Revelation's Seven Trumpets

Lesson 1 - Introductory Matters Part 1

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00:02 [intense music]
00:14 - Well, good morning, students! So happy to
00:17 see you here at Anchor 2020. During this class, we are
00:23 going to study one of the most difficult sections
00:26 of the book of Revelation. We're gonna take a look
00:29 at the seven trumpets. Now, the class, of course,
00:33 begins on Monday, and it ends next Sabbath. We
00:38 study four hours a day, and on Friday we have
00:42 five hours. So, it's gonna be very intensive,
00:45 but we're gonna have a wonderful time together.
00:48 I'd like to mention that we have 40 students in
00:50 our class, and they come from 10 different states
00:54 and three different countries. We're so glad that you've
00:58 come to Anchor this year. Now, before we get into
01:01 our study, we want to take a look at the table
01:04 of contents. You have in your hands the study
01:09 notes for this class. There's close to 400
01:11 pages of material that we're gonna take a look
01:14 at in the course of this class. There's also an
01:18 additional material: it's an article that
01:20 appeared in Ministry Magazine for January 2012,
01:24 an article written by Angel Manuel Rodríguez.
01:27 The title is, "Issues in the Interpretation of
01:30 the Seven Trumpets of Revelation". Basically,
01:34 in this article, Angel Manuel presents nine views of the
01:39 seven trumpets within the Seventh-day Adventist
01:42 Church. We did not receive permission to include it
01:45 in the manual, in the study notes, but you
01:50 can read it. We copied it off so that you would
01:52 have a copy and would be able to read it. So,
01:54 let's take a look at where we're going in this particular
01:57 class. The table of contents is on page 2- actually,
02:03 page 1 of your study notes. So, let's take a
02:07 look at where we're going to go in this class. You'll
02:11 notice, first of all, that we're gonna deal
02:13 with some introductory matters-different views
02:16 in the Seventh-day Adventist Church and in the Christian
02:20 world on the seven trumpets. What principles do they use
02:25 for interpreting the trumpets? Then you'll
02:27 notice that we're gonna take a look at the first
02:29 trumpet, and then the second trumpet, the
02:32 third trumpet, the fourth trumpet, the fifth trumpet,
02:36 and then you'll notice that under chapter #6,
02:40 the fifth trumpet, you have a chart that explains
02:44 Revelation 12 through 22. I'm not sure that we're
02:47 going to be able to cover the chart, but it's there
02:50 on page 146. You'll be able to take a look at
02:54 it, study it; it's gonna take you a while to
02:56 negotiate the chart. And then you'll notice
03:00 in chapter 7, we have an interlude in Revelation
03:04 chapter 11. That interlude covers two particular
03:09 periods of history. The first period in the interlude
03:13 of Revelation 11 deals with the 1,260 years
03:17 of papal dominance-the 1,260 years in which the papacy,
03:24 the little horn, the beast of Revelation chapter 13,
03:26 ruled primarily over Europe. And then the
03:30 second event that we find in this interlude
03:33 is a depiction or description of the French Revolution.
03:37 So, Revelation chapter 11 is actually an interlude
03:42 that actually amplifies the fourth trumpet and
03:46 the fifth trumpet. So, remember that. The interlude
03:49 in Revelation 11 is an amplification of the
03:53 fourth trumpet, which would be the 1,260 years,
03:56 and the fifth trumpet, which is a description
03:59 of the French Revolution. Then you'll notice another
04:03 chapter-this is chapter 8- Matthew, Luke, and the
04:08 times of the Gentiles. This is a chapter that
04:11 deals with the times of the Gentiles spoken
04:14 of in Revelation 11 and also in Matthew chapter 24
04:18 and Luke chapter 21. So, we're gonna take
04:22 a look at that. And then you'll notice from chapter
04:25 9 through chapter 12, we're going to deal with
04:30 the little book of Daniel chapter 12 and verse 4,
04:36 which is amplified in Revelation chapter 10. You'll notice
04:40 that chapter 9 is titled, "The Little Sealed Book".
04:44 We're gonna see what the contents of The Little
04:47 Sealed Book of Daniel chapter 12 and verse 4
04:50 include. Then, we're gonna take a look at
04:52 the mighty angel from heaven. This is a study
04:55 of the second interlude that we find after the
04:59 fifth trumpet, and this interlude deals with the
05:02 little book that was opened in Revelation
05:05 chapter 10. Then, we're gonna take a look at
05:08 what it means to measure the temple of God. That is
05:11 in Revelation chapter 11 and verse 1, which
05:14 really belongs with chapter 10-and we'll be studying
05:18 that particular point. Then, we have Daniel
05:21 10 and the little book. We probably are not
05:24 going to be able to study this chapter
05:26 because we don't have enough time to cover
05:29 everything in the study notes, but in Daniel chapter
05:33 10 and the little book, I hope that you'll read
05:35 that chapter. It's about 20 pages long; it has a
05:38 lot of very important material. Then you'll
05:41 notice the next chapter that we're gonna study
05:44 is chapter 13. We're gonna deal with the sixth
05:46 trumpet. It's gonna take us quite a while to study
05:49 the sixth trumpet; there's a lot of material there.
05:52 And then, we will study the seventh trumpet.
05:55 You'll notice also from chapters 15 to 18 that
05:59 there are some additional points. You'll notice in
06:01 chapter 15, the title is, "The Marriage Supper and
06:06 Possessing the Kingdom. We're gonna take a look
06:09 at wedding customs in Scripture and in antiquity,
06:13 and we're gonna see that the marriage of Jesus is
06:16 the same as Jesus taking over the kingdom. And then,
06:21 you'll notice the next chapter deals with examining
06:24 the subjects of the kingdom. It has to do with the
06:27 investigative judgment. Then, you have matters
06:29 relating to literary structure. This is a
06:33 detailed look at how Revelation chapter 8,
06:37 9, 10, and 11 and 12 are organized. Then,
06:42 you have chapter 18, views and issues in the
06:46 study of the trumpets, and you have there included
06:49 the prophecy of Josiah Litch, and also the seven
06:54 trumpets in Adventism. And then you have, after
06:58 that, the contact information. So, let's go, now, to page
07:03 3 and take a look at the schools of study
07:07 on the trumpets. There are four of them: the preterist,
07:09 the futurist, the dual fulfillment view, and
07:13 the historicist view. This is not only views
07:16 of Adventists, but also views of non-Adventists.
