Participants: Ron Woolsey (Host), Mike Carducci, Wayne Blakely
Series Code: PC
Program Code: PC000040
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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:03 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:05 may be too candid for younger children. 00:41 Welcome to Pure Choices. 00:43 I'm Ron Woolsey with Coming Out Ministries 00:46 and with me today 00:47 are my colleagues from Coming Out Ministries, 00:50 Mike Carducci and Wayne Blakely. 00:53 We're going to talk about a subject 00:55 that has a catchy title I believe, 00:58 "Can Born a Gay be Born Again?" 01:03 The debate continues on this subject 01:05 as to whether one can be born gay 01:08 but-- well let's just talk about that for a second 01:11 because there are so many different 01:14 differences of opinion on this issue 01:17 and we'll talk about this and then we'll talk about 01:19 later on whether it really matters or not. 01:22 Mike, what are your thoughts on that 01:24 or what have you heard about this? 01:27 Wow, deep question. 01:28 So for me early on, I thought I was born gay. 01:32 From my earliest recollection 01:34 even at six-years-old before I was sexualized, 01:37 I knew that I was different than the other boys. 01:38 I knew that, that something had happen 01:41 and so as I grew up the world was screaming that 01:44 I was born gay and I just readily accepted it 01:47 because I wasn't hearing anyone else say otherwise. 01:50 So I believe that I was born gay. 01:53 I also now after I came out of the gay lifestyle 01:56 as I began the journey with Jesus Christ, 01:58 He showed me also through the word 02:00 that sin was generational. 02:02 And so if homosexuality is an abomination 02:05 and it's a sin, adultery, 02:07 then I had to, I had to recognize it 02:09 that also came from, from generations before me. 02:12 You know, there's sexual sin on both sides 02:14 of my parents' families for generations. 02:17 I had a great grandmother 02:19 that was a prostitute during the depression 02:21 and so that helped me to recognize that 02:24 sin was not only generational 02:26 and so I believe that, 02:28 that there was an aspect that I was born gay. 02:30 And so, that helped me in that quest 02:33 to find out why this happened? 02:35 How this was created or allowed to happen in me 02:39 because from my earliest recollection, 02:41 I loved God, I loved Jesus. 02:43 I wanted to make Him happy. 02:44 I wanted to make Him proud of who I was, 02:46 but I couldn't fight this onslaught of emotion 02:49 and unmet needs of my masculinity. 02:52 And so yeah, Ron, I believe that you can be born gay. 02:55 From your earliest memories, you believe you were born gay. 02:59 And I know throughout my childhood and teenage years 03:03 and well, for many, many years I felt that I was born gay. 03:08 Because the reason I felt that way was 03:10 because I couldn't explain it. 03:12 I didn't know why I had the feelings 03:15 and the confusion and the emotions that I had. 03:18 And so I just eventually just accepted, 03:21 maybe I was just born this way, I was born different. 03:24 So, Wayne, how do you see this question? 03:29 Is it true that some people are born gay 03:31 while other people are born straight? 03:34 Well, you know, I see gay as a pretty definitive word 03:38 and so, you know, when you first hear that 03:41 as a Christian or someone who is, 03:44 you know, not in agreement with homosexual behavior 03:48 like, no, no, that can't happen, 03:50 that can't be, you know. 03:51 And so, but let's go back what is gay? 03:53 We don't find it in the Word of God, 03:55 right, the gay, the word term gay is not there. 03:57 And so what actually is gay? 04:00 You know, it is having same-sex attraction. 04:03 So I'd go back again to my prenatal influence 04:08 and that my natural mother was adamant 04:11 that she was not having a boy. 04:13 She was definitely gonna have a girl 04:15 and if she did have a boy, she was gonna reject that boy. 04:18 And so my prenatal influence and my postnatal conditioning 04:23 pretty well says that I was born into an environment 04:27 that what I was going to respond to 04:30 was going to be the conditioning 04:33 of being drawn to the masculine figure 04:36 rather than the feminine figure. 04:38 And if we look at Satan's plan versus God's plan 04:43 and God's allowing 04:44 the stain of sin to be on all of us. 04:47 Yeah, you bet I think you can be born gay. 04:49 And the question I have in response is 04:52 so what, you know? 04:53 So if I can be born gay, so what? 04:56 We will cover that question a little bit later. 04:58 Oh, yeah. all right. 