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Series Code: NOW
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00:15 This is 3ABN NOW,
00:17 with John and Rosemary Malkiewycz. 00:21 Hello and welcome to today's program. 00:23 We're so glad that you've joined us 00:25 and we know that you'll enjoy listening to the stories today. 00:29 We have a lovely couple with us 00:30 that we've known for quite a while 00:32 and camp meetings and in church 00:34 and is Pastor Clive Nash and his wife Monica. 00:38 Welcome to today's program. 00:40 I'm glad you're here. 00:42 We're going to hear some stories about yourselves 00:43 and some of the stories 00:45 I'm just really looking forward to telling them, 00:47 and we're going to hear about your families as well 00:49 and how they came into the truth because they're 00:52 really good stories. 00:54 And Pastor Clive James made the comment with your wedding 00:57 photo that you haven't changed, 00:58 you still even have your hair the same way. 01:01 Oh, that's very kind. 01:03 You know, I think some things are filled out 01:05 and other things are frown out, so. 01:08 Are you hinting? 01:10 That's what happens when we get older, 01:12 I know, and color of our hair changes too if you've got it. 01:15 Yeah. 01:16 It's really good to have you both here. 01:18 Because I'm, I really like 01:19 and I believe God works wonderfully to reveal things 01:23 through people's lives. 01:25 You know, we start out, we're on a journey, 01:27 who knows where we're going to end up. 01:29 But the Bible is very clear. 01:30 If we remain faithful to Him, we will end up 01:33 and be with Him in the earth made new and that's exciting. 01:36 And these, all of us here 01:38 really believe in that we're on a journey. 01:41 And we're heading toward the homeland 01:43 which God is preparing for us. 01:45 You know, and before we start, 01:47 I'd like to read a passage of scripture 01:50 that Pastor Clive Nash has chosen, 01:52 it's 1 Peter 1:3-5, 01:56 and we read, 01:58 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 02:01 which according to his abundant mercy 02:03 hath begotten us again unto a lively hope 02:07 by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 02:11 To an inheritance incorruptible, 02:13 and undefiled, 02:15 and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 02:18 who are kept by the power of God 02:21 through faith unto salvation 02:24 ready to be revealed in the last time." 02:27 Beautiful text, Pastor Clive. 02:29 Tell us why you chose this text? 02:32 Well, John, I like the anticipation of this text 02:37 and the hope that it brings. 02:41 All made possible as it says there in verse 3 02:43 through the resurrection of Jesus. 02:46 And I think Peter is kind of training himself to try 02:51 and find the words to express this hope, you know, 02:54 he says, it's an inheritance, incorruptible. 02:57 Undefiled. That's not good enough. 03:00 Undefiled. 03:01 And he said, it does not fade away, 03:04 reserved in heaven. 03:06 You know, it seems as though 03:07 he's just trying to what can I say, 03:10 you know, about this wonderful hope. 03:11 Trying to find the right word. 03:13 Nothing describes it adequately. 03:15 Don't you desire to be there? Yeah. 03:17 That's the whole thing. Yeah. 03:18 And it's reserved in heaven for you and for me. 03:22 For anyone who wants it. 03:25 That's the wonderful thing about salvation. 03:28 Monica, you've chosen Psalm 46:1, 2, and 11. 03:32 And I'm going to read those for you. 03:35 Says, Psalm 46. 03:39 Yeah, Psalm 46:1, 2, and 11. 03:42 "God is our refuge and strength, 03:45 a very present help in trouble. 03:47 Therefore will not we fear, 03:49 though the earth be removed, 03:51 and though the mountains be carried 03:52 into the midst of the sea. 03:55 The Lord of hosts is with us, 03:57 the God of Jacob is our refuge." 04:01 Beautiful words, but why did you choose them? 04:03 Well, I chose that because I guess it's sort 04:07 of part of my family history. 04:09 When I think back to my great great grandfather, 04:12 who came out from Germany because of persecution in 1838, 04:17 he came to South Australia. 04:19 And I thought of that, 04:21 because I've often thought of that. 04:22 And it was one of my own grandfather's favorite texts 04:25 that he used to read for opening Sabbath. 04:28 And it shows that God is present with us. 04:32 He's always there. 04:33 You know, He says, I am. 04:36 And it's present tense. God is not. 04:38 He's in the past, but He's with us right now. 04:41 And that's important to me. 04:43 So this was persecution in Germany? 04:45 Yes, yeah. 04:47 Why were they being persecuted for? 04:49 Because so they didn't want to join the state religion. 04:53 And so they decided to leave and come to South Australia. 04:57 At the same time, lots of them, 04:59 lots of East Germans went to America as well. 05:02 So we've got people by the same family name in America, 05:07 who we've never met, probably will never meet. 05:09 Now, John's got the same with his family too. Yeah. 05:12 They left Europe after the Second World War. 05:15 They are in displaced persons' camps in Germany 05:20 and within the government's accepted and different might, 05:24 some of my aunties went to America. 05:27 My mum and dad came to Australia. 05:29 And I think, you know, when you think of that, 05:32 to make that journey to a place you don't know, 05:35 it's really amazing you know? 05:38 And I just had a suitcase and my oldest brother, 05:41 that was it. 05:42 So and it's... 05:44 Yeah, it's intriguing, because I believe a lot 05:45 of those people actually made 05:48 the foundation for Australia. 05:49 They are the ones that worked hard and gave everything. 05:54 To know that God is a present help, you know, at all times, 05:58 not just time of trouble. 05:59 That's right. Yeah. 06:01 Now, let's start with you, Clive. 06:05 You're going to tell us about 06:07 what happened with your parents. 06:08 And this is a really interesting story. 06:11 We have a photo of your mum and dad's wedding. 06:14 And it's just beautiful. 06:16 Well, the year was 1927. 