07:20 The first view that you'll notice here is the preterist
07:25 view. I'm just gonna read from the manual:
07:28 "The trumpets depict events relating to the
07:32 Roman empire and the Jewish nation in the first
07:35 centuries of the Christian era. Thus, the trumpets are
07:39 simple history. And therefore, they are of historical
07:43 interest, but they have no relevance for the
07:46 church today." So basically, the preterist view is that
07:49 the trumpets were fulfilled in the ancient Roman empire
07:53 and they were fulfilled with the literal Jewish
07:55 nation in the first years of the history of the
07:59 Christian church. So, if that's the case, then
08:03 they're of interest for historical study, but they
08:06 have absolutely no relevance for the church today because
08:10 they're already passed; they don't depict events
08:13 that are gonna take place in the future. So, let's
08:17 take a look, now, at another view that is
08:21 presented in the world today-that is the futurist
08:25 view which basically... This is a view that teaches
08:30 that the seven trumpets describe events that will
08:34 afflict humanity after the rapture of the church.
08:39 Now, this is primarily a view outside the Seventh-day
08:42 Adventist Church. I don't know anyone in the
08:43 Adventist Church that teaches that the trumpets
08:46 fall after the rapture of the church; I don't
08:50 know of any Adventist who believes in the secret
08:52 rapture. So basically, these trumpets are describing
08:56 events that are gonna take place after the church
08:58 is raptured to heaven- terrible judgments that
09:01 God is going to afflict humanity with. Which
09:04 means that the seven trumpets have no relevance
09:06 for the church, because the church is gonna be
09:09 gone! So, if the church is gonna be gone in the
09:11 rapture, why should we even study the trumpets?
09:14 They don't have any relevance for us. Then,
09:17 we have another view, which is the dual fulfillment
09:20 view, and you have some Adventists in this camp.
09:23 Basically, this is the idea that the trumpets
09:26 have a dual fulfillment. Yes, you can apply
09:30 historicism and say that they had a fulfillment
09:33 in the past, but they will have another literal
09:38 fulfillment in the future. Some Adventists say that
09:43 the future fulfillment of the trumpets is gonna
09:47 take place before the close of probation.
09:49 Other Adventists say that the seven trumpets
09:51 take place after the close of probation in the
09:55 future. And then you have, finally, on page
09:59 4 the view that I believe is the correct one: the
10:03 historicist interpretation of the trumpets. Basically,
10:07 what this view teaches is that the introductory
10:12 vision to the trumpets describes the starting
10:15 and ending points of the entire series. The
10:20 starting point, we're going to notice, is the
10:23 Day of Pentecost-when Jesus began His intercessory
10:27 ministry at the golden altar in the holy place
10:31 of the heavenly sanctuary upon His ascension.
10:34 Then, the series will end when Jesus throws
10:38 down the censer and He ceases to intercede for
10:43 humanity, and He takes over the kingdoms of the
10:46 world. So, another is the introductory vision
10:49 has the starting point and the ending point of
10:52 the seven trumpets. It summarizes the two points,
10:56 and the trumpets are the events in between the
10:59 introductory part, which is the intercession of Jesus,
11:04 and when Jesus takes over the kingdoms of the world.
11:08 So, for historicists, strict historicists, the
11:13 trumpets do not have two applications. The trumpets
11:17 have one application beginning in apostolic
11:20 times and ending when Jesus takes over the kingdoms
11:24 of the world. Now, let's go to the subtitle,
11:29 "Historicist Principles". Of all of the passages
11:33 in the book of Revelation, the seven trumpet series
11:36 is the most difficult to understand. I must
11:41 make an admission that for years, I shied away
11:44 from teaching about the seven trumpets, because
11:48 I looked at the seven trumpets through the
11:50 prism of Uriah Smith's interpretation of the
11:54 trumpets. And to be honest with you, it made little
11:57 sense to me. In fact, I well remember that
12:00 many times, I taught Revelation seminars,
12:03 the seminars Unlimited Revelation Seminar.
12:07 It's lesson 23, and the title of lesson 23 is,
12:10 "Trumpet's Herald; Rome's Collapse". I always skipped
12:14 that lesson. I went from lesson 22 to lesson 24,
12:18 because it was so long, and it just... All of the
12:23 interpretation of the symbolism just made
12:25 absolutely no sense. Then, a few years ago...
12:29 Actually, many years ago, while I was serving as
12:33 pastor of Fresno Central Church, I decided that we
12:36 would study the book of Revelation in chronological
12:38 order. Of course, that obligated me to sit down
12:42 and study the trumpets. Because if you're gonna
12:44 study Revelation, you can't say, "Okay, we're
12:46 gonna skip the trumpets, folks." So, I was forced
12:48 to sit down and study for myself the seven
12:52 trumpets, applying the same principles that we
12:56 apply to every other section of the book of
12:58 Revelation. The study notes that you have are the result
13:02 of my personal study of the text of Scripture - not going
13:06 to Uriah Smith or going to futurist authors or
13:10 going to other individuals who have written about
13:12 the trumpets, but actually going to the book of Revelation
13:15 itself with a lexicon, with a concordance,
13:18 and studying the trumpets for myself. I think that
13:21 everything is gonna make sense as we move along.
13:25 Now, we need to have certain interpretative
13:28 principles in order to understand the trumpets,
13:31 as well as other sections of the book of Revelation.
13:34 First of all, when the book of Revelation does
13:37 not interpret a symbol, we must go to other
13:41 places in Scripture to discover the correct
13:44 interpretation of that symbol. Is that point
13:47 clear? Secondly-and this is probably the most
13:51 important principle of all-we must carefully
13:54 consider the order of events or the literary
13:58 structure of the book of Revelation. The book
14:02 of Revelation is an intricately- woven document, with flashbacks,
14:08 foretastes, repetition, and expansion. We must
14:14 remember that God did not reveal the book of
14:16 Revelation in strict chronological order.
14:20 The visions of Revelation run in cycles, just like
14:23 the book of Daniel has four cycles: Daniel 2,
14:27 Daniel 7, Daniel 8 and 9, and Daniel 10 through 11.
