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The Dragon And The Woman

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Participants: Jac Colon

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00:19 It was just three weeks before our 27th wedding anniversary
00:25 that was eight years ago
00:28 and in six days we will be celebrating Dena's birthday
00:33 five days my birthday and four days we were scheduled
00:38 to leave for a deluxe luxury vacation
00:42 in Cozumel, Mexico to celebrate it all.
00:46 I had two frequent flyer tickets,
00:49 that's about the only way we can afford to travel like that
00:52 and my father-in-law had a time share
00:55 which he didn't use that year.
00:56 He gave it to us and we booked one week in a luxury resort
01:01 on the southern tip of Cozumel just minutes
01:04 from some of the finest scuba diving in the world.
01:07 It's like going to Mecca, it doesn't get any better
01:10 than that beside a heaven.
01:14 It was Wednesday four days before we are going to leave,
01:17 and then to top it all off just shortly after we got back home
01:21 we are off to Bozeman, Montana to do a Revelation Now meeting.
01:24 Montana one of our favorite places to go.
01:27 Bozeman is at the top of the list.
01:29 So, I mean it doesn't get any better than this.
01:31 We were riding on the crust of the waves, celebrating it all.
01:35 We stopped at the dive shop to pick up our equipment,
01:38 we had taken in, they get cleaned and checked out.
01:41 And on the way back home we had a quick stop
01:43 to make at the doctors office
01:45 because Dena had a little simple procedure done on her neck
01:49 and she need to get some stitches out,
01:51 but the doctor said don't worry those stitches
01:53 aren't going to stop her from being able to dive.
01:56 So we are sitting there in the doctor's office waiting,
01:59 he comes in with the clipboard in his hand.
02:02 Looking down at the floor,
02:04 not even looking at us in the eye,
02:06 shaking his head saying I'm sorry,
02:14 I was wrong but Dena has cancer.
02:22 It's non-Hodgkin's lymphoma
02:28 and he said the good news is
02:29 that if you are going to get a cancer,
02:31 this is the one that you want to get.
02:35 We caught it early stage one and we can cure it, it's curable.
02:45 I said, well, we are going to Cozumel, Mexico four days.
02:54 He said, well you really need to stay home
02:56 and get started with the testing, you shouldn't go.
03:03 But in a couple of weeks we are going to Bozeman, Montana
03:07 to do a Revelation Now meeting
03:09 and she is going to be gone for four weeks, five weeks.
03:14 She is not going to be able to go.
03:18 She needs to stay and start her treatment.
03:20 We caught it early but we need to start the treatment.
03:27 And instantly our whole world was totally changed.
03:35 Cancelled the vacation, booked a couple of nights
03:39 in a little motel, just outside of
03:41 Mount Rainier in Packwood, Washington.
03:44 Dena loves that mountain and we just needed some time
03:49 to talk about it, process, what are we going to do now?
03:57 And one of the things I have to deal with was why.
04:05 Why did God lead Dena get cancer?
04:14 She spent her whole life serving Him.
04:18 We have spent 27 years on the road living in RVs
04:23 and sometimes dismal motels, jungle huts,
04:26 unbearable heat, humidity, mosquitoes fighting amoebas
04:31 and all other kinds of diseases
04:33 nearly dying in the jungles, why Dena?
04:38 Why does God let bad things happen to good people?
04:41 It's not that we are so good but at least we are trying,
04:44 a lot of people aren't even trying.
04:47 And they seem to get a free ride.
04:51 But I didn't give up my faith.
04:53 I read that text in James over and over again.
04:56 If anyone is sick, let him call the elders
04:58 anoint him with oil and pray and God will heal
05:01 and I believe that, I clung to that promise
05:04 and so we got home.
05:05 I called all my pastor friends, and I said, look,
05:07 you guys need to come over to our house
05:09 and we need to do it now.
05:10 Because they are going to start the testing
05:12 and I wanted to have that prayer first
05:14 because I knew that God would answer that prayer
05:17 and when the doctors did their testing
05:19 the results would come back and it would be clean,
05:21 there would be no problems.
05:23 So we came together, they anointed her with oil,
05:25 we prayed and went to begin the testing
05:29 and the results came back we were wrong.
05:31 I knew it, it's not stage one,
05:37 it's stage four and there is no cure
05:44 and there is no treatment.
05:46 Radiation won't work because it's widespread,
05:49 it's in her bones now.
05:51 There is no chemo that will cover it,
05:52 so there is a new drug it's called Rituxan,
05:57 you may want to try it but we don't have
05:58 a lot of information on it yet. Why?
06:07 Why does God let bad things happen to good people?
06:16 So open your Bibles, Revelation 12:17.
06:21 "The dragon was angry at the woman and he went off
06:25 to make war against the rest of her offspring,
06:29 those who obey God's commandments
06:31 and hold to the testimony of Jesus."
06:34 The dragon is at war against those who want to be obedient
06:41 to the commandments of God
06:43 and cling to the cross of Jesus Christ.
06:46 The reason that bad things happen to good people
06:51 is because the dragon is attacking
06:54 those who want to be good people.
06:59 Don't miss the connection here.
07:03 The dragon is at war
07:04 with the last of God's people on this earth.
07:08 This is the final chapter,
07:10 the final unfolding of this battle between good and evil.
07:15 And notice again, don't miss this.
07:17 He is at war with those who want to obey God's commandments
07:23 and cling to the testimony of Jesus.
07:26 There is something about the commandments of God
07:29 that arouses the wrath of the dragon
07:33 that he turns against them and those who want to obey them.
07:41 That's the reason that bad things happen to good people,
07:46 it's because the dragon is at war
07:48 with those who want to be good people.
07:52 But that doesn't answer the question
07:54 as to why does God allow it.
07:57 He could prevent the dragon from attacking the people of God.