06:18 And those people do know the roaring 20s. 06:21 Yes. 06:23 Probably be able to tell a little bit about the bridal 06:26 dress there though, the length of the skirt. 06:29 Yes. 06:30 And the veil is probably longer than the skirt. 06:32 Probably, yeah. 06:33 Probably went almost to the floor, 06:35 but the skirt went just down below the knees. 06:37 Yeah, so this is Charles and Yuna Nash. 06:41 She was, you know about her rest. 06:43 And her father was Cornish. 06:48 Oh, like my family. 06:50 And my father, Charles, his father was from London, 06:55 from Wandsworth in London. 06:57 And really, the story goes back 06:59 a generation prior to my parents, 07:01 because in my great, my great, my grandfather, 07:06 Henry Nash. 07:09 It's hard to believe he was born in 1861, 07:11 which is 160 years ago. 07:14 And I never met him, he passed away before I was born. 07:19 But he was Church of England. 07:22 And he was engaged by the Bishop 07:26 of North Queensland, to come and work in North Queensland, 07:31 in Townsville. 07:33 So my grandfather, Henry Nash became verger 07:37 of the cathedral there in Townsville. 07:40 The reason why I mentioned that is because, you know, 07:43 there's a strong loyalty in not only my grandparents, 07:48 but also my, my parents to the Church of England. 07:51 Okay. 07:53 And that can sometimes be a barrier to making 07:55 a change in your, your religious convictions. 08:00 And I understand that because tradition holds 08:03 a big part in people's lives. 08:05 Yes, yeah. 08:06 You know, so that my father picture there. 08:10 There he was a choirboy at the cathedral. 08:14 And his father, the verger of the cathedral. 08:18 So you know, there were strong ties. 08:22 Yeah. 08:24 And then you went on, your mum and dad got married 08:27 as in the photo there and had four children? 08:30 Five children, I'm the youngest of the five, 08:34 so the family's bit stretched out. 08:37 Oh, let's look at the photo, 08:38 and we'll see you as the little one. 08:40 You're the one down the photo. Okay. 08:41 So this is my mum and dad and the four of their children. 08:44 So I think the oldest of the boys was taking 08:48 the photo here behind the camera, 08:51 and I'm that skinny the fellow down to the front there. 08:55 So, Monica, did you think 08:56 you'd ever married that little boy there? 08:58 Well, I don't know. 08:59 I wouldn't have married him 09:01 if I looked at that, first of all. 09:04 Well, at least I don't think so. 09:06 No, he was too young, wasn't he? 09:07 Absolutely. 09:09 That would have been cradle snatching. 09:10 But it's interesting, you know, 09:12 you talk about your Anglican heritage there. 09:16 So you grew up in an environment 09:19 where they taught you about God 09:21 and those principles that you find in the Word of God. 09:25 Well, brother, 09:26 my parents had a girl first of all, 09:31 and then they had a boy. 09:34 So one girl, four boys, all the rest of the boys, 09:38 they were boys. 09:40 But when the second child the boy, 09:43 my oldest brother Alan came along, 09:47 they needed to buy a pram, 09:50 and this is the story that leads up to the conversion 09:54 of my parents to become Seventh-day Adventists. 09:58 They saw a pram advertised 10:00 and this is in Townsville in North Queensland. 10:04 They saw a pram advertised and the man, 10:08 the person advertising it was by the name of Magnusson. 10:13 AE Magnusson. 10:15 He was an Adventist evangelist. 10:20 And my parents were curious that the fact they said, 10:23 don't make any contact with us or pick up the pram, 10:27 we'll pay for it on Friday night 10:30 or on Saturday. 10:32 Because, you know, my parents said, 10:34 well, that's a strange sort of thing, 10:36 you know, why is it that prohibition? 10:39 So, the Magnussons actually gave my parents an invitation. 10:44 While your parents bought the pram I appreciate. 10:45 They did. 10:47 I presumed that the pram belonged to their baby Erik 10:52 Magnusson who would later on become the president 10:54 of Avondale College. 10:56 Is that right? 11:00 Yeah, so we have a copy 11:01 of the invitation that they received to go, 11:05 and this is the annual camp meeting 1934 at the Townsville 11:10 Shole Grounds. 11:11 And that's the front and the back of the card. 11:13 Yes, it had two sides. 11:15 So the invitation on the front, and the name of the speakers 11:19 and all of their topics on the reverse. 11:23 And the dates. Yeah. 11:27 Some of the names will be familiar to some 11:29 of our viewers. 11:32 Pastor Arthrift, Pastor EH Gilead, 11:36 Pastor SV Stratford, Pastor AW Anderson, 11:40 Pastor TR Kent, Pastor RA Bullas. 11:45 I think... South Australia. 11:47 We knew him when we were young, 11:50 A Magnusson, evangelist it says, 11:53 and his topic was our marvelous century. 11:57 This is 1934. 11:59 And then evangelist AG Jacobson. 12:04 So they were invited to go to that mission program. 12:08 And they heard things like 12:11 the end of the seventh day Sabbath, Saturday, 12:14 it's been the Sabbath of the Bible, 12:16 baptism by immersion, 12:17 which was not practiced in Church of England, 12:20 unless you specifically requested it. 12:24 They heard about the second coming of Jesus, 12:26 you know, they heard so many Bible truths 12:29 that they had never heard before. 12:33 So how old, were you born at that time? 12:35 No. You were not. 12:37 This is, they only had children, 12:39 the children one and two at this stage, 12:42 I'm number five. 12:44 So you would have been then familiar with Sabbath 12:48 keeping by the time you're born, 12:50 they've been practicing? 12:51 Yes. 12:53 So they went on and they were baptized? 12:55 They are baptized. 12:56 My mother was, made her decision first. 12:59 My father was just a little bit more hesitant 13:04 about it because of his family traditions in the Church 13:08 of England. 13:10 But once he made his decision, he became a very committed 13:13 Seventh-day Adventist for the rest of his life. 13:17 Just looking back now, as you were growing up, 13:20 you know, you're living in a Seventh-day Adventist. 13:23 Did you ever feel you had a calling? 13:25 You know, you're a pastor. 