Participants: Wayne Blakely (Host), Mike Carducci, Ron Woolsey
Series Code: PC
Program Code: PC000038
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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:03 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:05 may be too candid for younger children. 00:40 Hello, I'm Wayne Blakely from Coming Out Ministries. 00:43 Welcome to Pure Choices today. 00:46 Joining me today are Michael Carducci, 00:49 my ministry colleague, and Ron Woolsey, 00:52 also a ministry colleague and pastor. 00:55 You know, we want to talk to you today, 00:57 as a viewer who might be wondering 01:00 what's our walk like now, 01:02 since we have been redeemed from homosexuality 01:06 and we're back and we're living in the presence of God, 01:10 what's our day look like and what kind of connection 01:13 do we keep with our Savior Jesus Christ, 01:18 what is, what are our lives looking like in contrast 01:22 to how they used to look like. 01:24 And so, I share this you know, 01:26 wherever I go when I speak in churches, in schools 01:30 about how my life has changed. 01:32 And the only way that change is possible 01:35 is by a concentration on Jesus and on His word. 01:40 So I'm going to open up today a little bit with regards 01:44 to what I do to help me stay in touch with Jesus. 01:48 And that is that I get up early in the morning, 01:52 and I notice that if I don't my days 01:55 a whole lot different than if I do, 01:57 and I try to spend an hour with God in the morning. 02:00 And that's through reading His word 02:03 or sometimes I'll choose to read 02:04 something spiritually influenced. 02:08 And then I'll take time and spend in prayer, 02:10 and not just about things about my own life 02:13 but about my care and my love for others um, 02:16 actually pray for each of you, each day. 02:19 Some people may not realize that 02:20 while we are a ministry together, 02:23 we were divinely intervened with by God. 02:26 But then we were brought together 02:28 by divine appointment 02:29 and we actually reside at different places 02:32 throughout the United States. 02:33 So we're not always in the presence of each other. 02:37 And so the power of prayer is so important in that time 02:40 we are absent from each other. 02:42 And then of course, 02:43 we do get together at times in person 02:46 and on the phone and we're able to pray together 02:50 and share with each other about what God is doing in our lives. 02:54 And I have a special Christian author, 02:58 Ellen White, who has written 03:01 so many things out of such great inspiration. 03:04 And today, I have not only 03:06 a full time ministry but I also work 03:09 in the public sector full time as well. 03:12 And there are times when I have come home from work and. 03:17 I have been just, you know, 03:18 really worn down from all the things 03:21 that I'm doing at work and maybe in planning 03:24 and things that are going on in ministry as well. 03:26 But if I let go of that relationship that 03:29 I'm having or have had with Jesus, 03:32 I know that my life is going to do deteriorate rapidly. 03:36 So I'm so glad that we have things 03:39 like the internet and computers today 03:41 because I turn around and I've done this. 03:44 I've gone to the book, Steps To Christ by Ellen White, 03:47 and there's a chapter, Chapter 7 03:50 on the test of discipleship. 03:53 And I let that whole chapter play 03:57 while I'm falling to sleep. 03:58 And one of the, my favorite references 04:02 plays over and over and over 04:04 and I never get tired of hearing it. 04:06 And so I just wanted to share that today. 04:10 And it says, "Those who become new creatures in Christ Jesus 04:15 will bring forth the fruits 04:17 of the Spirit, love, joy, peace." 04:23 Oops. Long-suffering. 04:25 Oh, is that a misprint? Right. 04:27 You know, I like to share that with people 04:29 because who would ever think 04:31 that long-suffering is supposed to be a fruit. 04:33 I mean, isn't, oh, wait a minute, 04:35 is it that the streets of gold are in heaven and not earth, 04:38 is that right? 04:39 So sometimes down here 04:41 the terrain may be a little rocky 04:43 but that doesn't mean that God isn't there by our side 04:45 or carrying us through something. 04:48 "Gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance," 04:53 as stated in Galatians 5:22-23. 04:56 And she says, "They will no longer fashion themselves 04:59 according to their former lust, 05:02 but by the faith of the Son of God 05:04 they will follow in his steps, reflect his character 05:08 and purify themselves as he is pure. 05:13 The things they once hated they now love, 05:17 and the things they once loved, they now hate." 05:21 Amen. That's powerful. 