14:33 In other words, the book of Revelation, you can't
14:35 say, "Well, I wanna know what's gonna happen in
14:36 the future!" so you start in Revelation 1 verse 1,
14:39 and you go to Revelation chapter 22, the last verse,
14:42 and you say, "Okay, now I know the chronological
14:44 sequence of events." No. The book of Revelation
14:46 has a very tricky structure. You know, I can give you
14:51 an example at the top of page 5 in your study
14:54 notes. There are three passages on the 144,000
14:58 in the book of Revelation. You have, first of all,
15:01 in Revelation 7:1-8, the sealing of the 144,000.
15:06 Each section has a different emphasis. So, in Revelation
15:10 7:1-8, you have the sealing of the 144,000. Then, you
15:14 go to chapter 14, many chapters in between,
15:17 and you have the character of the 144,000. And then,
15:22 in chapter 15 verses 2 through 4, you have
15:26 the victory of the 144,000 over the beast, his image,
15:29 his mark, and the number of his name. Now, obviously,
15:33 this is not in chronological order. You simply have
15:37 three different passages that emphasis different
15:41 aspects about the 144,000. The third principle that we
15:46 need to take a look at is the introductory scenes
15:50 of each series contain the beginning and ending
15:54 points of the entire series. This is what I
15:58 mentioned at the very beginning. So, in other
16:00 words, the introductory verses to the series of
16:03 the churches, to the series of the seals,
16:05 to the series of the trumpets, contains the
16:08 starting point of the entire series and the
16:11 ending point of the entire series. Are you understanding
16:14 the point that I'm making? You know, I have here
16:18 several points that illustrate this principle. In Revelation
16:23 chapter 1 verses 1-7, you have the two points
16:26 of time to the churches. Let's go there for a
16:29 moment-Revelation chapter 1 and verses 1-7, and
16:35 you'll see that you have the beginning point, and you
16:37 also have the ending point. Revelation chapter
16:39 1 and verse 1. Actually, let's go to verse 4,
16:45 because of the brevity of the time. It says
16:48 in verse 4... "John, to the seven churches which are
16:51 in Asia"... So, would that be the beginning point?
16:55 He's writing to the seven churches in Asia. But
16:58 now notice verse 7-and we can't look at all of
17:00 the details in between. Verse 7 says...
17:14 Let me ask you: is verse 7 in chronological order
17:16 to what we find before and after? No, because
17:20 afterwards, it goes back to speak about the churches!
17:24 So, you have in this introductory part of the
17:27 seven churches, you have the beginning point, which
17:30 is John writing to the seven churches, and the
17:33 ending point, Jesus coming in the clouds. That point clear?
17:37 Now, let's notice, also, Revelation 3 verse 21.
17:40 This is the conclusion of the churches' series
17:43 and the introduction to the seals: Revelation chapter
17:46 3 and verse 21. "To him who overcomes, I will grant to
17:52 sit with Me on My throne"- that's future, right?
17:57 Jesus says, "...I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
18:00 as I also overcame and sat with My Father on His throne."
18:06 And then you have, after this, the seven seals.
18:09 So, what is the starting point for the seven
18:11 seals? When Jesus sits with His Father, what?
18:15 On His throne! At His ascension. Where do
18:17 the seals end? When we sit with Jesus on the throne!
18:21 Are you with me or not? So, the introductory verse
18:24 gives you the beginning and the ending point.
18:28 The same is true with Revelation chapter 8,
18:32 the series on the trumpets. You have-let's go there
18:35 to Revelation chapter 8- the introduction to the
18:38 series of the trumpets- Revelation chapter 8-
18:41 and let's notice beginning with verse 2, because
18:45 verse 1 is the conclusion to the series of the seals.
18:49 It says that...
19:12 When did that work of mingling the incense
19:16 with the prayers of God's people begin? When did
19:18 that process begin? On the Day of Pentecost!
19:22 When Jesus began His work of intercession in
19:25 the holy place, right? But now notice there's
19:28 a change in scene. Verse 5. In verse 5, it says,
19:33 "Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the
19:38 altar"-we're gonna come back to this in Revelation
19:42 chapter 14-"...from the altar"-and what does
19:45 he do with the censer, now? No longer is he
19:49 interceding with the censer; what is he doing?
19:51 He throws it to the earth. "And there were noises,
19:55 thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake." That
19:59 represents the end of intercession. We will
20:02 study that a little bit later on in the series
20:04 when we deal with Ezekiel chapter 10 where it speaks
20:07 about taking the censer and throwing it in Jerusalem!
20:10 That means Jerusalem is now gonna be punished.
20:14 Are you understanding this point? Critically
20:17 important to understand that the introductory
20:19 vision gives you the beginning and ending
20:22 point of the series. And then, if you continue
20:26 here on page 5, Revelation 11 verses 15-19 contains
20:33 the conclusion to the trumpets, a summary
20:36 of the rest of the book, and the introduction to
20:40 the next section. [chuckles] You see, now, how is that?
20:44 Well, let's go to Revelation chapter 11, Revelation
20:48 chapter 11, and let's read verses 15 through
20:52 17. This is the seventh angel who blows the
20:55 seventh trumpet.
21:27 That's where the seventh trumpet ends! Note that there's
21:31 a series of the trumpets- ends there at verse 17.
21:37 Now, you say, "What about verse 18?" Some people
21:39 make the mistake of thinking that Revelation chapter 11
21:44 verse 18 follows what is in the previous verse.
21:50 That's not the case. What happens is,
21:53 Revelation 18, now, is gonna give you the
21:55 summary of the rest of the book. You say, "How
21:58 do you know that?" Well, let's read this interesting
22:00 statement from Ellen White. See, the little
22:03 lady understood this. How did she understand
22:06 all of these little intricate details?
22:08 Lucky guess, right? No! She was inspired, folks!
