Participants: Pr. Joshua Nelson (Host), Jeanne Mogusu, Kean Baxter, Kory P. Douglas, Marquis Jackson
Series Code: PC
Program Code: PC000019
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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:03 Parents are cautioned that some material may be 00:05 too candid for younger children. 00:40 Hello, and welcome to "Pure Choices." 00:41 I'm your host Pastor Joshua Nelson 00:43 and I'm so glad you decide to join us. 00:45 We have another exiting topic this is, 00:48 "Who Invented Sex part-2," yes, part-2. 00:52 And so we're gonna get right into this discussion. 00:53 Before we do I'm going to introduce 00:55 our panel once again. 00:57 To my left I have Mr. Kean Baxter, 01:01 who is our scholar here, 01:03 he is a graduate from Andrews Theological Seminary. 01:07 He is just got finished it with his M.Div. 01:10 So happy to have him here. 01:11 We also have Pastor Marquis Jackson, 01:14 who is the Pastor there in Manning in Sumter 01:17 with Berea and Maranatha. 01:20 The Seventh-day Adventist Church district there 01:22 and with that South Atlantic Conference. 01:24 Amen. Yes, sir. 01:25 Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 01:26 And then we have Jeanne Mogusu, 01:28 who is in the seminary, 01:30 the theological seminary and she is the BSAS 01:34 or Black Student Association president 01:36 and she is a also PhD-- 01:39 Candidate? 01:40 Candidate right. Yeah, yeah. 01:41 So happy to have you here. 01:42 Another scholar you know, in our myths. 01:44 Then we have Pastor Kory Douglas, 01:46 who pastors the Grand Avenue and New Life Fellowship, 01:50 SDA Church is there in Southeast Missouri 01:52 who is with the Central States Conferences. 01:54 So we have a great panel again for you this day. 01:57 And so we're gonna talk about this subject now 02:00 of really talking about who invented sex 02:02 but really more about what is sex and is sex a sin? 02:07 You know, because a lot of young people think that well, 02:10 they hear sex being a taboo in the churches 02:12 and they told not to talk about it 02:16 and so sometimes that have you often 02:18 heard them say well, is it wrong to have sex? 02:20 So let's talk about that. 02:22 The problem is this with us as a church 02:23 we have now been real about situations. 02:26 Okay. 02:27 As a child growing up I used to you know, 02:29 going to church and you know, 02:30 hearing preachers talking various things 02:32 and which you're not supposed to do 02:34 and but as I will go to church 02:36 and I will look at husbands and wife's 02:39 sitting next to each other and you'll see their children. 02:42 And of course, I'm a child you know, 02:43 and it's like well, how did the child come? 02:46 Well, it definitely if we just believe 02:47 that was only through a store they know. 02:49 So then there is actually sex is happening 02:52 between husband and wife. 02:53 And we have a church have not done what we need to do. 02:56 Because the problem is if we're not gonna be real 02:59 and relevant and speak to them in a correct way 03:02 then definitely there gonna go 03:03 find out throughout the streets, 03:04 in the communities 03:05 and neighborhoods that they go to. 03:07 And if we don't do that 03:08 then we're gonna really loose this generation 03:10 because the generation has very difficult 03:12 to bring them back, we have to be relational. 03:13 Yeah, that's a truth and I'm happy you say that 03:15 because that we want to make sure it's clear 03:17 that sex should be within a marriage relationships. 03:19 Well, now the question is and I'm trying to be real 03:21 to this in generation well, what is included in sex? 03:25 You know, is it just about the intercourse, 03:28 what does that exclude anal or oral 03:32 you know what is included in sex? 03:34 We know that's a that's a big question 03:36 and it's definitely an important question. 03:38 You know, I can't even speak 03:39 from personal experience you know, 03:41 when they tell you don't have sex, 03:42 you kind of feel like what everything else is okay. 03:45 You know, especially you know, you can kiss, 03:47 you know, you can hug 03:48 and so you kind of think that you know, 03:49 anything a little right after that 03:51 or anything between that and-- 03:53 and the actual act of sex is okay. 03:55 But you know, one-- 03:56 one professor had said it like this, 03:59 you know, God indented for there to be 04:01 what we call penetration 04:03 or with the primary or reproductive organs 04:06 of male and female and that anything else 04:08 that involves that is also sex. 04:10 Okay, and that even 04:12 and then he went so far as to say, 04:13 that any thing out side of just you know, 04:16 involve in those primary organs is a perversion 04:19 even if what God had indented in the first place, 04:21 but because of those in organs are involved that it is still, 04:24 is still considered sex. 04:26 And so we can't skate on a line you know, 04:28 I can tell you from personal experience 04:29 is a dangerous line to skate on. 04:32 You know, and just with anything. 