Pure Choices

Heredity & Sexuality

Three Angels Broadcasting Network

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Participants: Mike Carducci (Host), Raymond King, Ron Woolsey, Wayne Blakely

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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:03 Parents are cautioned that some material
00:05 may be too candid for younger children.
00:40 Hi.
00:42 I'm Mike Carducci, with Coming Out Ministries,
00:44 your host today for Pure Choices.
00:46 Today with me,
00:48 I have my fellow colleagues from Coming Out Ministries,
00:50 Ron Woolsey and Wayne Blakely
00:53 and we also have with us today Elder Raymond King.
00:56 Today our topic is gonna be about
00:58 "Heredity and Sexuality."
01:01 Coming from the homosexual background that I had,
01:05 when I gave my heart to the Lord,
01:07 I wanted to know how this happened.
01:10 I wanted to know why it was that
01:11 I was not in control of who I was attracted to.
01:15 And so as Jesus was leading me out of that lifestyle,
01:19 I was asking God, I said,
01:20 "Lord show me how this happened?
01:22 How was it that, that if I was born gay,"
01:25 which is what I understood
01:27 by the history of 20-years in that lifestyle,
01:30 "then why Lord would you call me an abomination?"
01:33 And so in my search to find legitimate answers to,
01:36 to what it was that that had caused this, you know,
01:39 this understanding or this attraction in me,
01:42 I was desperate to find out
01:44 how homosexuality actually originated.
01:47 My understanding and some of the things
01:49 that I actually was able to glean from,
01:52 from different sermons,
01:53 from different things that I read articles,
01:56 and even my own Bible study,
01:58 was that there was a hereditary component
02:00 and then also there was this environmental component.
02:03 Now, because of my history,
02:05 my mother came from sexual abuse,
02:08 she was molested by her father.
02:09 My grandmother, my mother's mother
02:11 was also raped by her stepfather
02:13 and my great grandmother
02:15 was actually a prostitute during the depression.
02:17 So, you can see the hereditary predisposition
02:20 from the generations of sin and then on my father's side,
02:23 he was a philanderer, he had many affairs.
02:26 He was also a sexual addict which was also
02:30 what I struggled with.
02:31 As well as his father was a musician,
02:34 who was also very popular with the ladies
02:36 and his and my grandmother
02:38 whose father had actually murdered a man
02:41 because he thought
02:42 that somebody was having an affair with his wife,
02:44 he had actually murdered a man and actually died in jail.
02:47 So not only did I see
02:49 the hereditary predisposition for sexual sin,
02:52 but I also saw areas of anger management
02:55 and an impulse control.
02:58 So, today what we want to talk about is,
03:00 we want to talk about the hereditary components.
03:02 One of the phrases that I heard in my quest
03:05 to find out more was the word epigenetics.
03:08 And Dr. Arlene Taylor, I went to a conference of hers
03:12 and she was talking about how epigenetics is,
03:15 is the genetic link that whatever my history is if,
03:20 if I get married and to my wife,
03:22 we actually have a child together,
03:25 what happens is when the egg meets the sperm,
03:27 all of my history all of the, the history from not only me,
03:31 but my generation behind me
03:32 and generation before that is combined with,
03:35 with my wife's and when the child is born,
03:38 all of that history
03:40 actually comes through to that child.
03:42 So I started to recognize
03:44 that some of what I was struggling with,
03:46 were things that I wasn't even responsible for.
03:49 In Exodus 20:5 it talks about
03:52 visiting the sins of the generations,
03:54 "to the third and fourth generations
03:56 of them that hate me."
03:57 And so, I started to see biblical evidence
03:59 that supported the understanding
04:01 that there is a genetic link
04:03 to the sexual sin that I was struggling with.
04:06 I was also raised by a single mother
04:08 and three sisters so,
04:09 so I also had an environmental factor.
04:11 I didn't have a father, a gender role model
04:14 that I could relate to or that I could be affirmed by.
04:18 And so, I also believe that this
04:20 had an influence as well.
04:22 So, panel if you would this morning,
04:24 my first question is, is it possible to be born gay?
04:31 I talked to people about that question myself and,
04:37 I tell them that you cannot be born genetically gay
04:40 but you can be born with, what I call a,
04:43 abnormal sexual appetite.
04:47 In the medical community
04:49 they have a list of abnormal sexual turn on.
04:53 It's called Paraphilias.
