Pure Choices

The “Talk”

Three Angels Broadcasting Network

Program transcript

Participants: Brittany Hill-Morales (Host), Dajanae Anderson, Keith Hackle Jr, Sabine Vatel


Series Code: PC

Program Code: PC000134A

00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:03 Parents are cautioned that some material
00:05 may be too candid for younger children.
00:40 Hello. Welcome to Pure Choices.
00:42 My name is Brittany Hill-Morales,
00:43 and I am your host for today's program.
00:45 We are about to talk about a very important topic.
00:49 It's called "The Talk".
00:51 Basically talking about how do you go about
00:53 having the conversations about sex
00:55 in our different levels of cultures and communities,
00:58 but before we jump right into the conversation,
01:01 let's pray.
01:04 Dear kind and most heavenly Father,
01:06 I pray that, Lord, that You will be
01:07 with us right now
01:09 as we are about to have this conversation.
01:10 I pray that You'll also be with the viewers at home
01:12 so that they can also be excited
01:14 but also be informed.
01:16 We love You and we praise Your name,
01:17 in Jesus' name, amen.
01:19 Amen. Amen.
01:20 Amen.
01:21 So as we're about to begin this conversation,
01:23 I have some wonderful guests with me right now.
01:26 Sitting beside me is Mrs. Dajanae Anderson.
01:29 Thank you for being here.
01:31 Over here at the couch,
01:32 we have Keith Hackle and Sabine Vatel.
01:34 Thank you, guys, for being here.
01:36 Good to be here.
01:37 So sexuality, sex,
01:39 talking about these two things that are what most people
01:43 will see as private
01:44 or others might feel as a bit dirty
01:47 or whatever their feelings might be,
01:49 I'm not going to jump into that too much,
01:51 but it's like it's taboo to talk about sex
01:54 in our culture,
01:56 especially in our Christian culture.
01:58 What has been your experience about that?
02:01 I've experienced that it has been taboo
02:03 and a lot of times people don't want to talk
02:06 to young people about it
02:08 because they're afraid that the things
02:10 that they did may come out and the kids may feel
02:13 that they have a license to do certain things
02:15 because their parents did it.
02:17 So let's say, hypothetically speaking,
02:18 if a mother got pregnant
02:21 when she was 14 years old, right so,
02:24 "Mom, how can you tell me," the daughter,
02:26 "How can you tell me not to have sex
02:28 when you had sex?"
02:29 And being honest,
02:30 it wasn't until
02:32 I was driving down the road one day
02:33 and doing the math on my mother's age and my age,
02:35 and I was like,
02:37 "Oh, my mother was actually younger than I thought
02:39 she was when she had me."
02:41 But we've had conversations
02:44 and so that makes the thing a lot easier.
02:47 When you can see my parents haven't always been perfect,
02:50 and actually I began to trust them more
02:52 because they've made mistakes
02:53 and they've been willing to voice the fact
02:55 that they've made mistakes.
02:57 Yes. A similar thing with me.
02:59 My parents had me in their teens,
03:02 in their late teens,
03:03 but in their teens nonetheless and growing up,
03:06 my mother always said...
03:10 You know, I wasn't necessarily raised.
03:12 My mom has some Christian values.
03:14 I don't, you know,
03:15 want to take that from her at all,
03:17 but we didn't necessarily go to church together,
03:19 we didn't necessarily pray together
03:21 in the family and things like that,
03:23 but she always said,
03:24 "If you decide to have sex and get pregnant
03:29 and then you become pregnant as a result of that,
03:32 then you will be taking care of your own child,
03:35 that if you're old enough to have sex,
03:38 you're old enough to raise the child
03:40 because that is the product."
03:43 And then later on
03:44 when I...