05:00 Because that is a very good question. 05:01 But I want to just build on this one a little bit more 05:05 because as you felt that you were born gay, 05:08 they were prenatal influences, 05:10 so that sounds environmental, right? 05:13 Doesn't it sound like 05:15 that maybe you were being conditioned 05:19 by environment, by circumstances, 05:21 by the feelings and thoughts and emotions 05:24 and words of your mother 05:25 because I know in third, the third trimester pregnancy 05:29 I have, I have heard that that the babies, 05:35 they respond to that communication, 05:37 they respond to the, to soothing music 05:41 and a loving warm environment 05:42 and parents talking to their children. 05:45 I've seen these beautiful pictures 05:47 of daddies talking to baby through mommy's tummy 05:51 and so that when baby is born, baby already recognizes. 05:55 And actually they have shown 05:56 that when the daddy speaks to a baby after it's born, 05:59 they have shown and seen recognition 06:02 that baby recognizes daddy's voice 06:05 as well as mommy's voice. 06:06 So is this what I'm hearing 06:08 that conditioning was taking place? 06:10 Well, trauma can even influence a baby in a third trimester. 06:14 Ministry of Healing supports that 06:16 in the chapter on mothers. 06:19 Yes. 06:20 And so in your case, Wayne, you were being conditioned. 06:24 Yeah, I believe they're strongly conditioned. 06:27 I think we have that to look at 06:28 and I think that we can also look in biblically 06:32 verses that will tell us that 06:33 and we have the sins 06:35 of our ancestors upon us as well. 06:39 So that can be a condition in as well. 06:42 I've heard some research in this area 06:46 about that third trimester. 06:47 I've only just play on this just a little bit more here. 06:50 It has to do with rejection and this is your story, 06:54 that, that babies can be born with the sense of rejection 06:58 because of the mother may be feeling rejected 07:02 or feeling fat and ugly while she is pregnant 07:04 or being put down by her husband 07:07 or being in depression, all kinds of factors 07:10 that babies can actually be born 07:11 with the sense of rejection 07:13 and can struggle with that 07:15 through many years of their lives 07:17 until they come to terms with that. 07:19 And some of these babies grow into children 07:22 that are seeking acceptance in many different ways. 07:25 So children with the same sense of rejection 07:28 can go in any number of ways seeking that acceptance. 07:33 And some go to the homosexual side, 07:36 some go to promiscuity, heterosexual, 07:40 then there's drugs, alcohol, all kinds of things. 07:44 So that, that third trimester especially is very important 07:49 and that conditioning does happen. 07:51 Now there's another statement that I've heard out there 07:56 which to me sounds like a myth but correct me if I'm wrong. 08:01 I'm hosting the program, 08:02 but that doesn't mean I have all the answers, 08:04 that's why I'm asking the questions. 08:06 If you get the questions wrong, answer wrong, 08:08 then I'll correct you. 08:10 No, I'm just kidding. 08:11 But, you know, once gay always gay, 08:13 have you ever heard that, Mike? 08:15 Yes, absolutely. 08:16 Once gay always gay. 08:18 You know, it sounds to me 08:19 like some other myths in doctrine 08:21 like once saved always saved 08:24 and in that-- for example in that belief, 08:29 it to me eliminates the power of choice, 08:33 "if once saved always saved" 08:35 then you lose your power of choice 08:37 when you're converted. 08:38 So do you lose your power of choice if you're gay? 08:43 Once gay always gay, 08:44 Mike, what do you think about that? 08:46 Ron, that's such a heavy for me because if that was true, 08:51 when I was converted and following Jesus, 08:53 I didn't want to be straight. 08:55 I wasn't even interested. 08:56 I was desperately looking to affirm the identity 08:59 that it cultivated 09:01 and then I felt that I was born into. 09:03 You know, the flesh wants to stay that way. 09:05 And so as I was looking for ways 09:07 to keep my boyfriend and to keep my identity, 09:10 what was amazing is that 09:12 I realized that God was calling it an abomination 09:16 and because I was finally experiencing His love for me, 09:20 then I got angry with God 09:21 and I shook my little fist at Him and said, 09:23 "How dare You say that I'm an abomination 09:26 if you made me gay." 09:27 Because I had bought into that, that lie that, 09:29 that I was born gay or maybe not lie 09:32 but to think that Jesus was impotent, 09:34 that He couldn't help me out of that. 09:36 So how dare a God create someone gay 09:39 and then turn around and call them an abomination. 