Participants: Myesha Lawson (Host), Brittany-Hill Morales, Jacques LaGuerre, Timothy Lawson, Xavier Morales
Series Code: PC
Program Code: PC000103A
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00:06 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:09 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:11 may be too candid for younger children. 00:46 Hi, welcome to the Pure Choices. 00:49 I'll be your host for today's program. 00:51 My name is Myesha Lawson. 00:53 Let me introduce my wonderful panel today, 00:56 my husband, Timothy Lawson, 00:59 Brittany Morales, Jacques LaGuerre, 01:02 and Xavier Morales. 01:05 Today's title is The World's Oldest Profession. 01:10 But before we begin let us pray. 01:15 Dear Lord, I ask that you be with us 01:18 as we do this program, Lord, and for the viewer out there, 01:21 I ask that you open there mind and hearts 01:23 to receive a blessing, Lord. 01:25 In Jesus' name, amen. 01:27 Amen. Amen. 01:29 Today, we're gonna be talking about prostitution. 01:33 It's a very, very touching subject, 01:38 I lived with it for many years. 01:41 So, let us begin, but before that, 01:44 I would like to give you the definition of prostitution. 01:49 "The practise or occupation of engaging in sexual activity 01:55 with someone for payment. 01:59 The unworthy or corrupt use of one's talents 02:04 for the sake of personal or financial gain." 02:10 Now, that stuck out to me when I read it 02:13 because I experienced both types of prostitution. 02:19 So the first question is, 02:22 when and where prostitution first begin? 02:29 Well, 02:31 we don't have a thorough knowledge on the subject. 02:33 I can remember reading from the Bible 02:36 where it first begin 02:37 when God was counselling the children of Israel, 02:41 not to engage in this practise. 02:43 And I think there's a verse that says, 02:45 "That you shall now worship the Lord, 02:47 your God like the nation of the other land, 02:50 don't make your kid out for the price of a dog, 02:54 or the higher of a whore." 02:56 Something to that effect 02:58 and those words in the Bible means temple prostitute. 03:02 And if you go back and see some of the earliest records, 03:04 Babylon being one of the first earliest civilisations, 03:08 when they have prostitution they had it, 03:11 in the form of worship. 03:13 Worship for there other Gods, especially the fertility Gods, 03:16 they would have temple prostitute 03:18 that you can pay fee for 03:20 and engage in a sexual activity dedicated toward there Gods. 03:25 To pay back on what Tim says, 03:28 in ancient Babylon, you have the Goddess Ishtar. 03:31 And every Babylonian women 03:33 would have to serve in the temple. 03:35 And as part of her basic initiation 03:40 she would have to sit down in the temple, 03:42 and in any man that came by and threw a coin her lap, 03:45 she would then have to go and have sex with him. 03:48 And this was worship to there false Babylonian God. 03:53 That's really good, 03:55 because when I've done, like the past I have done research, 03:58 they were saying that, 04:00 oh, it was popular in the 18th century, right? 04:04 And I'm like, I would think it started before then, 04:08 but okay, so. 04:09 But I'm thank you for that information 04:11 that it started in the Bible days. 04:15 So why is prostitution so popular? 04:20 It's easy money, you know. 04:23 It meets both pleasure, 04:24 in both aspects in the physical and in the monitory, 04:27 you know. 04:29 People usually now, especially nowadays they want money 04:32 and they want more sex, so they combined both. 04:36 And in lot of times, 04:37 you know, they may feel like 04:38 they're the person paying for it may not feel like, 04:42 may feel like its good 04:43 because they don't have an emotional attachment 04:45 to anybody. 04:46 Yeah. 04:48 You know, the Bible says, 04:49 "The love of money, you know, is the root of all evil." 04:52 So for financial, or wealthy gain 04:55 men and women will do almost anything, 04:58 including not only sell their bodies 05:01 but, you know, sell another person's body. 05:03 And so living in the culture and society that we do, 05:08 there's a high value placed on getting well 05:11 but not on morals, as it was. 05:14 As long as you have money to take care of yourself, 05:16 you're fine, no matter how you get it. 05:19 And like Xavier was saying, 05:22 to feed the carnal nature for men or women 05:24 who just want sex without the attachment, 05:27 it's seems like a good arrangement for them. 05:29 And it's easy instead of, if I want to, 05:34 yes, I wasn't married and I wanted to have sex, 05:36 I would have to work on building that relationship 05:39 with the person, work on getting on that guy 05:42 to want get on his knee, and purpose. 