04:55 And there are individuals
04:56 who are sexually turned on by their bodies,
04:59 there are people who are sexually turned on
05:02 by older individuals,
05:05 there are people who are sexually turned on by children.
05:07 They call them Pedophiles.
05:10 There are people who are turned on sexually by tattoos.
05:13 So it's a list of different "abnormal" sexual attractions.
05:20 And people didn't understand that because of sin,
05:24 these individuals may, may say well, you know,
05:29 as long I've known I've had this weird desire,
05:33 I've had this weird turned on, where did it come from?
05:36 But I believe because, we are born in sin
05:38 and in iniquity as you said earlier.
05:40 That's right.
05:41 That we indeed, do pick up
05:46 certain sinful tendencies from our forefathers.
05:51 I'm reminded about the end antediluvian and,
05:55 we know that, Adam and Eve were made perfect.
05:59 Because of sin, their first generation was,
06:03 develop a murderer,
06:05 but the mankind had got to the point
06:08 where the Bible says,
06:10 "Their imaginations were only evil continually."
06:13 And it was like that because
06:14 you had generation upon generation of people
06:16 who did not embrace righteousness
06:19 and because of the malignancy of sin,
06:21 we see that sin can totally ruin
06:25 generation upon generation.
06:26 But each generation becomes worse and worse.
06:28 And, so I submit that from a genetic perspective,
06:31 where people can say, we'll,
06:33 you can be justified in your sin
06:35 or justified in your wrongness.
06:36 No, that's not the case.
06:38 But I believe that we can be born
06:40 with evil tendencies.
06:41 Okay. Yeah.
06:43 I would personally, I have had that question
06:45 and I've wondered myself
06:47 and I've come to the conclusion at times that
06:49 that yeah, I was born gay.
06:51 And so, the question back today is
06:54 so what if you can be born gay?
06:57 so, are you saying that if you're born gay
06:59 that you can't be redeemed?
07:01 My mother's prenatal influence on me was that
07:05 she would only have a baby girl and not a boy and so,
07:09 throughout her pregnancy,
07:10 where she was adamant with people
07:12 that she was having only a baby girl.
07:14 So, she had put such much...
07:17 so much emphasis on this before I was born.
07:20 And then, her rejection of me when I was born,
07:23 had conditioned me into being someone
07:26 who would respond to any kind of gay influences.
07:30 But my response again is this,
07:33 there is no hereditary or cultivated sin
07:36 that God cannot redeem you from.
07:38 Amen.
07:39 And so we're all born with a sinful nature.
07:41 It's just that my cross, the one that I carry,
07:44 had to do with same sex attraction.
07:47 You know we, we all come to this panel
07:50 with different experiences and different perspectives
07:56 and that these
07:57 I think to a healthy discussion of the issue
07:59 and I have always had well, when I was in the gay life,
08:03 all those years I was in the gay life,
08:06 I use the same old argument that we all have used,
08:09 except Elder King, who was not in that life.
08:11 That's right. That, that I was born gay.
08:13 And in a way that it was to shut down the discussion.
08:18 I didn't want to be confronted about being gay.
08:22 And so, I actually believe that I was born gay because
08:25 from our earliest memories,
08:26 I had these fantasies and attractions
08:30 to the same gender.
08:33 But I've come to believe and this is my thinking
08:35 that a person's perception is his own reality.
08:38 And so, if a person believes that he is born gay,
08:41 then, so be it.
08:42 And then we then focus on the solution.
08:46 But and that we probably
08:48 will be talking about in another episode.
08:51 But, I have also come to understand
08:54 that children can be born with a sense of rejection
08:57 and this is kind of what Wayne is talking about.
09:00 And if a child is born with a sense of rejection,
09:05 he will grow up looking for acceptance
09:08 and quite often in all the wrong places.
09:11 If a child does not have that acceptance
09:14 and those love cups filled from father and mother,
09:17 he will tend or she will tend to look to fill
09:21 that void in the life through other ways
09:24 and it may be alcohol, drugs, just sexual promiscuity and,
09:30 and of course, in our case,
09:32 we had a void in our lives from our father,
09:36 the father side and,
09:38 and so we were looking to fill that void,
09:41 that sense of rejection with acceptance
09:43 in all the wrong places.
09:45 And so, yes, a child can be born
09:47 with a sense of rejection and then,
09:49 we think that we're just born gay
09:51 and we think it may be genetic,
09:53 when it's actually environmental
09:56 or a conditioning.