05:22 It is so powerful because I have found 05:24 that my life has done, you know, 180 05:28 and it's so true that the things that 05:31 I found myself doing in idle time, 05:35 I used to go in search of men to satisfy my flesh, 05:42 and today, I'm looking for Jesus to satisfy 05:45 the spirit of my life with his Holy Spirit. 05:49 And so I want to ask you guys today, 05:52 you know, Mike, tell me a little bit about what your, 05:56 your walk is like with God today in contrast 05:59 to how it used to be. 06:01 Well, I'd say the number one thing 06:04 that has changed for me 06:06 is recognizing the intimacy that I need. 06:09 I was so broken from intimacy in my own life, 06:13 it was from the rejection at the, at a time 06:15 when I wasn't even conscious, and I never realized 06:18 how that not only got in the way 06:20 of my casual relationships 06:23 but certainly even the relationships 06:25 that I was in, you know, even with men 06:27 while I was in the gay lifestyle. 06:29 What I realize now is that 06:31 until I acknowledge the personal relationship 06:37 that Jesus wants with me, 06:38 it doesn't have much of an application. 06:40 I could read the words and like you, 06:42 you know, the worship time is the fullest for me 06:45 because when I remember that Jesus wants to be my friend, 06:49 when I realize that Jesus wants 06:51 to be a part of every aspect of my life, 06:54 then I start to realize that I can trust him 06:56 because of the path that we've been walking on. 06:59 And it was rough at first and pretty messy. 07:02 But what I recognize now is that He's my encourager. 07:05 He's not the one that tells me the lies 07:08 that I'm not accepted or that I'm not worthy, 07:11 which are the old tapes that I've heard. 07:13 And so when I realize the level of intimacy 07:15 that He wants, when I don't have that, 07:18 all of this separation comes in, 07:20 the loneliness, the despair, 07:22 and so it helps me to keep in check, 07:25 am I being real, am I being authentic. 07:28 And that to me has been something that has grown. 07:32 And even as a little child, you know, doesn't necessarily, 07:36 you know, run until they learn to walk. 07:37 I'm recognizing that I was so stunted 07:40 in that ability to recognize intimacy 07:43 that He's been with me on that journey to show me 07:46 how much He really does care and the level that He wants. 07:49 You know, I wake up in the morning 07:50 and before I even open up the word 07:52 I'm already talking to Jesus. 07:54 I'm asking Him to help me with the things 07:56 that are already pressing upon my mind when I wake up, 07:59 as well as when I go to bed at night. 08:00 I've actually had the conversation 08:03 where I said, "Lord, if this is the best 08:05 it's ever going to be, I'm okay." 08:08 Because I have satisfaction, I have that level of intimacy 08:11 that's enough to take me through, 08:13 you know, until things change. 08:14 So if God has something more I'm open, but I'm content. 08:18 For the first time in my life I'm actually content 08:20 with where we're at as long as I'm abiding in that love 08:25 because it really does satisfy me. 08:27 I know also for me one of the things 08:29 I recognize is I'd spent 16 years 08:32 as an aerobic instructor and totally feeding the flesh 08:35 and wearing a piece of Lycra like 08:37 maybe about that big as I was-- 08:38 Teach my classes, I realized that I didn't understand 08:42 the value of the physical body. 08:44 And as I started to realize 08:46 about how temptation for me was visual, 08:49 the Lord started to show me that by covering up more, 08:52 by you know, being more modest 08:55 with the way that I dress and not flaunting, 08:57 you know, the flesh, if you would, 08:58 I started to see my body as something different. 09:01 And the other tools that I was able to gain 09:03 were things like cleaning up my diet, 09:06 getting into exercise more 09:08 because each one of the laws of health 09:10 actually assist me in the strength 09:12 that I need to receive from the Holy Spirit. 09:14 So the cleaner I recognize that this body is, 09:17 if it's the temple of the Holy Spirit, 09:19 the more I prepare it 09:21 for an opportunity to receive more. 09:23 I've understood more 09:25 of the Holy Spirit's speaking to me 09:27 and I've actually been able to gain access to information 09:30 that I wouldn't have had otherwise. 