13:27 Now, did you ever feel that calling 13:28 when you were very young? 13:33 I went to a Youth Congress. 13:37 And I think it was in Brisbane, from memory 13:40 when I was in the high school, from secondary school. 13:44 And there was a speaker there by the name of Pastor Minchin. 13:48 I think it was EL Minchin. 13:51 And he made a call for those 13:53 who wanted to commit their lives to gospel ministry. 13:57 And I felt convicted at that time to go forward 14:01 and make that commitment. 14:04 I always think, you know, 14:06 when we've talked to other people who have, 14:08 you know, went into ministry, they always felt that there was 14:12 some PowerPoint in their life, they had a calling, 14:16 like you've described, and then in later life, 14:19 it became a reality. 14:20 So you know, I think God speaks to us, 14:22 no matter how old we are. 14:24 And if God is speaking to you, 14:25 listen, because He wants each one 14:27 of us to do the work that He wants us to do 14:32 in a way that maybe we don't think of at the time, 14:34 but He is really interested in having you do the work 14:38 of telling other people about Jesus. 14:40 So it was good that you ended up being a pastor. 14:44 I just want to go back to with your mum 14:47 and dad's conversion briefly, because we have a photo 14:52 of Pastor Magnusson and a number 14:56 of the other people with him and one of them, 14:59 which one is Pastor Kent? 15:02 Pastor Kent is in the seated in, squatted in the... 15:06 Squatting in the front row there alongside 15:09 the dark skinned man 15:12 and Brother Magnusson, he wasn't ordained 15:15 I think at the time, 15:17 is in the middle row on the left hand side, 15:21 the far left and his wife is standing behind him. 15:25 So where did they come from? 15:28 I don't know who said, I don't know the history. 15:30 It sounds like a Scandinavian name, doesn't it Magnusson? 15:33 Yes, yes. Something like that. 15:34 Yes. 15:36 So you grew up in Queensland then? 15:40 Yes. Yes. Okay. 15:42 I'm born in Rockhampton, 15:43 but mostly grew up in Townsville. 15:45 My parents moved from Rockhampton to Townsville 15:47 when I was only two, so I don't remember 15:49 much about Rockhampton. 15:51 And then somehow God took you to South Australia. 15:56 But we'll come to that a bit later, because we want to hear 15:59 Monica's family story because that is very 16:03 interesting also. 16:04 Yes, it is. Go ahead. 16:08 Right, well, we better go back at quite a few years, 16:11 because if it hadn't been for these people 16:15 coming out from Germany, I wouldn't be here today. 16:19 But it was quite interesting because grandfather 16:24 Jaensch or great, great grandfather Jaensch. 16:27 He was the one that came out 16:28 directly because of religious persecution. 16:31 And he arrived in South Australia in 1838, 16:35 November, 1838. 16:37 He was on the first ship 16:40 of German refugees that came out because 16:44 of religious persecution. 16:47 And anyway, 16:50 it's so quite an amazing story because he lived a long life. 16:54 He was 96 or 97 when he passed away. 16:58 And he was a very intelligent man. 17:01 In fact, in the Lutheran archives in South Australia, 17:06 there's a record he kept a very, very detailed record 17:10 of his time, his early years in Germany 17:14 and then the trip out to Australia on the ship. 17:18 And also his time in South Australia right up 17:23 until he died. 17:25 They said that he had... 17:26 He never wore glasses, he had 100% eyesight, 17:30 even at the real old age. 17:31 Like Moses. Yeah. 17:33 And anyway, it was his granddaughter, 17:37 my grandmother and Tony, who married Erhardt Roennfeldt. 17:42 And Erhardt's parents 17:46 came out from Rostock, in northern Germany, 17:51 actually a little village called Cropland, 17:53 but it was very close to Rostock. 17:56 And they came out not so much because religious persecution, 18:01 but because Christian Heinrich 18:06 had served in the army 18:10 and had ruined his feet in the army because of... 18:13 Christian Heinrich Roennfeldt. 18:14 Yes, because of ill-fitting boots. 18:17 And he had no intention 18:19 of letting his sons serve in the army. 18:22 So he had a cousin 18:24 who had come to South Australia. 18:28 And he'd heard that it was good land and so forth. 18:31 So come on over sort of thing. 18:33 So he came out in the early 1849 18:37 and settled in the Barossa Valley. 18:41 And, yeah, and the story sort of goes on from there. 18:44 Both of the... 18:46 One of these families were very, 18:47 very strong Lutherans. 18:49 And, yeah, 18:51 it was quite interesting because there's a real 18:54 tradition of Lutheranism in the Barossa Valley, 18:57 in that small area, which I'll talk in miles about 19:02 15 miles long by about 10 miles wide, 19:07 there's no less than 40 churches. 19:10 Not all Lutheran, different, you know, there's Church 19:12 of England, one Adventist Church, 19:15 and Catholic and Uniting Church and so forth, 19:19 but Lutheran predominantly. 19:22 So anyway, if we go down through time 19:26 and come to 1896, 19:31 my grandparents Erhardt Franz 19:35 Wilhelm Roennfeldt married 19:39 Antonie Florentine Jaensch. 19:42 And we have a photo. Yes, you do. 19:44 There is the photo, the typical pose as we, 19:48 we know the husband sitting and the wife standing 19:51 which is different with your parents. 19:53 And the black wedding dress, 19:55 which was traditional for German brides. 19:58 Now, that's an interesting thing. 19:59 Tell us about that? 20:00 Yes, well, I think because they're all 20:02 fairly conservative toward sort of people 20:06 and the background that they came from 20:08 that it was expected that the brides would wear black. 20:13 And there was a story that was told that one 20:17 of the brides, 20:18 as it was coming, you know, into the 20th century, 20:21 she decided that she would go against tradition 20:24 and wear white. 20:26 She never told her parents, 20:28 but on the actual day of the wedding... 20:30 She came with white. 20:31 She came with white, but father 20:33 didn't escort her to the church. 20:36 So you know, she was... 20:37 She was in the bad books, in the black books. 