09:57 And so we have these different factors.
10:01 I think there are many factors that feed into the,
10:06 the gay reality and so my thinking is,
10:12 I tend to believe more in the conditioning
10:17 and in the rejection
10:18 and the push from environmental sources.
10:22 But yes, there is that inheritance of tendencies
10:27 and weaknesses in sin.
10:30 Well, I think it's important to let our audience know,
10:33 Ron Woolsey is now a pastor
10:35 and has been a pastor for over 20 years
10:37 and was in the lifestyle before that.
10:39 Wayne has also come from the gay lifestyle
10:42 and he was in that lifestyle for over 40 years.
10:45 My history is I was in that lifestyle for 20 years.
10:48 Elder King is what we would call,
10:51 he has a lot of information
10:52 and he also talks a lot about sexual purity
10:55 and he has a ministry as such so.
10:57 I just wanted to give the audience
10:59 a little bit of our, our history
11:00 and what our understanding is in that field.
11:03 So gentlemen, especially, Wayne and Ron,
11:05 I bring this question to you.
11:07 Does everybody have the same experiences?
11:10 Is it, is it true
11:12 that every homosexual comes from the hereditary
11:14 and the environmental factor?
11:16 I don't think so,
11:17 I don't think Satan really cares how he influences us.
11:21 Some today think that you know, God...
11:24 they'll say, "God made me this way."
11:26 So, it's as though they were given the right.
11:28 But we were all born with a fallen nature.
11:31 And in my life, I was at a point
11:34 where I was catering to people
11:36 who were seeking out sexual pleasure.
11:39 And that turned out to be people
11:41 from bisexual backgrounds, heterosexual backgrounds,
11:45 pretty much any kind of background
11:46 and so if they found that they
11:51 experienced the pleasure,
11:53 then they could make choices based on the pleasure
11:56 they were experiencing and begin to decide that,
11:58 oh, I must be gay or I'm gay or I like this,
12:01 I'm gonna go forward in this.
12:03 And so, there's a lot of choice
12:04 with regards to carrying out the behavior,
12:07 not always a choice on what the temptation is.
12:11 Fortunately or unfortunately for me,
12:14 I was never molested.
12:16 And so, I remember as early as six years old,
12:19 knowing that I was different from other boys,
12:21 I recognized that there was something distant
12:25 between me and the other boys in my neighborhood.
12:28 And I think that what that did
12:29 is that's what created this, this question for me,
12:32 where did this come from,
12:33 why is it that I wasn't, you know,
12:35 like other little boys in my neighborhood.
12:37 So, even though it wasn't sexualized for me because,
12:39 I was never molested,
12:41 it was something
12:43 that was a constant nagging question in my mind.
12:45 I though that God had made a mistake.
12:47 I really thought that I was meant to be a girl,
12:49 especially, I was surrounded by women.
12:51 And I certainly didn't relate to my dad or to masculinity.
12:55 So, so as I was searching for this, one of the...
12:59 situations, I know for you Wayne, you know,
13:02 a little bit of your history
13:03 and I want you to elaborate was
13:05 about while you were in vitro,
13:07 your mother was determined
13:08 that she was going to have a girl.
13:10 Is there an influence that goes on prenatally
13:13 before a child is born by the actions of the mother
13:17 and things that the mother incurs?
13:18 What are your thoughts on that?
13:20 Well, I can't reference the exact study,
13:23 but I know the study exists that,
13:24 that has taken place
13:26 that women have a hormonal influence between that...
13:30 like usually between like 12th and 14th week of pregnancy.
13:34 And depending on what their psychological
13:37 presence is during that time,
13:40 and what they're feeling,
13:41 it can have great impact on the fetus.
13:44 And, they've done studies to say that they think that
13:47 this might even help the fetus decide
13:50 what gender it's going to be attracted to
13:53 when the child is born.
13:55 Again, I would say,
13:56 I think anything is really possible
13:59 in this world because of the,
14:01 the influence that the prince has been given,
14:05 the prince of darkness has been given on this world
14:07 to try to tempt us to believe
14:10 a different way than what God would have us believe.
14:13 And yet God has given this his word for us to go to,
14:16 to search out the truth
14:18 and that's why there will be a people,
14:21 not the whole world,
14:22 but a people who will come apart from the world,
14:25 who will see that,
14:27 regardless of the temptations that are put upon them,
14:30 that they have a choice to surrender those temptations
14:34 and God has promised them healing.