04:33 I believe we were talking the other night and Marquis 04:36 said something about candy you know, 04:38 and how only one peace of candy might make 04:40 you want the whole a lot of candy. 04:41 So you know, you have to be careful 04:43 about skating on the line and even dulling the lines. 04:46 Yeah, and honestly you know, 04:48 we all know, we all are young here, 04:50 we know it is tough to really be real 04:54 and say I'm not going to go any-- 04:56 and any avenue of sex, you know, before, 04:58 before marriage it's tough. 05:00 So you know, I know, 05:02 that maybe some people don't want us to go here, 05:03 but let's talk about well, how far is too far? 05:05 You know, because you know, 05:06 in a dating relationship or you're according to whatever 05:09 the case maybe how far really is too far? 05:12 I mean, we want to have 05:13 some type of interaction don't you? 05:15 That's a very good question and I like what Kory said 05:18 on that topic that we are taught not to have sex 05:23 but there are different ideas 05:26 of what constitutes sex like we said, 05:28 a lot of people believe that if there is no penetration 05:31 then is not sex 05:32 and then everything out side of that is permissible. 05:37 We're not taught necessarily the principles of-- 05:42 what the standards of purity, 05:44 why are we told not to have sex. 05:47 So these are the things that we need to understand. 05:50 So let's really talk about 05:52 into the some of the principles and really is that 05:54 really thinking about how far is too far? 05:57 You know, what should be my principles 05:58 while I'm there with my-- my lady, 06:00 you know, when I mean, we're trying to get close. 06:03 You know, I have-- I have a friend who, 06:07 you know, I wish I could say I learned this things 06:08 when I was younger but as I learned-- as I grow-- 06:11 as I've grown older, 06:13 I have learned this things and I have a friend of mine 06:16 who he is recently engaged and one thing that I've actually 06:20 totally admired from his relationship is when he was 06:23 dating his girlfriend he did not-- 06:26 they dated for period of about three years I hope. 06:28 Yeah, three years I hope I'm getting this right. 06:32 And for the first two years of their relationship 06:35 they did not even kiss or and they did not even-- 06:40 their expression of love was never verbal. 06:45 Like he would never-- 06:46 he keep took that very seriously 06:49 telling someone I love you. 06:51 And so even spending the way they spent time together, 06:55 was very controlled because he wanted to maintain 06:59 this gaggle standard of purity. 07:01 And his standard was if God was not-- 07:05 if God was actually present sitting right there 07:07 next to him which you know, 07:09 which He always is but if He was aware of that, you know, 07:13 being more aware of the fact that God is sitting 07:15 right next to you what are you doing? 07:17 If what you're doing you'd not wanted to do in front of God. 07:22 Then you probably not doing something that you know, 07:25 that is right. 07:26 Given that God the one who invented sex like we said, 07:30 and He is the one have gave us sex as a gift 07:33 that suppose to be pleasurable. 07:34 So if I'm doing something with Kory 07:36 and God is sitting right next to me 07:39 and I'm feeling kind of all kinds of funny, 07:41 you know, and then-- 07:43 then what I'm doing I should stop. 07:47 Well, you know I think that's-- that's sounds good, 07:49 you know, its pretty ideal but you know, 07:51 honestly you know, 07:52 for person who because member now, 07:54 we told of making pure choices where the key men 07:56 get irrational that everyone is watching this show 07:58 has not been making pure choices, 08:00 in their life or has already been in situations you know, 08:03 may have been promiscuous or whatever the case is 08:06 and I can tell you from my experience 08:08 someone having experience making out for instance, 08:11 you know, when get into relationship 08:13 you kind a you'll gonna want to make out. 08:15 You know, when you've experience 08:16 certain things in relationship setting you gonna want 08:19 keep experiencing that even though you have 08:21 now made a decision that I'm going to be pure. 08:23 And so we got to keep that in mind. 08:26 One of the-- and this is actually perfect. 