05:45 Then go to the process of whole engagement, wedding. 05:48 It's a long process versus for prostitution, 05:51 I don't have worry if the person loves me, 05:54 likes me. 05:55 All I have to do is give them few dollars, 05:57 depending on the type of prostitution, 05:59 prostitute, just give me a few dollars, 06:01 I get what I need, move on. 06:04 Right. 06:06 Okay, so now, today, society is like so, 06:11 it's so easy nowadays to just resort to this profession. 06:16 I mean, even men, nowadays guys want to become pimps, 06:21 it's like very popular, you know, 06:23 or women wants to prostitute. 06:26 And you know, do you feel that it comes from the media, 06:31 you know, the things that they are watching? 06:33 And I want talk about, you know, 06:35 where the guys getting this influence, 06:36 like, to become pimps, and you know, 06:40 women are becoming prostitutes, because of the media. 06:44 Well, you know, 06:45 when you look at just the mainstream media now 06:48 it's telling men 06:49 that, they all need to have some sort of harem. 06:52 You know, we all need to be King Solomon, 06:55 before his conversion, 06:56 you know, with 700 wives, and 300 concubines. 07:00 And we see that 07:02 in a digital form of pornography. 07:04 You know, just have your harem, 07:05 have all this different women and have control over them. 07:09 Because when you have a women on a screen, 07:12 in essence you are pimp, you can press Pause, 07:14 you press Play, you can rewind, 07:16 you can do everything like that. 07:18 And so, even for men that won't go 07:21 and basically, have a whole lot of women on a corner 07:25 and controlling them, 07:27 they all becoming pimps in their own homes. 07:32 Also, its kind a glamorized sometime in the media, 07:36 you see, in different songs, in different genre, 07:40 you see heavy emphasis on guys 07:43 who's a, who is a pimp or p-i-m-p 07:46 or he has a lot of women, and he has a lot of money. 07:50 And so you know, 07:51 they glamorize it like a something cool to be, 07:53 something fascinating to be, its something fun to be. 07:55 And also movies glamorize it. 07:58 They, they show different movies 08:01 that kind a down play the ugly side of it. 08:03 So that you don't see the ugly side, 08:05 but the dam play like a good side of it, 08:07 or even if the movies shows is bad, 08:11 what the movie tries to tell you is, 08:12 you can do this for little bit, you know, and be safe, 08:15 and then maybe you'll come up out of it. 08:16 But, that's not the case for lot of people who are in it. 08:19 That's right, that is right. 08:21 They, on media they do down play it, 08:24 you know, there is a ugly a side. 08:27 I mean these, you know, the pimps out there, 08:30 they are abusing of or forcing these young girls 08:34 to prostitute themselves, 08:36 or prostitute for them to make money. 08:40 They'll, sexually assault them, they'll will beat them. 08:44 They call it they call it a "gorilla pimp," okay, 08:48 that's the terminology that they use 08:50 in today's society. 08:52 And it just totally wrong, 08:55 you know there girls out there that are trap, it's a trap. 08:59 Girls out there have a no way out, 09:02 no, they're not even in a safe environment. 09:04 I mean, think about it, 09:06 your women going to a man you don't even know. 09:10 You don't know what he can do to you 09:13 or what he's capable of. 09:15 You know, what mental state he's in, 09:19 and your going, and your thinking that, 09:22 oh, I'm just gonna go make this little money. 09:24 And you might not be able to walk out alive. 09:29 So let's talk about the different levels 09:32 to this profession. 09:34 So we know that, there are different levels, 09:38 there is lower levels, there is "high levels." 09:42 To me, it's all the same. So what do you think? 09:47 Yeah. 09:48 The different levels, especially the higher levels, 09:51 what they call a high end prostitution 09:53 or even legal prostitution or high end brothels. 