08:02 He could put a hedge around everyone who wants to be good
08:06 and do right and say dragon, you can't get through the hedge.
08:11 So why does God allow it and in order to answer that question
08:16 we are going to have to go a lot deeper into the Bible,
08:18 I hope you did your homework and you read the Revelation 12
08:22 because we are going to go deep into the word of God.
08:24 Fasten your seatbelts, hold down for dear life.
08:26 Start with Chapter 12:1
08:29 "A great and wonderful sign appeared in heaven,
08:34 a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet,
08:37 a crown of twelve stars on her head,
08:39 she was pregnant, cried out in pain
08:42 as she was about to give birth.
08:44 And then another sign appeared in heaven,
08:47 an enormous red dragon with seven heads,
08:50 ten horns, seven crowns on his heads.
08:53 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky
08:57 and flung them down to the earth.
09:02 The dragon stood in front of the woman
09:04 who was about to give birth,
09:05 so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.
09:10 She gave birth to a son, a male child,
09:14 who would rule all the nations with an iron scepter.
09:18 And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne."
09:22 Three characters in this prophecy,
09:25 a dragon, a woman and a male child her son.
09:31 And we need to identify all three of those characters
09:35 if we're ever going to understand Revelation
09:38 because they are central to the Book of Revelation.
09:42 Now, I could tell you right now who they are,
09:45 but remember our principles of interpretation.
09:48 So let's review our three keys.
09:50 Number one, the Book of Revelation begins
09:53 with the words the Revelation of whom? Jesus Christ.
09:57 So all the prophecies must centre in
10:00 and focus on Jesus Christ, that's number one.
10:04 Number two the Book or Revelation quotes or alludes
10:07 to the Old Testament in the Bible over how many times?
10:12 You got it, 600 times.
10:14 So that means we have to have a foundation in the Old Testament
10:18 before we can ever understand Revelation.
10:21 You are going to see that one just loud and clear.
10:24 And then number three.
10:27 No private interpretation will do.
10:29 But we know, we want to know the interpretation
10:32 that God intended for us to have.
10:34 And the only way we can do that
10:36 is to let scripture interpret itself.
10:41 So how do you let the scripture interpret itself, tell me?
10:47 Compare scripture with scripture,
10:50 find places in the Bible that talk about those same things
10:54 and line them all up
10:55 and they will all point to the solution
10:58 that is Jesus Christ.
11:01 Now, the fourth key and we will find that again in Revelation 1
11:08 the first few verses look at it with me.
11:10 Verse 1, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ,
11:12 which God gave him to show his servants
11:15 what must soon take place.
11:17 He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
11:22 who testified to everything that he saw."
11:24 Now the words he made it known in Greek actually mean
11:29 that he signified it,
11:31 that's the way the King James translates it,
11:33 but actual Greek means he symbolized it.
11:37 So the Book of Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus
11:41 which is to show us what must soon take place to signify
11:46 or to symbolize what may soon take place.
11:49 So the Book of Revelation predicts the future
11:52 but it does it by using symbols,
11:55 that means number four
11:57 that in order to understand Revelation,
11:59 you have to recognize, it is a symbolic book
12:04 and you have to interpret the symbols
12:08 and not try to understand it literally.
12:12 What do I mean by that?
12:13 Well for example in the chapter we are studying right now
12:16 in Revelation 12, we discover a great red dragon in the heavens.
12:21 Well, literally that would mean that one day you would walk
12:25 outside of your house, look up into the sky
12:27 and see a big red dragon floating around
12:30 with seven heads and ten horns.
12:32 But, you are never going to look up into the sky
12:35 and see a big red dragon because it is a symbol,
12:38 not a literal description of what's going to happen.
12:40 Are you following me on that?
12:42 All right, so it's symbolic.
12:44 Now how do you interpret the symbols
12:46 because in order to get Revelation
12:48 you have to break the code and interpret the symbols,
12:51 how do you do it and know you are doing it right.
12:53 Number three, no private interpretation,
12:56 compare scripture with scripture.
12:59 Now, let's put those four keys to work
13:01 and you are going to see how powerful it is
13:04 a tool to help you understand the Book of Revelation.
13:07 I'm going to start with the easiest of the three,
13:09 the easiest one is the dragon.
13:12 Now, I could tell you the dragon symbolizes the devil
13:17 and you could believe that
13:19 or you could choose not to believe that.
13:23 Because that's just me talking
13:25 and you don't have to believe every man,
13:27 it's dangerous to follow a man.
13:31 So instead of just believing what I say,
13:32 let's compare scripture with scripture.
13:34 Easy to do, you are not to go very far,
13:36 just turn to verse 9.
13:38 "The great dragon was hurled down that ancient serpent
13:41 called the devil, or Satan."
13:44 Now The Bible says the dragon is a symbol for Satan,
13:47 therefore you have to believe that
13:50 if you want to believe the Bible, see how easy it is.
13:55 Let scripture interpret scripture.
13:57 Now that was an easy one,
13:58 you probably knew that already before we did it.
14:01 Let's turn to one that's a little more difficult
14:04 and that's the child, the male child.
14:08 I see four identifying marks, first of all it's a male, a son.
14:14 The second one, the dragon trying to devour this child
14:17 the moment he was born and on the third one
14:20 he was snatched up to God and to his throne
14:23 and the fourth one is that he would rule all the nations
14:28 with an iron rod like the King James says
14:30 or a iron scepter in the NIV.
14:33 Four identifying marks.
14:35 Now I believe that that male child is Jesus Christ.
14:41 Jesus is the center of all the prophecies.
14:45 But you see you don't have to believe that
14:46 because that just me telling you my interpretation.
14:50 A lot of people teach that it cannot be Jesus Christ
14:54 because the Bible says he rules with an iron rod
14:57 and Jesus wouldn't rule with an iron rod,
15:00 He rules with love.
15:02 Well that makes sense?
