Participants: Pr. Joshua Nelson (Host), Vaughn Edmeade, Brittany Hill, Kim Pearson
Series Code: PC
Program Code: PC000067
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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:03 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:05 may be too candid for younger children. 00:40 Hello, and welcome to "Pure Choices." 00:42 I'm your host, Pastor Joshua Nelson. 00:44 And again, I'm so happy you decided to join us today 00:46 because we have a very good topic today. 00:49 I guess an exciting topic 00:51 because the title is, Twerk it Out. 00:53 We're talking about dancing. 00:54 Is dancing wrong? Okay. 00:56 So this is obviously a big and hot topic 00:58 in a lot of Christian circles, especially, Adventist circles. 01:01 I know that it's been frowned upon in my family. 01:05 But we want to talk about, 01:06 is it okay for us to do as Christians. 01:09 Before we get into this topic, 01:10 like always let's stop for a word of prayer. 01:13 Heavenly Father, as we discuss this topic, 01:16 we ask that You would please, please lead us and guide us 01:18 in Your Spirit now. 01:20 In Jesus' name we pray. 01:21 Amen. Amen. 01:23 All right. 01:24 Well, I'm gonna start by introducing the panel. 01:26 On the couch here to my right, I have Kim Pearson, 01:30 who is the associate chaplain at Oakwood University. 01:34 Next to her we have Brittany Hill, 01:36 who is recent graduate 01:37 at Andrews University theological seminary. 01:40 Happy that they both here. 01:41 And next to them we have another man in the group now. 01:45 We have Vaughn Edmeade. 01:47 And we are happy that he is here. 01:49 He is student at Oakwood doing his master's I believe. 01:52 That's right? Okay. 01:53 So we have a good panel. 01:54 And I, of course, 01:56 I'm Pastor Nelson from South Carolina. 01:58 We got two churches down there. 01:59 And so we're happy to be discussing this today. 02:02 This is a hot one, dancing. 02:04 And we've had, 02:05 I know that in many circles when I'm growing up, 02:07 we discuss this so many times about dancing. 02:09 So let's discuss it again today. 02:12 What do you guys think? 02:13 Is there anything wrong with, with dancing? 02:18 No body wants to incriminate themselves. 02:21 Well, I guess I'll start. 02:23 Okay. 02:24 I don't believe that there is anything wrong with dancing. 02:27 I believe that what, 02:30 it depends on what your context of dancing is, 02:33 it depends on what your, 02:35 I don't even want to necessarily say 02:36 style of dancing is, right. 02:37 Because your style of dancing 02:39 depending on what kind of context you are in, 02:41 you know, it may be appropriate so. 02:43 And the Bible definitely talks about dancing 02:45 and it speaks about in the affirmative 02:47 in many places. 02:48 So that's why I would say, I wouldn't be so quick to say 02:51 that there is anything wrong with dancing. 02:52 But we may need to discuss some circumstances 02:55 under which it might be wrong. 02:57 Okay. All right. 02:58 So we have that clear opinion there. 03:00 Kim, what do you think? 03:02 I actually happen to agree. 03:05 I don't think there is anything wrong 03:07 with dancing in context. 03:10 I can even imagine that, I don't know about you, 03:13 when I make it to heaven, 03:14 I'm not gonna be pacing around the streets of gold, 03:17 like I'm going to be worshipping like it's gonna be a party. 03:21 And I think that in the right context 03:23 I think there's nothing wrong with it 03:26 but I think the society, as often it does 03:30 can taint something that can be a good thing. 03:33 Okay, All right. Brittany. 03:35 I'm also in agreeance 03:37 because I also believe... Oh, man. 03:39 There is nothing wrong with dancing 03:41 as long as it's in its right context. 03:44 If you're going to a club, then maybe dancing 03:46 is not the right thing for you to be doing. 03:49 If you are just doing crazy moves 03:52 that are just impossible for your body then, yes. 03:57 Impossible for your body, mercy. 