09:32 And that has proved to be a very powerful tool 09:34 for me as well. 09:36 Wow. Absolutely. 09:37 You know, one of the things that I pray about is, 09:41 each day is that I ask that God will help me 09:44 fall in love with Him more and more each day. 09:48 And you have been numerous times 09:51 an inspiration to me. 09:58 There are times when the struggle 10:00 can get a little rough, our feelings can come play 10:03 the bad tapes and it can be painful. 10:07 I have recently had some experience 10:10 where I didn't feel God's presence 10:13 but you have helped me remind that God is definitely present, 10:18 and to acknowledge God's presence 10:21 and His influence in my life even when I don't feel it. 10:24 We lift each other up. We do. 10:26 And so that's the kind of relationship 10:28 that God wants to wire us with, 10:31 with same gendered relationships today 10:33 rather than one being lustful but one of being of the spirit, 10:37 of the Holy Spirit in lifting each other 10:40 for healing in Jesus Christ 10:41 and helping each other with our daily walk with God. 10:44 And so, I want to point out here that 10:46 not only is our time important to be spent with God each day, 10:51 but that you involve yourself with your Christian community. 10:55 And don't, don't maybe look at, at churches becoming a routine 11:02 or something that we get into the habit of 11:05 but that we begin to find actual involvement in, 11:11 with other Christians. 11:13 And one of those things that I do 11:15 is by getting involved with a small community group. 11:18 And since I was baptized and came back to God, 11:21 I meet with this group weekly 11:23 and they are members of the church 11:25 but we get together throughout 11:28 between one Sabbath and the next. 11:31 We get together for a meal, we pray together, 11:34 we study together, and we lift each other up, 11:36 we have a confidentiality agreement. 11:39 So I know that the things that I'm sharing in this group, 11:43 you know, aren't just being spread church wide, 11:46 this is an intimate group of believers 11:48 who have who continually lift me up 11:51 and I lift them up. 11:52 And we've done this for the last four years. 11:54 It's just an amazing experience. 11:56 So that brings completion 11:58 to the whole picture of the relationship 12:01 with Jesus Christ in my life and Him today. 12:03 And your Bible study is a place where you feel safe, right. 12:06 Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. 12:08 Now, Ron, you know you have written some things 12:11 and you have done this on your website 12:14 and in a book that you've written 12:16 and you talk about the Rainbow of God's Promises. 12:21 Can you tell me what that's been like for you 12:23 and could you share some of those promises with us? 12:26 Yes, this is something that's very important to me 12:28 and in reference to the book, 12:30 the last chapter of that book is called 12:32 You Too Can Be Made Whole. 12:35 And that whole chapter is about what we're talking about today, 12:38 tools for victory, to lead us to victory 12:43 and to sustain us in victory. 12:45 And we all have a commonality in this. 12:48 I mean, we share the same tools 12:51 I mean, in talking to each other, 12:53 we know we have the same methods here. 12:55 Right. 12:56 And of course, we're each talking about 12:58 different aspects and different wants, 13:01 this Rainbow Of Promises for me has been so helpful 13:05 because we are told in the Philippines 2:5, 13:08 "Let this mind be in you, 13:10 which was also in Christ Jesus." 13:12 Is that possible? 13:13 So how do we let this mind, of course, it's possible. 13:16 If it says let it, that means allow it. 13:19 That's right. I've experienced that. 13:20 Right. So how do we allow it? 13:23 Well, then we have to read His mind. 13:27 And how do we read His mind? 13:28 Well, He spelled it out in His word. 13:31 And so what I did in this Rainbow Of Promises, 13:33 I've collected a whole compilation 13:36 of power packed promises 13:39 because there's power in the word. 13:42 I believe, you know, this power in the word 13:46 "For he spake, and it was done, 13:48 he commanded, and it stood fast," 13:49 you know, "By the word of the Lord 13:51 were the heavens made." 13:52 The powerful word, and that's revealed to us. 13:55 And so if we let this mind be in us, 13:57 which was also in Christ Jesus, 13:58 I started reading some of these promises and I use them. 14:03 For example, Romans 12:1 tells us 14:06 and I think this is very applicable to us 14:10 in our experience where Paul says, 14:12 "Present your bodies a living sacrifice." 