15:05 But does it square up with the scripture.
15:08 That's the question, does it square up with the scripture.
15:11 So let's identify who is this child.
15:14 This male child, it says he was male,
15:17 Jesus was a male, that one fits.
15:20 Says the dragon try to devour him the moment he was born.
15:24 The dragon is the devil, we have already identified that Satan,
15:28 he try to devour this child.
15:30 Now, remember the dragon is Satan,
15:32 but Satan never works as Satan.
15:36 He never works as the devil.
15:39 He doesn't go running around in those little red jumpsuits,
15:42 two horns on his head long tail arrow on end,
15:44 pitchfork in his hand.
15:47 He appears masqueraded as an angel of light.
15:53 He works through human instruments.
15:56 This time the Pagan Roman King Herod,
16:03 the Roman King Herod.
16:05 Remember when he discovered that the child was born
16:08 issued a decree in the Book of Matthew 2
16:11 that all baby boys under the age of two would be put to death
16:14 trying to devour that child the moment it was born.
16:18 So the male child fits the dragon
16:20 trying to devour him fits.
16:24 He was snatched up to God and to his throne that one fits
16:27 because Jesus was caught up to God and to his throne, amen.
16:32 But what about that iron rod,
16:35 it says he will rule the nations with an iron rod.
16:38 Hold your place, turn to Revelation 19:11.
16:45 "I saw heaven standing open
16:47 and there before me was a white horse,
16:49 whose rider is called Faithful and True.
16:52 With justice he judges and makes war.
16:54 His eyes are like blazing fire,
16:56 and on his head are many crowns.
16:58 He has a name written on him
16:59 that no one but he himself knows.
17:01 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood,
17:03 and his name is the Word of God."
17:05 Who is that? Jesus Christ.
17:08 And just in case you are not sure, look at verse 16.
17:11 "On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
17:15 King of kings and Lord of lords."
17:18 That's Jesus Christ, amen.
17:20 The rider on the white horse is Jesus Christ
17:23 but watch I skipped verse 15, verse 15 says,
17:26 "Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword
17:29 with which to strike down the nations
17:31 and He will rule them with an iron scepter."
17:37 So Jesus does rule with an iron scepter.
17:40 What does that mean?
17:42 The only way to really understand that is to go back
17:44 because it's quoting the Old Testament,
17:46 that's right, quoting Old Testament,
17:48 Psalm 2 in the 2 Psalm which is a song that was written
17:56 anticipating that the Messiah was going to come
18:00 and they would sing this song looking forward
18:03 to the appearance of the Messiah.
18:06 And listen to what it says in Psalm 2:7 He said to me,
18:12 "You are my Son today I have become your Father.
18:15 Ask with me, and I will make the nations your inheritance,
18:18 the ends of the earth your possession.
18:19 "Now watch, you will rule them with an iron scepter
18:23 and you will dash them to pieces like pottery.
18:28 So Jesus does rule with an iron scepter,
18:31 He smashes the nations to pieces like pottery
18:34 and furthermore we saw that remember
18:36 Nebuchadnezzar's image representing
18:38 the nations of the world was smashed to pieces
18:41 by the stone symbolizing Jesus Christ
18:45 when He comes to establish God's kingdom for ever.
18:48 So all of the identifying marks match up
18:51 when you compare scripture with scripture,
18:53 you cannot escape the conclusion that that male child that son,
18:58 that the woman bore is Jesus Christ, amen.
19:02 And he takes his place in the center of the prophecy
19:07 just like we saw in our principles of Revelation.
19:10 Now, we have come to the third one, that's the woman.
19:14 I saved it till last because the woman
19:17 is the most difficult to understand.
19:22 Woman usually difficult to understand at least for us men,
19:27 I mean you may understand each other but--
19:31 My wife keeps telling me I shouldn't say that
19:33 it's not politically correct any more,
19:36 may not be, it's still true.
19:42 Who is the woman?
19:43 There is a clue right here in this chapter, verse 9.
19:49 "The great dragon was hurled down that ancient serpent
19:54 called the devil, or Satan,
19:58 who leads the whole world astray.
20:00 He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him."
20:02 So, the dragon was hurled down, who is the dragon?
20:05 That ancient serpent called the devil of Satan.
20:09 So you tell me now, where in the Bible can you find a story
20:14 about a ancient serpent and the woman.
20:19 Right, Genesis 3, so let's go there, Genesis 3.
20:26 You see the last Bible book point us
20:28 all the way back to the first Bible book.
20:30 You can't understand Revelation without the Old Testament,
20:34 Genesis 3, here is the setting. Genesis 3.
20:40 God have just created the world,
20:43 garden, beautiful Garden of Eden,
20:46 put the man and woman in the garden and he told them
20:49 I have given you all these trees,
20:52 all these trees and you can eat all of them
20:55 except for that one tree right in the middle of the garden.
20:58 If you eat from that one you are going to die.
21:05 Now is there anything complicated about that.
21:10 Is that hard to understand?
21:13 You can eat from any tree except that one.
21:15 If you eat from that one,
21:16 you are going to die, crystal clear.
21:18 God is always crystal clear.
21:20 People ask me, why does God make things so confusing?
21:23 He doesn't. He made it clear.
21:28 Now, the serpent comes along and he says
21:31 to the woman in Chapter 3:1.
21:34 "Did God really say,
21:36 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
21:40 And the woman said, verse 3, "God did say,
21:44 'You must not eat fruit from the tree
21:46 that is in the middle of the garden,
21:49 and if you do you will die.''
21:54 And the serpent said, you won't die.
22:01 But your eyes will be opened
22:04 and you will be like God knowing good from evil.
22:11 Now, I want to stop here for a second,
22:13 because these verses are loaded
22:16 and packed with profound thoughts
22:21 that we need to understand.
22:25 How did Adam and Eve know
22:28 that if they would eat from that tree, they would die?