03:46 and then I took sex ed and things like that in school
03:48 before I had actual real conversations
03:50 about what sex was, I learned about it in school,
03:55 and then my mother brought me, when I'm in high school now,
03:58 I've already kind of learned some things,
04:01 showed me pictures of STDs and STIs,
04:06 and this is what
04:07 dysfunctional genitalia looks like
04:12 is what my mother did with me,
04:14 but then I also have my grandmother
04:16 who did that and telling me
04:18 these are some of the bad decisions
04:19 that I made in my youth
04:22 and these are the results of it.
04:23 These are some of the negative relationships
04:25 that transpired,
04:28 this is how my children were affected
04:30 by some of the decisions that I was making.
04:32 And so I was able to have
04:35 that conversation with my grandmother
04:38 and you know I was able to talk to my grandmother
04:42 when I had the feelings and the emotions of sexuality
04:46 growing into a woman
04:48 because she was so open with me
04:51 but then told me the negatives,
04:53 even though this is what I did,
04:55 this is what I'm dealing
04:56 with this negative reality as a result.
05:00 You know, I was shown pictures
05:02 but they were cartoons and I was way younger.
05:06 And to me, it was still like a mystery
05:07 of about how they all worked.
05:10 And I know that I have some cousins
05:12 who are as young as, I don't know,
05:14 six year olds, seven year olds who know everything about sex.
05:18 We talk about sex, yes,
05:20 but I think we talk about sex in terms of "don't do it,"
05:23 maybe and so it's still...
05:26 I know in society,
05:27 I mean, you can't sell bread without associated with sex.
05:30 I mean, sex is everywhere around you,
05:32 so the fact that we try to even avoid it
05:34 is kind of weird, but I think we talk about it
05:37 as something that's like "stay away from it,
05:39 don't get into trouble," basically.
05:40 That's true.
05:42 I completely agree.
05:44 And I like how everyone started talking
05:45 about their family.
05:46 It was either,
05:48 you know, mom, grandmother, cousins,
05:50 and the family is usually the first place
05:52 that a child starts understanding
05:53 about sexuality and sex.
05:55 That is their first line of information
05:58 about their bodies
06:00 and what God has designed and created
06:02 and the reality is most parents don't do it.
06:08 They kind of wait until somebody else does it.
06:11 Society, could be the media, as we said it's all over.
06:15 It could be our schools because we believe
06:18 that they might be more informed and educated.
06:21 I remember when I asked my mom a question about ovulation,
06:25 she, I don't know if maybe she felt
06:27 that she didn't have the wisdom enough to tell me,
06:29 but she was like, "Isn't there the internet now?"
06:32 I was like 13 or 12.
06:34 She was like, maybe you should check the internet.
06:35 And that's where she sent me
06:37 because maybe she didn't feel like
06:38 she had enough information, she gave me a book.
06:40 And I believe most parents,
06:44 they may have had the relations of sexuality
06:48 but they do not fully comprehend
06:52 and they might be nervous with it.
06:57 We have our cousins
06:59 who might tell us a little something
07:02 and you're trying to figure out what they are telling you,
07:05 but that means source needs to be the parents.
07:08 So how do parents look at their children?
07:11 You may go a little bit further.
07:13 Your parents...
07:14 You are pregnant...
07:17 Your child is about to come into this world,
07:20 and for me, having a nine month old,
07:23 when do I even do any source of reference
07:26 to sex or sexuality with her.
07:29 I think it will be young.
07:31 I know with my granny,
07:32 she was very aware
07:34 that young children would be molested
07:38 and raped and things like that.
07:39 And so at a young age,
07:41 my granny told me
07:42 what my private areas were and she told me
07:46 that no one should touch them.
07:49 And so at a young age,
07:51 that's the awareness that I had of sexuality
07:56 because in elementary school,
08:00 the people that I went to school with, kindergarten,
08:03 first grade, second grade, and all the way up
08:06 were engaging in sexual activity.
08:09 Kindergarten, first grade, like kindergarten, first grade,
08:14 so you know there was one of my very close friends
08:18 in elementary school,
08:20 she would give oral sex to the other little boys,
08:25 I mean, so I'll go back in my mind
08:27 and I wonder was she molested.
