Participants: Brittany Hill-Morales (Host), Dajanae Anderson, Keith Hackle Jr
Series Code: PC
Program Code: PC000131A
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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:03 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:05 may be too candid for younger children. 00:40 Welcome to Pure Choices. 00:42 My name is Brittany Hill-Morales 00:43 and I am the host for today's program. 00:46 We are having a very, 00:48 very excellent conversation today. 00:51 It is about birth control. 00:54 But before we start the conversation 00:55 let's pray. 00:57 There come in us heavenly Father, 00:59 dear Lord, as we are about to begin this discussion 01:02 I pray to Lord you'll be with us here, 01:04 and you'll also be with the viewers at home. 01:06 Thank you so much for being our God 01:08 and so much more, in Jesus' name. 01:09 Amen. Amen. 01:11 So we have two wonderful people here on the couch. 01:15 We have Pastor Keith Hackle from Iowa 01:18 and we also have Mrs. Dajanae Anderson, 01:21 from Texas. 01:23 So we are discussing birth control. 01:28 There is a mixed feeling about birth control. 01:32 Some people automatically say, 01:34 "Duh, you should use birth control, 01:37 you're married. 01:38 It just makes sense 01:39 if you're not trying to have children right now." 01:41 Others say, "What you're doing? 01:43 No, you don't use birth control, 01:45 that's just not of God." 01:47 Right. 01:48 So before we dig all the way in, 01:51 what do you think birth control is? 01:53 Or even based on your own experience? 01:56 Birth control is some method 02:03 that one utilizes to prevent 02:07 birth from occurring 02:11 while engaging in sexual intercourse. 02:15 So that, yeah, there is... 02:18 That's what I think birth control is. 02:19 There are different methods that people use 02:21 to prevent the production of life, 02:25 the product of life. 02:26 Yeah. 02:27 I mean, I can't add too much to it, 02:29 but just it's a conscious decision 02:31 that this is, 02:33 "We don't want to go this way right now. 02:35 So what can we do to maintain still our intimacy 02:39 or interaction, 02:41 but also prevent 02:43 what may be some of the result?" 02:45 It's like the person, 02:47 the couple they realize 02:48 that sex can produce children. 02:50 Yes. Right. 02:51 So they say, 02:53 "We don't want children right now, 02:55 but we still want to be together 02:58 in this way that God has ordained for us 03:01 to be together." 03:02 So they're using some sort of technique. 03:04 And like we said, it's kind of wide 03:06 because there are so many different techniques 03:08 people have the home remedies, 03:11 which we're not, you know, pushing for but they have, 03:15 you know, home remedies, and you still have 03:16 a lot of medical, biological, scientific, 03:20 all this research has been put into 03:22 these different types of things, 03:24 IUDs, 03:26 hormone pills, 03:28 implants, 03:30 doing all these different things. 03:32 Shots. Yeah. 03:34 We have the shots 03:35 to help manipulate the woman's body 03:41 so that she will not have a child. 03:44 And I think that's probably why there is a lot 03:46 of back and forth tension about that, right? 03:48 Yes. 03:49 And then you have to be aware, as well, 03:53 that some of these things, 03:54 so everything might not be for you, 03:57 for the woman. 03:58 Because there are some discomforts, 04:01 there are some side effects. 04:02 There are some things that you have to be concerned about. 04:04 So it's important for individuals, 04:07 as they're looking for the method of birth control, 04:10 to be conscious of the fact 04:12 that there may be some issues, 04:14 have that conversation with your doctor, 04:15 have that conversation with your spouse. 04:18 And to really know that this is going to be the method 04:22 and maybe you're gonna try different ones, 04:23 maybe there is one that won't work for you, 04:26 but may be there is another one. 04:28 But just being cautious of that fact is important 04:31 because a lot of people have gotten 04:34 in difficult situations because of it. 04:35 Uh-huh. Because of birth control. 04:38 Yes. I would just agree. 04:40 I would just agree and it... 04:42 I think that many times we have, as Christians, 04:46 where we have spiritual reasons 04:47 why to be on birth control 04:51 or to not be on birth control. 04:54 And which methods of birth control 04:56 are accepted by God 04:58 and which birth control methods are not accepted by God. 05:02 And so then like what we said, 05:05 the couple then has to decide 05:07 based on the light that they've been, 05:11 they've been given, they've been shown 05:13 to make that educated, 05:16 that information... 