22:34 Did they do a scientific analysis of the fruit
22:38 and discover it was poisonous?
22:41 No, how did they know because God said,
22:46 if you eat it you are going to die.
22:49 You see the way they knew
22:51 good from evil was to trust what God said.
22:57 It's simple but you have to trust God.
23:04 In other words please get this,
23:07 in other words there was an external standard
23:13 of absolute right and wrong.
23:18 It was not within them but it was within God.
23:23 God was the one who defined and decided
23:27 what is right and what is wrong.
23:29 It is an absolute standard of truth
23:33 and that truth is outside of us, it's in God.
23:37 And the only way we can know what's right or wrong
23:40 or good or best is to trust God's work.
23:44 That's all that Adam and Eve had to do,
23:46 but watch what happened.
23:49 She got up to the tree.
23:51 Have you ever wondered?
23:52 Why did God put that tree there?
23:56 You ever wondered that?
23:57 Wouldn't it been better
23:58 if he just said eat any tree you want.
24:01 Why did He put that tree there?
24:02 So she went up to the tree and that was her first mistake.
24:07 If God says that something isn't good,
24:10 we should get as far away from it as we can,
24:12 not try to get as close as we can to it.
24:16 What was she doing under the tree?
24:18 If she would have stayed away,
24:19 we wouldn't be in this mess we are in today.
24:22 But she is under the tree
24:23 so that gave the dragon an opportunity.
24:25 He appears as a serpent, a beautiful serpent.
24:29 He was beautiful then, and he said to the woman.
24:31 Did God say, if you eat the fruit you are going to die?
24:33 You won't die, you won't, you eat it you'd be like God,
24:38 you know good from evil yourself.
24:41 You see you won't need God to tell you what is right or wrong,
24:43 you can decide just like He does.
24:46 You will be like God.
24:50 Now watch this, verse 6.
24:54 "When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree
24:56 was good for food and pleasing to the eye,
24:59 and desirable for gaining wisdom,
25:01 she took some and ate it.
25:04 How did she decide that it was okay to eat?
25:12 She listened to the serpent, she looked at it,
25:16 it looked desirable, it seemed good.
25:22 So instead of relying on what God said
25:25 to know right and wrong,
25:26 she relied on her own human perceptions
25:30 to do what seemed like the right thing to her.
25:37 This was a huge, what we call paradigm shift
25:42 from the paradigm of an external absolute truth in God
25:47 to an internal deciding for yourself what seems to be right
25:52 and good and best to you.
25:56 Can you see what we are doing here,
25:58 can you see what she did here.
26:01 And if you understand that shift,
26:03 then you can begin to understand
26:05 what's happening in this whole world today.
26:09 I couldn't help it, jot this down
26:13 I was watching O'Reilly factor one time
26:17 and he was interviewing Dan Rather,
26:19 a noted news man.
26:21 Dan Rather said I think you can be an honest person
26:24 and lie about any number of things.
26:29 See that's exactly what we are talking about.
26:32 The question isn't what is right and wrong.
26:35 The question is what seems right or wrong to you is okay,
26:39 if it seems right do it.
26:40 If it seems wrong don't do it, not what is right
26:43 because what is right is what God says.
26:46 I remember one time when a president of the United States
26:49 found himself in difficulty and he was being challenged
26:52 that he had done something wrong
26:54 and another person said he had done it.
26:56 He said he didn't and he was about to be impeach for it
27:00 and they were had him on Sam and Cokie,
27:02 Sam Donaldson and Cokie Roberts in news interviews.
27:05 Some of you may remember them
27:07 and they were interviewing him and Cokie Roberts asked
27:11 not the president but his chief council was there
27:14 and asked it now.
27:15 Now she said he did and he said he didn't,
27:18 one of them has to be lying, right?
27:22 And the chief attorney to the president
27:23 of the Untied States said no.
27:26 And Cokie Roberts said ha.
27:30 I mean she said he did,
27:31 he said he didn't and one of them is not lying.
27:36 Even now school children know
27:38 that somebody has to be lying here,
27:41 what are we teaching our children, good question.
27:46 But, finally Susan Page who is the editor of USA Today
27:51 after they had been debating back and forth,
27:53 you know what the president should do.
27:55 Susan Page said, well in the end he is going to have to do
27:59 what seems right to him.
28:05 Wrong what she should have said was in the end,
28:11 he is going to have to do what is right.
28:19 Its not what seems right that's right is what is right,
28:22 that's right and what is right
28:24 is what comes from the word of God.
28:29 And that's what happened in the Garden of Eden
28:31 and that's the battle it unfolds in the last days.
28:36 It's over the difference between what is right
28:38 and what seems right
28:39 and that's why he attacks those who want to be
28:41 obedient to God's commands.
28:43 Are you beginning to put it all together?
28:46 So now what is God going to do.
28:48 He's got a problem, He said if you eat the fruit,
28:50 you are going to die.
28:53 And they ate the fruit but He doesn't want them to die,
28:55 He loves them but how can He be telling the truth
28:59 when He says if you eat the fruit,
29:00 you're gonna die and allow them to live.
29:03 You see that was God's dilemma.
29:06 Well, He had a solution and we find it in verse 15.
29:10 He tells the serpent,
29:14 I will put enmity that means conflict, war.
29:17 "I will put enmity between you and the woman,
29:21 and between your offspring and hers
29:24 and he will crush your head, but you will strike his heel."
29:31 Now what is he talking about here,
29:32 he is talking to a serpent
29:33 and offspring of the serpent
29:35 that they would bite the heel of the offspring of the woman
29:38 but that wouldn't be the end
29:39 because the offspring of the woman
29:40 is going to crush his head.
29:44 And he is not talking about little baby snakes
29:46 running around on the ground
29:47 when he says offspring of the serpent.