08:29 You know, we are detest,
08:30 I don't know, we're not friends anymore,
08:32 we don't communicate anymore, that was years ago,
08:34 but I look back and I think
08:36 what would make a seven year old
08:40 think about performing oral sex on another seven year old.
08:45 And once again, I look back and I remember,
08:49 she was much more physically developed
08:52 than the rest of us in elementary school.
08:55 So I'm putting things together,
08:58 but I can't know for sure what it was,
09:01 but I knew that she was talking to me
09:04 about how she was giving oral sex
09:07 to the other young kids.
09:09 And I'm pretty sure some parents are listening
09:12 and are alarmed by this.
09:14 And you're impressing on them essentially
09:17 how important it is to...
09:18 I think as early as possible,
09:19 I mean, age-appropriately, obviously.
09:21 I love what you said about pointing out,
09:25 knowing what your body parts are by its name,
09:28 and being able to own that and own your body
09:31 and have that boundary
09:33 I think as early, and bless your mom,
09:34 but not the internet.
09:37 Forget the internet.
09:39 I think it is nerve-racking for parents.
09:40 I could tell my mother,
09:42 she might not say she was nervous,
09:43 I think, and I appreciate the way,
09:46 you know, her want to educate me.
09:47 It is a nerve-racking thing but if you don't do it,
09:50 somebody else is going to
09:52 and do you really want that?
09:53 That's absolutely right. Yeah.
09:54 And the question of how young.
09:57 It was mentioned,
09:59 we're in a different society right now,
10:00 and one thing for me is I think that the church,
10:03 we are often too lax, right?
10:07 So everyone who comes into our doors,
10:09 we believe is a Christian
10:11 and so when they come in, we're embracing them.
10:12 We're like, "Here,
10:14 here are the keys to the church
10:15 and if you want to stay over, then you can stay over."
10:17 And we need to understand that there are some people
10:19 who come in who have bad intentions.
10:21 So even as you have a nine year old...
10:23 I mean, nine month old daughter, right?
10:25 Nine years, not yet.
10:27 You got nine month old daughter,
10:29 so as she gets older when she's able to talk,
10:31 right, there are certain things that you need to...
10:35 This is what we did.
10:36 We taught our children,
10:37 there are certain things that you need to feel
10:39 comfortable saying to us
10:40 because there's going to be individuals
10:42 who are going to come, you might be
10:43 in your Sabbath school classroom,
10:44 you might be at AYS afterwards
10:46 and we don't want you to feel like
10:48 when these things happen, that you're by yourself.
10:51 You also need to use your words.
10:53 So if someone is getting close to,
10:55 if someone's touching you, we've role played.
10:57 We say, "Hey, what would you do,
10:58 you're sitting in a place
10:59 and somebody puts their hand on your knee
11:01 that you don't know, this is a stranger,
11:02 what do you do?"
11:03 And so some kids would just sit there because it's awkward,
11:05 right?
11:06 What do I do? This stranger is touching.
11:08 But, no, you use your words, "Get your hands off of me."
11:11 And if they don't reply or respond to the first,
11:13 then you get louder.
11:15 You make the situation awkward for that person
11:16 because it's already awkward for you
11:18 but we have to give them that license
11:20 to be able to say this is wrong,
11:23 and this should not continue on.
11:25 So as soon as she's able to talk.
11:29 I want to kind of say that it's very crazy
11:33 that we are living in a society
11:35 where these things are a reality
11:39 and it is also sad that most of us as Christians
11:45 are still living in this fantasy world
11:48 that these things are not happening,
11:50 and we do need to start some sort of conversations.
11:52 We're not saying to sit down with...
11:55 You know, my kid is nine month old
11:57 and do a huge spill on bodily changes
12:00 and adolescence and all of that,
12:02 not to have in-depth conversation,
12:04 but to just to try to help our viewers
12:07 actually have some guidelines at...