09:58 When they do, I have seen documentaries on them 10:00 where you talk to the people that are from that lifestyle 10:02 is really glamorize because you're dealing 10:04 with a very rich man that fly women to places, 10:08 and beaches, in large cars, and jewelry, 10:11 and gifts, and things of that nature 10:13 so it's almost look like. 10:14 As matter of fact, I'm was watching a documentary, 10:17 you know, with my wife, 10:19 and it showed a women who is married, 10:20 and had a kid, and had a middle class job, 10:23 but she stop that as a fantasy 10:25 and did high end prostitution because she said, 10:27 she can make more money doing this 10:29 and to fulfill her fantasy. 10:31 And so, there are you know, 10:33 high end levels, lower end levels, and escorting 10:38 and different names that they do have. 10:41 And this is actually a little story, 10:43 I have about that. 10:46 There is a women who was invited on to a yacht, 10:49 you know, those are very high-end party. 10:53 And a man approach right at the bar 10:55 and brought her a drink, and they begin to talk, 10:58 and he let's her know I'm the owner of this yacht. 11:01 Now this girl was, she was from humble beginnings, 11:04 and so when this man, he was speaking in her ear, 11:06 he offered her $10,000 for one night of illicit sex, 11:11 and she was all excited, 11:12 why, I've never got an offered that much money before. 11:15 And so as they go back to the master suite, 11:19 as they close the door, he says, well, how about $10? 11:24 And she gets all upset, and she says, 11:25 "What type of girl do you think I am?" 11:27 And he says, "I already know what type of girl you're. 11:30 Now I'm just trying to determine your price." 11:33 You know, so no matter what the price is, 11:36 it's still prostitution 11:38 and it's still not pleasing the eyes of God. 11:40 Right. 11:42 Now let me go ahead. 11:43 Remember that I read the, you know, 11:48 the second part of the meaning of prostitution. 11:52 "And one's talents 11:53 for the sake of personal or financial gain." 11:58 Well, instead of always having to "have sex," 12:02 there is another form of prostitution. 12:06 As for me, I was a sugar baby once. 12:10 Not all the time, I had, 12:13 you know, intercourse with a guy. 12:16 But just because I'm there and I'm being his arm candy, 12:20 I'm showing him attention, affection, 12:23 something that maybe his wife is not even given him. 12:27 I'm listening to his problems, 12:29 I'm acting as if I really like this man, 12:33 I'm attracted to this man, 12:35 and he means a lot to me, I really care for him. 12:39 But really I'm just being a con artiest, you know. 12:43 So I just really wanted to let that be know 12:46 that there are different levels. 12:47 But regardless, 12:49 you're putting in a price on yourself. 12:52 So, do you think prostitution is legal? 12:59 Not according in a God's law. 13:02 Might be, you know, 13:03 according to man in different states 13:05 it might be okay to engage in that act, 13:07 but the Bible say, 13:09 "That your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost, 13:11 and that you've bought with the price 13:12 so glorify God in your body 13:14 and in your spirit, which are God's." 13:17 And so it's very illegal in God's eyes. 13:22 Amen. 13:23 And when Paul was writing to church at Corinth, 13:25 he says, "No, ye not that, he who is joined to a harlot 13:28 becomes body with her?" 13:30 And he speak about it in a very negative light, 13:32 and so if it is, 13:34 if the Bible speak clearly against it 13:36 in the book of 1 Corinthians then it must be a sin. 13:40 And he talks about that too, 13:42 you know, in reference to the Church. 13:43 Right. 13:44 You know, and it's interesting that, 13:47 we manage to make sin legal, sort of speak, some you know, 13:52 the man's law makes it legal for you to go buy a prostitute. 13:57 But then God's law, you know, even in the Book of Revolution 14:00 talks about the you know, the harlot, 14:02 you know prostitute is completely against God's law. 14:06 Not just because of a law sakes, 14:07 but because of your body, 14:09 the damage that you're doing to your body. 14:11 And even emotionally and spiritually, 14:13 God cares about is it hurting you emotionally. 14:16 God cares about is it hurting you spiritually, 14:18 is it hurting you mentally? 