29:50 The serpent is the devil offspring of the serpent
29:53 is those who choose to follow the devil.
29:56 Who is the offspring of the woman?
29:58 Who is the woman?
30:00 The woman's offspring is the one who delivers
30:03 the deathblow to the head of the serpent
30:06 and therefore this prophecy is telling us
30:12 that there will be a conflict between
30:14 those who follow Satan and those to who choose
30:16 to follow God or Jesus Christ
30:19 and Jesus is going to get a bite on the heel,
30:21 He died on the cross but praise the Lord.
30:23 Three days later he was raised up again
30:25 and caught up to the throne of God.
30:27 One of these days, He is going to comeback
30:29 and deliver the deathblow to crush the head of the serpent.
30:35 Now, listen to me all the rest of the Bible
30:38 from Genesis to Revelation is unpacking this one prophecy,
30:45 this is the first prophecy in the Bible
30:48 and all the rest of the Bible is unpacking this one prophecy,
30:51 how is the seed of the woman going to deliver
30:55 the death blow to the head of the serpent.
30:58 And we find it bringing it to its exciting climax
31:03 in Revelation 12:17.
31:06 "The dragon was angry at the woman and he went off
31:10 to make war against the remnant
31:12 are the last of her offspring on this earth,
31:15 those who obey God's commandment
31:17 and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
31:21 All the rest of the Bible is unpacking that prophecy
31:25 that began in Genesis 3:15.
31:30 In order to fully understand this prophecy,
31:33 we have to know a little more.
31:36 We have to know the issues that were involved.
31:38 The Bible tells us verse 7.
31:40 "There was war in heaven,
31:41 Michael and his angels fought against the dragon,
31:43 the dragon fought back he was not strong enough,
31:45 they lost their place in haven.
31:47 The great dragon was hurled down that ancient serpent
31:49 called the devil, or Satan, he leads the whole world astray.
31:52 He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him."
31:54 Don't be afraid of the bad spirits
31:56 because for every demon spirit,
31:58 God has two good ones.
31:59 His tail only swept the third of the stars down from the sky,
32:03 there are two thirds left.
32:06 But, why, what was this war about in heaven?
32:10 What were they fighting over?
32:11 What was the issue?
32:13 The Revelation doesn't clearly tell us here
32:16 but the Old Testament does.
32:19 Isaiah 14, open your Bibles now to Isaiah 14
32:26 and we will discover, verse 12.
32:29 "How you have fallen from heaven,
32:31 O morning star, Lucifer son of the dawn.
32:36 You have been cast down to the earth,
32:39 you who once laid low the nations."
32:40 Doesn't that sound like Revelation, see.
32:43 He was hurled down to the earth,
32:44 he was in heaven hurled down to the earth.
32:47 Why? Here it is verse 13.
32:50 "Because You said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven.
32:54 I will raise my throne above the stars of God.
32:58 I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
33:00 on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.
33:02 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds,
33:04 I will make myself like the Most High."
33:08 Somebody said the only thing wrong
33:09 with that Lucifer was he had eye problems.
33:13 See God created this perfect angel,
33:17 he spent a little too much time one day looking in the mirror
33:20 and then going to take credit for all the beauty
33:22 and all the wisdom that he had to himself
33:24 and rebelled against God.
33:27 Now, what was the issue? What was going on here?
33:29 I'll raise my throne above the stars of God.
33:34 I will sit in throne.
33:36 Now, the throne is the seat of government
33:41 and the heart of every government is its law.
33:48 So, Lucifer was challenging God's government,
33:52 he was challenging God's law.
33:55 That's why he is angry at those who want to be obedient
33:58 to the commandments of God.
34:02 He would say and look, God's the one who makes
34:04 all the rules around here, He doesn't include us,
34:07 He has never had a meeting with me or you
34:08 or any of the others to try to tell us
34:11 why or what He just tells us what to do,
34:13 we have to do it.
34:14 Put me on the throne, I'll show you,
34:17 we can have some fun around this place.
34:21 He was challenging God's rule.
34:23 He was challenging God's law, God's government.
34:26 He didn't realize that God's laws are laws of love.
34:31 And when we understand what the laws are,
34:34 then we can understand love and the beauty of love
34:37 is never revealed until we understand
34:40 the beauty of God's law.
34:42 God has lots of different kinds of laws,
34:44 Lucifer just forgot about this.
34:47 God has physical laws,
34:49 the whole universe is governed by laws.
34:52 The law of gravity, the law of centrifugal force.
34:54 the law of centripetal force, the law of thermal dynamics.
34:58 All kinds of laws and if any one of those laws
35:02 that holds the whole universe together,
35:03 if any one of those laws is broken,
35:05 the whole thing is going to crash.
35:10 God's laws are laws of love,
35:15 and He created the man and the woman,
35:17 He created us and put within us certain laws
35:23 by which we would operate and function.
35:27 And when we lived our lives within the circle of the laws
35:31 that God gave for us, we would be happy,
35:35 we would have peace, we would have joy.
35:38 Everything would be perfect,
35:39 but if we step outside of those laws
35:42 that God made for us to live by,
35:45 then bad things are going to happen to us.
35:47 We are going to break and other people are going
35:49 to get hurt in the process.
35:52 It's not like God said, here are my laws,
35:55 do them or I'm going to zap you.
35:58 No, He said here is the way I made you
36:03 and if you live like this, you are going to experience life
36:07 far beyond anything you can ever imagine.
36:11 But if you don't trust me and you try to step
36:14 outside of the circle, you are going to suffer
36:19 and other people are going to get hurt.
36:22 That's what it's all about.
36:25 It's like God's owner's manual,
36:27 He is telling us, here is how I made you.
36:30 Now, you can buy a new car and look in the owner's manual
36:33 and say you got to put oil in the crankcase and you say,
36:35 wow that's what it says, but I think I'll do it my way.