14:36 And if I abide in Christ, I can experience that healing,
14:40 and that healing may come about gradually
14:43 or it may come about for some people more instantaneously.
14:47 It depends on that person's relationship
14:49 and their intimacy with Jesus Christ,
14:51 and what God's plan is versus what my plan is.
14:54 I just need to surrender to Him.
14:55 Okay.
14:56 So on that line, I know that
14:59 Dr. Taylor will talk about this woman that was,
15:02 she had a son who's about 12 years old
15:04 and he was obsessed with suicide.
15:06 He wanted to hang himself constantly,
15:08 a 12 year old boy.
15:10 And so, she went to the psychologist
15:12 and was explaining the situation
15:14 and Dr. Taylor asked this women,
15:16 "Can you describe to me, you know, you're...
15:19 your child's early years?"
15:21 Or whatever.
15:22 Nothing traumatic nothing had happened
15:23 and she said, "Well, how about you're pregnancy?
15:25 What kind of pregnancy did you have?"
15:27 and she said, "Well, I had a normal delivery."
15:29 Talked about that the pregnancy,
15:31 it was full term.
15:32 And she said, "Well then, did anything traumatic happen
15:35 while you were pregnant?"
15:36 And she started to share the story
15:38 that, she was driving home one day,
15:40 and her father actually stayed with her other children.
15:42 You know, babysat while she'd be working.
15:44 And as she approached the drive way
15:46 and hit the garage door opener,
15:48 what happened is the garage door open,
15:50 you know, opened
15:51 and she saw her father and he had hung himself.
15:54 The 12 year old boy jumped to his feet
15:56 and he exclaimed "That's it, that's it.
15:59 All I ever thought of is this man hanging."
16:02 And he had never heard the story
16:04 of how his grandfather died.
16:05 This was the first time that he heard that story
16:07 and as they processed the suicide of her father
16:10 that she witnessed while he was in vitro,
16:12 they reorganized the influence of what the mother experienced
16:16 it was also passed to the son.
16:17 And so, Wayne, in particular,
16:20 you're story I think resonates with,
16:22 with some of the same characteristics
16:24 and could you explain
16:25 or maybe elaborate a little bit more about that.
16:27 Well, when you arrive
16:30 having been not wanted from birth,
16:33 you can imagine the conditioning
16:35 is already there.
16:36 And the first two years, you know,
16:39 I was on Air Force Base.
16:41 So my father was always away that gave, you know,
16:44 ample time for my mother to abuse me.
16:47 And before I was two years old
16:49 my mother had broken my arm in two different places.
16:52 So it wasn't going to be natural for me
16:55 to be running into the arms of a woman, and saying,
16:58 "I love you, I love you."
16:59 I wanted to go to the arms of a man
17:02 who provided strength and power
17:05 and compassion and shelter, safety...
17:09 Yes.
17:11 And so, that, that you know,
17:14 that preconditions you to begin to,
17:18 to seek that out in your life.
17:20 And it's such a strong impact at such a very young age
17:24 that it's hard to, to let a division come in over.
17:28 And so, because the church community really didn't know
17:32 how to reach out to me, you know,
17:34 I went for many, many years before that pattern of,
17:37 of the false identity or being drawn to something
17:42 that God didn't intend for me to be drawn to,
17:45 He wants me to have right relationships with men.
17:48 But He didn't want me to have
17:49 the intimate relationships that I came to have
17:52 because it was the only way
17:53 I seem to be able to relate and find comfort.
17:57 I wasn't going to find that comfort in a woman.
18:00 All right. Can say something? Yes.
18:02 I think it's really, really important to establish
18:06 how the actions of the parent will affect the child.
18:11 I have real good,
18:14 I'm gonna call my favorite writer made the statement.
18:17 It says, "When parents and children meet
18:19 at the final reckoning,
18:21 what a scene will be presented!
18:24 Thousands of children who have been slaved
18:27 to appetite and debasing vice,
18:31 whose lives are moral wrecks,
18:34 will stand face to faith with the parents
18:36 who made them what they are.
18:39 Who but the parents must bear this faithful responsibility?
18:43 Did the Lord make these youth corrupt?
18:46 Oh, no!
18:47 Who, then, has done this fearful work?
18:50 Where not the sins of the parents transmitted
18:54 to the children in perverted appetites and passions?"
19:00 We all talk about our family tree.
19:05 But the Lord gave me inspiration about,
19:09 talking about our sexual tree.