05:17 That educated decision based on information 05:21 that everyone can receive access to, 05:23 and that educated decision based on 05:26 what God has revealed. 05:28 And I think both of those things together, 05:31 is what drives the Christian to make that decision. 05:34 And I agree, as a scriptural 05:36 and even on the guideline that has provided by our churches, 05:39 we have freedom to choose. 05:42 God has given us that freedom of choice 05:43 to try to figure out 05:46 exactly which method or technique is for us 05:49 or if we should be using any method at all. 05:52 Because we talked about these more medical techniques 05:58 but there is also 06:00 what basically my doctor has told me 06:01 that we can also plan, I mean, ovulation cycle. 06:04 Ovulation. 06:06 Or you can also do the pull and pray. 06:10 Where after your... 06:12 in the moment and you say, 06:13 "You know, what, I don't want to ejaculate into my wife." 06:15 Yes. 06:17 So I pull out, ejaculate somewhere else 06:18 but then I've also heard other people say, 06:21 "That's not what God would want you to do 06:24 because you're wasting the fruits." 06:26 So there is like a lot of controversy 06:29 I'm going on with it, 06:30 but based on scriptural guidance 06:31 is not no hardcore. 06:33 "No, do not use birth control, 06:35 yes, you must use birth control." 06:37 And in my personal experience, I do not use birth control. 06:40 And when I made that statement to someone, 06:43 that I do not use birth control, 06:44 James was quickly quoted to me 06:46 that God have given us God-given wisdom, 06:49 and God-given wisdom is birth control. 06:51 And if you don't use birth control, 06:53 you're gonna be pregnant on your honeymoon, 06:55 and nine months after every single time 06:58 you're going to be pregnant. 07:00 Well, I've been married over two years, 07:01 I want to be pregnant once 07:03 not when we're on our honeymoon. 07:04 So... 07:05 Right. 07:07 And it was like almost close to a year after being married 07:10 when I actually got pregnant, 07:12 but people have these different philosophies, 07:15 these hardcore so there are any other scripture 07:18 like guidelines for helping us 07:20 make that decision? 07:23 I would first like kind of comment on that. 07:27 I definitely have a problem when people use scripture 07:29 to support their opinion 07:31 that James is not talking about birth control. 07:35 And so like that... 07:37 That's not what James is talking about in that passage. 07:41 Now, I can understand using wisdom 07:43 but sometimes wisdom is not... 07:48 Your wisdom, 07:49 which was wise in your situation, 07:51 may not be widthwise from my situation. 07:54 So don't use the Bible to tell me 07:56 that I need to do, which you think I should do. 07:59 Don't do that. 08:00 Don't do that, I don't like that. 08:02 But, yeah, that's my comment for now. 08:05 I think that's... 08:06 No, I was gonna say Proverbs 3:5-6 it says, 08:09 "Trust in God, " right? 08:11 "In everything acknowledge Him," right? 08:13 And He will direct our path, right? 08:14 And so if we trust in Him to do or to guide us, 08:19 we come to Him and we say, 08:20 "Listen, God, what do you want for us?" 08:22 Right? "Should we use birth control?" 08:24 There was a time in which my wife was using birth control 08:27 and so there were these ovarian cysts. 08:30 I'm not a doctor so I just hear what the doctor says 08:33 and my wife is a nurse and she explains it to me 08:34 and breaks it down to kid's level 08:36 so I can understand it. 08:38 But the birth control that she was using 08:40 was causing this complication. 08:42 And so we weren't at a position 08:43 where we wanted to have more children. 08:46 And so we're looking at options, 08:49 pull and pray became a possibility 08:52 and so but you begin to look it and you say, 08:54 "God, what do you want?" 08:55 Because what I don't want to happen 08:57 is for my wife to go through this process 08:59 of continually experiencing 09:01 discomfort and things like that. 09:02 So we now need to make a decision, 09:05 this is off the table. 09:06 So now what else are we going to do 09:07 and so we come to God and say, 09:09 "God, what do you want for us to do?" 09:12 And I believe that's a solid way 09:15 to not abuse the scriptures 09:17 but I also say, "Listen, we're brining God into this, 09:19 we're asking Him for direction." 09:20 And at the end of the day 09:22 He will make that thing plain to you. 09:23 And I think that's the thing God needs to... 09:26 We need to let God show us 09:28 which scriptures to use in our situation. 09:33 Because like you said, 09:34 you could be having 09:35 a completely different circumstance. 