20:40 She certainly wasn't in the black books. 20:42 Yeah. 20:44 But anyway, grandfather 20:45 and grandmother were married in 1896. 20:50 And they had six children. 20:54 My mother was the youngest. 20:56 And it was in 1914 that... 21:01 I was just gonna say your mum's a little one at the front. 21:04 Yes, the little one, yes. 21:06 Now this photo was taken probably, 21:10 I would say at least. 21:12 She was born in 1912, 21:16 two years before they became Adventists. 21:19 So this, she will probably be about six or seven there. 21:22 So that was a bit later that photo. 21:25 But, yeah, she, they became Adventist, 21:28 Pastor Daniel Wall came out from America 21:31 specifically to convert 21:34 the German people in the Barossa Valley. 21:37 As you heard that they'd be, there were German speaking 21:39 groups in South Australia, as he said to his wife, 21:42 now we must go there and share the Advent message. 21:45 He could speak German. 21:47 Well, his name would have really been pronounced Wall, 21:50 W-A-L-L. 21:52 But we in Australia, we call him Wall. 21:54 Yeah. 21:56 Is and then there was another person associated with him 22:00 helping him and that was Pastor George Backhaus. 22:03 Now Backhaus name was familiar around 22:07 the Cooranbong area, too. 22:10 And, yeah, there's interesting stories, 22:13 because when they first decided to become Adventist, 22:17 my grandfather and grandmother virtually cut off 22:20 from their relatives, and they had large families. 22:22 My grandfather had 10 brothers and sisters. 22:26 And my grandmother was one of 14. 22:30 And you can imagine what it was like, 22:33 because how dare you move away from the faith? 22:37 How did they start going to the Adventist meetings? 22:41 Well, it was because, strangely enough grandfather, 22:45 one of his sisters, 22:47 and one of his brothers went to a mission that Pastor Wall 22:52 was conducting in a little town called Freeling, 22:55 which was further on the western side 22:58 of the Barossa Valley. 23:00 And they said," Erhardt, you must go 23:03 and hear this preacher. 23:05 He's wonderful. He is speaking truth." 23:09 Well, grandfather and grandmother went along, 23:10 and they were converted. 23:12 But this brother and sister never accepted 23:15 the Adventist truth. 23:17 Now that may be because they didn't like 23:21 the persecution even could have been. 23:24 Whereas your grandfather was a little bit 23:27 more strong in wanting to follow God. 23:29 We've got a picture of the little institute 23:31 building where the meetings were being held, 23:35 that your grandfather went to, 23:37 that his brother and sister went to. 23:39 Nice little building. And we have a photo also of... 23:42 That's in Greenock. Of the Pastor Daniel Wall. 23:46 Yeah, Pastor Daniel Wall and his wife and two children. 23:47 And there's an interesting story about 23:51 when they came to South Australia, 23:55 and they were conducting mission 23:57 also after they'd been in Greenock, 24:00 they decided to conduct one in the main town of Barossa, 24:03 Nuriootpa and they left the, 24:07 one of the youngest boy, 24:09 little Wall baby in the care of Dora Buchholz. 24:14 And Dora is just reminding myself 24:19 of this story a couple of days ago, 24:22 and Dora was looking after this baby 24:24 and she actually felt moved to shift the crib. 24:30 And I think it was 24:31 the Holy Spirit spoke to her to do this because she'd only 24:36 just shifted the crib and a brick came flying through 24:39 the window. 24:40 And if the crib had been in the place 24:44 where it originally was, 24:45 the baby would have been killed. 24:48 They, these people suffered real persecution. 24:50 So that brick was thrown through 24:52 the window because of persecution. 24:54 Yeah, yes. 24:55 Similarly, I think your family, your ancestors too 25:00 when they're coming home from the mission... 25:02 Oh, yes. 25:03 They got flour bombed or something 25:05 or rather rotten eggs. 25:06 Yeah. Oh, yes. 25:08 Yes. 25:09 When they came home from that little institute. 25:10 Yeah, to become an Adventistan, you know, 25:14 and forsake the Lutheran faith, yeah, it was faith. 25:18 Tell us about one of your mother's brothers? 25:22 Her eldest brother, Irwin EE Roennfeldt, 25:28 he was considered as a young, young boy, 25:33 even an early teenager, to be very promising student 25:37 and the Lutheran pastors in the Barossa 25:39 wanted to send him to the Lutheran, 25:42 one of the Lutheran seminaries in Germany, 25:45 because he was a very clever young man, 25:48 and he would be good for the church. 25:51 And anyway, when grandfather 25:54 decided that they would become Adventists, 25:57 there was a concerted effort by, I think, 26:00 particularly three Lutheran ministers to save grandfather 26:06 and grandmother. 26:07 And so they came around to visit one evening. 26:13 And grandfather said, 26:16 "No, we're going to keep the Sabbath, 26:18 we're going to become Seventh-day Adventist." 26:21 And he said, "I'll show you from the Bible 26:23 about the Sabbath." 26:25 And he went up the passage, and this was in the old house 26:29 where Clive and I lived before we came to New South Wales. 26:32 And grandfather, apparently, as he was going up the passage, 26:36 he heard this minister say, "It's not good talking to him, 26:38 if he's going to bring it from the Bible." 26:40 You know, it's not good reasoning with him. 26:43 And my grandfather came back and said, 26:45 "We're definitely keeping the Sabbath, 26:47 we're going to change." 26:50 And that really blew up because apparently 26:55 Uncle Irwin immediately 26:58 became a dummkopf, 27:03 quite stupid, you know, 27:05 how could that be and infect Roennfeldt, 27:08 you should smack him up the side of the head, 27:11 boxer as he is, you know... 27:14 Going from being one of the brightest shining lights 27:18 of the young people, he all of a sudden is stupid. 27:22 Yes, a dummkopf. 27:24 And anyway, as they were leaving 27:27 the homestead that night, 27:29 apparently, they said to grandfather, 27:32 "And may the curse of God rest on you 27:34 and your family forever." 