22:13 That's how she knows! We're gonna see detail
22:14 after detail in the trumpets where Ellen White is
22:17 right on target in her interpretation. Let's
22:22 read this statement that we find in the book,
22:24 Early Writings, pg. 36. You're gonna see that
22:27 this takes you back. "Then I saw that Jesus
22:30 would not lead the most holy place until every
22:33 case was decided, either for salvation or destruction,
22:37 and that the wrath of God would not come"... What
22:41 is the wrath of God coming? It's the seven plagues,
22:43 right? "...that the wrath of God would not come
22:46 until Jesus had"-what?- "finished His work in the
22:49 most holy place, laid off His priestly attire and
22:53 clothed Himself with the garments of vengeance."
22:56 That's the close of probation, isn't it?
22:58 "Then," it says, "Then, Jesus will step out from
23:02 between the Father and man, and God will keep
23:06 silence no longer but pour out His wrath on
23:10 those who have rejected His truth." That is after
23:14 the close of probation- the pouring out of the
23:16 seven last plagues. But then, notice what
23:18 Ellen White says. "I saw that the anger of
23:22 the nations, the wrath of God, and the time to
23:28 judge the dead were"- what?-"separate and
23:32 distinct, one following the other." Are you
23:37 catching the picture? "Also that Michael had
23:40 not stood up and that the time of trouble such
23:42 as never was had not yet commenced." The
23:45 nations are NOW getting angry! Let me ask you:
23:49 is that taking place before or after the
23:53 close of probation? Before! Isn't it? Now, where do
23:58 you find that expression, "Nations getting angry"?
24:01 In verse 18, right? So, she says, "The nations
24:05 are now getting angry"... And by the way, when it
24:09 the nations are getting angry, she's not describing
24:11 just the nations are angry at each other.
24:14 The nations are getting angry - ultimately, they'll
24:16 be angry against God's people. And, by the way,
24:20 this phrase, "The nations are getting angry," is
24:23 described in Revelation chapter 12 through chapter
24:27 14. That's where that anger of the nations is
24:31 described. Then, she continues, "The nations
24:34 are now getting angry, but when our High Priest
24:36 has finished His work in the sanctuary, He will
24:38 stand up, put on the garments of vengeance,
24:41 and then the seven last plagues will be poured out."
24:46 So, notice the summary of the five chronological states,
24:52 five chronological sections, of Revelation
24:56 11 verse 18. The nations are getting angry. That
25:00 is described in Revelation 12 through 14. There, you'll
25:05 find a description of the powers of the earth
25:07 angry at God's people, wanting to destroy God's
25:09 people. Revelation 15 through 19 describes the
25:13 close of probation and the seven last plagues.
25:16 That summarizes what phrase? "Your wrath has
25:20 come." Then, it says, "The next event is the
25:24 time to judge the dead." Which dead? The righteous?
25:29 No! Who is judged after the plagues are poured out?
25:35 When Jesus comes. This is describing the millennium!
25:38 Chapter 20. And then, it says, "Time to reward
25:42 your saints." So, when Jesus comes, is He gonna
25:45 reward His saints? Yes. Is He gonna begin to
25:47 judge the wicked? Yes. And then, you have the
25:51 final, which is to destroy those who destroy the
25:53 earth. When are those going to be destroyed
25:55 to destroy the earth? After the millennium.
25:59 Are you with me? So, verse 18 gives you
26:02 the introduction to the rest of the book. And
26:05 then, Revelation 11 verse 19-we're on page 6-
26:10 Revelation 11:19 is the introduction to the next
26:14 section of Revelation, to Revelation 12 through
26:17 14! Are you following me or not? So, Revelation
26:22 11:19 - Ellen White always applies that
26:25 verse to the beginning of the work of Jesus in
26:29 the most holy place in 1844. Now, wait a minute,
26:32 if you take Revelation in chronological order,
26:35 then you would have to say that the opening of
26:40 the temple in heaven and the Ark of His Testament (Testimony?)
26:44 is seen, you would have to say, "That's after the
26:45 second coming of Jesus!" But what is Revelation 11:19
26:50 doing? God is taking you back to the section that
26:55 deals with the anger of the nations! Are
26:57 you with me or not? I wish we had more time
27:01 to fine-tune all of this. But that's why you have
27:05 the study time in the afternoon! Go back;
27:07 reflect on it, think on the basis of what
27:10 we are talking about. Now, let's go to our
27:13 next section: "Serious Questions on Hermeneutical
27:16 Consistency." 'Hermeneutical' means "principles of
27:19 interpretation". Interpreters of the book of Revelation,
27:23 I found in my studies, are frequently inconsistent
27:27 in the way in which they interpret the book. For
27:30 example, the historicist's method teaches that the
27:34 churches and the seals begin when? In apostolic
27:39 times! Emphasis is the Apostolic Church, right?
27:43 And in the seals, we teach the white horse
27:45 is the church that goes out, conquering at the
27:47 conquer of the Apostolic Church. So, the series
27:50 begins in apostolic times, and ends when? When
27:54 Christ sets up His everlasting kingdom!
27:57 This being the case, why does Uriah Smith
28:01 and other interpreters say that the trumpets
28:04 begin in the fourth century with the
28:06 barbarian invasions? Are you catching my point?
28:10 Secondly, some Adventist interpreters believe that
28:14 there is a dual fulfillment of the trumpets. One,
28:17 past, and the other, future. However, is
28:21 there such a thing as dual fulfillments in chain
28:24 prophecies? Are there two fulfillments to the
28:28 churches? No. Are there two fulfillments to the
28:31 seals? No. Are there two fulfillments in
28:34 Daniel 2, and Daniel 7, and Daniel 8 and 9,
28:38 and Daniel 11? No! In chain prophecies,
28:42 you have how many fulfillments? You have
28:44 one fulfillment in chain prophecies. Another
28:49 question: were the barbarian invasions of such historical
28:54 importance that you needed four trumpets to describe
28:58 the barbarian invasions? That's what Uriah Smith
29:01 says! Furthermore, those who interpret the trumpets
29:06 as a depiction of the barbarian invasions
29:09 and the growth of Islam and Turkey are, many times,
29:13 inconsistent in the manner in which they interpret the
29:16 symbols. Sometimes, they take the language literally,
29:20 and other times, they apply the language symbolically.
29:25 There is an inconsistency in the method of interpreting
29:29 the symbols. Finally, at the top of page 7,
29:34 for those who see the rise and fall of Islam
29:37 and the role of Turkey in the trumpets, one
29:41 must ask, "Where in other prophetic lines of prophecy
29:45 do you find a mention of Turkey or the Muslims?"