09:41 And so that was when I started realizing that 09:44 if He called it an abomination 09:46 and if I couldn't get out of it, 09:48 then He wasn't a Savior at all, 09:49 and if it's either a Savior for everyone 09:52 or is a Savior for no one. 09:53 And I was at the bridge 09:55 of actually letting go of my salvation 09:57 or even my pursuit of God, 09:59 because that was so offensive to me 10:01 that after all the rejection 10:03 that I've gotten from men in my whole life 10:05 that now my Savior was saying that I was rejected 10:07 if He made me that way. 10:09 But God was so good 10:10 because He began to bathe over me 10:13 understanding that this may have been 10:16 what sin had caused in my life, 10:18 but it wasn't gonna leave me there 10:20 and that was powerful. 10:22 Well, you know this dilemma 10:23 that is created by that thinking 10:25 is one thing that left me 10:27 so bitter and angry against God. 10:29 Were you ever bitter and angry against God? 10:31 Oh, yeah. 10:33 Just a little. Not you, Wayne. 10:35 You know, when I was in the world, 10:36 I went into the world bitter and angry against God 10:39 for these reasons we're talking about here 10:41 because I had no answers. 10:42 Then I new I had a degree in theology 10:45 before I went into the gay world. 10:47 Shame on me, right. 10:49 You think I had all the answers. 10:50 No, I had a lot of Bible knowledge, 10:53 but I didn't have my answers. 10:55 And so to read, to have all this knowledge 11:00 about how God feels about homosexual behavior, 11:05 the condemnation for that behavior, 11:07 the destruction of the wicked 11:10 and then be trapped in this body, 11:12 in this mindset that, that's who I was. 11:17 I had that same dilemma, if God made me this way, 11:20 if I was born this way and there are no answers, 11:23 then it's God's fault. 11:25 That's right. 11:26 And if it's God's fault, shame on Him. 11:27 Can you see how Satan uses that 11:31 to turn victims into enemies of God. 11:35 And is there not a lot of hatred against God 11:38 within the gay community? 11:39 I think it's reasonable. 11:41 It's only fair. 11:42 If you, if you've been fed the lie and learn the lie, 11:46 you know, it makes sense then I believe that 11:47 even God recognizes 11:49 that, that some of that is reasonable. 11:51 He says "Come and let us reason together." 11:53 So when I started getting real with God 11:56 and I started getting angry, I believe God was saying, 11:59 "Yes, Mike, let some of that out 12:00 because as you open up and start being real with Me, 12:03 then I can start being real with you 12:05 and to show you that that isn't who I am. 12:08 You know, isn't it wonderful 12:09 that God's shoulders are so big? 12:11 He can take our anger. Yes. 12:13 Understanding that we don't understand. 12:16 Yes. 12:18 It's almost like 12:19 "Go ahead and lash out at Me, just talk to Me." 12:22 If you need to vent, vent to Me. 12:24 If you feel angry and bitter against Me, 12:26 let it out and get it out of your system 12:29 and then I will, then I'll get your attention 12:32 and I'll show you 12:33 that you don't need to be that way anymore. 12:36 And we can resolve this anger issue 12:38 that is going on here. 12:40 Well, even if a little child says they hate their parent, 12:42 it doesn't cause a parent not to love the child anymore. 12:45 They know that they're responding to, 12:47 you know, feelings or whatever. 12:49 And they know that this is a temporary thing, 12:50 but at least the child is being real. 12:53 Now here's another term that I've heard so much. 12:57 In fact, I used it. 12:58 These terms that I've heard so much about, 13:01 guess where I heard them? 13:04 From myself. 13:06 All those years in the world, I was saying these things, 13:09 homosexuality isn't acceptable, alternative lifestyle. 13:13 Wayne, did you ever say that? 13:15 Did you ever think that or you ever heard that? 13:19 Yes, and I came to a point I was-- 13:22 when I began to get settled in my gay identity 13:27 that I found that, that this was what was natural to me 13:31 and when I went 13:32 and lived in Key West, Florida for two years 13:35 and I came back, my nephews began to say to me, 13:40 "Wow, we have never heard you be so adamant 13:44 and so blatant about your identity 13:46 as you are today." 13:48 And I had gone and immersed myself 13:50 in a gay culture where I just lived and breathe 13:54 men day in and day out 13:56 and in an intemperate life, obviously you can tell, 14:01 you know, who was controlling that. 14:03 Isn't it kind of like drinking the Kool-Aid 14:05 or drinking the alcohol? 