14:20 And sometimes in our illegal system 14:23 the main concern is, 14:24 okay, is it, are you gonna be okay, okay. 14:28 That's why, they may not, 14:30 they are completely against maybe street walkers 14:32 because, they're on the street, 14:33 anything can happen, they can get hurt. 14:35 But if you're in like a safe business, 14:37 of course, people come and have sex with you 14:39 and give you money, 14:40 because of what they assume is safe, 14:43 but it isn't safe. 14:44 None of it is. None of it is safe, trust me. 14:48 You, the same things that can happen out in the street, 14:52 can also happen indoors. 14:55 I mean, you may be going to someone's hotel room, 15:01 I mean, he can still rob you, 15:03 he can still be overly aggressive. 15:07 You know, he may not take you, 15:09 pull you back to alley and beat you up and rob you, 15:12 but he can do those things. 15:13 You know, he can even tie you up 15:15 and throw you up in the bathroom or torture you. 15:17 He can do all those things. 15:19 So you're never safe 15:21 even if you're indoors or out on the street. 15:26 Now, I want to go into the part of addition. 15:29 Is it addictive? 15:31 And I want talk about, 15:32 you know, my part far as been a prostitute 15:35 and the customer. 15:39 Go ahead. 15:40 Well, I can speak from the customer point of view. 15:44 After I join the military, 15:46 I kind of got sucked in to that life of soliciting 15:49 or buying prostitutes. 15:51 And I never thought I get there in my life, 15:55 but sin, it's a downward spiral. 15:59 That's for sure. 16:01 You know, you start of with just pornography 16:04 and you start off, kissie-kissie, touchy-touchy, 16:07 and before you know it you're going in that corner 16:09 where you know all the prostitute hangout. 16:12 And it became an addictive behavior 16:14 because there is no, there is no, there is no risk 16:21 really that you perceive that you're taking. 16:23 All you have to do is have the money 16:26 and you know you're gonna get that sexual gratification. 16:29 Even going out to bars and club became kind off boring 16:32 because now I still had to try to talk to a girl, 16:35 asides of buying her drink, 16:37 I still had to say the right things. 16:38 With the prostitute, if I just had the right amount of money. 16:43 And so, it became very, very, addictive 16:47 because of that nature. 16:48 As long as I have the amount of money, 16:50 it was more a transaction; 16:51 it was like going to a restaurant 16:54 and buying food, you know, 16:56 it wasn't interacting with another human being. 16:58 And what had taught me that behavior was the media, 17:03 was pornography, 17:04 because, I would never been giving a woman money for sex 17:09 if I didn't think that that behavior was normal, 17:13 if I didn't think that a woman was an object 17:15 that should be bought, I would never been there. 17:17 But because of all my exposure to pornography and to the media 17:21 and just my own rejection of Christ, 17:24 and His message, and His church, 17:26 I found my self there. 17:27 Right. 17:29 I want to touch on, the prostitution view. 17:32 Okay, and how addicted it was. 17:35 Well, as for me, this is very personal. 17:38 It started off with the money, of course, you know. 17:43 I was in a situation where I needed money. 17:47 So I went to prostitution, I didn't like it at all, 17:52 but I only did it for the money. 17:54 Then it progressed, it progressed 17:56 while I'm starting to get wined and dined, you know. 18:00 I'm getting all this attention, 18:03 people are telling me that I'm very beautiful 18:05 and, oh, you're just awesome, you're amazing, 18:08 and I'm getting all you know, all these "good things," okay. 18:13 And being told all these wonderful things about myself, 18:16 that, you know, basically, 18:18 I probably didn't know anything about myself, you know. 18:21 And when you first start you're gonna think like, 18:23 oh, my goodness, 18:24 I can't believe, I'm doing this, you know. 18:27 At times I felt dirty, I would take a shower 18:30 and literally scrub myself, and you would see marks on my neck 18:35 from scrubbing because I felt so dirty. 18:38 And then 18:40 all that comes to my self-esteem, you know. 18:45 So I want to really talk about 18:47 what are the effects in the industry 18:49 for men and women, 18:51 and I want to talk about the affects 18:53 for that people are buying, 18:56 you know that men and women are buying 18:59 or spending their money on prostitution. 19:02 Well, I would say you know, 19:04 you two can probably chime in on this. 19:06 I would say, it effects both of people self-worth. 