29:51 Are they in Daniel 2? Are the Muslims and
29:54 Turkey in Daniel 2? No. Are they in Daniel 7?
29:59 No. Are they in Daniel 8 and 9? No. Are they in
30:03 the series on the churches? No. Are they in the series
30:06 on the seals? No. Are they in Daniel 11 and 12?
30:11 No. Are they in Revelation 12? No. Are they in Revelation
30:15 13? No! So, to insert the Muslims and Turkey
30:21 into the trumpets simply is a reflection of a view
30:26 that was held by Uriah Smith who introduced
30:29 this view into the Adventist Church. And by the way,
30:31 I'm not demeaning the work of Uriah Smith.
30:36 You can read his commentary. His commentary is on Daniel
30:39 and Revelation are very good! But he did not have
30:43 all the light on the trumpets; he did not have all the light
30:45 particularly on the Battle of Armageddon. He believed
30:48 that the King of the North is Turkey and the drying
30:51 up of Euphrates was literal! I think he was wrong
30:56 in his interpretation of Daniel 11 and Revelation
30:59 chapter 16! That doesn't mean that everything
31:02 that he wrote is not trustworthy. Ellen White
31:06 recommended that his books be read. So, I'm
31:09 just mentioning that the difficulties that we
31:12 have with his particular interpretation of the
31:15 trumpets. Now, we're on page 7: "Introduction
31:19 to the Trumpets." We begin by asking the very
31:23 important question: are we to understand
31:26 the trumpets from a futurist or from a
31:29 historicist perspective? Seventh-day Adventist
31:33 theology has traditionally interpreted the churches,
31:37 the seals, and the trumpets from a historicist perspective.
31:44 However, in recent times, there has been a tendency
31:47 among some Seventh-day Adventist interpreters
31:50 to interpret the trumpets from a futurist perspective.
31:54 And probably, the person who has popularized this
31:58 the most is Marvin Moore who, for many years-
32:01 I don't know if he still presently is, but-
32:03 was editor of Signs of the Times. As we regard the
32:07 trumpets, as I was mentioning at the beginning-this morning-
32:10 there are two futurist schools of thought in
32:14 the Seventh-day Adventist Church today. One school
32:17 sees the fulfillment of the trumpets in
32:19 post-probationary time- that is after the close
32:23 of probation. The other school sees their fulfillment
32:26 as future, from our time, but occurring during probationary
32:30 time-before the close of probation. Marvin
32:34 Moore belongs to this second group that believes
32:37 that the trumpets will be fulfilled shortly before
32:40 the close of probation. I believe that the futurist
32:43 school commits two mistakes in their interpretation
32:47 of the trumpets. First, they often literalize
32:52 the symbolic language. They speak about
32:54 meteorites falling from heaven literally, and
32:59 asteroids falling upon the earth. But when
33:03 the Bible speaks about the falling star, you need
33:06 to see what the Bible interprets the falling
33:08 star as-not just think that it's a meteorite
33:11 or an asteroid! We have to let the Bible interpret
33:14 its own symbols. So at first, they often literalize
33:17 the symbolic language; and second, they fail to
33:21 do a serious study of the literary arrangement
33:24 of the book of Revelation. You see, the literary
33:28 structure of the book of Revelation is the
33:30 skeleton that holds the whole book together.
33:33 And if you don't have a skeleton, you have
33:36 a jellyfish that moves here, there, and everywhere.
33:41 Many scholars-now, here's an important point-
33:44 many scholars have concluded that the book
33:48 of Revelation follows the sequential order
33:51 of the Hebrew sanctuary. In other words, that's
33:54 structured around the Hebrew sanctuary.
33:57 In the series of the seven churches, Jesus
33:59 is walking, where? Among the candlesticks. In the
34:03 series on the seals, Jesus has moved to,
34:06 where? To the Table of the Showbread. Now,
34:09 if you want more on that, you would have to study
34:11 the series that I did on the seals. There's
34:14 a two-volume set of study notes on the seals.
34:17 In the series on the trumpets, where is Jesus
34:19 ministering? We just read it a few moments
34:22 ago. At the Altar of Incense! And in Revelation
34:26 11:19, Jesus moves, where? He moves to where the
34:31 Ark of the Covenant is! So, you have this sequence
34:35 from... Actually, the book of Revelation begins
34:40 in chapter 1 with the sacrifice of Christ-
34:43 with the death of Christ. He redeemed us through
34:45 His blood, He was dead and yet He's alive,
34:48 so it begins, actually, with His work on earth!
34:50 Then you have the candlesticks, then you have the Table
34:52 of Showbread, then you have the Altar of Incense,
34:55 then you have the opening of the most holy place,
34:58 and then you'll notice in the next paragraph,
35:00 then in chapter 15 verses 5-8, the sanctuary
35:03 administration closes! The temple's filled with
35:05 smoke. Nobody can enter, because the intercession
35:08 of Christ has ended. And then, in Revelation
35:11 16 through 19, you have a description of the seven
35:14 last plagues! Chapter 20, you have the scapegoat
35:17 ceremony! And chapter 21 and 22, you have the
35:22 new heavens and the new earth! Does Revelation
35:24 have a sanctuary structure? It most certainly does!
35:28 It follows the order of the sanctuary. So,
35:30 if you extract the trumpets and you put them in the
35:33 future, what happens? The sanctuary structure
35:37 of the book is interrupted. So, you have to realize
35:41 that the trumpets fit within a certain time period,
35:45 which is the period of the intercession of Christ
35:48 in the sanctuary. Is this point clear? So,
35:52 extracting the trumpets from the legitimate context
35:55 and inserting them into the future destroys the
35:58 beautiful sanctuary symmetry of the book. And if you want
36:02 more on the sanctuary symmetry of the book,
36:04 if you have the book God Cares by C. Mervyn Maxwell,
36:08 my teacher in the seminary, you'll find a beautiful
36:11 description of the sanctuary symmetry
36:14 of the book of Revelation. Now, let's take a look
36:17 at the normative Seventh-day Adventist
36:19 position on the trumpets. There are certain non-negotiables
36:24 when it comes to the Seventh-day Adventist
36:27 concept of the seven trumpets. After Desmond
36:31 Ford... Have you ever heard of him? He died
36:34 just a short while ago. After Desmond Ford
36:37 came up with his novel ideas on Bible prophecy,
36:41 the General Conference established a Daniel &
36:43 Revelation study committee. It's known as DARCOM.