36:39 Seems better to me and it seems a lot cheaper
36:41 to put water in there instead of oil,
36:43 it will save the planet.
36:45 So you put water in the crankcase,
36:47 now you can do that, but your car is going to break.
36:52 God says here, this is how I made you,
36:55 here is the way you are going to work.
36:58 Here is the grease that keeps things smooth for you.
37:04 Physical laws, this is the way I made your body to function.
37:08 There are certain things hat you put into it
37:09 that are not going to help you.
37:11 You need a lot of water, you need some good food,
37:13 the right kinds of food.
37:15 And if you put the wrong things in it,
37:17 it's like putting water in the crankcase.
37:18 You are going to break and you are going to hurt
37:21 and you are going to suffer.
37:23 You see that's the way God made us.
37:26 There are social laws.
37:30 God teaches us how to relate to each other,
37:32 how to love each other.
37:34 The Bible says we should honor our parent.
37:36 Wouldn't you love to live in a place
37:37 where everybody did that?
37:40 Not to lie, not to steal, not to kill.
37:43 Wouldn't you like to live in a world like that?
37:47 Not to commit adultery.
37:49 He said, I made you.
37:50 So the man would leave his father and mother,
37:51 cleave in to his life and the two would become one.
37:55 And if you stay like that, you are going to be happy,
37:57 but if you try to get outside of that circle,
37:59 you are going to hurt and other people
38:01 are going to get hurt in the process.
38:04 See that's what God's laws is about, it's about love.
38:07 How to love each other.
38:08 Do I love my neighbor?
38:10 Let's say, hallelujah neighbor,
38:11 praise the Lord my brother I love you,
38:12 I'm slipping his wallet out of his pocket.
38:16 Is that love?
38:17 Does a man love his neighbor if he is having an affair
38:19 with his neighbor's wife?
38:21 You see that isn't love.
38:26 I was on plane one day
38:30 going to Chicago for a meeting,
38:36 when I get on a plan I always like to pray,
38:37 Lord please put me next to somebody that I can witness too.
38:41 So don't ever sit next to me on a plane unless
38:43 you want to talk about the Lord.
38:46 So I prayed and got on the plane sitting there
38:49 and sure enough this lady comes,
38:51 attractive looking like,
38:53 I mean she look like she had a presence about her,
38:55 she was somebody, not an ordinary person.
38:59 When I was talking to her, I could tell,
39:01 this is an educated lady, you know.
39:02 And I asked her what do you do?
39:04 She said, well, I'm a social worker in New York City
39:06 and I'm the director of this large children's program,
39:09 she had a PhD in sociology and she read it all together there.
39:14 And then I asked her what does your husband do?
39:17 Phil my husband is in archeology,
39:18 he has his two PhDs in archeology.
39:21 Well this is quite a couple and I kept asking her
39:25 what you do and what he does
39:26 and then finally she got the hint
39:29 and she said what do you do?
39:33 I said, oh, I'm an evangelist.
39:36 She says evangelist, what's that?
39:39 Phd? What's evangelist?
39:42 I said I travel around to different churches
39:44 and I do seminars on Revelation, kind of like heaven revivals.
39:48 Oh, nice. And I said you know, you're believer?
39:55 She said, no actually we're both are atheist.
39:59 And I said, "Oh, okay, can I ask you something?"
40:03 She said, "Sure."
40:05 Then I can tell that you are social worker
40:06 you are in charge of this
40:07 big children's program in New York City
40:09 and you love children, am I right?
40:11 Oh, yeah, I love those children.
40:14 I said, "Suppose you have two little boys
40:15 there in the group and they come
40:17 and one of them has two five dollars bill
40:19 he shows everybody and sticks in his pocket
40:21 and the other little boy sees, he says, "You know,
40:23 I haven't eaten anything in three days.
40:26 We are so poor and we don't have any food, I'm hungry.
40:29 If I had one of those five dollar bills
40:30 I would like to buy some bread and some food for my family
40:33 could I have one?"
40:34 And the little boy says, "No, that's my money."
40:37 And puts it in his pocket.
40:39 But while they are resting taking a nap,
40:41 the little fellow sleep over there
40:42 and slips one of those five dollar bills out of his pocket.
40:45 I said you see that, would that be okay with you?
40:49 She said, "No." I said, "Why not?"
40:53 She said, "Because that's wrong."
40:56 And I said, "I know but why would it be wrong?
41:00 She said, "Because that's stealing."
41:03 I said, "Well I know that, but why is stealing wrong?"
41:14 And she said, "You know, its going to help his family
41:18 and his friends, why is stealing wrong?"
41:21 She said, "I don't think I can answer that."
41:30 I said, "Can I ask you another question?"
41:35 She goes, "I guess."
41:40 I can tell you really love your husband, right?"
41:42 Oh, yeah, I love my--
41:43 Well suppose he has a sectary and her husband is an abuser,
41:46 alcoholic, beats her up, beats the kids
41:49 she is at the end of her road.
41:51 She tells you, because you know,
41:52 I don't know what I'm going to do,
41:54 I'm just ready to just take some pills and die.
41:56 I can't face life anymore.
41:59 Man, you are so lucky
42:00 if I had a husband like yours, I could make it.
42:03 In fact if I could just have him one night a week,
42:06 I think I could get by the rest of the six others.
42:09 Could I have your husband just one night a week,
42:13 I said,"Well, what would you tell her?"
42:15 She said, "No."
42:17 I said, "Why not, if it would help her out."
42:19 Because it is my husband.
42:20 I said, "Well, I know he is your husband
42:22 but you are getting six nights, she only wants one.
42:28 Why wouldn't you?"
42:29 She says, "That's wrong."
42:31 I said, "I know, I know it's wrong.
42:35 But tell me, why is it wrong?"
42:41 She said, "You keep asking me question that I can't answer."
42:46 You see, there is no answer
42:49 unless you believe in the word of God.