19:12 You know, the Bible talked about two becoming one.
19:15 And I'll tell people,
19:17 those individuals that you get involved with sexually,
19:21 I thought of God's will,
19:23 we'll have a impact eventually on the children that you bear.
19:28 Take someone who has been sexually active.
19:31 There's no telling what type of demonic influences
19:36 or inherited family tendencies
19:40 are now being brought into their marriage relationship
19:43 and consequently, their offspring.
19:45 So, based upon this information
19:47 that this author is trying to establish,
19:51 there is a very viable anticipation
19:56 of sinful activity of the parent
19:59 being passed on to the child.
20:01 So this is powerful.
20:03 Imagine me in 52 years old is
20:05 and the question that's been burning in my heart
20:07 since I was a six year old boy,
20:09 we've been able to substantiate
20:10 that there is a hereditary tendency.
20:14 At this point what I'd like to do
20:15 is now talk about the redemptive part.
20:17 How is it that we can break this cycle?
20:20 The entire plan of salvation is about this very thing.
20:23 For all sin, for every issue as God,
20:27 in His love reaches out to His children,
20:30 and they begin to respond to that drawing power,
20:33 He creates in their heart an enmity for sin.
20:37 Genesis 3:15, talks about the
20:39 "enmity between thee and the women."
20:41 He's talking to Satan.
20:42 So as we respond
20:44 that drawing power of Jesus and His love,
20:47 we start developing a hatred for who we are,
20:52 for the sin in our lives
20:53 and we find ourselves disgusting.
20:56 I know in my case,
20:57 I developed a disgust for my life.
21:01 And always hurting people
21:03 and in the shame and the stigma.
21:05 And with that,
21:07 and then we come to the Lord and we say,
21:09 "Lord, take this thing from me.
21:11 I don't like this. I don't like who I am."
21:14 And His whole plan is to, to redeem us from our sins.
21:18 In Jeremiah chapter 3, we read that,
21:21 "If we will only acknowledge."
21:22 He says, "Only acknowledge thine iniquity.
21:26 And I will heal your backsliding."
21:28 So in my case,
21:30 I finally came to the realization
21:32 that I'm dealing with the sin issue here.
21:34 And, it doesn't matter, where it came from,
21:37 sin is a mystery in itself
21:40 and so rather than excuse it and explain it
21:43 and try to analyze it, He says,
21:45 just acknowledge you're dealing with a sin issue.
21:48 And once we do that
21:49 and we come and acknowledge that this is a sin issue,
21:51 can you help me overcome this sin.
21:54 Jesus came to save his people from their sins.
21:56 Yes.
21:58 And, with that understanding and we go to Him,
22:00 then we have these beautiful promises
22:02 throughout the Bible
22:04 about how He can help us overcome
22:06 and if we're, if are using that excuse
22:10 that "I was just born this way."
22:11 I love it when Jesus says, "Well, then be born again."
22:14 Amen.
22:15 And now we can no longer blame our heredity,
22:17 because now we're sons and daughters of God.
22:20 Are we going to blame God because we're gay?
22:22 And a lot of people do.
22:24 They say, "God made me this way."
22:25 No, God wants you to be born again
22:28 and then start over.
22:30 And then you have His divine nature to draw upon,
22:33 you think about His nature as your heredity now
22:36 rather than that of your past.
22:38 And the Bible gives so many guidelines, you know,
22:42 "Let this mind to be in you,
22:44 which was also in Christ Jesus."
22:46 In 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
22:49 Verse 11, especially,
22:51 when Paul is telling the Corinthians,
22:53 "And such were some of you. But ye are washed."
22:56 Yes. "Ye are sanctified."
22:58 That's right.
22:59 "Ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus,
23:00 and by the Spirit of our God."
23:03 The Bible is filled with texts.
23:05 It tells us that these, whatever it is,
23:07 it can be a past issue.
23:09 It does not have to be your identity,
23:11 it does not have to be your present.
23:13 II Corinthians 5:17.
23:15 "Therefore if any man be in Christ,
23:17 he is a new creature."
23:19 We all love that text,
23:21 because we claim that we are new creatures in Christ,
23:24 we are new creations.
23:25 New motives, the,
23:27 the new birth consists of new motives,
23:30 new tastes and new tendencies.
23:33 It is a process. But it happens.
23:36 Yeah, we develop that genuine conversion changes
23:40 both hereditary and cultivated.