04:00 Yes, dancing is wrong 04:01 but if you are simply doing a two step 04:03 'cause you are praising God 04:05 or if your husband or your wife and you both of you 04:08 are just doing something in the privacy of your room, 04:09 I don't think anything is wrong 04:11 if you guys want to spice it up by dancing. 04:13 Yeah, okay, okay. 04:14 So it's pretty clear that our panel believes 04:17 that dancing, you know is not wrong. 04:21 Now they try to preface it up by saying context. 04:23 So could I go to a club and dance? 04:28 Is that okay? 04:29 Should I go to a party and dance, 04:31 I mean, is that okay? 04:34 Teach me please, tell me? 04:36 Technically you do whatever you want to do. 04:40 You go out. You could do whatever you want to do. 04:42 But I think ultimately as, as Christians, 04:46 when we subscribe to Christianity, 04:48 we subscribe to God being and His principles being, 04:52 His check point for our ethics and for our behavior. 04:55 And so the check point there would be, 04:58 "All right, Josh, you want to go to the club, 05:00 you want to dance?" 05:02 One, what's your purpose? 05:03 Right, have fun. 05:05 Okay, so you just want to go and have fun. 05:06 Have fun, yeah. 05:09 Is dancing going to glorify God? 05:13 Well, that's the thing. 05:14 You know, I think that's what 05:15 we may want to go with this thing. 05:17 And I'm just kind of answering your question 05:18 as if you're talking straight to me 05:19 because I mean, if I'm going to a club 05:22 and I know `that the music there 05:23 is not going to be glorifying God, 05:25 then maybe that's where you draw a line. 05:27 I mean, is the club itself the bad thing, 05:30 is the dancing itself the bad thing 05:31 or is it the environment really, that's the bad thing. 05:34 So I guess I had to question that 05:35 if I was gonna go to my club. 05:37 Thank you, Kim. 05:39 It's hypothetical, his asking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 05:41 But I think that's one of the key points though, is that 05:46 already we've had to address something 05:49 before we even get to the dancing part. 05:51 Do you see what I'm saying? 05:52 Because the environment is what's dictating 05:54 what's going on inside of that club 05:56 and so really your reason for dancing 06:00 in that context has already been determined for 06:03 by your reason for going to that club 06:06 in the first place. 06:07 You see what I'm saying. 06:08 So that's why it's hard to say, because there's some, 06:12 let's say, somebody mentioned that there me be certain moves 06:16 that you do that 06:17 are those particular moves appropriate. 06:20 I mean, certain styles of dancing 06:23 have similar moves, right. 06:25 But the reason why we're doing them 06:27 may be different. 06:28 You know, so that's why I would say, 06:30 it's hard for me to even limit it to a move, 06:32 you see what I'm saying. 06:33 But why am I doing this particular move, why? 06:36 And dancing of course, come from a reaction to, 06:40 I guess, I would say, our natural reaction to music. 06:43 Because not like I mean, unless, maybe some people 06:45 would just dance just 'cause they want to dance 06:47 but a lot of times it's because of the music 06:51 or of a beat or where you're at, 06:53 you're celebrating so 06:55 should that be where we started 06:56 addressing that 06:58 because I mean, somebody would even say 07:00 you shouldn't allow the music to move you, 07:01 you know, you should just kind of 07:03 you know, sty still and that shouldn't be, 07:06 you know, your reaction to music. 07:08 I mean, what do you think? 07:09 I don't know. 07:10 When I look at examples in the Bible that say, 07:12 "Let every thing that hath breath 07:14 praise the Lord." 07:15 I'm breathing so my praise MAY look different in, 07:18 talks about the Holy Spirit, 07:19 "what was like was like fire shut up in my bones." 07:21 I don't know about you but if you ever been on fire, 07:23 well, I've never been on fire. 07:25 But I can imagine if something shut up in me 07:28 and it's trying to get out and that presence in me 07:30 does not bring to my mind something calm 07:34 and well put together 07:36 and while there is time for that 07:38 I'd like I said, I do believe 07:39 that there is a time for everything 07:41 under the sun, 07:42 which includes praising God and responding to music. 