12:10 may be not at nine months, as she gets little bit older,
12:12 pinpointing at, you know, this is your vagina.
12:15 Have it be the name because molesters do not like
12:19 when you call it what it is
12:21 and it's sad that I have to say this,
12:23 but this is the reality that we live in,
12:26 and we have to have conversations
12:28 about sex and sexuality.
12:30 There's a list of other reasons but one of the reasons
12:32 and it's scary because it's sin
12:35 is we have to protect our children
12:37 because sexuality
12:38 when it's introduced too early to them,
12:42 and when I say introduce
12:43 as in this negative way of someone
12:46 in fake their innocence, it breaks and ruins them.
12:51 I know, for me, when I was about five or six,
12:54 something happened to me.
12:56 I'm still not fully comprehending
12:59 what took place,
13:01 and knowing that kind of went with me,
13:04 I would want to say,
13:06 when I was preadolescence, adolescence,
13:08 not fully understanding my sexuality,
13:10 understanding what I'm feeling because of what happened then,
13:13 and we have to have the conversation.
13:16 And I know, most individuals think,
13:19 "Okay, I'm going to have the conversation
13:21 on the bridal shower
13:25 or I'm going to have the conversation..."
13:28 And there's a different level of conversation
13:30 that happens at bridal showers
13:31 but there needs to be some sort of thing
13:34 that's going on now saying, "This is a vagina"
13:37 so the child can be able to say,
13:38 "Don't touch this."
13:40 Like you were saying,
13:41 "You're touching my knee, stop it.
13:43 It's making me uncomfortable,"
13:44 and then progressing slowly
13:46 and one article I was reading saying,
13:48 also showing certain levels of healthy affection
13:54 for your children to see
13:56 healthy pecks on the cheeks, healthy kisses.
14:00 You don't want to go over the top because again,
14:02 age-appropriate,
14:03 but as we're talking about that early age group,
14:06 just to get those guidance perspectives
14:08 of to healthy displays of affection,
14:11 talk about how...
14:12 As parents.
14:13 As parents, that is you are a woman,
14:16 not woman, you're a girl, you have vagina.
14:18 You're a boy, you have a penis. It's different, it's separate.
14:20 There's nothing that needs to be going on
14:22 with you right now,
14:23 but as you progress forward into it,
14:25 and even preadolescents,
14:27 how do we even have that conversation
14:28 with preadolescents?
14:30 You just nailed it. You just have it.
14:33 If people were listening to us,
14:35 if somebody is a parent or knows a parent,
14:37 if one person as a result of this conversation says,
14:38 "You know what?
14:40 I need to talk to my child."
14:41 I think this program would have done amazing impact
14:45 because I think what you just laid out,
14:46 the case you made for it is so compelling.
14:49 I would say also, as we speak to about sex
14:51 that we remind ourselves
14:54 and also our young ones that sex is a gift.
14:56 I mean, this is something God invented,
14:59 and the devil has mired it with shame and mystery.
15:03 I mean, it should be a mystery.
15:04 I mean, it should be a mystery
15:05 because it is something that is the gift...
15:08 That God reveals to everybody.
15:10 Yes, but the idea that it is a gift,
15:13 that it is a beautiful thing as well too,
15:14 I think, we should highlight that as well.
15:16 Definitely so,
15:18 and I think what I'm hearing
15:21 and what I'm agreeing
15:22 with is that in expressing to an adolescent,
15:28 at least, not even at least,
15:32 but 11, sometime you may want
15:36 to talk to your child younger than 11.
15:38 But 11 like, middle school age,
15:41 you have a 11, 12, 13 year olds,
15:45 I remember once again,
15:47 being in middle school
15:49 and people going to each other's houses
15:53 and because there's one house
15:55 where their parents don't come home
15:56 until a certain time.
15:58 I had to take my behind home,
16:00 you know, I had to go home.
16:01 I could not go hang out at someone's house
16:05 that my parents hadn't talk to their parents first
16:08 to make sure there are parents there.