36:47 To look into his arguments, the result was the publication
36:51 of seven volumes on various issues relating
36:55 to the sanctuary and Bible prophecy. By the
36:58 way, I would recommend that you acquire this
37:00 seven-set series. They're available from a biblical
37:03 research institute of the General Conference.
37:06 They are a powerful, powerful support for the
37:10 Seventh-day Adventist view of the sanctuary
37:12 and Bible prophecy. I mean, they answer every
37:16 single objection that was raised by Desmond
37:19 Ford and is raised generally by evangelicals.
37:23 Regarding the seven trumpets-continuing here
37:25 on page 8-regarding the seven trumpets,
37:29 DARCOM gave the following explanation; this is the
37:33 official explanation that is given on the trumpets
37:38 by this committee: "Today, Seventh-day Adventists
37:42 virtually stand alone as exponents of the
37:47 historicist method, since non-Catholic groups
37:50 in general, have abandoned this approach in favor
37:53 of one of the two methods mentioned above," which
37:57 is Preterism and futurism. "The Daniel & Revelation
38:00 Committee wishes to reaffirm to the world
38:03 church the validity of the historicist approach
38:07 to these two apocalyptic books. The committee
38:10 sees it as the only sound method to use." So,
38:15 the Adventist Church is solidly expounding the
38:18 view of historicism." It continues. "The
38:23 committee sees it as the only sound method
38:26 to use. Our pioneers did not follow cunningly-
38:29 devised fables when they searched and preached
38:33 the truths of these prophecies. They have
38:36 passed onto us a rich heritage." Now, while
38:40 not providing a definitive interpretation of the
38:43 trumpets, the committee did establish parameters
38:46 that must be followed in the study of the
38:48 trumpets in the Seventh-day Adventist Church." They
38:51 reached three conclusions, and here they are: "The
38:54 literary structure divides the book of
38:59 Revelation into two major sections: a historical
39:03 section that emphasizes the experience of the
39:06 church and related events during the Christian era"-
39:09 that would be, the churches, the seals, and the trumpets-
39:13 "...and an eschatological"- that means, "end-time"-
39:16 "section that focuses particularly on end-time
39:20 events and the end of the world." That would
39:22 be the series beginning with Revelation chapter 12,
39:26 where you have the introduction of the
39:30 persecution of the 1,260 years, the dragon being
39:33 enraged with the woman; chapter 13, the beast,
39:37 his image, and his mark; Revelation 14, the three
39:39 angels' messages...etc. Secondly, the series
39:44 of the seals and the trumpets occur in the historical
39:48 section of Revelation. Consequently, we should
39:51 seek for the fulfillment, where? In historical
39:56 time! Not in the end time, except for the
39:59 very last two or three trumpets. And finally,
40:02 the prophecies of the seals and of the trumpets
40:06 have only, what? One symbolic fulfillment
40:11 in the course of history. Now, Ellen White warned
40:16 about the dangers of extracting passages
40:21 of Revelation from their legitimate historical
40:24 context. She wrote once to a school teacher by the
40:29 name of John Bale. And actually, she wrote two
40:33 long testimonies to him, and I've only included
40:36 just a small portion of what she wrote to him,
40:40 'cause he was taking prophecies that applied
40:42 to the past, and he was applying them to the
40:44 future. He was taking them out of their legitimate
40:46 historical context. Ellen White warned that we
40:49 need to study each section of Revelation within
40:51 the time period when it was fulfilled. I read from
40:55 Selected Messages, vol. 2, pg. 102. "There have
41:00 been one and another who, in studying their
41:03 Bibles, thought they discovered great light
41:08 and new theories, but these have not been
41:11 correct. The Scripture is all true. However,
41:16 by misapplying the Scripture, men arrive
41:19 at wrong conclusions. We are engaged in a mighty
41:23 conflict, and it will become more close and
41:26 determined as we near the final struggle. We
41:29 have a sleepless adversary." In other words, he suffers
41:33 from insomnia. "And he is constantly at work
41:37 upon human minds that have not had a personal
41:40 experience in the teachings of the people of God
41:44 for the past 50 years." Is it important to go back
41:47 to what was believed originally in the Adventist
41:50 Church? Absolutely. She continues. "Some
41:57 will take the truth applicable to their
41:59 time and place it"-where?- "in the future. Events
42:04 in the train of prophecy that had their fulfillment
42:07 away in the past are made"-what?-"future.
42:10 And thus, by these theories, the faith of some is undermined."
42:16 In another part of this testimony that Ellen
42:19 White wrote to John Bale on pages 102 and 103,
42:24 Ellen White wrote, "From the light that the Lord
42:27 has been pleased to give me, you are in danger of
42:30 doing the same work: presenting before others
42:34 truths which have had their place and done their
42:39 specific work for the time in the history of
42:42 the faith of the people of God. You recognize
42:45 these facts in Bible history as truth, but
42:48 apply them to"-when?- "apply them to the future.
42:52 They have their force still" -where?-"in their proper
42:57 place-in the chain of events that have made
43:01 us, as a people, what we are today. And as
43:05 such, they are to be presented to those who
43:08 are in the darkness of error." Very wise counsel
43:13 from the Spirit of Prophecy. I'm not extracting things
43:16 that apply to the future and making them past,
43:19 not taking things that happened in the past
43:22 and applying them to the future, like some are
43:24 doing with the trumpets. The trumpets had their
43:27 past fulfillment. At least we're now in the
43:30 period of the sixth trumpet. All of this has been fulfilled!
43:34 Only the seventh trumpet is future, now. We should
43:37 not take all of the trumpets and say, "Well, this is
43:40 gonna take place at the very end before the close
43:43 of probation," because it's dislocating what we
43:46 find in the train of prophecy that God has
43:51 given. Now, where does Ellen White place the
43:55 trumpets in the flow of time? Does she make
44:00 them future? Did she believe they were past?