07:46 My life, the way I live, the way I interact with people 07:49 and including the way I move my body 07:52 is a reaction to what God has done for me. 07:55 Okay. So, let's just imagine that we have to conclude it 07:58 that dancing is okay, okay, I mean, let's just say 08:00 that's just the overall statement 08:02 people now agree, 08:03 maybe they don't but let's just imagine, okay. 08:05 Dancing is okay and we're, 08:06 it sounds like we're saying that 08:07 it should be in a confines of you know, 08:09 relation with God, praising God, dancing for Him. 08:11 Okay. 08:13 Are there some movements now in dancing 08:15 that would be considered wrong 'cause I'll be honest with you, 08:17 I've been to some churches now and people were dancing. 08:20 The music was going. 08:21 And I had to kind of doing, 08:23 you know, sister salsa was really, 08:25 you know, really dancing hard. 08:27 I mean, I'm not sure if that was appropriate for church. 08:29 I mean, where do you, I mean, if you're really caught up in, 08:32 you know, this, I'm doing this for God, 08:34 you know, how do you really curtail your dancing? 08:36 Where do you draw the line? 08:39 That goes back to not wanting 08:41 to cause your brother or your sister to fall, 08:44 I would say, right. 08:45 So it's not that you dance unintelligibly, right. 08:50 We have a mind so we're able to make decisions, 08:52 we're able to understand 08:54 you know, who is watching me when I dance 08:56 and let's not say that you should make your dancing 08:57 about who is watching you other than it being for God 09:00 and there maybe times like somebody said, 09:02 when you are in the privacy of your own home, 09:04 if you are person who is married, 09:05 it's just you, your husband or your wife and God, 09:08 and by all means, do what you're gonna do, right. 09:13 Right. Yeah, yeah. 09:14 However, God has given us a mind for a reason, 09:18 so we know that we're in church, 09:19 we know that's, all right, 09:22 so women have different parts than guys do. 09:23 Yeah, yeah. 09:24 And when you dance, certain parts might move. 09:26 And so in church, certain party may begin moving 09:30 or women will wear skirts, guys don't wear skirts. 09:33 So certain parts may show 09:34 if you decide to go crazy, right. 09:37 So you have to understand the environment once again 09:40 that you are in, 09:42 understand that there are other people 09:43 who will be affected by that and you don't want to, 09:46 how can you want to praise God 09:47 but yet be having a negative affect 09:49 or negative influence 09:50 on the person that is around you 09:52 causing them to fall, right. 09:54 Yeah, good point. Good point. 09:55 I'm an island girl. 09:57 So coming from the islands 09:58 we have certain dance moves that just happen. 10:02 And there are all sorts of crazy, just craziness. 10:07 But no one has to tell me when I go to church 10:11 don't do the dutty wine. 10:13 No one has to tell me not to wine, 10:17 I have to use these terms. 10:18 Wine off against one of my other brothers, 10:21 because it's just inappropriate. 10:22 It's not praising God and we know it. 10:25 So, there are certain dance moves 10:27 where you just know it's not for praising God. 10:30 It's for bringing satisfaction to yourself, 10:32 pleasure to yourself. 10:34 It's creating emotions in all parts of your body 10:37 that should probably be saved for your spouse 10:41 and not for in a public setting of worship. 10:43 It's not worship. Right. 10:45 So, I think that's where it goes. 10:46 I think that's where, you know, knowledge comes, 10:47 and I think that's where you kind of 10:49 have to draw the line 10:50 because a lot of the dance moves 10:52 and the type of dances are geared to 10:55 basically, you know, to be sexual moves, 10:58 you know, and sexual actions. 10:59 So you can stimulate those things, 11:01 you get excited and aroused in pleasure. 