08:28 One of the things I love, one of the verses I love 08:31 especially when it comes to satisfaction you know, 08:33 probably I gonna say it's on another episode. 08:35 Is a when Paul says make no provisions for your flesh. 08:39 Because you know, remember now because well, 08:40 we're talking about now turning around pure choices 08:42 it's more being converted going to different direction, 08:44 you know, we know that we are ideal God 08:47 is gonna work on us, 08:48 we gonna pray for taking the desires out of our heart, 08:50 but I believe that they are things that we do 08:52 in that process that doesn't make us necessarily 08:55 better but it-- it you know, 08:57 it doesn't go against what God is doing already in us. 08:59 So we don't make provisions for our flesh. 09:00 So for me personally I don't put myself in the situations 09:04 that I know will bring about those desires. 09:06 If you want to be practical you know, 09:08 you don't date but don't be alone. 09:11 You know, don't invite someone 09:12 over to your house late at night, 09:14 and say let watch the movie at 11'oclock you know, 09:16 as one of my professor use to say, 09:18 that's around to be witching hour. 09:19 You know, that's just the time when the night 09:21 where certain things got to your mind. 09:22 And so don't be alone with these people 09:24 at that certain time. 09:26 You know, you can grab on the principles like that. 09:28 You know, don't make any provisions for the flesh. 09:30 The place is where you know at you are struggling 09:32 that you are weak try to keep yourself 09:34 as much as possible away from those things. 09:37 Well, I mean, and I'm gonna go the Kean 09:38 and say but giving that is also a very hard thing. 09:40 It's not easy. 09:41 Especially when you know, you say really want 09:42 to spend time with someone, 09:44 you want to spend a lot of time with them, 09:45 and you know, you starts spending that time with them 09:47 later and later and it just kind of get out of hand. 09:50 But you pose an interesting thing 09:52 go ahead, go ahead. 09:53 I was gonna say, the question how far is too far? 09:56 It actually might be the wrong question. 10:01 Say you are married, and you ask your spouse 10:04 what's the least I can do to make you happy? 10:08 Well, we're still married, we're still okay. 10:10 So it's like it's how far can I-- 10:13 how much can I get away with? 10:14 Yeah. Yeah. 10:15 So, we know that Jesus loves us, 10:19 He died for us and He saved us He's given so much for us 10:23 and I think this is why your relationship with Jesus 10:26 has to guide every question, 10:30 every choice into your life and He will show 10:33 what pleases Him and He realizes the standard is high, 10:36 but He is given Himself for us to-- 10:40 He asked us to die lay down our lives 10:42 and He will raises up in Him 10:44 so that those standards could be met. 10:46 Well, you know, if I could have quickly 10:48 I think one of the issues that face is that you know, 10:51 well, we are taught what relationship 10:53 looks like through the media, through you know, 10:55 all these different avenues. 10:56 We're not taught what Jeanne described. 10:58 You know, we're thought that certain things happen 11:01 within the dating process that if you date, you have to kiss. 11:04 If you date you have to hold hands. 11:07 If you date you have to be cuddled up. 11:09 You know, people who date they do these things 11:11 and I think that part of that is having that stuff 11:14 embedded in us to believe. 11:15 In the journey, form where you are go out 11:19 and meet check yes or no, to will you marry me? 11:21 That in that process that there is some things 11:23 we have to do, 11:24 but we don't have to do those things as we learn. 11:26 So you're saying that you only have 11:28 to necessarily hold hands? 11:30 You'll have to do. 11:31 I'm not gonna say I won't because I will hold hands 11:33 but I'm-- you don't have to. 11:35 Then it's possible that we've-- 11:36 as we've learned for that not to happen 11:38 and I think it goes back to something 11:40 we've discussed privately about the fact that you know, 11:43 God really playing an important role 11:45 in the relationship. 11:46 It can't just be all about what you wanted 11:48 with the person wants 11:49 and that's something we can't leave out. 11:51 It's got to be about, you know, how much does God play? 11:54 How much of a part of God play in my relationship, 11:57 you know, and how much do my desires 11:58 lined up with His desires? 