44:03 We have clear evidence that Ellen White believed
44:06 that the sixth trumpet was fulfilled beginning
44:11 in 1844, which means that the first five trumpets
44:14 must have been fulfilled, when? Well, duh! They
44:19 must have been fulfilled before 1844, right?
44:22 You don't have to have the wisdom of King Solomon
44:24 to understand that, or of Albert Einstein.
44:29 Now, what indications do we have in the writings
44:32 of Ellen White that the trumpets have been
44:34 fulfilled to a great? in the past, with the
44:39 exception of the fact that we are now in the
44:41 period of the sixth trumpet, and the seventh
44:44 trumpet is totally future. Well, the expression, "Time
44:49 will be no longer," is in Revelation 10 in the
44:54 context of the sixth trumpet. Now, where
44:57 does Ellen White place that expression, "Time
44:59 will be no longer?" Does she present that as being
45:03 past, or future? Past from our time! Notice
45:07 this statement that we find in Selected Messages,
45:10 vol. 2, pg. 105. "The book that was sealed
45:15 was not the book of Revelation, but that
45:18 portion of the prophecy of Daniel which related
45:22 to the last days." This is talking about Daniel
45:25 12 verse 4- close and seal the book until
45:28 the time of the end. She continues. "The
45:30 Scripture says, 'But thou, O Daniel, shut up
45:33 the words and seal the book, even to the time
45:35 of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and
45:37 knowledge shall be increased.' When the
45:39 book was opened, the proclamation was made,
45:44 'Time shall be no longer.'" That comes from Revelation
45:47 10, which is in the context of the sixth trumpet.
45:52 "The book of Daniel is now unsealed, and the
45:56 Revelation made by Christ to John is to come to all
45:59 the inhabitants of the earth by the increase
46:02 of knowledge of people is to be prepared to
46:04 stand in the latter days." Now, notice the next
46:08 statement. This is on pages 107 and 108 of
46:11 Selected Messages, vol. 2. "The message of Revelation
46:15 14, proclaiming that the hour of God's judgment
46:18 is come, is given in the time of the end, and the
46:22 angel of Revelation 10 is represented as having
46:26 one foot on the sea and one foot on the land,
46:28 showing that the message will be carried to distant
46:31 lands, the ocean will be crossed, and the islands
46:33 of the sea will hear the proclamation of the last
46:36 message of warning to our world, and the angel
46:40 which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the
46:43 earth, lifted up the"- she's quoting Revelation
46:45 10, which is in the context of the sixth
46:47 trumpet, by the way- "'...and the angel which
46:50 I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth
46:52 lifted up his hand to heaven and swore by
46:54 him that liveth forever and ever, who created
46:57 heaven and the things that are therein, and
46:59 the earth and the things that therein are, and the
47:02 sea and the things which are therein that there
47:06 should be time no longer.'" Once again, she's quoting
47:09 Revelation 10, which is in the context of the sixth
47:12 trumpet. And then, she tells us when this was
47:15 fulfilled. "This message announces"-what?-"the
47:19 end of the prophetic periods. The disappointment
47:24 of those who expected to see our Lord in 1844
47:28 was indeed bitter. To those who had so ardently
47:30 looked for His appearing, it was in the Lord's
47:33 order that this disappointment should come and that hearts
47:35 should be"-what?-"should be revealed." So, when
47:40 does Ellen White place the expression, "Time
47:42 will be no longer"? What date? 1844.
47:46 So, do we project the sixth trumpet to the
47:49 future? No! The sixth trumpet, Ellen White
47:54 explains, is in the context of Revelation
47:57 10, in the past, in 1844. Notice that the seven
48:02 thunders that are mentioned in Revelation 10- the seven
48:05 thunders... We don't have time to talk about
48:09 the seven thunders now; we will talk about them
48:11 a little bit later in this class. Ellen White speaks
48:14 about the seven thunders, which are also in Revelation
48:17 10 in the context of the sixth trumpet. The special
48:21 light given to John, which was expressed in the
48:23 seven thunders, was a delineation of events
48:27 which would transpire under the first and second
48:29 angels' messages. It was not best for the
48:32 people to know these things, for their faith must necessarily
48:35 be tested. In the order of God, most wonderful
48:39 and advanced truths would be proclaimed. The first
48:42 and second angels' messages were to be proclaimed
48:45 but no further light was to be revealed before
48:48 these messages had done their specific work.
48:51 This is represented by the angel's standing
48:53 with one foot on the sea, proclaiming with the most
48:55 solemn oath that time should be no longer.
48:58 She's referring to Revelation- many different phrases
49:01 that are in Revelation 10- sixth trumpet. She ends
49:04 the statement by saying this: "This time, which
49:08 the angel declares with a solemn oath"-that is,
49:11 time will be no longer- "is not the end of this
49:14 world's history. Neither of probationary time,
49:18 but of prophetic time, which should precede
49:21 the Advent of our Lord." That is, the people will
49:25 not have another message upon definite time. After
49:29 this period of time, reaching from 1842 to 1844,
49:34 there can be no definite tracing of the prophetic
49:38 time. Is that clear? So, Revelation 10 is in
49:44 the context of the sixth trumpet. So, when is the
49:46 sixth trumpet beginning its fulfillment? It's beginning
49:49 its fulfillment in 1844. When do you hear the
49:54 seven thunders? We'll find that the seven thunders
49:56 are events that took place between 1842 and 1844!
50:01 So, clearly, the sixth trumpet began in the
50:05 past, and it continues as we will see in the present.
50:08 You can't extract this and say, "No, it's right
50:11 before the close of probation at the end of time." Or, "It's
50:13 after the close of probation!" It would make absolutely
50:16 no sense. Also, you remember the bittersweet book in
50:21 Revelation 10, which is in the context of the sixth trumpet?
50:24 It was sweet in the mouth and bitter in the stomach?
50:27 To when does Ellen White apply that, which is found
50:29 in Revelation 10, in the context of the sixth trumpet?
50:32 Notice the next statement that we find at the bottom
50:36 of page 11. This is Life Sketches pg. 189.
50:41 "The waiting people of God approach the hour when
50:46 they fondly hoped their joys would be complete
50:49 in the coming of the Saviour." That's 1844.