14:16 So to do that, we have to have things in proper perspective. 14:20 God is on the throne. 14:22 Love Him supremely, 14:23 that's the first in great commandments. 14:25 Amen. 14:26 Our neighbors as ourselves, we put ourselves last. 14:28 And so to do that we do have to present our bodies 14:33 anything that conflicts with God 14:35 on the throne, we sacrifice it. 14:37 Yes. 14:38 Easily said, not easy, so easily done. 14:41 Okay, all right. But doable, none the less. 14:43 And then the very next verse says, 14:45 "And be not conformed to this world 14:47 but be ye transformed." 14:49 How? "By the renewing of your mind." 14:51 And here we go right back to let this mind be in you, 14:54 "That ye may approve what is that good, 14:56 and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." 14:58 So these are types of verses and there are so many of them 15:01 that are so powerful. 15:04 Another, for example, 15:06 in studying about Jesus himself. 15:08 Hebrews 4, "He was tempted in all points like as we are, 15:11 yet without sin." 15:12 Hebrews 2, "He suffered being tempted." 15:15 Hebrews 12, "He resisted unto blood striving against sin." 15:21 So that helped me understand 15:22 that even Jesus knows our struggle 15:25 and with that, then there's 1 Corinthians 10:13 15:28 that tells us "There has no temptation taken you 15:33 but such as is common to man." 15:35 We tend to put this thing about homosexuality up 15:38 as this huge mountain that is insurmountable. 15:42 And God, the Paul says, 15:44 oh, don't be so fool of yourself, you know. 15:48 That's just, that's right. 15:50 This is common to man 15:51 but "God is faithful who will not suffer 15:54 you to be tempted above that you are able 15:58 but will with the temptation 16:00 also make a way to escape that ye may be able to bear it." 16:03 Praise God. 16:05 So in all of these promises, Mike, and Wayne, 16:07 what we see is God's grace is sufficient. 16:11 What ever we have to deal with from day to day, 16:15 His strength is made perfect in our weakness, there is, 16:19 you know, there are plenty of tools to work with. 16:21 Yeah. 16:22 You know, I think it's so important to remember 16:25 and you know, no matter how many times 16:27 you get the reminder, 16:28 we tend to keep forgetting just as many times 16:31 but it is a, making this decision isn't something 16:36 that just comes through feelings again. 16:39 You know, a faith experiences often lack of feeling. 16:43 It's a "Thus saith the Lord." He said it and so I believe it. 16:47 That pinches a little. Yeah. 16:50 And you know, I remind myself too 16:52 that Jesus was definitely tempted 16:55 and He had some frustrating moments, like, 16:57 when he was in Gethsemane 16:59 and nobody would stay up in His deep darkest hour, 17:03 they wouldn't stay up and pray with Him. 17:06 And even on the cross as He hung there, 17:09 you know, He was calling upon His Father. 17:11 You know, could this cup be passed some way, you know. 17:16 Three times, Wayne. There was such great darkness. 17:19 But who was closest to Him in that darkness 17:23 when He couldn't feel? 17:24 His father. Wayne, I so identify with that. 17:28 In the in the book Desire Of Ages, 17:30 it talks about how God's presence 17:32 was right beside His son in that black darkness. 17:35 The quote even says that 17:37 God makes His pavilion darkness. 17:39 So while the sun was on the cross, 17:41 suffering and dying because of our sins, 17:44 God couldn't let Him know that He was there. 17:45 But I love how she describes that moment 17:48 because the angels and God were right beside His son 17:51 and He covered the cross, 17:52 because He couldn't allow people to see 17:54 His shame and suffering anymore. 17:56 But while Jesus was on the cross, 17:58 His Father was right beside Him. 17:59 And I take great courage from that 18:01 thinking about the times 18:02 when my life is at its darkest and, 18:05 and I can't see the way out, 18:06 and I don't know how God's going to deliver it. 18:09 But when I think about that moment 18:10 when He was beside the cross, 18:12 I also think about the fact that I can claim that as well. 18:15 One of the verses that really helped me 18:18 especially, you know, when I fallen 18:20 is the one Isaiah 49:25 that says, 18:22 "I will contend with him that contends with you." 18:26 And then in Ministry of Healing it says, 18:28 "Let these souls in their helpless, 18:30 unworthiness cast themselves upon the mercy 18:33 of their compassionate Savior. 18:34 Don't look at yourself but look to Christ." 