12:00 And that the church has a vital role to play in this 12:03 because like you said, 12:05 these are the pictures of course of dating all that 12:09 we're getting from media and society 12:12 which says that you're exclusive, 12:15 boyfriend, girlfriends can sleep over, 12:17 they sleep in the same bed, 12:19 all these misconceptions these are erroneous. 12:24 So that church lets step up 12:26 and to paint the picture how it should work? 12:29 There should be older, wiser people, 12:31 people were experiencing mature they help young people, 12:34 navigate because it's a very murky area to navigate alone. 12:40 Yes, that is so true and here we go now 12:42 to our next part of it because here you are now, 12:44 let's make it practical, 12:45 you there sitting with you're sniffing in other, 12:47 you kind of boot up, 12:49 closer little bit cuddling you know, 12:50 in you get that urge, you get that feeling. 12:52 You know, you want to now may be see test 12:55 waters of kissing on them little bit 12:57 and then you remember this program. 13:00 You remember that, we said, 13:01 you know, to not do that, to not to go down that road. 13:05 And even more specifically what the Bible said, 13:06 what Jesus says, and looking at really 13:08 what it says in 1 Corinthians 6:18 13:10 Paul talking to Corinthians he says, 13:11 "Flee from sexual immorality." 13:13 So you know, here you are now you supposed to flee 13:16 but I do like the fact that it also says in the Bible 13:19 that if you resists the devil he will flee from you. 13:21 So if you are fleeing and the devil is fleeing you 13:23 just gonna be totally you know, out of way. 13:25 But really though looking at this thing 13:28 why then is God telling us to flee from sexual immorality? 13:33 You know, first of all He says flee from sexual immorality, 13:36 it does not say, flee from sex. 13:37 Okay. 13:38 When it's to a husband and wife 13:40 that's God made them to be that way. 13:42 It's fine. 13:43 Since fleeing from sexual immorality you know, 13:46 in my area I live in Sumter, 13:47 I have a church in Manning as well 13:49 and there is a church not too far away from us in Colombia 13:52 that they have a prospective of focus 13:54 and talking about keeping, 13:56 it's called "Keep the Cookie." 13:58 And when we look in that prospective 14:00 and how to keep yourself pure, it's kind of things 14:02 because when we look at how they manufacture furniture, 14:06 there is a couch and is also a loveseat. 14:09 I know when I'm saying about someone 14:11 and if I'm saying about female, and I like her, 14:15 there is three portions there is-- 14:17 if I'm sitting here and she is sitting here 14:19 that's not was-- 14:20 that's not what the prospective is. 14:21 But there is something called a loveseat 14:24 and so when a guy and a girl sit in the loveseat 14:26 it implicates of loveseat is love. 14:29 So now when they sit in that-- 14:31 when they sitting in that those places-- 14:33 "loveseat" and they hang around each other 14:36 and the fragrance that he wears 14:37 and the fragrance that she wears 14:39 and the things that they do 14:40 if they are boyfriend and girlfriend 14:42 or they have so they might just be friends with benefits 14:46 if they finally themselves in situation 14:47 and it goes away for the rest of that person's life 14:51 they gonna have to deal with those things 14:52 because there is a bond that goes on. 14:55 There is a bond that attaches them. 14:57 So when they smell of someone walking down the street 14:59 with that fragrance it's gonna connect to them. 15:01 When they have these various aspects of them 15:03 it's gonna connect them 15:04 and it's gonna be something that they cannot separate, 15:07 it's gonna seal them for life here. 15:09 That's what we should fear-- 15:10 that's what we some type flees from sexual immorality. 15:14 Yeah, that's such a good point and you know, 15:15 and I tell you that is true, you right on target there. 15:18 And I also want to say, you started talking 15:20 about friends benefits we don't coincide 15:21 of that of course that does not. 15:23 That's not what you shouldn't be, 15:25 you know, so Kory, go ahead. 15:26 I think that it goes back to something we talked about 15:30 in part-1 and you know, and what at the-- 15:32 what is that crux of the issues or relationship and the bond. 15:36 And that is that the bond should exists with God first. 15:39 You know, and what we are taught 15:41 through every other avenue except for the church 15:43 is that we should bond to each other. 