27:37 And that would have been very hard to take, 27:39 because that sort of thing, 27:40 you know, if that was said by your German... 27:42 It's quite serious. It was quite serious. 27:45 Yeah. Yes. 27:46 And then grandfather himself. 27:48 He was an elder, a seal holder 27:51 and a lay reader in St. Petrie Lutheran Church in Nuriootpa. 27:57 And when he got up 27:59 and announced in the church after a live reading session, 28:04 and he said, 28:05 "I will no longer be attending this church 28:08 because I'm going to be an Adventist, 28:10 and I'm going to keep the Sabbath." 28:12 Well, the women rushed out of the church 28:14 and lined up on the pathway outside of the church 28:17 and as grandfather came out of the church, 28:19 all these women spat on him. 28:23 And there was much persecution. 28:26 Like I said, it's probably why sister and brother didn't 28:28 go forward in changing? 28:30 Yeah. 28:31 Rather than the curse of God, I think the blessing of God, 28:33 blessing our family. 28:35 Irwin ended up in the General Conference. 28:37 That's right. 28:38 And his last official position was he was president 28:41 of the Northern European or Trans-European division. 28:46 And one or the other... 28:48 The dummkopf. 28:49 One of the other children, Clarence Roennfeldt 28:52 will be known to a number of our viewers, 28:56 West Australian, but before that he was 28:58 a missionary to Burma. 29:00 And the oldest. 29:03 Three of his children, I think, you know, 29:05 probably pretty well known to, Lynette, 29:08 this missionary nurse to Papua New Guinea. 29:12 Ray also. 29:14 He's just best president of the Avondale College. 29:18 Yes, and Peter Roennfeldt too, another minister. 29:22 So, yeah, I don't think the curse 29:24 of God rested on the family at all. 29:27 I think it reveals the character of the person. 29:31 And if you stand for truth, in principle, 29:33 God will use you no matter what men say or do, God knows. 29:39 And out of that little Barossa Church, 29:41 you know, in South Australia. 29:44 There were other names like Kranz, 29:47 Alfred Kranz was became an Adventist there. 29:51 Maywald, Russel is another name, 29:56 Standish, Mrs. Antoinette, Standish. 30:00 You know, there are quite a number of, 30:02 of families today which would trace their roots back him. 30:07 One of the members of the church that we 30:09 go to Dr. Don Roy, his... 30:12 I think his grandfather was the Buchholz that was, 30:16 Monica mentioned, the literature evangelist. 30:20 And before that the pathway was paved by literature 30:23 evangelists by the name of LDA Lemke. 30:27 All right. Very interesting. 30:29 Very good. Yeah. 30:31 So out of a little place like that. 30:33 God took people who are faithful 30:35 and used them all around the world, literally. 30:38 Excellent. Very good. 30:40 Now, Clive, Monica, let us get on with the story 30:45 of how you being in Queensland, 30:48 and you being in South Australia. 30:50 How did God bring you together? 30:53 Well, I was... 30:55 After I finished my theology training 30:58 at Avondale College in 1969, 31:01 I was called to go and do literature 31:04 evangelism work in South Australia. 31:07 And to be the senior evangelist for Pastor Lindsay Lowers 31:13 for a mission program in Adelaide. 31:17 So I did that for to 1970. 31:22 We were, we met and we got married at the end of 1970. 31:28 That wasn't very long. 31:30 No, actually. 31:31 Oh, well, I was a singer and Monica was a pianist 31:34 and organist, and it was music brought us together. 31:37 Yeah. 31:38 And that was at Gola Church actually because... 31:41 Yes, I was preaching, 31:43 and I saw this lovely organist there. 31:44 And the funny part about it, we used to have a spate 31:48 of Avondale theology students sort of come around and preach. 31:53 And that day, I was playing the organ I thought, "Oh no, 31:56 not another one from Avondale." 31:59 And I snuck out the back door of the church. 32:02 And I never even met him. 32:04 Didn't even shake hands. 32:05 Didn't even shake hands with him 32:06 because I was so peeved off 32:08 with all this Avondale business all the time in anyway. 32:12 But I did my homework, Brother John. 32:14 You did actually get to see her. 32:15 I said, "Who is that lady? 32:18 Where does she live?" 32:20 So I called her to the farmhouse to see her. 32:24 The next Saturday night, he turns up at our farm, 32:29 the old Roennfeldt farm. 32:31 And Monica says, oh, no, that Avondale guy. 32:34 Something like that. 32:35 But the interesting part was, it was a blazing hot summer, 32:41 in early in February, 32:43 and we were all sitting outside because it's just 32:46 too hot to be inside. 32:48 And at the same time, you wouldn't believe it, 32:51 there was a mouse plague happening, 32:53 and we had all these haystacks and that around the farm. 32:56 And anyway, I've never seen it before, 32:59 and I've never seen it since. 33:00 But we had 14 cats on the farm. 33:03 And they all decided to catch mice 33:08 and bring them down towards the house, 33:11 and we're sitting out in this area, 33:13 and all of a sudden these cats arrive with all of these mice 33:15 and they let the mice go. 33:18 And so we're sort of sitting there with 33:19 our knees in the air. 33:21 And Clive's looking a bit like this, 33:25 you know, he was basically a city boy. 33:28 And anyway, my father said, when Clive had gone, 33:32 my father said, Well, I if he's worth his salt, 33:37 he will stick around even despite such an experience, 33:41 and he did. 33:44 There was some attraction there. 33:46 That's the only reason that you could give for that. 33:49 Yeah. 33:50 I'd say you're probably lucky you had all those cats doing 33:52 mice hunting. 33:53 Is he a man of few words, Monica, or did he, 33:56 you know, being a young man and out there on his own? 34:00 How was he, was he quiet, reserved? 34:03 Oh, I wouldn't say was actually quiet. 34:06 He was rather persuasive, put it that way. 34:09 Yeah. 34:11 So we were married at the end of that year just two days 34:13 before Christmas in the Trinity Gardens Seventh-day 34:17 Adventist Church. 34:18 And see, you've got the same hairstyle and the same sort of, 34:21 you've got the beard. 