11:02 So, yeah. 11:04 Well, I was just going to agree on what you said 11:09 but also the idea that a lot of these moves 11:11 are meant for self glorification. 11:14 So the reason why you're twerking 11:16 or gyrating or dutty wine or whatever is, 11:19 it makes you look more attractive. 11:21 It makes you look good. That's what you're thinking. 11:23 Yeah, it makes people want you and it's all centered in, 11:27 I want to be desired, I want to be important, 11:29 I want to be looked at, me, me, me, me, me. 11:33 And when we separate that and start to say, 11:36 is this glorifying me, is this putting me first, 11:39 is this taking the attention off of Jesus 11:41 and putting the attention on me, 11:42 then the line starts to get a whole lot of less grey 11:45 and a whole lot more black and white. 11:47 Yeah. Yeah. And you'll see people now 11:48 putting out the videos of them dancing, 11:50 you know, especially with the whole twerking thing, 11:52 right, you know. 11:53 Because of the kids dancing. And kids, yeah. 11:55 And I think they got the little dolls 11:56 that are twerking. 11:58 Twerking dolls. Okay. 12:00 I mean, so it just can really go too far 12:04 with some of that stuff so, yeah. 12:07 I definitely feel that we have to create 12:10 or have a standard as Christians, you know, 12:15 I still don't know if we really said, 12:16 you know, I guess, well, I guess you call 12:18 they kind of say you shouldn't dance 12:19 unless it's for God. 12:20 I don't know if we really, you know, gonna that, 12:22 probably we gonna go that far, what do you all think, 12:24 I mean, should you draw the line and say that 12:26 or is there a time to dance when it's not, 12:28 when you are not in church. 12:29 That's what I really want to know. 12:31 Well, I think that 12:34 there are number of things that God created 12:37 I don't think that 12:38 they were necessarily created just to say 12:41 this happens when we are specifically having like 12:44 let's say a worship service, right. 12:46 He created-- Those, for those two hours. 12:47 I think what God does is He created us to be beings 12:51 who, our total lives reflect worship to Him. 12:55 And so, you can, if your life reflects worship to Him, 12:57 you can dance for fun, right. 13:00 And you know to dance appropriately 13:01 is just something that you're doing for fun. 13:04 You know, there are other things 13:05 that we just do for fun. 13:07 It's not necessarily to say that, 13:08 oh, we are trying 13:09 to actively intentionally give God worship and praise 13:12 at this very moment when we are doing this thing. 13:15 Okay. You see what I'm saying. 13:16 So you have people who dance, who do, maybe tap dancing 13:19 or you got people who do dance in the ballet, 13:24 you know, these different sorts of dancing 13:26 and you have people who are professors of dance. 13:29 Different sorts of dancing where I don't think 13:30 it's necessarily something where it's being said, 13:32 oh, when you are doing this, 13:34 you are worshipping something else intentionally 13:37 like you're just dancing. 13:38 That is what you, is, I'm a musician 13:40 so there are sometimes where I make music 13:41 and it's just, oh, well, I make music, 13:43 like anybody who knows 13:45 like certain books that you learn, 13:46 like you learn these little songs that is like, 13:48 oh, let's take a song, for instance, Happy Birthday. 13:51 We are not making the song Happy Birthday 13:53 in order to say, you know, 13:55 we're thankful that somebody had a birthday 13:56 but it's not like we're saying, 13:58 oh, we're praising and worshipping right now 13:59 during the song Happy Birthday. 14:00 But none of us would go ahead and say, 14:02 that there's something wrong with the song 14:03 and I think the same thing with dance. 14:04 You might have some dances which it's not-- 14:06 Apparently evil. 14:08 Yeah, it's not good or evil. 14:09 It's just is, I'm a Christian who is dancing, 14:13 you know what I'm saying. 