16:10 I had to go home.
16:12 And so, but my friends that went,
16:15 that were mature,
16:17 many of them did very well in school,
16:20 you know, they were on sports teams
16:23 and things like that,
16:25 they would participate in sexual activities there,
16:31 and that's what everybody knew what was going to happen
16:34 because my body is starting to change.
16:38 At 11, 12, 13, my body is starting to change
16:43 and I'm interested,
16:46 I have this chemistry with this person,
16:48 so let's go explore.
16:50 And you go and explore and you allow
16:53 that other child to introduce your child
16:57 to what sexual intimacy is.
17:00 So why not let them know they are,
17:03 you know, you're already,
17:05 I believe, sex ed takes place in middle school,
17:08 and I think there has been conversations
17:09 about sex ed taking place
17:11 even earlier than that, and it's appropriate.
17:16 Once again, I remember,
17:18 I remember being in daycare in elementary school
17:24 and looking over into the window next to me
17:27 which had...
17:29 So I was in elementary school and there were...
17:32 Maybe I was like in the fifth grade,
17:34 so I was in the older kids' class,
17:36 looking over into the younger kids' class,
17:38 maybe like three year olds, the three, four year olds,
17:42 and there was one little girl
17:45 kind of...
17:50 "I'm too much." Yeah, too much.
17:52 I was trying to help you there.
17:54 I'm coming back, I'm coming back.
17:55 So the point is that it is important
17:59 to not only tell your children about sexuality
18:03 from these are the negative things
18:05 that can happen,
18:06 but talking to your children
18:08 about the natural things of life
18:11 and different emotions that you're going to feel
18:14 and how to deal with those emotions
18:16 and understanding that as you get older
18:19 and when the Lord allows you to get married,
18:22 then the coming together
18:25 of these emotions that you had,
18:28 you'll be able to fully express
18:30 and that it's a beautiful thing,
18:32 so to allow your children
18:33 to have something to look forward to.
18:36 When I'm an adult,
18:37 this is something that I get to participate in.
18:39 It's something to look forward to.
18:42 And so yeah, that's...
18:44 I'm glad that we talked about the parents' responsibility
18:46 when it comes to engaging in sexual conversations
18:49 with their children.
18:51 It keeps on going into teenage years.
18:55 It keeps on going into when you are an adult,
18:58 young adult and even older.
19:00 This is something that parents
19:02 need to take the responsibility for
19:04 and have that conversation.
19:05 But there's another area,
19:07 another society that needs to take responsibility
19:10 and have conversation and that is our churches.
19:12 Yes, yes.
19:13 Our churches need to talk about sex and sexuality,
19:18 not to take over for the parents
19:20 but to complement the parents.
19:23 It needs to be something that's preached
19:25 from the pulpit
19:26 in a sophisticated and healthy fashion,
19:29 highlighting the spiritual and the moral issues,
19:32 and the beauty, not in a condemning way,
19:33 but highlighting
19:35 what is beautiful about sexuality,
19:37 about what's happening in our bodies,
19:39 about what's happening
19:40 different things like reproductive process
19:42 and all these different things.
19:45 I remember a story of one of my professor
19:48 saying at 14 years old, she didn't understand that,
19:51 you know, sex led to having children.
19:54 She thought it was kissing and that's one of the things
19:57 that we're not addressing in a sophisticated fashion,
20:01 so maybe just to talk about a little bit,
20:02 how in our churches should we talk about sexuality?
20:06 Because even in our church,
20:08 we don't even want to read Song of Solomon,
20:10 how do we have that conversation in churches?
20:12 Is it for only AY?
20:14 Should it be in the divine service?
20:16 How do we do it for Sabbath school?
20:17 Well, you know, you talk about churches
20:19 and the reality of the society
20:20 that we live in is that of more than
20:23 any other time in our society,
20:26 more people are actually single
20:29 and more people are not married,
20:30 and when the church speaks about sex,
20:34 it has to be in that reality as well too,
20:37 recognizing that not everybody's married.