15:45 Go out there and find the one who completes you. 15:47 Go out there and find the person 15:49 who makes you better. 15:50 Go out there and find the person 15:51 who you feel more compatible with. 15:52 We never really talk about the fact 15:54 that we should trust God to make these decisions. 15:56 So when we get on the couch that's Pastor Nelson, 15:59 right, when the young lady is on the couch 16:00 and I've heard young lady say stuff like this before. 16:02 I was with him, I was alone and he started kissing me 16:06 and I just didn't know what to do. 16:07 I thought it was expected of me to do these things 16:10 and then next you know, you know, 16:11 next you know, we are undressed 16:13 and I just thought this is what comes next, 16:15 you know, but and then I won't say no 16:18 because if I say no, I'll destroy that bond 16:21 that we have and he might want to leave me. 16:23 If I flee the situation all together he will, 16:26 like you said, he might flee too. 16:28 And so we're afraid of that situation 16:30 but if the basis of the relationship 16:33 is trust in God and your bond with God 16:35 then you'll be able to say what if he flees 16:38 then it must be God's will. 16:39 Hey, hey, if he flees may be he is a-- 16:41 the devil, may be he is a devil. 16:43 Right. 16:44 So he is in premarital stage, you know. 16:46 Because you're opposing the standards of the Bible. 16:47 Exactly. 16:50 God says, flee-- the Bible says, 16:54 flee youthful lusts because it's so powerful, 17:00 it's a natural desire He put it in us. 17:03 It's a-- sin is trying to meet 17:06 a legitimate need in a legitimate way out. 17:09 He realizes the power of it so this is why just keep, 17:12 it's like you get two magnets you know close together-- 17:15 close you get together is hard to keep them apart 17:18 and it just the force that draws them together. 17:21 So when you're alone together like you'd scenario 17:24 gave on the couch it's-- 17:27 and it's a natural progression that honestly 17:29 God did not design us to fight 17:31 and this is why you're are kept apart in olden days, 17:35 you know, girls and boys are kept apart 17:38 until they were ready for that next step. 17:42 But like what Kory said I like to-- 17:44 you have to be bonded to God first but also the church. 17:48 God wants to church to be a family. 17:51 He says, keep the bond of peace. 17:53 So, you don't have to fight that alone, 17:56 you have-- if your parents aren't there 17:59 you have older people in the church, 18:02 accountability partners that help you in this process, 18:05 so you don't get stuck by yourself. 18:06 Yeah, and God really knows-- knows all of that. 18:09 You know, He has a-- 18:10 that's why He tells us to flee from it. 18:12 Yeah, and I just want to go back 18:14 to what Marquis was saying, 18:16 you know, about this bonding that goes on, 18:19 there is a lot that goes on in the-- 18:21 in the sexual realm, you know, 18:24 you have a lot of not just physical things going on 18:27 but also physiological and psychological 18:29 and even neurological changes that are going on in your body, 18:32 there are hormones that are secreted 18:34 that literally are designed to bond you with that person. 18:39 And that's why when you're walking down the street 18:41 and a sudden fragrance you know, 18:44 like Marquis is talking about, you know, 18:46 hits you it reminds you some one. 18:48 Human beings are sensual beings, you know, 18:52 that's why God gave us five senses. 18:54 You know, and when you are, you know, 18:58 meeting legitimate needs in illegitimate ways 19:02 then you're literally bonding yourself with someone who-- 19:06 with whom you cannot sustain 19:10 that relationship as it should be. 19:13 So here I'm bonded with Marquis and Kean, and Kory, 19:17 and when I finally get married to the person I'm suppose to, 19:21 it's like I have a mix mash of bonds 19:24 that I literally need to tear away 19:26 before I can literally commit to the person 19:29 I should be I'm married to. 19:32 In practical ways, that is not easy. 19:33 It's not. 19:34 That's something you don't want people to go through 19:36 because it's tough. 19:37 It's that bond is suppose-- 19:38 is beautiful because it suppose to be with your spouse. 19:41 Your spouse. 19:43 And you know well, real quick, real quick and really quick. 19:45 What she is saying is true because and only to realize is 19:48 even though it's hard to flee with us, 19:51 for what I understand talking to married folk, 19:52 a recently married it's even hard to break those bonds 19:56 that you formed before you got married. 19:57 So that's why we're saying don't even make 19:59 those bonds you know, way on to your marriage. 