14:08 It's numbing the conscience and numbing the argument 14:12 and drowning oneself or covering oneself. 14:16 It's self justification. Right. 14:18 You know, the beauty, the beauty that I see in this 14:20 as we talk about this is that, you know, 14:23 we went in so many different directions 14:26 that were not directions that God intended us to go 14:29 but praise God, He knows the beginning from the end. 14:33 And so He saw the whole story. 14:35 He knew that we in our individual lives 14:40 would need to experience certain things, 14:42 He would need to allow us to go down certain roads 14:46 in order for us to totally get it. 14:49 And when we got it, we would come back 14:51 and we would be strong and powerful in Jesus Christ 14:54 because now we know, 14:56 we know the difference between darkness and light 14:59 and we know that Jesus remains the same 15:01 because He's the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. 15:04 Amen. Amen. 15:06 Okay, Mike, I have this question for you. 15:09 If-- If homosexuality is an acceptable-- 15:14 Well, I should say is based upon our discussion 15:18 and our study and our experience, 15:19 is homosexuality really 15:21 an acceptable alternative lifestyle 15:25 or is it a sin issue? 15:27 If it's an acceptable lifestyle choice 15:31 then it makes Jesus Christ impotent. 15:33 And that was the bottom-line for me. 15:35 Because if Jesus called it an abomination 15:38 and He couldn't reach it or restore it, 15:41 then that makes Him impotent. 15:42 And so whether we're in church culture 15:44 or secular society, 15:46 if we accept that to be a truth, 15:48 then Jesus Christ was no Savior, 15:50 He was nothing more than just a mortal man. 15:53 So if this is a sin issue, is that what you're saying? 15:55 Yes, absolutely. 15:56 If it is a sin issue, then is there a remedy? 15:58 Absolutely, yes. 16:01 You know, while we were yet sinners, 16:02 Christ died for us. 16:04 Right there let us know that, 16:05 you know, even before we were able to accept the gift 16:09 or even willing to accept the gift, 16:11 it was already provided. 16:12 The plan of salvation was put into place 16:15 even before we were born, 16:17 before the earth was formed, He knew us 16:19 and He knew the struggle that I was gonna have. 16:21 You know, I was so angry at Him as I started coming back 16:24 I said, you know, "Why Lord, 16:25 out of all the things in this world 16:27 that You would give me homosexuality 16:29 or allow this thing to come to me?" 16:31 And I was angry there for a long time 16:33 that I had to learn how to surrender my flesh, 16:35 not just every day, but each and every minute. 16:38 And then I started to recognize the beauty of God's grace 16:41 because I started to learn that I didn't have the luxury 16:45 of just surrendering myself over it at one time 16:48 during the day that I had to learn 16:50 the quality of breathing Jesus like air 16:53 and surrendering every five minutes. 16:54 And now I see the beauty that I've learned that 16:57 I have to hang on to Jesus Christ constantly. 17:01 I had to learn that, that thing in the Bible that says, 17:04 "Pray without ceasing." 17:06 Could it be and this is just coming to me 17:08 as we're talking and I'm listening to you here. 17:11 Could it be that God allowed us to go this route 17:16 because He knew what we could become? 17:19 In other words in Jeremiah we read, 17:21 "Before I formed you in the belly, I knew you." 17:25 That's an intimacy. 17:26 And I have often thought, 17:27 you know, I could have been a miscarriage. 17:29 God knew what I would become. 17:32 He knew how degraded I would be that I would go into the world 17:35 with a degree in theology 17:37 and bring such terrible reproach against His name. 17:40 Why did He allow me to even be born? 17:43 I could have been a miscarriage, 17:44 I could have been an abortion, but He said "I knew you." 17:48 What, I guess He knew what we could become 17:52 if we went through-- In other words, 17:54 it seems to me, this is something 17:56 that He allowed to flop down on our plate 17:59 because He knew that we could overcome 18:03 and what we could do with that challenge 18:06 and how it could be a blessing to others later. 18:09 You know, well, I have to believe that 18:11 that we were chosen 18:12 and I have said on the phone to Mike 18:15 before more than once, 18:18 "How many people do you know in our denomination, 18:22 our individual denomination 18:25 that are standing up with this message?" 18:28 This message that hasn't been talked about redemption 18:31 from homosexuality for 150 years of our-- 18:33 in our denomination. 