18:37 And it goes on to say, "Then grasp His promises 18:40 as leaves from the tree of life. 18:42 He that comes to me I will never cast out. 18:45 As you come to Him believe that He accepts you 18:48 because He has promised. 18:50 And as you do this, you can never perish, never." 18:54 And I love how she puts the emphasis on never. 18:57 And if I've fallen, you know, I catch myself at that point 19:01 where I feel like God has rejected me 19:03 and there's no way that He could take me back, 19:05 this quote helps me to identify again 19:07 not to trust in the feelings or the lies that are coming 19:10 but to recognize by the Word of God 19:12 that I have a right to go. 19:13 Because Jesus has already suffered in my behalf 19:16 and every sin has been accomplished on the cross. 19:19 Yeah. 19:20 It's such a powerful inspiration 19:22 that comes from His word and from the writings 19:27 of spiritually inspired individuals. 19:31 Ron, you had another promise 19:33 I think that you wanted to share. 19:35 Yes. And actually there are two. 19:38 And these are so pertinent to people 19:42 that came from where we came from. 19:45 Because you know, a big part of the homosexual life 19:48 is fantasizing, imagining, 19:51 and getting all worked up through that. 19:55 And Paul addresses that in 2 Corinthians 10:5 19:59 when he says, "Casting down imaginations." 20:01 In other words, we can stop those fantasies, 20:05 we can stop thinking in that direction. 20:08 "Casting down imaginations, 20:09 and every high thing 20:11 that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, 20:14 and bringing into captivity every thought 20:18 to the obedience of Christ." 20:20 We, I mean, just the word tells us 20:23 and we know if God says it then it's doable. 20:27 We can bring our thoughts into captivity, 20:30 we can train our thinking. 20:32 And we do that by supplanting 20:35 those bad thoughts with good thoughts 20:38 and primarily through the word of God. 20:40 And then this one other passage 20:42 that is I think is so important to us 20:45 on a daily basis and I know we practiced this. 20:47 We, I've heard you talk about it, 20:49 and Mike, you talk about it. 20:51 And it's in James 4:7-8, 20:55 "Submit yourselves therefore, to God." 20:58 Daily, "Submit yourselves therefore to God, 21:01 resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 21:06 Draw nigh to God, and He will draw nigh to you." 21:10 But then he goes on to say, 21:12 "Cleanse your hands, ye sinners, 21:14 and purify your hearts, ye double minded." 21:17 So there is a work for us to do. 21:18 As we submit to God, we resist the devil, 21:22 and we start practicing Holy living. 21:26 We put aside the practices that were offensive to God, 21:30 that are offensive to God, 21:31 we cleanse our hands and purify our hearts. 21:33 Right. 21:35 You know, again this is it's a faith walk, 21:37 you know, there are a lot of people today 21:38 in the world would go, 21:40 "Why are you guys putting yourself through this?" 21:42 But you know, our hope comes through Jesus Christ. 21:45 And if you believe in the hope in Jesus Christ, 21:48 you know what a life he has there for you 21:51 if you will abide in Him 21:52 and seek to do His will instead of your own. 21:55 That's why it's about self-denial, 21:58 it's about self-sacrifice and giving yourself over to Him 22:01 rather than giving yourself over to the world. 22:03 When I hear that verse I frequently hear people go, 22:07 "Yeah, that's right, resist the devil." 22:10 But what they often don't remember 22:12 is the submit part where He's asking for us 22:17 to submit ourselves to Him 22:19 because that's where the power comes from. 22:21 And once we've submitted ourselves to Him, 22:24 then He gives us the strength 22:25 and the power to resist the devil 22:28 and the devil will flee from us. 22:30 You know, Wayne, that word submit to me, 22:33 the word that I can actually put in there 22:35 that really identifies 22:36 or I identify with is really don't resist. 22:40 Well, liked to submit sounds so humiliating to me 22:44 and not that it's wrong but the word 22:46 that really makes it viable for me is Mike, 22:49 just stop resisting Me, and give Me permission 22:52 and then incredible things happen. 22:54 And I have a thought on that too 22:56 because in our humanity, 22:58 for a little while, at least we're lower than the angels. 23:01 Satan is an angel. Right. 23:03 We are no match in our humanity for the supernatural. 23:07 That's right. 23:08 But God is divine and Satan is no match for Him. 23:12 That's right. 