14:14 Okay, okay. 14:15 Some people would definitely challenge that, 14:17 but I do like how you put that, yeah. 14:18 And I was gonna say, you know, Oakwood were planning on 14:22 taking a group of students to Kenya 14:23 on a mission trip this summer 14:25 and as we're educating them on the culture, 14:28 the Maasai people danced 14:30 and they dance as they tell stories 14:32 and that's very much a part of African culture 14:35 is dancing and moving as part of telling a story, 14:39 keeping traditions going and things like that. 14:42 And I would never go over to Kenya 14:44 and say you're sinning. 14:46 Right, right. 14:47 I think that we have` to understand context, 14:50 I think it takes a level of maturity to approach it. 14:55 Blanket statements sometimes can, sometimes 14:57 can just hinder us from being free. 15:02 And I think we were created to be free, 15:04 we were created to be free 15:05 and I think there's a time to celebrate 15:07 and I think there's a time to be still 15:08 and there's a time to worship 15:10 and the time to clap and not clap 15:12 and all those good things. 15:13 Yeah, okay. Right. 15:15 You know, sometimes, you know, what I've experienced 15:20 in the dancing conversation is that you know, 15:22 I'll be saying, well, you know, I'm gonna go salsa dancing, 15:26 I'm gonna hear, you know, 15:28 watch an African dancer do some, you know, 15:29 practice an African dance or do the tap dancing, 15:31 you were talking about earlier, some of the line dance, 15:33 you know, whatever it is, oh, that's fine, that's fine. 15:35 It's great, okay, little cultural, okay. 15:38 But then as soon as I say, you know, 15:39 we're gonna go and do some hip-hop dancing. 15:43 And there is a problem, 15:45 well, no, no, no, you can't do that. 15:46 So why do you, why is it or is there something wrong 15:48 with the hip-hop culture 15:50 in the way that we see that culture dancing 15:55 is something inherently wrong with that? 15:56 And why has society maybe or why has our church maybe, 15:59 made it seem as though, that's wrong, 16:02 you know, if you think that, 16:03 I guess you'd agree with what I'm saying 16:05 in that respect. 16:06 So what do think? What do you think? 16:08 I would assume that it deals with the fact 16:10 that hip-hop culture stems partially from Africa 16:15 and Africans, they worship their culture. 16:19 It's deeply enrooted in what assume to be paganism 16:22 and because of this 16:24 when someone sees the hip-hop culture, 16:27 they automatically assume this must have 16:28 some sort of reference to paganism. 16:30 It can't refer to any, 16:32 it can't reference to anything else. 16:33 So it must be this. 16:35 So I would assume that's probably the case. 16:37 Okay. 16:39 That's interesting you say that. 16:40 You know a lot of assumptions are made especially when they, 16:42 the culture and where the roots are in Africa and stuff 16:45 and you know, there is a lot of 16:46 other dances and other cultures that also have, 16:50 you know, roots in paganisms and stuff like that. 16:52 So, you got to be very careful with our assumptions, 16:54 especially in terms of styles of dance, you know. 16:59 Someone, Vaughn, what were you saying? 17:00 Go ahead. 17:01 Well, one thing, it's hard to talk about styles of dance 17:04 because if we are really, if we really admit, 17:07 we don't necessarily know exactly 17:09 what dancing looked like in Bible times. 17:12 You know, we can pass assumptions, 17:16 you know, maybe some of our culture today 17:18 might put some you know, 17:20 might give us some predispositions about it, 17:22 but we don't know exactly what it looked like 17:24 but you know, to give it, to talk about within context 17:26 because you know, sometimes we may argue, 17:27 especially, as young people we may argue and say, 17:29 well, we should be able to dance 17:31 and do this, you know 17:32 because David danced and you know, 17:34 David danced so much that, you know, 17:36 part of his garments fell off, blah, blah, blah, right. 17:38 But, you know, one thing that I think is important 17:40 for us as young people even understand is that 17:43 oh, and older folks also is that 17:45 David did dance and the context of that is that 17:47 David, if I recall correctly 17:48 'cause I don't have the Bible right in front of me 17:50 but if I recall correctly, he was dancing 17:52 because they had just gotten back the Ark, right. 