19:09 You know, a person, you gave a testimony 19:13 where you didn't feel that talking a woman. 19:14 There might be some guys who try to talk to women 19:17 and maybe can't get them or something like that. 19:19 So they might feel they're not good enough, 19:21 but they can just pay for it. 19:22 And so they might, you know, feel in their self 19:25 that they can't connect with women on that level 19:29 and so they don't feel like they're worth that much. 19:31 And then a women who is getting paid for it 19:34 can start to identify her worth by this price, 19:38 you know, mentally, 19:40 you know, and emotionally I might not be worth much, 19:43 but physically, I can get this price. 19:46 And so I'm somebody, I'm something, you know. 19:51 Well, for me as a consumer, 19:53 it started to affect just my sexual desires. 19:59 You know, things of a healthy consensual nature 20:04 stopped really having the natural effect 20:08 and my taste began to become more violent 20:11 and more sadistic, if you will. 20:14 And it was because 20:15 I was so far away from God's perfect plan for sex. 20:20 I had resorted to prostitution, to soliciting prostitutes, 20:25 which we talk about earlier is a form of worship. 20:29 And so, in this act of worship to false God 20:33 I was becoming more and more debased, 20:35 becoming more and more animalistic. 20:37 And I didn't even notice it until after my conversation 20:40 and the Holy Spirit was bringing me to myself 20:44 like the prodigal son in the pig pan 20:46 when he actually realized where he was. 20:50 And when I looked at my life 20:51 and I saw the things I had engaged 20:54 and the things that I had thinking about, 20:56 fantasizing about, I said, oh my goodness, 20:58 I can't believe I got here. 21:00 But it was a slow gradual decline into sin. 21:05 Go ahead. 21:06 I think too, I mean, 21:07 my standpoint was from a customer 21:09 but actually somebody arresting a prostitute, 21:12 you know, back in my former days. 21:15 It's sad. Yes. 21:17 You look at their driver's license 21:18 and you see how they were and then you look at them now 21:22 and you see how strong out on drugs they were. 21:24 And it's almost heart breaking because you look, like I said, 21:28 look at this, a young lady, you know. 21:31 In her 20s, you look at her driver's license 21:33 and you're arresting her for prostitution, 21:34 for soliciting, and you look at the picture, 21:37 you look at her, 21:38 and that she just looks so deteriorated and old. 21:41 It's like this stuff, 21:43 and it's only in a matter of years 21:45 that damages this individual for life. 21:50 And probably to go little further, 21:53 but going back to the addiction. 21:55 One form of you know sex decision is anonymous. 21:58 And like Tim was saying earlier, 22:01 the guy might be going to this young lady 22:05 because no one else wants him. 22:08 So when he feeling stressed, 22:09 no one else is listening to him, 22:11 I'm gonna go to a prostitute. 22:13 Feeling depressed because he didn't get that promotion, 22:15 I'm gonna go to a prostitute. 22:17 So every single time something is happening in his life, 22:20 he can't find any support from people 22:22 who he really needs that support from, 22:24 he's going to a prostitute over and over and over again. 22:27 And it effects, that's affecting his wallet, 22:31 because; and it's affecting his body 22:33 'cause you don't know what's your getting. 22:36 Condoms only work so much, they only go so far. 22:40 Affecting relationships 22:41 because you start blowing off people, 22:43 'cause you're not helping me 22:44 the way I think you should be helping me, 22:45 so I'm gonna go to someone who doesn't really care me 22:48 but they help me in a way I think works for right now. 22:52 And it's also again, when you finally find someone, 22:55 I'm gonna marry you. 22:57 You try to, you try to connect but you can't connect 23:03 because your mind is somewhere else. 23:06 And when they wake up like, where is my spouse, 23:09 why they are not beside me, they're out going somewhere. 23:11 You feel cheated on, you feel disrespect, 23:13 you feel so many different things, 23:14 this doesn't only affect the person who is a prostitute 23:18 or even the one who is soliciting the prostitute, 23:20 it affects their family and their friends. 23:22 Right, you're so right about that. 23:24 Now as for me, how would it affect me. 23:29 It brought down my self-worth, you know. 23:33 It made me do extra things for the outer appearance, 23:38 because how I felt in the inside. 