34:22 And I notice you're in white. 34:24 Yes, yes, I didn't revert to the black tradition. 34:28 But it's funny, I've never known Clive without a beard. 34:33 Is that right? 34:34 And I often said in a joking way 34:37 that if I woke up one morning, 34:38 he shaved off a beard, of his beard. 34:40 I'd think I was in bed with the wrong person. 34:44 That's what I was like when I married John. 34:46 He shaved his beard off. 34:48 Who is this man? 34:50 Was a little bit shocking. Yes. 34:53 Well, wasn't any opening for me in full time ministry 34:57 in South Australia at the time, 34:59 so I took other employment to get our home together 35:04 and our finances. 35:06 What did you do, Clive? 35:08 Well, for three or four years 35:09 I worked with the Commonwealth Government 35:12 with Department of Civil Aviation. 35:14 And then... What did you do with... 35:17 What were you doing there? Did clerical work. 35:19 Most of the time after that, I was working 35:23 as a school bursar for the Education 35:25 Department in South Australia. 35:27 And that enabled us to go back to the Barossa 35:30 and live on the family farm. 35:33 Did you do more singing for evangelistic? 35:35 Yeah, I want to ask a little bit about your singing. 35:37 Where did you begin to sing? 35:40 Well, I trained at Avondale College. 35:42 Well before that my parents gave me 35:45 singing lessons in Townsville. 35:47 And then I trained with a lady by the name of Jean Kilroy 35:51 at Avondale College, and she put me up to my MSA 35:56 standard invoice examined by the Sydney Conservatorium 36:00 of Music. 36:01 When I first went to South Australia, 36:04 I performed professionally on channel 10 television. 36:08 So it was nice to get paid to sing and being an amateur. 36:12 And, but for most of my working life, 36:16 I was working as a bursar. 36:17 So what were you seeing on channel 10? 36:20 You know, music, music from the shows, 36:23 you know, likes of Fiddler on the Roof 36:25 and Camelot and things like that were popular at that time. 36:29 And did Monica play for you? 36:30 No, no, they had a studio band that played for those. 36:35 Because I know you both sing. 36:38 And really, they do sing very well. 36:42 Duets. Duets, yeah. 36:44 As well. That's really good. 36:47 And as a pastor, that's a bonus really, 36:51 to be able to sing and to present and talk. 36:56 It just makes it so much nicer. 37:00 And in the Barossa, you know, Monica became very involved 37:03 with music, not only in church in our church, 37:07 but also in the community. 37:10 I was an organist for my singing teacher 37:15 was a Lutheran minister's wife, 37:17 and we became extremely good friends. 37:21 And one year she said to me, I want to present Bach Cantata, 37:27 the Lord is a sun and shield. 37:30 And she said, in all the history 37:31 of the Barossa Valley had had never been performed before. 37:34 So we got together a choir. 37:37 And we performed it in two churches, 37:40 one at the little town of Bethany, 37:43 and the other in St. Petrie Lutheran Church in Nuriootpa. 37:48 That's a big church and holds about a thousand people. 37:52 And, yeah, there was lots of opportunity for involvement, 37:57 I conducted a couple of choirs, a children's choir at Angaston 38:00 Primary School and also, I took over conducting 38:06 a community choir as well. 38:08 And that was made up of members from different churches... 38:13 Different denominations. Different denominations. 38:15 And Clive used to sing in that choir too. 38:18 So I felt quite good about bossing him 38:19 around in the choir. 38:22 So one chance, Clive. 38:23 Yes, I was under direction. 38:25 So what did you studied at school? 38:29 At school? Yeah, did you? 38:30 What qualifications did you have? 38:32 Well, I've really got no qualifications. 38:35 Oh, you're like me. Yes. 38:38 You just got to work what God gives you to do. 38:40 Yeah, secondary schooling. 38:41 Yeah, and I did some part actually 38:43 what they call post grad work. 38:45 Like for minister's wives, 38:47 we did a course that came out from America. 38:50 And I did through that with preaching 38:53 and all sorts of things that were involved with that. 38:55 So I had a light education. 38:58 So you had the talent for music, and God used it. 39:02 And He was, you know, blessing you 39:04 with being able to use that in other ways. 39:08 Yeah. That's really good. 39:09 It's good to see your background from your families, 39:12 you know, you're the heritage behind you. 39:15 But, you know, in your life, 39:17 I'm sure you have had experiences that will, 39:21 you know, we'd all like to hear about stories that you've 39:23 experienced in your journey through life. 39:26 And I know, Pastor Clive, you've got a really interesting 39:29 story that's not too old, is it? 39:32 Well, we haven't actually come to the point that you 39:35 became a pastor. 39:37 And this is to do with... 39:39 While I was active as a layperson 39:41 running mission programs and things 39:43 like that in my own church. 39:47 And, but there came a time 39:50 when you may know Pastor Neil Watts. 39:54 He was President of South Australia 39:55 Conference at one stage. 39:57 And I'd served a couple 39:59 of terms on the Conference Executive Committee. 40:02 And also I was on the Board 40:04 of Education for our schools there. 40:07 And when I, my term of office in the Executive Committee 40:12 have completed and I said to Neil, 40:14 "I've got a bit of free spare time now, 40:16 is there something else I can do for the church?" 40:19 And he said, "Well, you remember 40:21 we trained together to be ministers." 40:23 He said, "Would you like to look after a church? 40:26 And I said, "Well, I think I could handle two." 40:29 So that's what I did. 40:31 They gave me two churches. 40:34 And... 40:35 What churches were they? 40:37 The Church of Kadina on Yorke Peninsula, 40:41 and Mendham Church down the Murray River. 40:44 So they're in opposite direction to each other. 40:46 How far apart were you, you know, like? 40:48 Well, I think there's about an hour and a half 40:49 from our home to Kadina and about an hour 40:51 and 10 minutes down to Mendham. 