17:54 And he is in front of the Ark and see 'cause sometimes 17:58 people may say well, 18:00 don't dance in church, you know, 18:01 and I don't, I'm not trying to be controversial 18:02 or anything about doing dance at church 18:04 but if the Ark represented, 18:05 you know, the holy of the holies, 18:07 and David is in front of this thing 18:09 and he is naturally excited because they have the Ark back 18:13 and he danced so hard that his garment fell off 18:16 and somebody, I believe it was one of his wives 18:19 came in and in essence judged him, you know, 18:21 saying, reprimand him, "Why are you acting like that? 18:23 Why are you dancing like that?" 18:25 And God rebuked her, you know, 18:27 for because she was trying to rebuke him. 18:29 But his praise at that point in time was authentic. 18:32 He was naturally excited about, 18:35 you know, that what represented 18:37 God's presence being with Israel was returned. 18:40 I even remember, you know, 18:42 I remember, when I watch sports, right, 18:44 and I'm naturally excited, there was one time 18:45 I was naturally excited and I jumped up 18:47 and I knocked my aunt right in her mouth and hurt, 18:50 you know, my aunt, right. 18:53 So, I believe God wants us to be naturally excited. 18:56 I don't think that He wants us to not dance 18:58 and I think He wants us to dance 19:00 and be even passionate and excited about our dance 19:02 but I think that He wants us first of all, 19:04 to understand our circumstances, right. 19:06 So, David didn't even notice that somebody is watching him 19:08 and I'm sure if he knew that somebody is watching him, 19:10 he wouldn't have danced at a point 19:11 where some of his cloths were falling off, right. 19:13 But I think that it's important for us 19:16 to be mindful of our surroundings 19:19 but God is looking for us to have a natural excitement 19:22 and affection towards Him and the things of Him. 19:26 Right, right. 19:27 And that's an interesting point you know, 19:28 that He gave us this desire to dance, 19:31 to move in excitement, you know, 19:32 to move our limbs 19:34 and be excited about things, you know, 19:36 and to move with the rhythm of the music that He has given. 19:39 And that then lead us back 19:41 to what is moving or driving our dancing, you know. 19:46 Is it the music that glorifies the devil 19:49 or things of the world that is moving our body, 19:53 you know, in essence, could be leading us 19:56 to move our lives and our decisions, 19:59 you know, and our choices 20:00 and the music that we are listening to? 20:01 So, are we being moved and changed 20:03 by the godly music, by the things of God 20:06 or we've been moved by the world? 20:07 So I think that's a good principle 20:09 that we can use when consideration dancing. 20:11 Is there any principles that we can maybe add to that? 20:13 Well, I was gonna say, you know, 20:15 a lot of times we want to justify our behavior. 20:20 I mean, let's just be clear, twerking is wrong. 20:23 I mean, you can dress it up, you can dance, 20:26 you can add on to it, whatever you want to say, 20:29 but at the end of the day 20:31 you know that twerking is wrong. 20:32 When you're tewrking, and when you're dancing, 20:35 most of the time the camera is not on your face, 20:38 it's on the rest of your body. 20:40 And so it's a lot of that self glorification 20:44 so I think the other principle to put in there is 20:47 am I glorifying self, am I putting self first, 20:49 am I putting God first. 20:50 I went to a ballet 20:52 and I was so inspired by the way 20:55 that they were moving their body 20:57 like I was like, wow, how did the human body do that. 21:00 And for me, I was so impressed, I was like man, 21:03 God, we are truly, fearfully and wonderfully made. 21:07 But sometimes we want to, 21:09 we take that out of the wrong way. 21:12 When you are fearfully and wonderfully made, 21:14 doesn't mean, doesn't mean 21:16 display that for everybody else, 21:18 you know, for everybody else to see. 21:20 So, at the end of the day what does the Bible say? 21:23 Yeah, yeah. 21:24 If Jesus was standing right there, 21:26 how would He feel about it? 21:27 Right, right. 