42:53 I said, "I can tell you why its wrong.
42:55 Do you want to know?" She says, "Why?"
42:57 Because God made the man and the woman
42:59 and He said man will leave his father and mother
43:02 and cleave in to his wife and the two become one flesh
43:05 and that's the way that you are going to be happy.
43:08 And that's the only way that you can say that it's wrong.
43:13 If you don't believe that,
43:14 you have no standard of right and wrong
43:18 and that's why we have such a problem in this world today.
43:22 God's laws are laws of love and when we break them,
43:26 we break and things happen and people get hurt.
43:33 God has other kinds of laws,
43:34 spiritual laws that teaches how to love Him.
43:37 He says, "Thou shall have no others gods before Me."
43:40 He says that, "We shouldn't take His name in vain."
43:42 He says, "We shouldn't bow down and worship idols."
43:44 You see the last six of the Ten Commandments
43:46 teaches how to love each other.
43:47 First four teaches how to love God.
43:50 You love God if you have idols and pray to idol.
43:53 Well, nobody does that today.
43:56 Or may be we don't carve Him out of wood,
43:58 and gold, and stone and bow down and pray to Him
44:00 but a lot of people who have
44:01 one eyed idols in their living rooms
44:04 watching 22 men move a little piece of leather picks
44:06 came up and down a hundred yard piece of grass.
44:11 No, I am not saying that, that its wrong,
44:16 my VCR gets all that
44:17 and I can watch it after the meeting.
44:21 So, don't tell me the scores.
44:25 But the point is anything that comes in between us and God
44:28 can become an idol, a big new house, a big car,
44:31 fancy clothes, anything can be,
44:34 our money can be an idol but it can also be put to good use,
44:36 so can a TV set, Revelation Now is going to be on TV.
44:43 So whatever stands between us and God become an idol.
44:46 There is another kind of idol,
44:47 the sophisticated form of idolatry,
44:50 a God of our own creation,
44:52 a God of our own imagination,
44:53 a God who approves of the things that we like
44:56 and condemns the things we don't like.
45:02 They call it relativism, existentialism,
45:07 doing your own thing, finding yourself,
45:12 post-modernism, all kinds of names
45:17 but the Bible calls it sin.
45:21 You are like sheep that have gone astray each to his own way.
45:26 Each doing what seems right to you.
45:30 The problem is what seems right
45:31 is not always the same as what is right
45:34 and the only way to know what is right is to trust God.
45:42 Bible tells us, Proverbs 14:12.
45:47 "There is a way that seems right to a man,
45:50 but in the end it leads to death."
45:52 Some people in the end, they are going to be lost
45:54 doing what seems right to them.
46:01 Wherever fool seems right in his own eyes,
46:06 we can't always trust reason.
46:08 In Isaiah 55, Isaiah 55:8,
46:13 "My thoughts are not your thoughts,
46:14 neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord.
46:17 "As the heavens are higher than the earth,
46:19 so are my ways higher than your and my thoughts than yours."
46:22 We can't always figure out what's right and wrong
46:24 because God sees and knows things
46:26 that we haven't even began to understand yet.
46:30 And we need to trust him.
46:31 I'm not saying that there is no room for us to think.
46:34 God said, "Come let us reason together."
46:36 We think, we decide, we plan, we do things,
46:40 but in the end we have to come
46:41 to the bottom-line conclusion that God made us,
46:44 He knows what's best for us and we trust Him,
46:47 even if it doesn't seem right to us.
46:52 When Lucifer first sinned in heaven, God had some options.
46:56 One of the options was that He could have just zapped him.
47:00 He could have rubbed him out right then,
47:02 but think about it, if He did,
47:04 here was Lucifer trying to win all these angels
47:07 to following him saying that God isn't fair,
47:10 that God never allows you to voice your opinions
47:12 as to how things should be run
47:14 and then while he is talking to the angels,
47:17 telling them God isn't fair,
47:18 God walks in and zapped, there goes Lucifer.
47:22 Now how would you feel about God?
47:26 You begun, wow,
47:29 we better walk the line around here, who is next?
47:32 And everybody would be worshiping God
47:35 out of fear instead of love.
47:40 But God is a God of love, He couldn't allow that.
47:44 So He had another option and that was to let Lucifer go,
47:53 leave him alone, give him some time
47:56 to demonstrate what it would really be like
48:00 if he was in charge, if he got his way.
48:05 And after he had enough time
48:07 to demonstrate what sin is really like,
48:11 then God would be able to destroy Lucifer and sin
48:17 and those who choose to sin
48:19 and everyone would know that he was doing the right thing.
48:23 So that was the choice that God made.
48:26 He had to give Lucifer time
48:29 to demonstrate what would life be like
48:33 on this planet, if he had his way.
48:40 In the mean time we suffer
48:47 because God has to allow Lucifer
48:50 to remember we are in this circle
48:53 and he has to allow Lucifer to step outside that circle.
48:56 As long as we are inside the circle
48:58 and live according to the way God made us,
49:00 we are not going to hurt, we are going to be happy,
49:02 we are going to be joyful.
49:03 But if we step outside the circle, we are going to hurt
49:06 and other people are going to be hurt too.
49:10 So God had to give him time to demonstrate what its like
49:13 and that means that some of us are going to suffer.
49:17 Remember the story of Job, read it in the first chapter
49:20 and second chapter of Job, read that.
49:22 The devil appeared before God
49:24 and God said, "What about my servant Job?
49:26 See how faithful he is." And the devil says,
49:28 "Well, sure he is because every time
49:29 I try to do something to him you stop me."
49:32 You built a hedge around him, you protect him.
49:34 Let me have at him and you watch he will curse you.
49:38 And so God said, "Okay, have at him."
49:41 And he did, he suffered boils he lost his home,
49:44 he lost his family, his wife turned against him
49:47 challenging to turn away from God.