20:39 And this idea of abstinence
20:41 and, of course, abstinence refers
20:43 to abstinence of drink,
20:44 of anything that you're supposed
20:46 to stop doing...
20:48 And go a step further and not just don't do it
20:50 but do it in the context where it was meant for.
20:54 And there is a very old fashion word
20:56 that we don't hear about chastity.
20:58 You know, being chaste, and which basically means
21:01 that you reserve this act of sexuality
21:03 within the context of what God has created it for,
21:06 and if we can talk about that
21:08 as part of the Christian life,
21:11 this idea of being chaste,
21:14 I think that's how we do it
21:15 that God has a bigger plan for sex than even you do.
21:19 And so I think it's all of the above,
21:21 Sabbath school, divine work, and AY.
21:25 And so, and we've had this talk at my church,
21:29 and sometimes it makes the parents uncomfortable.
21:31 So what I'll do is I'll send a message.
21:33 I'll say this is what
21:34 I'm talking about so be ready,
21:35 you may want to have that conversation
21:37 with them before you get here
21:38 because they're going to hear some things.
21:40 But I am of the mindset
21:43 that you're never too early to have this talk.
21:47 I mean, a lot of times,
21:49 I think statistics show
21:51 that the individuals who are molested
21:53 is not someone that you don't know,
21:55 is not someone that you've never met before,
21:57 it's individuals close to home.
21:59 So in my home,
22:00 what we did was we started having this conversation
22:02 whenever our children were going
22:04 to be out of our line of sight,
22:06 whenever they were going to be with someone,
22:08 so even when it comes
22:09 to someone changing your diaper or taking you to the bathroom,
22:13 certain individuals were allowed
22:14 to take our kids to the bathroom.
22:16 And so when they take you, did they help you wipe?
22:20 I mean, we're having these conversations
22:22 because it starts there.
22:24 And so we need to understand that and really as a church,
22:27 be willing to stand up there and say,
22:29 "Listen, we're having this discussion
22:31 not because we're trying to grose you out,
22:33 we're having this discussion
22:34 because we want you to remain safe.
22:36 We want you to be educated.
22:38 We want you to know what danger looks like,
22:40 and we want you to feel comfortable
22:42 having this conversation with us."
22:44 There's nothing like having that conversation
22:46 on the backend and then you're finding out
22:49 that this child has been molested multiple times
22:51 because you haven't had that conversation.
22:53 So this is protection to parents.
22:55 They need to know this is an opportunity to help
22:57 your kids remain safe.
22:59 And if that's your child,
23:01 there's nothing wrong with telling them
23:03 to remain safe and to know the limits up
23:06 to where someone is able to go, so.
23:09 Yeah.
23:11 And, you know, speaking to a friend
23:13 who's not churched and, you know, in his mind,
23:17 you know, it's very important for us to,
23:20 and I don't want to deviate too much from the topic
23:22 that we don't protect the perpetrator.
23:25 And again, I don't think it's out of the realm
23:27 of our boundaries
23:28 to be able to have those safety talk
23:31 and being safe as well too.
23:33 But you know, when we talk about sexuality,
23:37 you know, my deep prayer is that
23:39 it would be within context because sometimes,
23:41 you know, as preachers,
23:43 we'll talk about sex but in isolation basically
23:46 and it can be very salacious like,
23:48 "Oh! you know," and even in the title,
23:50 but I would hope that it's part of,
23:51 as part of discipleship, as part of a journey,
23:54 not just again that sex is something
23:56 you don't do because you're Christian
23:57 but as part of being a follower of Jesus,
24:01 you know, being a believer,
24:03 this is part of the discipline
24:06 and the practice of being a Christian
24:08 is this idea of, you know what?
24:10 I'm going to abstain and honor marriage in that way.
24:14 Right, right.