23:14 So if we in our humanity reach around 23:15 and grasp the hand of divinity, 23:18 we become connected to that divinity 23:22 and Satan is no match, that's why it's important. 23:24 Submit yourself therefore to God, 23:27 grasp His hand, then resist the devil 23:30 and he will flee, why? 23:32 Because the bully is no longer 23:34 the big guy on the playing ground, 23:36 on the playground 23:37 when you're holding the hand of daddy. 23:39 That's right. So that's why... 23:42 And the devil is defeated. Yes, right. 23:43 Now as a viewer I think that you can right about 23:46 now begin to see how a transformation 23:50 is beginning to take place in our lives. 23:52 See, the transformation isn't just when Jesus comes 23:56 and takes us to heaven, 23:57 it's actually beginning to take place right here on earth. 24:01 And one of my favorite quotes comes out, 24:04 again, of the Desire Of Ages 24:06 written by Ellen White on page 658, 24:12 and she says, "All true obedience 24:15 comes from the heart. 24:17 It was heart work with Christ. 24:20 And if we consent, 24:22 He will so identify Himself with our thoughts and aims, 24:27 so blend our hearts and minds into conformity to His will 24:32 that when obeying Him we shall be 24:34 but carrying out our own impulses. 24:37 The will refined and sanctified 24:40 will find its highest delight in doing His service. 24:45 When we know God 24:47 as it is our privilege to know Him, 24:49 our life will be a life of continual obedience. 24:54 Through an appreciation of the character of Christ, 24:58 through communion with God sin will become hateful to us." 25:03 Praise God. Amen. 25:05 So I think that that's, 25:07 again, this is this is the transformation 25:09 that's taking place as we spend each and every day 25:12 searching the scriptures and reading 25:14 and being inspired by God and by His writers. 25:20 Life looks a lot different today 25:22 than it used to, doesn't it? 25:23 Well, the tsunami of sin that used to just overtake me, 25:28 you know, God has shown me that that by exercising our muscles, 25:31 they become stronger. 25:33 So by exercising the faith muscle, 25:35 when temptation comes up instead of letting it slime me, 25:38 and those around me, what I'm learning is that 25:41 as I exercise that faith muscle to take the temptation 25:44 and to send it up, 25:46 and give it to the one who can handle it, 25:47 as you were demonstrating, 25:49 then what's happening is I'm learning 25:51 that process of giving it to God 25:54 so that it doesn't slime me. 25:55 And now what used to be the tsunami is a net 25:57 that I can swat out of the way. 25:59 And so I had no idea that the pressure would be lifted 26:03 and that I would actually experience 26:05 that kind of freedom. 26:06 That's right. 26:07 So if you are viewing 26:09 and you've seen this as a daunting sin 26:12 or attraction that has hung over you, 26:15 hope for homosexuality, yes, 26:17 but if you're looking at other sin temptations in our lives, 26:22 what would you say to the viewer 26:23 that would help them engage in making the first step 26:29 with a new life with Jesus Christ? 26:32 Well, there has to be that recognition of a need. 26:36 That's why we only acknowledge. 26:38 See, all of my years in the world saying, 26:41 God made me this way, I was born this way, 26:44 my daddy did this, that man did that, 26:46 and blame, blame, blame, I was justifying myself. 26:50 And as long as I was justifying myself, 26:52 God could not justify me. 26:55 I had to get to the point where I said, 26:56 you know, I have some responsibility here. 26:59 Yes, I was a victim but I also made bad choices. 27:04 And so when I started acknowledging 27:05 the role I played in my situation, 27:09 that's when God steps in and says, now I can heal. 27:12 If you acknowledge that 27:13 what you're dealing with is a sin issue, 27:15 He has a remedy for sin, 27:17 but not for an acceptable, alternative lifestyle. 27:20 That's right. He has a remedy for sin. 27:22 So I think probably the first step, 27:24 one of the first steps is to acknowledge 27:27 that this is a sin issue 27:28 and turn it over to God because He came, 27:31 gave His son to save us from our sins. 27:33 That's right. 27:35 But I think that you've seen prove here 27:37 today that these are three changed lives. 27:40 And so, once again, thank you for joining us on Pure Choices. 27:45 Thank you for tuning in today 27:48 and God bless you wherever you are. 27:52 Realize that God is there for you. |
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