayer... 56:15 and: Why do bad things happen? 56:18 In fact, that would be a good one to start with 56:20 if you're letter boxing. 56:21 Rosemary: And even Evolved or Designed... 56:23 Mike: Yes, that's a great concern. 56:26 There are plenty... amongst these ten 56:29 there are any number of those that you could regularly put out 56:34 and put in letter boxes... 56:35 preferably give them to the people that you know 56:38 because they're going to be more inclined to read them 56:41 if you do that. 56:43 John: So you want to see them go in letter boxes... 56:45 Mike: I want them out there like the leaves of autumn 56:47 that's right... yeah... 56:48 because... and particularly I mean, in the current climate 56:52 with the health crisis that we have in the entire world 56:55 at the moment, 56:57 the one on: Why bad things happen? 56:59 surely has got to be very relevant to people 57:00 and I think you'll find they'll be interested 57:02 if you put that in the letter box first. 57:04 Rosemary: That's right, so what we want you to do 57:07 is, if you go on our website, we're going to have a place 57:10 where you can donate to have these available 57:13 to other people who... you know, in the Islands or wherever, 57:16 and then also you can contact us... go on our store 57:21 or phone in here at 3ABN Australia 57:24 and contact us for buying these 57:28 and we will have them in different amounts 57:30 so that you can do that. 57:32 Seven cents a tract... 57:34 God has blessed... 57:35 thank you Mike and Sven for all you have done 57:38 and for being here today 57:40 and we look forward to seeing you again next time 57:42 and may God richly bless you. |
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