24:16 And also on top of talking about sexuality,
24:18 there are...
24:19 I think, we kind of talked about it already
24:21 but in development,
24:23 and so my body physically starts to change
24:27 as I get older and mom, dad,
24:30 grandma, grandpa, or guardian,
24:33 if you haven't told me about it,
24:35 then I'm naturally going to be curious
24:38 or I'm going to think something is wrong with me.
24:41 Maybe the other kids at school are developing in ways
24:44 that I'm not developing.
24:46 You know, is there something wrong?
24:48 And I may be afraid to ask you the question.
24:52 And so like having, once again having that conversation
24:55 about the beauty of the body
24:57 and how God made the body and why,
25:00 you know, certain things haven't developed yet.
25:02 Because they serve a particular purpose
25:04 that you are not yet to fulfill,
25:06 and so definitely,
25:10 but looking forward to the time
25:12 when, you know, those things will develop
25:15 and I will fulfill
25:16 and that's for males and females,
25:18 there are some physiological things
25:21 that change as a result
25:24 to when it's about time to have children,
25:29 to get married, and things like that so...
25:33 I would probably also add that even for adults,
25:36 there are bodily changes that are happening.
25:37 Yes, yes, yes.
25:39 And we don't talk about it as you're getting older
25:41 and you're becoming adults,
25:44 that kind of goes into a question
25:45 like how do seniors adults talk about sexuality
25:48 in a healthy way?
25:50 We're kind of modeling it right
25:51 now understanding
25:53 what is appropriate and what's inappropriate,
25:56 basically focusing on what main topic should be
25:59 but going into a little bit deeper,
26:00 what should we discuss as adults
26:04 about sexuality?
26:05 What's inappropriate? Yeah.
26:06 Well, you know, I think...
26:08 You know, I think the tendency is to think
26:10 that that subject is dead after a certain age,
26:13 you know, something or maybe we don't talk
26:15 about it because,
26:16 you know, my grandmother when she was alive,
26:18 and the seniors that I've met,
26:20 you know, they've made me blush,
26:21 I mean, of sexuality.
26:23 But I think, our mistake as the young ones,
26:26 is that somehow,
26:28 there's an expiration date
26:29 to they remain to be sexual beings in life.
26:33 They probably could teach us a few things out really.
26:35 Right. Yeah, absolutely right.
26:36 And that's what I believe men's ministry
26:38 and women's ministry is for.
26:40 It's not just about events
26:41 but it's having these conversations,
26:43 you know, and we've had
26:44 some difficult conversations for men
26:46 in our men's group.
26:47 What do you do
26:49 when you're getting older and things aren't working
26:50 the way they used to,
26:52 how do you deal with that thing?
26:53 And so it takes, again, the church coming together,
26:58 us being honest and being transparent,
27:00 and definitely parents need to take that time out
27:03 to talk to your kids.
27:05 They may feel like you're grossing them out
27:06 but if it makes them, protects them,
27:08 I'm sure they'll appreciate it in the long run.
27:11 Definitely, definitely.
27:12 I believe that we're all saying
27:14 that conversations need to be taking place.
27:16 It shouldn't be something that's not happening.
27:18 We need to have the conversation
27:20 because it is important.
27:22 No matter how awkward.
27:24 No matter how awkward it is, it is essential for our safety,
27:27 and for us to also build our relationship with God.
27:29 If we understand
27:30 what should be happening from this body
27:32 that God has created, how do we serve Him?
27:35 It helps.
27:36 And the scripture talks about that it's God's will
27:38 that you should be sanctified,
27:39 that you should avoid sexual immorality,
27:42 that each of you shall learn to control your body
27:45 in a way that is holy and honorable.
27:48 That happens with conversation, not only with ourselves,
27:50 amongst ourselves but also with God.
27:52 So as you go out and you go forward
27:55 with your daily lives,
27:56 He wants you to be able to remember
27:58 to make pure choices.
27:59 Yes.


Revised 2017-08-20