18:35 And Mike's like, "I don't know any one." 18:38 And I said, couldn't just that tell you 18:41 what Jesus Christ has seen in us 18:43 that He knew that He would have a voice through us 18:46 that we are chosen, 18:48 that He has put a special blessing on us 18:51 to be able to go forth and share 18:54 what the transformation is, 18:56 what is possible through Jesus Christ 18:58 because He knew 18:59 that through what we were allowed to go through 19:01 that we would come through the end 19:03 and that we would believe in Him 19:04 and that we would trust in Him 19:06 and we would not-- 19:07 we don't flinch in the side of society today. 19:10 We fear not because God is with us. 19:13 You know, Jesus is the one that's on trial here, not us 19:17 because Jesus is the one that the whole world, 19:20 the whole universe is looking at 19:21 to see if He is just 19:23 and if He is the Savior that He says He is. 19:25 And so He wants to reproduce in His people, 19:28 His same character 19:30 and what testifies more of God's goodness 19:33 than to be able to take three loser people 19:36 who were absolutely trapped in homosexuality 19:39 and pull them out of the gutter, 19:40 restore in them His beautiful character 19:43 and then set apart through the time of trouble, 19:45 through the time that He comes to take us home 19:47 and say, "This is the power of Jesus Christ." 19:50 This is His redemption. 19:53 Three losers, that's you and Wayne and who else? 19:56 Are you-- 19:58 Well, Ron, there's more than three, 19:59 there's hundreds, there's thousands out there 20:01 that don't testify, but they've experienced 20:03 the same renewing from Jesus Christ. 20:05 All right, this leads me to a question. 20:07 If homosexuality is condemned in the Bible 20:13 as abomination or a sin issue then, Wayne, 20:16 because I know you're dying to answer this question. 20:19 Does it really matter how we ended up 20:22 that way in the first place? 20:24 What is it that really matters 20:26 how we got there or how we get out of it? 20:29 Well, you know, what really truly matters 20:32 is our decision, our daily and moment, 20:34 moment by decision with Jesus Christ. 20:37 And, you know, He convicted my heart. 20:39 Once that conviction took place, 20:42 I know that I belong to Him. 20:44 And so, you know, as soon as that conviction took place, 20:47 I began to see that there were truths 20:51 that hadn't been uncovered. 20:55 I developed a passion to want to go out 20:58 and say to our church leaders, our pastors, 21:01 "I know what it is now." 21:03 I know what it is. 21:04 I know the answer to being able to come out of that gay life 21:10 and return to a life in Jesus Christ." 21:12 And all along, 21:14 I thought it had been this deep dark secret 21:16 and what it was, 21:18 was developing this intimacy with Jesus Christ 21:23 and little did I know that 21:24 God was gonna turn around and take that 21:27 and put us in positions that we could speak to churches 21:31 and congregations and leadership today 21:33 and have them come to us afterwards and say, 21:35 you know what, that wasn't really about homosexuality. 21:38 That really is about any kind of sin temptation. 21:42 That is really about involving people 21:44 in getting to know Jesus Christ in their own personal relation. 21:47 Not so much the relationship always that's going this way, 21:51 but definitely the relationship is, 21:54 that is going this way because in the end, 21:57 it is us before God and our Maker 21:59 and where He is saying, 22:00 you know, what was your decision? 22:03 See, we are all a part of that theater of grace, aren't we? 22:06 We are being used in a way 22:09 along with any other sinner out there 22:11 that is being drawn to Christ in living a new life in Christ. 22:16 We too are being used to demonstrate the power of God 22:21 to save His people from their sins. 22:24 It is a way of helping to vindicate God's character 22:28 because He's accused before the universe 22:30 of being that impotent God 22:32 that can maybe save this person and that person 22:34 but certainly not Mike or Wayne or Ron. 22:39 So we are part of that theater of grace. 22:42 Ron, will you tell the story of the guy that's, 22:45 you know, in the river drowning. 22:47 I was just going to go there. Oh, that's my favorite. 22:48 Because, you know, 22:50 if a person is drowning in the sea, 22:54 doesn't really matter why. 22:56 You know, the lifeguard comes out in the boat 22:58 and he comes up to the person glub glubbing in the sea 23:00 and says "How did you get out here? 23:03 Did you fall in? 23:04 Did you get caught in a riptide?" 