23:43 And I say even created tendencies,
23:46 which are wrong.
23:47 So this is what the plan of salvation is all about.
23:51 And that's what we're here to share.
23:53 We have been there, we have been on that bad,
23:56 that dark side and by God's grace,
24:00 we are new creatures in Christ.
24:01 We don't identify anymore
24:04 with the sin and with the temptation,
24:06 but with the power of God
24:08 to save even the homosexuals from his sin.
24:11 Amen. Amen.
24:13 Amen.
24:14 Yeah, you know I love
24:15 the beauty of the acknowledgment
24:17 because the acknowledgment is in the repentance
24:20 and recognizing in our sinful selves
24:23 that the only hope, the only redemption
24:25 is through Jesus Christ.
24:27 So when I surrender, when I fall upon him
24:30 that I can claim to be
24:32 that new creation in Jesus Christ,
24:33 because He has given me a new start,
24:36 regardless of my sinful nature.
24:37 Wow, powerful.
24:39 For me personally, I remember during that time,
24:42 I started to read the book, "Ministry of Healing"
24:44 which is in my opinion, the textbook for overcoming.
24:48 And even just on the first page it talks about
24:50 that the same Jesus that came 2,000 years ago
24:53 is the same Jesus today, who healed man completely.
24:57 It said, "Anyone they came to Jesus Christ,
24:59 never left halfway healed.
25:02 That He healed them completely in mind, body and spirit."
25:06 And when I read those words,
25:07 I started to apply that to myself
25:09 and knew that that was a promise
25:11 that I could glean and to say,
25:12 I started to recognize that if Jesus,
25:16 was telling me that my lifestyle
25:17 was an abomination,
25:18 He better have the answer or He's no Savior at all.
25:21 Amen.
25:22 You know the Bible talks, describes Jesus,
25:25 in a number of ways.
25:26 "He's the Alpha and the Omega."
25:28 Well, that's like the alphabet A to Z.
25:30 "The beginning and the end, the first and the last."
25:34 And when you couple that
25:36 with the text in Philippians 2:13
25:38 that it is God, which work within us,
25:41 to will and to do of His good behavior...
25:44 His good pleasure, well, He's not a quitter.
25:47 He's the Alpha and Omega,
25:49 what He starts in us, He will finish.
25:52 And, Philippians 1:6, I think there it said,
25:54 "We can be confident of this very thing
25:57 that He which has begun a good work in you."
26:00 Yes. Even the homosexual.
26:02 That's right.
26:03 "Will, perform it until the day of Jesus Christ."
26:05 Amen.
26:07 And so, it is through His righteousness,
26:08 as He covers us with His righteousness
26:11 and as He works out that righteousness in us,
26:13 He will not give up on us.
26:16 He can perform that good work in us.
26:20 Very good. Amen.
26:22 So, I think what we've really tried to establish here,
26:25 we want to reach not only those in church culture
26:28 that that say, "That this was a choice."
26:31 That, Gentlemen, was it ever a choice?
26:33 Did you choose to be gay?
26:35 We chose to give into the temptation.
26:37 Okay.
26:39 And, of course,
26:40 that could be a very lengthy discussion in itself.
26:42 But, what I came to understand is
26:44 when I realized there was a way out,
26:47 if I did not take the way out,
26:49 then I chose to be gay.
26:51 But I chose to come out of that.
26:54 And so yes, choice is very much involved.
26:57 But it also, if...
26:59 for my own experience which is all I can speak from.
27:02 I was on this train track into it
27:04 and I didn't know how to get help.
27:06 I knew I needed help.
27:08 But didn't know how to get help and so,
27:10 I can honestly say, it wasn't a choice
27:12 that I consciously made.
27:13 I felt like I had no other.
27:15 And so, what we're trying to relate
27:16 to is in church culture,
27:18 to recognize that people who struggle with homosexuality
27:21 may not know how to get off of that train too,
27:24 and so, by establishing some of the hereditary factors
27:27 and some of the environmental issues,
27:29 we're hoping to not only educate church culture
27:31 into how to receive homosexuals and to minister to them,
27:35 but also for the homosexuals who may be struggling
27:38 to help them to identify with where this may have begun.
27:42 So, Gentlemen, thank you for your time very much
27:44 and again, Elder King,
27:46 for coming and for my colleagues,
27:49 Wayne and for Ron and this is Pure Choices
27:52 and we hope that
27:53 you'll come back and join us again.


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