09:37 In my family, 09:39 my sister had problems with her birth control. 09:42 And when I saw what she went through, 09:45 I said, "I don't want to go through that." 09:48 And also weeding that birth control 09:50 it affects your sex drive, 09:52 it alters your mood, and all this different stuff. 09:55 And you having to pick 09:57 and still trying to pick another one. 09:59 I said to myself 10:00 I want to take time enjoying with my spouse. 10:05 I don't want to be worrying 10:07 about if something wrong is going on in my body. 10:10 I don't want to be snapping at him, 10:13 when we should be connecting 10:15 and that's the decision we made. 10:17 We sat down together 10:18 and he also looked at the side effects 10:20 of the different birth controls 10:21 and he said, "We are not going to do this medical stuff." 10:25 We sometimes use condoms, but even then we don't like it. 10:30 So we say, 10:31 "This is for us, 10:33 we know that when we got married 10:35 this is what sexuality is, 10:36 and what it brings to the table." 10:38 And we also say, 10:39 "God, just because we're married 10:41 it doesn't mean, and we're having sex 10:43 doesn't mean we're gonna have children." 10:44 There is a lot of people 10:46 who have been having sex for 15, 20 years 10:48 and they're asking God, 10:50 "Why don't I have any kids?" 10:51 They stop using birth control, 10:53 they have done all these different methods 10:55 and techniques trying to get pregnant 10:57 and God says, "No." 10:58 And there are some people who God says, 11:00 "One", and then afterwards He says, 11:01 "Your husband is dried up, no more to come." 11:03 True. 11:04 God determines when children are supposed 11:06 to enter this world. 11:08 And we wholeheartedly, we pray and say, 11:12 "God, in this moment, you determine for us 11:16 what's going to happen in this encounter. 11:19 If you say it's for us to get pregnant 11:22 and have a child, we humbly accept it. 11:24 We present this as an opportunity 11:27 for you to take complete control." 11:29 And I understand some people, they are still feeling God out, 11:33 and they may not have that level of comfort 11:36 where they are like, "God, I'm trying to trust you 11:38 and I know you're Jesus and you're savior. 11:39 But I'm not sure of that." 11:41 And that's okay. 11:42 That's where you are right now, 11:44 may be you'll get there or may be 11:45 God is saying you need to be on birth control, 11:47 maybe He sees 'cause some people 11:48 they do use birth control, 11:51 the medical kind to cover other problems. 11:54 So maybe God might be like 11:56 "I don't want you know what the problem is, 11:57 but I'm gonna tell you choose birth controls 11:58 that recovers and heals it". 12:00 So there are different reasons, 12:02 and God will instruct and tell you. 12:05 But the thing is you have to go to Him in the prayer. 12:09 And as a couple, 12:11 you have to have the conversation 12:14 of what to do. 12:15 And like you said, 12:16 other people don't need to shame you 12:18 into not using it. 12:20 Right. Or shame you into using it. 12:22 Right. 12:24 Because you have to be the one who makes that decision 12:27 because you're the one who knows what you can handle. 12:28 That's right. Right. 12:30 And so, I mean, 12:31 I have a little bit of a different understanding 12:34 when it comes to martial sex and producing children. 12:39 In that I believe that there is a system 12:43 that God has in place. 12:45 And sometimes the Lord intervenes in that system 12:49 to cause children or to prevent children. 12:53 But I believe that, sometimes or other times 12:55 that the Lord just has this system set in place 12:59 and He is not always... 13:02 How do I, it's like, 13:03 God knows what's going to happen, 13:05 but God does not always seize control over the product. 13:10 And so what am I saying? 13:12 I believe that there are some children 13:15 that are, that are... 13:16 There are some women who get pregnant 13:18 and it's not necessarily God's plan, 13:21 but God knew that it was going to happen. 13:24 Because having sex, whether you're married or not, 13:28 within the system that God has put in to place, 13:31 having sex is to produce children. 13:35 And, you know, 13:36 that's not the only reason, right? 13:38 But that is one of the reasons, 13:40 that is the result of having sex 13:43 and ejaculating into a woman 13:46 or into a female that is... 13:49 It's there. 13:50 Another thing in going to the Bible... 13:54 In going to the Bible, in Genesis 38, 13:57 a lot of people use that story of Onan to say 14:02 that you should not, 14:03 that if a man ejaculates, 14:08 it is sin for him to ejaculate outside of the woman. 14:12 I think that, from my theological training, 14:16 I believe that that is false. 