21:28 Ok, Brittany, do you want to add anything to that? 21:30 Okay. It's all right. All right. 21:33 So another thing we have to discuss 21:35 and talk about is the baseline of music. 21:38 I think a lot of people feel that 21:40 the reason why you're dancing these crazy ways 21:42 is because of the beat, you know, 21:44 the beat that's in there is kind of 21:46 moving to do some unholy things, you know, 21:48 so you think there's something in that, 21:50 you know, to say that there are just some syncopations 21:52 and some type of music that it's just wrong, 21:54 that shouldn't because it's gonna make you 21:56 react in a devilish way, 21:57 we can say like that, what do you think? 22:02 I would have to say, no. 22:04 And the reason why I wouldn't say that 22:07 the baseline has anything to do with this 22:09 because I mean, a lot of baselines 22:12 in many songs are the same, 22:13 especially when you talk about Western culture, 22:15 a lot of the baselines are the same. 22:16 That's exactly why musicians can play a song 22:19 and if they hear it they'll know, you know, 22:20 how the song is transitioning 22:22 because there's just a certain way 22:23 that Western culture's music moves, right. 22:27 And all of those songs have base in it. 22:28 But even if you go to songs that we traditionally 22:32 or music that we traditionally accept 22:34 such as let's say classical, for instance, right. 22:36 Those, if you go to a symphony, they have bases, 22:39 big standing bases 22:40 and sometimes when I'm listening to a classical piece, 22:43 I'm moving with the music also, you know. 22:45 And when you look often at moves, 22:47 let's say such as twerking, 22:49 which we kind of know just by looking at it 22:53 that there's something just not right with that, right. 22:56 When we look at that, that something that 22:59 a lot of dance moves that people do today, 23:01 which we may consider inappropriate 23:03 are things that they go home and actually practice. 23:05 It actually doesn't necessarily, 23:06 like I don't know anybody who began twerking 23:10 simply because they heard a baseline. 23:12 Okay. Do you see what I'm saying? 23:13 But because they were trying to find out, 23:15 well, what can I do to bring more attention to myself 23:19 and separate my dancing from all the other dancing 23:21 that's out there 23:23 then, I have to go home and sit and find a way, 23:24 what can I do to make things more, spice things up, 23:27 make things more interesting and bring it back, you know. 23:29 So it goes back to the, I mean, a base, 23:34 God created the lower ending sound, 23:37 you see what I'm saying. 23:38 Like it's not, it's, we didn't create it, right. 23:41 Satan didn't even create it. 23:43 God created that. 23:44 But He created it for His glory, 23:47 you see what I'm saying. 23:48 So-- Okay. 23:49 And I mean, also we're looking at too 23:51 with the whole baseline thing 23:52 as lot of times you go to some churches 23:54 and certain, you know, 23:55 you wonder are people really dancing and moving 23:57 because of the word, because of the presence of God 24:00 or it's because that person hit that key, that chord, 24:02 adjust that right way, 24:04 you know, or the base was doing the right thing, you know. 24:06 So I think we have to consider that as well 24:09 to make sure that we're not just getting moved 24:12 against our will by the music 24:15 but that again, you know, you were saying before, 24:16 the excitement, the genuine excitement 24:18 that you have for, you know, just natural reaction to it. 24:22 So we are making clear that we are not saying 24:24 we need to go to clubs, don't go no parties 24:28 and we're dancing all crazy with this music and stuff. 24:31 You got to first remember that you are the child of God, 24:33 you have a reputation to uphold 24:35 because you are a citizen of the kingdom 24:39 and so your action should mirror that. 24:41 Okay, go ahead. 