40:53 It's nice how they seem to put 40:55 pastors in churches that are far 40:56 away from each other. 40:58 I think just to test them. 40:59 I know in Western Australia, some of them got three or four 41:01 hours to drive to one of their churches. 41:04 Well, I suppose I was pretty well off then. 41:07 But I still kept on working as a bursar at the school. 41:10 So I was doing that full time 41:12 and looking out the two churches all the while. 41:14 Yes. I did that for three years. 41:17 And then I asked the president, 41:19 might have been Pastor Don Hosken at the time, 41:21 I think, whether I could change churches for the sake 41:26 of getting some additional experience. 41:29 Mind you, it didn't take me long, 41:31 when I started doing volunteer ministry, 41:34 to realize that this is, 41:36 this is what the Lord called me to all those years before. 41:41 You know, this is where my heart was. 41:44 And the Lord bless, you know, with three years in those first 41:47 two churches, and then I had a city church, 41:50 and an outer suburban church in Adelaide for another 41:55 three years, and one of those churches 41:58 was Birdwood in the Adelaide Hills for three years. 42:02 And... So you were not volunteering? 42:04 I was still volunteer. You're still volunteering. 42:06 Still volunteering. 42:08 And we ran a... 42:10 This is where we ran a mission program. 42:11 They're using the evangelism series from Port Moresby, 42:15 conducted by Pastor Mark Finley. 42:17 And via satellite. 42:19 Via satellite. 42:20 And you remember those days you would write in, 42:24 you let you know, 42:25 there'll be a call for where you're watching 42:27 our program around the world. 42:29 And so they'll get responses from all over the world 42:32 as to who was watching. 42:34 And we let it be known that this little 42:38 church in the Adelaide Hills, Birdwood, we were taking 42:41 the programs and running it as a mission program. 42:44 You had a big satellite dish. 42:45 We had a big satellite dish, 42:47 and we had a big screen inside the church. 42:49 And we're running it as a mission program in the church. 42:55 And there was a remarkable story came out 42:57 of that particular mission program. 43:00 It touches my heart to recall that even now. 43:06 There was a man by the name of Dennis, 43:09 who came along to the church, to the mission program. 43:14 He had been raised as an Adventist and married 43:17 as an Adventist but he lapsed, 43:20 and he wandered away for two or three 43:22 decades from the Lord. 43:26 And there was one particular night he was there present, 43:30 and Mark Finley talked about baptism. 43:35 And he explained 43:36 how to call for people to come to be baptized 43:39 and explain why he would be make that decision. 43:43 And then he said, and perhaps there's someone 43:46 amongst the audience here in Port Moresby, 43:49 who would like to be re-baptized and explain 43:51 why you would be re-baptized. 43:54 And that he said something, which I think 43:55 and I need the prompting by the Holy Spirit. 43:59 Mark Finley from Port Moresby. 44:01 He said, "And is there someone in that little 44:04 church in the Adelaide Hills 44:07 who would like to stand to be re-baptized." 44:10 And Dennis stood and made his decision. 44:14 And, you know, I had the privilege 44:15 of baptizing him in later. 44:19 And he remained faithful in the church. 44:20 Remained faithful till his death, yeah. 44:22 Isn't it amazing, so many miles apart, 44:26 and yet the Spirit of God can prompt someone 44:29 and that influences someone to make a decision. 44:32 Yeah. Yeah. 44:33 And to actually name the church. 44:37 You know, well, even though he didn't say 44:39 the name of the church, 44:40 but that little church in the hills in Adelaide. 44:44 And there's someone there who's wrestling? 44:47 Someone who's saying because he was wrestling, 44:50 was saying, no, no, don't, you know, don't go up. 44:55 You can't do that. 44:57 And then God says you, I'm calling you. 45:03 I know you by name. 45:05 I know who you are. 45:06 The Holy Spirit, he prompted Mark, 45:08 you know, to make that appeal very specific. 45:10 It's powerful. 45:11 It is powerful because, you know, 45:13 you can imagine you're that person. 45:14 And that's... 45:16 Boy, would make you, make you tingle all over does, 45:19 doesn't it? 45:20 When you heard the evangelist over 45:22 the satellite saying you in that little church, 45:25 I'm talking to you. 45:26 God is calling you. You have to go up. 45:30 Yeah, I want to ask you, you have children? 45:34 Well, we... 45:35 Yes, we have one daughter, one girl, 45:37 one child I should say and she's the daughter, a girl. 45:40 That's Adele Nash. Yeah. 45:42 And she's not a child anymore. 45:44 No, she isn't. 45:45 She let us know that. 45:48 Yes, we talked it over, you know, 45:50 we should try to get into full time ministry. 45:54 But our daughter Adele was in secondary school. 45:58 So he said, let's wait until she finishes year 12, 46:02 because she wants to go on to Avondale College to train. 46:06 So in year 12, I circulated my name. 46:10 And we were very blessed to recall to North 46:14 New South Wales Conference to full time ministry. 46:17 And she's a very fine young lady. 46:19 And it's a credit to both of you. 46:22 Thank you, John. Yeah. 46:24 So six years of volunteer ministry in South Australia, 46:27 and then we're privileged to serve for 11 years 46:32 of full time ministry in North New South Wales 46:34 before retirement. 46:36 Excellent. 46:37 Now you, Monica, 46:38 you have a story relating to Adele, haven't you? 46:41 Yes, I have. I'd love to hear it. 46:44 I'm sure the viewers will too. 46:45 Yes, it's quite an interesting story really, 'cause it was in, 46:50 I think it was in Adele's last year at Avondale. 46:53 And she was doing communication and marketing course. 46:57 And I think the group 47:00 of students in this course had been asked to do something, 47:05 prepare surveys or something for ADRA. 47:08 That's the Adventist Development and Relief Agency. 