14:18 That in the story the sin was that, 14:22 in the context of Genesis 38, 14:25 he was instructed to ejaculate 14:29 into this woman and he did not. 14:33 He did not want to produce children 14:35 because even then it was understood 14:37 that if I ejaculate there is a possibility 14:41 that I can have a child with this woman. 14:44 And he did not want to do that. 14:46 So he was disobeying the instruction of God 14:49 through the Man of God, 14:51 as Judah gave him that instruction, 14:53 he was God's mouthpiece. 14:55 And so that was the sin, 14:57 the sin was not the releasing 15:01 or the ejaculation on to the floor in and of itself 15:04 but it was doing that in disobedience. 15:08 That's a good point. 15:09 I absolutely agree, I can't add anything. 15:12 No, it is important and we keep bringing, 15:15 the question keeps bringing why do people try 15:17 to abuse the Bible and make it say, 15:19 what they wanted to say. And it's important, 15:21 if we could just give a Bible study key, 15:24 pay attention to the context. 15:26 It's not just one verse. 15:27 You can't take one verse and run. 15:29 You got to look here, little there, little, 15:30 and put it all together 15:31 and come up with a sound theology. 15:34 And that's important. 15:35 It is important. 15:37 Because birth control as we look at it, 15:41 it is not an easy conversation 15:43 because some people feel 15:46 it is human intervention into a God design, 15:51 and are we preventing 15:54 what could have been. 15:56 And what if God wanted this and we're saying, 15:59 "No, God, I don't want." 16:00 Like what she said. What if it is being disobedient? 16:03 And that goes back to having the conversation with God. 16:05 "God, do you want me on this?" 16:07 And God might be like, 16:09 "No, it's gonna be okay. I will handle it." 16:11 And that's what it is for me. 16:14 And it's really hard for me to trust and He says, 16:17 "I will handle it, I know what I'm doing right now." 16:19 And who knows maybe 5, 10 years from now 16:22 I will get the reason for why 16:24 He didn't want me on birth control. 16:26 For this maybe He'll tell me why 16:27 I didn't want you to do the hormone pills, 16:29 why I didn't want you on IUD. 16:30 I knew it was gonna happen that's why I told you no. 16:32 Right. 16:33 And that's what it is, to be obedient 16:35 and truly ask God that question. 16:38 And for those who do want to use birth control 16:40 or want to go to that kind of flip. 16:43 The things to consider is 16:45 the physical and the biological factors. 16:47 Yes. Talk to your doctor about it. 16:50 Yes. 16:51 Based on your experience... 16:53 I know, I talked about mood, was there anything else 16:54 that may be you kind of experience with people? 16:57 I think that's one of the biggest ones. 16:59 I know there are some birth controls that exists, 17:01 that stop you from having your period. 17:04 For others, it has the opposite affect. 17:06 Sometimes women have issues 17:08 with having their periods regularly 17:11 and in that some doctors recommend birth control 17:14 because it will give the woman a regular period. 17:17 That's one of the reasons for being on birth control. 17:22 But sometimes it can actually... 17:24 A woman who regularly haves her periods, 17:28 it can stop the regularity of the menstrual cycle 17:32 which is damaging 17:34 to the reproductive system, right? 17:35 Because the woman's body cleanses itself 17:39 and that's what your period or menstruation, 17:43 that's what's happening. 17:45 And so that's one reason. 17:51 The hormone imbalance, that, I think that's a big one. 17:54 I think that's a really, really big one 17:57 to where you're snappy and you don't realize it. 18:00 And some when you read, you can go online 18:03 and see all these different side effects 18:05 for different birth controls. 18:08 There one symptom is depression, 18:12 not just mood swings but depression, 18:15 there are several symptoms. 18:18 And so being able like you guys have already said 18:22 I would just highlight and agree. 18:24 I don't personally have any other ones. 18:27 I think that's where 18:29 in relationship to the previous thing 18:32 that I said about Onan, 18:34 I believe that there are times that God will say, 18:39 "Don't be on birth control." 18:41 And if you are disobedient 18:44 because your church, 18:47 your denomination does not have a stance on birth control, 18:51 and it says, 18:52 "You can be on birth control 18:54 if you want to be on birth control, 18:55 but God has told you not to be on birth control, 18:58 then that's where this passage is applicable 19:00 because now you're being disobedient to God directly." 