24:43 I was gonna say that I think a lot of times 24:44 we have to remember that we are advertisements. 24:47 We are walking billboards. 24:49 So whatever I'm doing, I'm advertising something. 24:53 If I go and I get a sandwich from a restaurant 24:56 and I'm eating it, I'm advertising that sandwich 24:58 to the people who are around me. 25:00 If I'm moving my body in a certain way, 25:02 I'm advertising something. I'm giving a message. 25:05 So what message am I portraying? 25:07 When I show up at that party, 25:09 and the music is going or whatever, 25:11 what message am I sending by one, by being there, 25:14 but two, by the way I'm moving my body. 25:15 When I'm in charge and I'm doing whatever, 25:18 what message, what billboard, what am I advertising, 25:21 am I advertising worship, am I advertising praise, 25:24 am I advertising myself or my cloths, 25:27 am I advertising the beat, am I advertising the musicians, 25:30 who am I presenting when I present me 25:34 when whatever way that looks like. 25:35 That's a good one. 25:36 And I think to go along with that, 25:38 I think part of is that we need to abide in Christ 25:42 because dancing is one of those subjects 25:44 that is hard to-- like we said, 25:47 put an overarching rule or law on 25:51 to say that every single, we know exactly what is right, 25:54 what is wrong, blah, blah, blah. 25:55 But when we have a relationship, 25:57 there is certain thing, there's certain way 25:58 that I treat my mother, and I treat my father 25:59 and my brothers and sisters and friends 26:01 simply because I've abide with them 26:03 to the point where I know what pleases them 26:05 and what wouldn't please them. 26:06 And I think it's the same thing with God, 26:08 like we have to get to a point where we are in His presence 26:10 so much that even if there's not necessarily a law or rule 26:13 against or for something, 26:15 we can kind of begin to sense how does God feel about it 26:17 simply because we've been in His presence so much 26:19 that we just know Him so well so we can say, 26:22 you know what, that wouldn't please my Father up in heaven. 26:24 I'm gonna stay away from it. 26:26 Wow, and really having, 26:28 you know, the-- I guess, the ability to do that, 26:32 you know, the passion for God to do that and not say, 26:35 oh, well, I'm too embarrassed to do that. 26:37 I'm too shy to do that. 26:38 But being bold, I guess this is one way for being bold 26:40 to be that for God. 26:42 So I appreciate that. 26:43 All right, real quick you guys, 26:44 we're gonna move to our rapid fire questions. 26:46 You have 10 seconds to answer these questions, okay? 26:48 These random questions, ya'll ready? 26:50 All right, here they go. All right, here they go. 26:52 All right. 26:53 Should you still be in church and live in a sinful life? 26:58 Kim, what do you think? 27:00 Yes, I think if you're sick, you go to the hospital. 27:04 If I have a disease, I go the where the cure is, 27:06 So if I'm sinning, 27:07 I need to get to Jesus 'cause He's the cure. 27:09 Okay. Another question. 27:10 Why do you think that 27:12 the church has looked down upon homosexual so badly? 27:17 While the church doesn't agree with the homosexual lifestyle, 27:21 you know, we still need to understand 27:23 how to treat sinners which we are sinners also 27:26 with the same love that Jesus would have showed them. 27:28 And I think that a church just need to continue 27:30 educating themselves as to how to do that. 27:32 Okay, and last one quickly, 27:33 is it possible not to lust, Brittany? 27:34 All things are possible with God. 27:37 Amen. Amen. All right. 27:39 Let's close with this reading from Psalms 149:3. 27:43 "Let Him praise His name with dancing 27:46 and make music to Him with timbrel and harp." 27:48 At the end of the day, you can dance 27:51 but you got to dance for your God 27:52 and do whatever He has called you to do. 27:54 So, at the end of the day, whatever you decide to do, 27:55 make sure you make pure choices. 27:58 God bless. Have a good day. |
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