20:01 Yeah, pastor. 20:03 I need to challenge not the church, 20:06 I need to challenge parents. 20:08 Because the problem is I see is that when we-- 20:11 people go to church most people didn't go 20:13 to prayer meeting. 20:14 So you now have a approximately two hours 20:16 out of a 168 hours in a week, 20:18 where parents have been so comfortable thinking 20:22 that their children's life will be changed 20:23 just by the church when the static's tell us 20:27 that the number one influences of the child or the parents. 20:30 Now, yes, a church does have responsibility 20:33 but even more importantly does a parent 20:35 have the responsibility it could-- 20:37 it could be a two people husband and wife, 20:40 mother and father, 20:41 it could be one a mother or a father. 20:43 But those that parent need-- 20:45 those parents need to be very much involved 20:47 in their children and the church should be 20:50 used to supplement that. 20:52 And if we don't do that supplementing 20:54 that process and we've-- 20:56 and just think the parents gonna do 20:57 and the parents trusting the church gonna do it 20:59 we have now lost a generation of people 21:01 who don't know where to go because gangs will do it. 21:05 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 21:07 TV will do it, CDs will do it, 21:09 friends will do it and will enter into their minds 21:12 and seeing to their minds what should they should do 21:14 because they are used to hearing it's in a while. 21:16 This is expected of me, I'm gonna have to go that far. 21:18 Yeah. 21:19 And let's just be real because you know, 21:21 it's hard for us to really get this 21:23 because its become so normal for us 21:25 just to act on our urges, just to have sex, 21:28 to be intimate before marriage 21:31 and reality is isn't the church. 21:32 Yeah, definitely, yeah. It's the new culture now. 21:34 Let's just be realistic you know, 21:36 let the cat out of the bag. 21:38 A lot of people in the church are having sex 21:41 before their marriage, you know, 21:43 more than you realize. 21:44 And you know, I didn't realize, 21:46 it is a part of the underlining culture 21:48 they just expect it for you to do. 21:50 So really what I'm gonna ask now is first of all 21:53 have we lowered our standards as Christians? 21:55 So what I been really saying is wrong 21:57 and is there any excuse we can say what we can-- 22:00 we should be able to do it because hey, 22:02 it is hard to be pure. 22:05 Most churches, denomination wise 22:08 have a church right here 22:09 and homes not too far away from churches 22:12 so you have a lot of people who grow up in a community 22:14 and they go to the church. 22:16 In Seventh-day Adventist culture 22:17 we don't have a lot of churches in our cities, 22:20 so people may go to church but they live far away 22:23 and in mindset it also has been implicated on this-- 22:27 on the younger people is that once they go to church 22:30 they go home they don't come back. 22:32 So no longer do we have that village to raising children 22:34 we decide people go in their separate ways. 22:36 So I'll necessary says that the-- 22:39 about the church in fact I think a lot of times 22:41 is that we have lost our responsibility 22:43 as supplementing that and that's a problem. 22:46 I just want to say something not only have we-- 22:50 have we lowered our standards? 22:51 Yes, we have, but I think one thing 22:54 that I don't want to just to miss is that for the person 22:56 who is watching and who has already been 22:59 in those situations we are saying that it can be done. 23:03 You can make pure choices 23:05 and not just that God does redeemed 23:08 what is taken from you, you know, 23:11 God is in the redeeming business. 23:13 So not-- yes, 23:14 we have abdicated our responsibilities 23:16 but more than that now that we are here 23:19 we are saying you can live that life 23:21 and that you should make this choices 23:23 and that going forward these are-- 23:26 these are some of the principles 23:27 that you can apply. 23:28 You can make provision in your life not to read novels 23:34 that will excite you so that when you do 23:36 get into a relationship 23:37 you kind of already have a built in expectation 23:41 in your mind that this is what I need to be doing you know. 23:44 You can stop watching movies that will excite you 23:48 into doing things that are not necessarily 23:51 where you want to go. 23:52 You can be a-- surround yourself with people 23:55 who build your relationship with Christ 23:59 to more than they encourage you to you know, 24:01 be slipping around with other people. 