19:05 And so that would be my take. 19:09 Yeah, and I would also probably add in addition 19:11 to factors to consider is, the financial factor. 19:15 Birth control is not something that's easily covered 19:18 by all insurances based on what you wanted to. 19:21 And also considering how it is administered to you, 19:25 if you're gonna take the pill every single day, 19:27 if you going to have to say, 19:29 "Stop, honey, go find the condoms and put one on." 19:32 I mean, timing out how do you actually pull out 19:35 so you're not ejaculating, 19:36 all these little things you have to figure out 19:39 what is actually going to work for us 19:41 and be effective to do 19:44 what you are saying you want to. 19:46 If you don't want... 19:47 I think it will be probably not horrible 19:51 but it's challenging to be trying to not have children, 19:58 you are doing to act to have children. 20:01 You're thinking that this thing that you're using 20:03 is going to help you not have children, 20:05 and then you'll find yourself pregnant 20:07 with the child. 20:09 Yes. But it's possible. 20:10 It is possible. 20:11 It's very, it's more than possible. 20:13 'Cause these aren't 100 % effective. 20:14 Yeah. 20:15 They would tell you that they don't say a 100% 20:17 but they leave in that room for it. 20:19 And I had a cousin called me one day... 20:21 He is like, "Man, listen, have you gone 20:22 and got in the vasectom," I'm like, "No, dude." 20:25 He's like, "Well, until you do that, 20:26 you're not really serious about not having children." 20:29 That's how far you have to go to show that you're serious, 20:32 but then there is even stories with that. 20:34 There are even stories with that. 20:36 Where ladies are like, 20:37 "Hey, I went and got my tubes done, 20:38 " and guys are like, "Hey, I went and got snipped 20:40 and they come back" 20:41 and a couple of months of later. 20:42 Couple is pregnant. Yeah. 20:44 And so, and that make sure you have to understand 20:48 that God is involved in this thing. 20:49 Yes. Right? 20:51 It's not just some medical calculation 20:54 that you can put together 20:55 but with that God is involved... 20:57 I mean, I know people who watch their wife's cycle 21:00 and they've been watching this thing for years 21:03 and it just never takes. 21:05 And so then when prayer and God is involved, 21:09 then a couple who has been trying to get pregnant 21:11 for five, six, seven years, now she is pregnant, 21:13 you know what I'm saying. 21:15 And so we have to understand, 21:16 we cannot leave out 21:18 the importance of God in the equation. 21:20 But we also have to be responsible. 21:22 We also have to make choices and decisions as well. 21:26 And that's why it's important to consult Him 21:29 and ask Him to direct our path. 21:30 Definitely. 21:32 So I believe that what we're saying thus far 21:33 whether you are using or you're not using, 21:36 it is based on your relationship with God 21:38 and how do you trust Him. 21:41 And going back to, again, 21:43 to if He told you not to and you still are, 21:47 or if He said you must be on it, 21:49 and you're like, "No, God, 21:50 I want to have kids now, I want to do this." 21:51 And He is like, "No, I'm trying to help you 21:54 time this thing out." 21:56 And what we want the viewers to understand 21:58 is you have to actually be serious 22:02 about your relationship, 22:03 there are different things in your marital relationship 22:05 where you really to have to have conversations. 22:07 And sex is one of them 22:09 but also how are we planning for children. 22:13 Children are not something you can just, 22:15 "Oops, you're pregnant. 22:17 Oops, you're pregnant again. Oops." 22:19 These are children who need certain balances, 22:23 they need certain stability. 22:25 Yeah. 22:26 And if you're not having the conversation, 22:29 you just woke up one morning and say, 22:32 "Hey, let's get married 22:33 'cause I really want to sleep with you, 22:34 because we wed somewhere." 22:37 That, you know, it's better to marry than to burn. 22:41 Right. 22:42 It's one of those things that you seriously 22:43 have to sit down and talk about. 22:46 Yeah. 22:47 And figure out which method or technique 22:51 is going to work for you. 22:53 There is a responsibility. There is a responsibility. 22:55 And that's another thing that our churches also talks about 22:58 and even in the Bible it talks about responsible stewardship, 23:01 we are stewards. 23:02 We're stewards of not only of this earth 23:04 but of our bodies, 23:06 our body is the temple... 23:08 That's right. Yes. 23:09 And we have to be responsible 23:10 for also this other little bodies 23:12 that we can bring into this world. 