47:11 Yes. 47:12 And then they were called, 47:14 when they'd finished all of this, 47:15 they were called to go down to Sydney to sort of review 47:19 the results of their work. 47:21 And so they all traveled down in different cars, 47:26 and that Adele wasn't driving at that stage. 47:28 So she went with someone else. 47:30 And as they're going 47:32 down the M1. 47:36 She said they got to a place 47:38 where traffic comes in from the left hand side 47:41 of the road. 47:42 On the on ramp. Yes. 47:43 And they were in the left hand lane. 47:46 And she said suddenly, it was 47:50 as though they were going to have 47:52 an accident because it was this huge semi-trailer 47:55 coming in on their right, and this other one 47:57 coming down the ramp, 47:59 and they were converging right there. 48:01 And she said, it was as though that was the end of us. 48:05 And she said, but next thing, everything was okay. 48:10 And we just kept on going. 48:12 But the strangest thing was that, that afternoon, 48:17 Clive and I, this was, 48:19 we were still in Singleton at this stage. 48:21 And Clive and I were going up to Muswellbrook to do some 48:24 visitation and so forth and, 48:26 and I fell asleep in the car on the way to Muswellbrook. 48:29 It's about 50 K's from Singleton to Muswellbrook, 48:32 and I'm sort of snoozing away. 48:34 The next thing, this voice said to me, 48:37 pray for Adele, pray for her now. 48:40 And I'm sort of trying to wake up and the voice came again, 48:45 pray for Adele, pray for her now. 48:48 And I said, God, I don't know why I'm praying, 48:51 but whatever it is, she's in Your care, 48:54 please take care of her. 48:57 And we went on and did our visitation 49:00 and got home probably about 7 o'clock 49:04 or something that evening, 8 o'clock the phone rang, 49:09 and it was Adele. 49:11 And I thought this is strange because she doesn't usually 49:14 ring out, she wants to save her money. 49:16 So mom and dad ring her. 49:17 Thatâ s exactly right. 49:19 She's still the same today by the way. 49:22 And I said, "How are you?" 49:24 And she said, "Oh yeah, all right." 49:27 And there was a sort of silence and then I said, 49:31 "I wanna tell you something, I said today 49:33 when dad and I were going up to Muswellbrook, 49:36 I said, I went to sleep 49:37 and I said next thing this voice woke me up, 49:40 saying pray for Adele. 49:41 Pray for her now." 49:44 And there was another big silence on the end 49:47 of the phone. 49:48 And Adele said, "What time was that?" 49:52 And I said, "It was about half past two." 49:56 And she said, "Oh." 50:00 And I said, "What's wrong?" 50:04 And she said, "At that time, 50:06 we thought we were going to have 50:07 a terrible accident on the M1." 50:11 And she said, "It was like, the trucks just moved apart. 50:15 And we, we were all okay." 50:20 And then I said, again, you know, 50:23 I said, I was woken up. 50:26 And this voice said, I said, that could have 50:28 only been an angel or God speaking to me to pray. 50:32 Prompting of the Holy Spirit. 50:34 To pray. That's right. 50:36 And, you know, we've never forgotten that. 50:39 I'm sure you will never forget it, you know. 50:42 So, I always thought with Adele from when she was a baby. 50:48 And she was dedicated. 50:49 And I've often thought that God has something 50:52 special for her to do. 50:55 And, you know, if he would save her life, 50:57 and perhaps the life of a couple 50:58 of other young people there, God has a plan for them. 51:02 Yes. That's right. 51:04 Definitely. 51:06 Sorry if I get a bit teary about that. 51:08 No, it's a very moving story. 51:10 It would be very impacting. 51:12 Clive, you have a story to tell that 51:17 where you were nearly drowned. 51:19 You nearly drowned in the river? 51:21 Oh, yes. Yes. 51:24 Again, back to Townsville, and I was just a lad, 51:30 primary school led, you know, swimming in a tidal creek. 51:33 And my parents were sitting on the bank watching on 51:37 and I got into difficulties. 51:38 I think there was a change in the tide 51:40 and the water was swirling around 51:42 and it's kind of like forming, you know, whirlpools 51:47 under the bridge and I was getting dragged down. 51:50 And all of a sudden, 51:51 my father saw that that I was in difficulty. 51:54 Not even thinking to take his glasses off, 51:57 he just dived in. 52:00 And I distinctly remember, 52:02 you know, trying to pull him down while 52:04 I'm trying to get up for breath. 52:06 Anyway, yes, he saved, saved me from drowning. 52:10 But lost his glasses? 52:11 Lost his glasses, but saved his son. 52:13 I would say that he thought the deal was a very good one. 52:17 He'd rather have son than his glasses. 52:19 Being at Townsville, being adventurous into those rivers 52:23 or waters with crocodiles, you know? 52:27 Most people would say that's interesting. 52:31 That's for sure. 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That's very true. 56:33 So I wrote up my dad's story. 56:37 It's quite a large volume there, 56:41 full of photos and stories and things. 56:45 It's quite fascinating when you go back into your family 56:47 history and find different things, isn't that? 56:50 Yes, yeah. 56:51 Just in a few words, Monica, you met Clive, 56:54 you've lived with him now. 56:55 How long have you been married? 56:57 Fifty and a half years. 56:59 Fifty and a half years. 57:00 Can you praise God for all that He has led you 57:03 through all these years? 57:05 I'm sure we can because 57:08 when I consider my earlier life, 57:11 and that I guess if because I sort 57:13 of went away in my beliefs for a while. 57:16 And I think God brought Clive into my life 57:18 just at the right time. 57:20 To bring him. 57:21 You know, God always has a plan for us. 57:23 That's right. 57:25 And, you know, there's no doubt about that in my mind, 57:28 and I couldn't have wished for a better husband. 57:30 Oh... Praise God. 57:31 What a beautiful way to finish the program. 57:33 What a lovely sentiment. 57:35 We've been talking with Pastor Clive Nash 57:38 and his dear wife, Monica. 57:40 And we pray that you've enjoyed the show 57:42 and we look forward to seeing you again next time. |
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