23:40 You know, instead of embracing my natural beauty, 23:44 I became plastic, you know. 23:46 I'm looking at all these shows on TV 23:50 and videos and so forth, 23:54 and I'm doing my make up as just they did, 23:56 or I'm wearing provocative clothes 23:58 because I felt ugly inside, you know. 24:03 It was, it became addictive, because of the money 24:07 and I was able to buy anything I want, you know. 24:10 I could blow money 24:12 and then make it back up that night, you know. 24:16 So, and then on top of that, 24:18 I start, I began to embrace the way I looked 24:21 in the outer appearance 24:22 and forgot about what it's doing to me 24:24 in the inside. 24:25 You know, I'm gonna go spend $300 on my weave 24:29 because it's gonna make me look good, 24:30 it's gonna make me feel good, you know. 24:33 And I'm gonna buy these shoes because it makes me feel good. 24:36 Why not do something for myself? 24:37 I work hard, you know, 24:40 and being able to just do whatever I want. 24:45 That became addictive to me, okay. 24:49 And so, I want talk about sex trafficking, you know. 24:53 It's doesn't only happen in America 24:55 but I believe happen all over the world. 24:58 So what are your thoughts on sex trafficking? 25:00 Actually, it's interesting because during like events, 25:04 big sporting events such as super bowl 25:06 or other big sporting events, 25:08 it uses a mast or bridge to be able to get big money buyers 25:12 to exchange or purchase girls 25:16 that are under drugs, that are kidnapped 25:18 from other places and drugged up, 25:20 and be able to exchange them for a price and sell them off. 25:23 So like, your love ones or anything like that, 25:25 they could be potentially victims 25:27 or being sold off to him 25:28 and trafficking to very popular, 25:30 extremely popular underground prostitution industry. 25:34 And myself, I actually read an article 25:36 dealing with one of these big sporting events 25:39 where a women was invited to a party 25:42 for one of these big sporting events. 25:44 And when she got there, 25:47 there was no one there but one guy 25:49 and he began to kind of like talk to her, 25:52 and eventually he forced her into prostitution. 25:56 And this was in America, you know, 25:58 and she tells her story how she was into a prostitution 26:00 and how it affected her, 26:03 and by God's grace she was brought out of that. 26:06 But she wrote that, even now that she's married, 26:09 it still has a little effect on her relationship 26:11 with her husband. 26:12 And so, this trafficking is going on in a America. 26:16 And there was a trafficker that they actually caught 26:18 and they give me a little plea bargain to say, 26:20 if you'll give me of the higher people 26:22 we'll give you a break. 26:24 And they were asking him, 26:25 "So how do you take women in America 26:28 and turn them into prostitutes?" 26:30 And he said, "He goes up to woman in the mall, 26:32 and he says, 'You have nice eyes.' 26:34 And if the woman says, 'No, I don't,' 26:36 or she looks down like low self-esteem," 26:39 that's the women he would target. 26:41 And so these things are happening in America, 26:43 in our own malls, because the devil knows 26:46 that he could use people who have low self-esteem 26:49 and traffic them sexually. 26:51 Yes. 26:52 Also it's basically 26:54 like form of modern day slavery, you know. 26:57 It's the worst thing that could happen, 26:58 you know between humans to the human race. 27:00 One human using another human for their own personal gain, 27:05 for money, and looking at another person like an object 27:09 like they not human. 27:10 Like this is just like another car, 27:12 this is gonna help me, this is gonna make me money, 27:15 and this is gonna be good for me, and so. 27:18 And it's not just only older people, 27:20 the ages getting younger and younger 27:22 where they want to traffic boys and girls, and exploit them, 27:27 and expose them to this lifestyle. 27:31 Well, this topic today is very, very serious. 27:38 I once lived this lifestyle 27:41 and I've struggled to get out of this lifestyle. 27:45 I had so many strongholds, 27:49 it tore me into pieces, 27:51 and I felt that there was no hope. 27:54 But there is hope. 27:56 Jesus loves you. 27:59 So remember to make pure choices. |
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