23:06 Were you pushed? "Did you fall off a boat? 23:08 Did you get pushed in? 23:09 I did that to my brother once. 23:12 You know, what-- how did you get here?" 23:15 And we laugh at that of course, not. 23:18 What does the lifeguard do? 23:20 He extends the saving hand. 23:22 Isn't Jesus like that? 23:23 Amen. Amen. 23:25 And so to those who feel that they are born gay 23:30 doesn't Jesus just say, "Well, I have an answer." 23:32 If you're going to blame your heredity 23:35 on the choices that you are making 23:37 to stay in this condition, 23:40 I have a solution. 23:42 Be what? 23:44 If you think-- Be born again. 23:45 There you go. Yes. Yes. 23:46 Then be born again. Amen. 23:48 And if you're born again, 23:49 now you have God for your father, 23:51 your partaker of divine nature. 23:55 And now who are you going to blame? 23:57 Yeah. 23:58 And I think that's a beautiful thing 24:00 that He-- Jesus just has an answer for every objection. 24:03 I've found as I listen to certain objections 24:08 to the salvation for the homosexual. 24:11 I have found answers from God himself 24:14 for every single argument out there. 24:19 There comes up a question, 24:20 I read an article once that was based upon a question 24:24 that is homosexuality asexual orientation 24:29 or is it a sexual preference? 24:34 Wayne, are you a taker on that one? 24:35 I would love to address that. 24:37 You know, I would like to say that, 24:40 you know, God gave sex 24:42 as a gift of intimacy between Adam and Eve 24:45 that was never meant to be an identity or an orientation. 24:49 Orientation came about by the counterfeit. 24:52 You know, by the enemy taking this thing 24:55 and saying that sex is our identity. 24:58 I mean, even at one point it was looked at 25:00 as homosexuality as being a mental illness. 25:03 And then the psychology, 25:06 not the Bible turned around and said "Oh, no, no. 25:08 It's not a disturbance. 25:10 It's not an illness, 25:12 but it's actually an orientation. 25:14 That came about in our culture. 25:16 That's in the Bible 25:17 you look and you read throughout the Bible, 25:20 there are two orientations, 25:21 either you're oriented to Jesus and the cross 25:24 or you're oriented to the world. 25:27 Very good. 25:28 Mike? 25:30 You know, I didn't even understand the nuances of that 25:35 but I knew that if Jesus said that, 25:37 that I wasn't allowed to have it. 25:40 For me, it had to be very simple. 25:42 He either had the answer or He didn't. 25:44 And as I followed him, 25:46 I didn't have to choose to be straight. 25:48 I just chose Jesus Christ 25:49 and He was the one that brought those feelings in 25:52 and took out the old feelings that weren't acceptable. 25:55 So I think we can summarize here that, 25:58 you know, we've talked about being, 26:00 excuse me, being born gay, being born straight, 26:04 and the acceptable alternative lifestyle 26:10 and that it really doesn't matter. 26:12 Because, you know, as I searched through the Bible 26:14 I don't really find Jesus interrogating people 26:18 as to why they are whatever sinner they are. 26:21 He knows. 26:23 Just to Mary, "I don't condemn you 26:25 and I'm not going to ask you why you're doing this." 26:28 Sin is a mystery, isn't it? 26:30 I mean, can it be explained? 26:32 Can it really be excused? 26:33 No. 26:35 He offers the solution. 26:37 And so I just love that thought 26:39 when we think we are born gay or born this way 26:43 that Jesus simply says "Well, let's just-- 26:46 why don't you just be born again? 26:47 Let's start over. 26:49 Start over with a clean slate." 26:51 Wash away the past. 26:52 That's right. Yeah. 26:54 And then to answer that question, 26:55 is homosexuality a sexual preference 26:59 or sexual orientation? 27:01 The very word orientation in the dictionary indicates 27:04 there's choice involved and if there's choice involved, 27:09 there's also the word in the dictionary 27:11 for reorientation 27:12 which is certainly about choice and being redirected. 27:17 And so we come to the question if we look at it carefully, 27:20 "Is it a sexual orientation or a sexual preference?" 27:25 I would say in light of the gospel, 27:26 if you know there's a way out that God says be born again, 27:31 then it becomes a choice, doesn't it, 27:33 where you may have thought it was your orientation 27:35 and you're locked in all of your life. 27:38 In the end it does come down to a choice, a preference. 27:42 In the light of the gospel, 27:44 homosexuality would be a sexual preference. 27:48 We thank you for tuning into Pure Choices today 27:52 and hope that you will continue making those pure choices 27:55 in your daily walk. |
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