49:49 He lost everything that he had,
49:51 yet he stayed faithful to God.
49:54 God allowed Lucifer, the devil to attack Job
50:00 and Job demonstrated that God is just and God is fair.
50:05 And then in the end God gave him,
50:08 God gave Job back even more than he had before.
50:13 One of my favorite verses
50:15 that explains this is in 1 Corinthians 10.
50:21 In 1 Corinthians 10, Paul writes that, "God is faithful."
50:27 Verse 13, "God is faithful, He will not let you be tempted
50:31 beyond what you can bear But when you are tempted,
50:34 he will also provide a way out
50:36 so that you can stand up under it."
50:37 You see, God does allow the devil to attack us.
50:41 He allows him to do things that hurt us
50:43 but he will never allow him to do anything
50:46 beyond what we can't handle.
50:49 When we first started I told you that my wife got cancer
50:53 and I really struggled with that trying to--
50:55 Why did God allow that to happen?
50:57 The reason He allowed it to happen
50:59 was because He knew we could handle it.
51:02 He would never let it happen.
51:04 He would never let us be tempted
51:06 beyond what we can bear
51:07 and we need to trust God with that.
51:09 No matter how much the devil comes after us,
51:12 we need to trust Him and know
51:13 that He is not going to let him do
51:15 anything that we can't handle.
51:17 God knew we could handle it and so He allowed it to happen.
51:22 You see, He is walking a fine line.
51:24 He is walking a tightrope.
51:26 Every--if every time a Christian prayed,
51:29 God delivered me, God helped me God saved me from this,
51:32 if God answered every prayer
51:34 the way we wanted to be answered then think about it.
51:37 Every time He answered a prayer for a Christian,
51:40 it puts off and delays the time that Jesus can come.
51:47 And so He lets the devil have just enough rope
51:50 to demonstrate how wicked he is
51:52 and at the same time He will never let you be tempted
51:55 beyond what you can bear.
51:57 And just like Job,
51:58 God promised him something better
52:00 and He gave him something better the same way for us.
52:03 One year later after we found out that my wife had cancer,
52:07 one year later we went back in for some more testing
52:10 and after her treatments for one year,
52:12 we found that it was in remission
52:14 and there was no trace of the cancer anymore.
52:16 He gave us a little ray of hope,
52:18 He gave us some sunshine and not only that,
52:21 He threw a bonus on top.
52:22 He helped us to find that little retirement home
52:24 that we were looking for
52:25 with a beautiful view of Mount Rainier
52:28 just a little taste of something better.
52:30 Sin isn't fair, it wasn't fair that she got cancer.
52:33 It isn't fair that the devil attacked you.
52:35 Sin is not fair but God more than makes up for it.
52:39 You can trust Him,
52:40 that's why bad things happen to good people.
52:47 The Bible says, "God made man in his own image."
52:51 I'm not going to get into a discussion
52:53 of what all that means theologically
52:55 but I think its enough for us to recognize
52:58 that there's something about having someone in your own image
53:00 it makes you love him all the more
53:04 and He made us in His image.
53:06 That why God created people,
53:09 so you could have someone to love.
53:11 And to love him back, love involves other people
53:14 but love also involves choice.
53:17 Our youngest son, he was only 3 years old at the time
53:23 and I'll never forget, we lived in a RV
53:25 and I had a big mayflower moving van
53:28 fixed up and painted and had an office in there,
53:30 a place to store our stuff
53:32 and place for me to get away and study.
53:33 You don't study with two little boys in RV.
53:37 So I'm sitting in my office studying one day
53:38 I had the big van door kind of cracked open just a little bit
53:43 and I heard it creak
53:44 and then I heard a, hmm, a little grunt.
53:47 And I turned around to look and there was my boy
53:51 big round face, big brown eyes just sparkling
53:57 and he said, "Daddy, I love you."
53:59 Turn around and ran away.
54:03 Not to get emotional just telling you that
54:09 because you see the thing that made his love so precious
54:13 is that he didn't have to say that.
54:18 He didn't have to say it. He didn't have to love me.
54:23 Lot of children don't love their parents.
54:27 In fact the time came when he didn't love us,
54:32 changed his name, left,
54:33 didn't want anything to do with us.
54:38 There is nothing more painful in the rejection of the love
54:44 for your own children.
54:48 And it helped me to understand may be just a little bit
54:54 about how God feels when we don't love Him.
55:03 Things started getting a little better.
55:07 And one day he flew back,
55:09 he lives in England, he flew back home
55:15 and it was Father's Day and he gave me a card
55:23 and he says in the card, "Dear dad,
55:26 I don't think that this card was manufactured
55:28 with the intention for sons
55:30 to give it to their fathers on Father's Day
55:34 but the cover picture even though it's irrelevant,
55:38 I like the words because that's where we are, I hope."
55:44 And the words on the cover, "To my friend."
55:57 Best wishes for your whole year, not just this one single day.
56:04 I don't say enough
56:07 how much I appreciate you in my childhood.
56:12 Thank you for giving me a happy and healthy home.
56:16 (Transient, your son).
56:28 Inside, "Wishing you one of the best Father's Days
56:31 you have ever had." and it was because of this card.
56:39 He didn't have to give me that card.
56:42 The fact that he didn't have to
56:44 makes it all the more precious to me.
56:48 And that's why God put the tree in the garden.
56:54 He had to give us a choice
56:57 even though He knew that we would reject Him,
57:01 He had to put the tree there because of love.
57:07 God could have done other things.
57:09 He could have said, "Planet earth,
57:10 you made your bed now sleep in it."
57:15 He couldn't do that,
57:17 so God did the unthinkable to that old devil.
57:21 God came in man and died on the cross to save us
57:32 and all we need to do is reach out
57:37 and take the hand of Jesus.
57:40 Trust Him, follow Him.


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