23:15 And we have to say like, "Okay, God, 23:18 I'm not completely sure when." 23:21 Because there is no way it's actually time, "the when". 23:24 That's true. 23:25 You could be saying, I want to get pregnant 23:27 and like we said tried for nine years 23:28 and still not gonna happen. 23:29 Right. 23:31 But we need to be responsible stewards. 23:32 And I think another thing is, first thing to understand... 23:35 We mentioned it before the procreation purpose. 23:39 Sexuality creates children. 23:42 And I want to talk about a small issue 23:45 that we've been having 23:46 with the increase of birth control, 23:49 the increased success rate of birth controls 23:51 is that now we have non-marital sex increasing 23:57 and we, as leaders can't tell people, 24:01 "No, you can't have sex because of xyz." 24:05 "Well, I have birth control so I'm gonna have sex with x, 24:07 whoever I want to 'cause I'm not..." 24:10 Let's have that conversation for a little bit of that issue 24:12 that we have with the increase of birth control. 24:14 Right. 24:15 I think that's always had, 24:17 I think that's always been an issue 24:19 as far as reasoning 24:21 for why you should not have premarital 24:27 or, like you said, non-marital sex 24:30 is because there might be fruits of your labor. 24:34 Because in the history of our Christianity of churches 24:39 we see that, that puts more shame 24:42 on the woman than it does on the man 24:45 because the woman has to walk around 24:47 with the fruit of being pregnant, of evidence, 24:51 that she participated in non-marital sex. 24:55 And so that's always been an issue of morality 24:59 and the responsibility of the male 25:02 that it takes two. 25:05 And unless there was force involved, 25:08 both parties are equally responsible. 25:10 And so I think it's a bad idea 25:14 to tell young couples, older couples, 25:18 that you should not engage in sex 25:20 because you may get pregnant. 25:23 Because, you know, like you said, 25:24 well, I'm on birth control so now I can. 25:27 So now what... it's like what we must do 25:32 is state actual reasons 25:36 to not have sex 25:38 that are based on their relationship with God. 25:42 We need to go in deeper. 25:44 We can't say, 25:45 "I remember going to my mom like, 25:47 "Well, if you have sex, you're gonna get pregnant 25:48 then I'm gonna chase you all round Antigua." 25:52 If I was another type of child, 25:55 I could have been like "Mummy, 25:56 I can just get on birth control." 25:58 And that's what happening. 25:59 We have to go deeper into our conversation and say, 26:02 "Okay, this is why you really shouldn't," 26:05 or even some parents using it as a safety net. 26:07 "You know what? 26:08 I can't prevent you from having sex. 26:10 I'm just gonna give you birth control." 26:11 No, we need to have a deeper conversation. 26:13 You're absolutely, right. 26:15 And I use this as a talking point. 26:18 There are certain things 26:20 that are only for when you get married. 26:23 And our young people need to understand that, right? 26:27 And so we always look at, 26:29 I often look at the Ten Commandments 26:30 and I say, "Hey, God didn't say don't fornicate." 26:33 He said do not commit adultery. Why did he say that? 26:36 Because He has given us an understanding that He values 26:40 the sanctity of marriage, right? 26:42 It's important that you understand 26:44 there are certain things 26:45 that you do not do unless you're married, right? 26:48 And so once you're married, 26:50 now we can start having the conversation 26:52 of whether we're going to use contraceptives or not. 26:54 But we must be firm on the point 26:58 that this thing is after marriage, 27:01 we're not giving you opportunities, 27:03 the world may be given you opportunities 27:05 on what you can use prior to marriage. 27:08 But we're always on the stance 27:10 of this is a conversation you have 27:12 after you been married and you're with your spouse. 27:16 Definitely. 27:17 I would also add probably those months leading up 27:20 so that if you need to start 27:22 using a certain form of birth control, 27:24 it can be ineffective when you're married. 27:27 Oh, for the honeymoon. Yeah, for the honeymoon. 27:29 So as we're finishing this conversation here, 27:31 we want you to keep on discussing. 27:34 What, should you and your spouse be using birth control? 27:38 Are you being obedient to God or not? 27:41 The scriptures talk about the children 27:42 being a gift of the Lord, they are reward from Him. 27:46 Children are a blessing. 27:48 And God determines whether you should be pregnant or not. 27:51 Trust Him, ask Him, and just make pure choices. 27:56 Thank you, guys. Thank you. |
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