24:03 Those are some of the practical things 24:04 that we can do. 24:05 Yeah, that's beautiful. You to, Kean. 24:07 So true, Jeanne, I want to add to that 24:10 before all those things 24:13 that you mentioned which are necessary, 24:15 there has to be a foundation because, 24:17 I mean, I can speak from my experience 24:19 you don't have to go out looking for a sin, 24:21 sin will come and find you. 24:23 Reminding your own business and it says, 24:25 hi, you remembered me? 24:29 But so what has to happen is because this is something 24:33 that we can run from, it says, 24:35 flee useful lust but it's in us this desire for procreation 24:40 that God put us into our fore parents Adam and Eve 24:44 and it's been passed down to all our children, it's in us. 24:46 So how do we flee when it's when it's inside of us? 24:49 So this is where it's important to understand 24:52 that God needs us to die 24:55 and it's Christ that gives us the power. 24:57 We can make all of the provisions, 25:00 we can through out our TV, 25:01 we can through out our internet, 25:04 and we won't change it because our nature it's in our DNA. 25:10 We don't know, a lot of times our parents 25:11 won't talk about us-- 25:12 to us about sex because of the mistakes 25:14 that they've made and the shame. 25:16 And this is one of the reasons 25:17 why we don't talk about it in church 25:18 because like you said they'll-- 25:20 because we can't reach the standard, 25:23 we lower it so because its okay, 25:26 I've reached it because now it's here instead of here. 25:29 So this is why death to self, 25:33 new life accepting new life that Christ gives us, 25:36 living in Him that's the only way that we can have success. 25:41 Amen. And that's the way to wrap it up. 25:43 You know, we really have to make sure 25:44 that we're being proactive, we are preparing ourselves. 25:47 Because you know these things are going to happen, 25:48 you know, even us when we leave here, 25:50 you know, these things are gonna-- 25:51 Satan is gonna try to attack us with these things. 25:54 And so we have to know that we have to be prepared 25:57 even with our civic and others to even plan out the time 26:00 we're gonna spend with them, 26:01 so we won't fall into these-- these traps, you know. 26:03 I want to just read this testimony that I received 26:05 from one of the young people at my church, 26:06 who recently got baptized. 26:07 She says, I'm 18-year-old young lady, 26:10 I just got baptized this year 26:12 and I made a commitment to stop having sex. 26:14 The things that helped me was talking to Jesus 26:16 and being faithful to myself about being Christian. 26:18 My situation involved my boyfriend 26:21 who I was having sex with until I got my life turned around, 26:24 and I ran from the situation. 26:26 But recently we talked and he told me that 26:29 we needed to continue having sex but I told him no, 26:32 because I wanted to wait on Jesus 26:33 to let me know when I should. 26:35 Then he said, that if wanted to be with him 26:37 then we would have to have sex. 26:39 So I told him if he can't wait until marriage 26:42 then we don't need to be together. 26:44 So we broke up because I wanted to be here. 26:46 Amen. 26:47 And now I'm with someone who respects me 26:49 and we are waiting until marriage to have sex. 26:51 Amen. That's just a beautiful-- 26:52 Amen. Praise God. 26:54 Yeah, beautiful testimony there, you know, 26:55 it just reminding us that, you know, 26:57 these young people 26:58 they're making commitments they can do it, 26:59 you know, and everyone who is watching, 27:02 everyone who is hearing this, 27:03 reading the Word of God they can do it as well. 27:06 God has something a special design for all of us 27:09 and has someone special designed for all of us 27:11 and if we wait on the Lord 27:13 He is gonna give us what we need. 27:14 Yeah. 27:15 I'm gonna end this with reading this 27:17 from 1 Corinthians 6:13 it says 27:21 "The body is not meant 27:22 for sexual immorality but for the Lord." 27:26 And so all those who are watching, 27:29 remember to honor God with your body 27:30 because you belong to God, no one else, 27:33 you don't belong to Satan, 27:34 you don't belong to anyone else, 27:35 you belong to God and that's should be your first priority. 27:38 So we thank you all so much for this discussion, 27:40 a lively discussion, a good discussion, 27:42 and we have a lot more to discuss keep it going, 27:45 but that's our program for today and always remember 27:48 no matter what make pure choices. 27:51 Thank you. |
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