50:53 "However, the time again passed unmarked by the
50:56 Advent of Jesus. Mortality still clung to us. The effects
51:00 of the curse were all around us. It was hard
51:03 to take up the vexing cares of life that we
51:06 thought had been laid down forever." A bitter what?
51:11 "A bitter disappointment fell upon the little flock whose
51:15 faith had been so strong and whose hope had been
51:18 so high, but we were surprised that we felt
51:20 so free in the Lord and were so strongly sustained
51:24 by His strength and grace." When was the bitter disappointment?
51:27 When did that take place? Is that some event that's
51:29 gonna take place right before the close of probation
51:32 or after the close of probation? Absolutely
51:35 not! It occurs when the sixth trumpet is beginning,
51:39 'cause chapter 10 is in the context of the sixth trumpet!
51:43 Are you following me? Now, Ellen White also
51:46 plays- says the 1,260 days and 42 months of
51:50 Revelation 11, which is also in the context
51:54 of the sixth trumpet, she places those events
51:58 in the context of the sixth trumpet. Ellen White
52:03 understood that the papacy fulfilled the 1,260 days
52:06 and the 42 months of Revelation 11, which is an interlude in
52:10 the sixth trumpet. She believed that these events,
52:15 the 1,260 days and the 42 months, occurred from
52:19 538 to 1798, and that the second part of Revelation
52:26 11 was fulfilled in the French Revolution, and
52:30 Revelation 11 is in the context of the sixth trumpet!
52:35 Marvin Moore and others believed that we must
52:37 reapply the symbolic 42 months and 1,260 days
52:40 and reinterpret them as literal future time. Ellen
52:45 White, however, explicitly wrote that the 42 months
52:49 covered the same period as the 1,260 days, and
52:53 that both periods apply to the period of papal
52:56 supremacy during the Dark Ages. She also did
53:00 a verse-by-verse analysis of Revelation 11 and interpreted
53:04 it from a historicist perspective as applying
53:07 to the French Revolution. Are you with me or not?
53:10 Past events. Let's read this particular statement
53:15 here. This is found in the book Great Controversy,
53:18 pg. 439. The periods here mentioned 42 months
53:23 and a 1,203 score? days are the same,
53:27 "...alike representing the time in which the
53:30 church of Christ was to suffer oppression
53:32 from Rome. The 1,260 years of papal supremacy
53:36 began in 538 and would therefore terminate in 1798."
53:41 So, Revelation chapter 11, when it mentions the 1,260
53:44 days and 42 months, is that describing past events?
53:49 Yes! She continues. At that time, a French army
53:53 entered Rome and made the pope a prisoner, and
53:55 he died in exile. Though a new pope was soon after
53:58 already elected, the papal hierarchy has never since
54:01 been able to wield the power which it before
54:05 possessed. Then she continues even more
54:08 explicitly. "Power was given unto him to continue 42 months,"
54:11 and says the prophet, "'I saw one of his heads
54:14 as it were wounded to death.'" Again, she's quoting
54:18 Scripture. "'And he that leadeth into captivity
54:20 shall go into captivity. He that killeth with the
54:22 sword must be killed with the sword.' The 42
54:25 months are the same as the time times and dividing
54:29 of time three years and a half, or 1,260 days
54:33 in Daniel 7"-clear?- "the time during which
54:38 the papal power was to oppress God's people.
54:40 This period has stated in preceding chapters
54:42 began with the supremacy of the papacy A.D. 538
54:46 and terminated in 1798. At that time, the pope
54:51 was made captive by the French army, the papal
54:54 power received its deadly wound, and the prediction
54:57 was fulfilled. 'He that leadeth into captivity
54:59 shall go into captivity.'" So, Ellen White places
55:03 Revelation 10 and 11, which is in the context
55:06 of the sixth trumpet, as beginning in the past!
55:10 Events in 1844. And, also, events that occurred during
55:14 the 1,260 years of papal supremacy, as well as
55:18 the French Revolution. Now, finally, Ellen White
55:22 applies the measuring of the temple, which is
55:23 also Revelation chapter- really, it should be part
55:27 of Revelation chapter 10, but it's in Revelation
55:30 chapter 11 verse 1. The measuring of the temple
55:33 of Revelation 11 verse 1, which is in the context
55:36 of the sixth trumpet, Ellen White applies that
55:38 to what began in 1844. Once again, she's applying
55:42 the sixth trumpet to the past. I read this very
55:45 quickly. "The grand judgment is taking place
55:47 and has been going on for some time. Now, the
55:51 Lord says measure the temple and the worshipers
55:53 thereof. Remember when you are walking the streets
55:57 about your business, God is measuring you.
55:59 When you are attending your household duties,
56:01 when you engage in conversation, God is
56:04 measuring you." In other words, He's judging you.
56:06 "Remember that your words and actions are being
56:09 daguerreotyped"-that's an old English word for
56:12 "photographed"-"in the books of heaven as the
56:15 artist on the polished plate reproduces the
56:19 face. Here is the work going on, measuring the
56:24 temple and its worshipers to see who will stand in
56:27 the last day. Those who stand fast shall have an
56:31 abundant entrance into the kingdom of our Lord
56:33 and Savior Jesus Christ. When we are doing our
56:36 work, remember. There is one that is watching
56:39 the spirit in which we are doing it. Shall we
56:42 not bring the Saviour into our everyday lives,
56:45 into our secular work and domestic duties?
56:47 Then, in the name of God, we want to leave behind
56:51 everything that is not necessary, all gossiping
56:53 or unprofitable visiting, and present ourselves
56:57 as servants of the living God." So, when it says,
57:02 "measure the temple", is that something that's
57:04 gonna happen in the future, or is that something that
57:06 began in 1844 and continues to this day? We are still
57:11 in the period of the sixth trumpet, in other
57:13 words. Well, we are going to stop our first session
57:18 here. And when we get together for our second
57:23 session, we are going to finish this chapter on
57:26 introductory matters relating to the trumpets.
57:29 We'll begin at the bottom of page 13, "The Relationship
57:33 Between the Seals and the Trumpets". So, we're
57:39 gonna go back and take a look at the seals, and
57:41 we're going to see how important that is as it
57:45 relates to the seven trumpets. So, don't miss
57:48 the next exciting episode.
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