Revelation's Seven Trumpets

Lesson 8 - Matthew, Luke & the Times of the Gentiles

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00:01 [foreboding music]
00:16 Welcome back! For the afternoon session.
00:20 Good to see you all. Have you gotten your
00:22 oranges today? [Yes.] Popcorn? [laughter]
00:28 Don't forget about coming tomorrow; there might
00:30 be another surprise. You never know.
00:33 We are going to study lesson or chapter #8.
00:39 Chapter #8 - it's page 211. How many of you
00:46 read this chapter? [raises hand]
00:52 Ehh... 5 or 6. That's not a bad percentage
00:56 out of 40. [laughs with audience] But anyway,
01:00 let's have a word of prayer to begin the
01:02 session this afternoon, and then we'll get right
01:05 into this lesson. Father in heaven, thank You
01:08 for the good time of rest that we've been
01:11 able to have between the morning session and
01:14 the afternoon session. We thank You that we
01:16 are able to come back to open Your Word in
01:20 a time where the world is in turmoil over this
01:25 virus that can cause what even wars can't
01:29 cause. We are comforted by Your Word, that You're
01:33 sitting on the throne... Everything is under Your
01:36 control. And we know that we commit our
01:39 lives to You, You will be with us all the way
01:43 till the end. So we ask that as we continue to
01:45 study, that Your Holy Spirit will be present
01:48 with us to enlighten our minds and open
01:50 our hearts. We want to understand Your Word
01:54 so that we can share it with others. So be
01:57 with us, Lord; bless us and keep us in
02:00 Your care. We pray in Jesus' precious name.
02:04 Amen. All right. You say, "Why are we gonna
02:10 take a look at Matthew and Luke?" Well, because
02:15 Matthew and Luke are related to Revelation
02:17 chapter 11 and verse 2. So, we have to take a
02:20 look at that, as well. So let's go to page 211.
02:26 A study of the two witnesses of Revelation
02:29 11 would not be complete unless we take some time
02:35 to study parallel passages in Matthew 24 and Luke
02:41 chapter 21. These chapters bear directly on what we
02:46 have been studying in the last couple of sessions.
02:50 So, let's go to Matthew chapter 24. I want you
02:54 to notice that in this chapter, there are four
02:58 sequential signs. There are several signs, but
03:01 four that I want to focus on. The first
03:05 sign is the destruction of earthly Jerusalem.
03:11 We find that in verses 15-20. Now, you're
03:14 gonna have to read the verses at your leisure
03:18 to follow along. I can only give you the summary
03:20 now. The second sign that is mentioned in
03:23 Matthew chapter 24 is a period of tribulation.
03:28 The third sign that is mentioned is signs in
03:31 the sun and in the moon. By the way, the period
03:35 of tribulation is described in verses 21-28. The signs
03:40 in the sun and moon are described in verse 29.
03:44 And then the final sign is that the powers in
03:48 the heavens will be shaken when the Son of man appears.
03:53 So, those are the four central signs of Matthew
03:58 24. The destruction of earthly Jerusalem,
04:01 a period of tribulation, signs in the sun and moon,
04:06 and the powers in the heavens are shaken
04:09 when the Son of man appears. Now, when you
04:13 compare the parallel passage in Luke- because
04:16 Luke 21 describes the same basic ideas of
04:19 Matthew 24. When you go to Luke 21, there
04:22 appear to be only three signs and not four. What
04:28 are the three signs? The destruction of earthly
04:32 Jerusalem-that's verses 20-24-signs in the sun,
04:38 moon, and stars-that's verse 25-and the powers
04:42 of heaven will be shaken at the coming of the Son
04:45 of man-that's verses 25 and 26. So the
04:50 question is, which sign is missing in Luke that
04:54 is found in Matthew 24? It is the tribulation sign.
05:01 Luke does not mention any tribulation sign.
05:05 However, the question is, is the tribulation really
05:09 missing in Luke chapter 21? The answer is no.
05:15 Luke simply describes the tribulation sign
05:19 differently than Matthew does. Basically, the
05:25 tribulation sign is described in Luke
05:27 as the Gentiles trampling the Holy City. Now you
05:33 see the reason why this is related to Revelation
05:36 11:2, because you have a trampling of the Holy
05:40 City. Now, let's go to our next section.
05:44 This is page 212. One thing is clear: From the first
05:50 part of Luke 21 and verse 24- in fact, let's go
05:54 there now and read that verse, Luke 21:24,
06:00 and let's see what fact is clear there in this
06:05 particular verse. It says there, "And they,"
06:10 this is the Jews... [reads text on-screen]
06:22 And you'll notice in the New King James
06:23 Version, there's a period there, right? Which
06:26 makes the separation. So...[repeats beginning of text]
06:36 And then I want you to notice the second part
06:38 of the verse. [continues latter half]
06:50 Does that have any relationship with Revelation
06:53 11:2? Very clearly. Instead of 42 months,
06:58 you have the expression, "the times of the Gentiles,"
07:00 right? And you have a mention of Jerusalem,
07:03 also. So, you'll notice here in Luke chapter
07:08 21 and verse 24 that you have the literal
07:13 destruction of the literal city of Jerusalem
07:16 and its literal temple in the first half of
07:20 Matthew chapter 21 and verse 24. This is the
07:23 part where it says, "And they will fall
07:25 by the edge of the sword and be led away captive
07:29 into all nations." Period. On the other hand, the
07:34 second part of Luke 21:24 describes the trampling
07:41 of spiritual Jerusalem by spiritual Gentiles
07:46 during a symbolic period. In other words, Luke 21:24
07:53 is speaking about two trampling's of Jerusalem.
07:57 The first refers to literal Jerusalem.
08:00 The second half of the verse refers to spiritual
08:04 Jerusalem. Now, let's notice what principle
08:09 we are applying here. Louis Weir, -[whom]
08:14 has some really, really fantastic material.
08:17 We have many books of his here at Secrets
08:20 Unsealed in our store- expresses this principle
08:25 of how we can say that Matthew 21:24, the
08:29 first half of the verse, describes the literal
08:31 destruction of Jerusalem, whereas the second half
08:34 describes the period of the trampling of spiritual
08:38 Jerusalem by the Gentiles for 42 months. Here's
08:44 the principle: In his book, The King of the
08:47 North at Jerusalem, pg. 75, he wrote, "When
08:50 passing over into the Christian era, there is
08:55 an automatic transition from," what? "From literal
09:00 to spiritual Babylon." Is Revelation's Babylon
09:03 the literal city over in Iraq? No! Of course
09:07 not. It is a spiritual global system, right?
09:11 The harlot is seated on many waters. All
09:14 nations, tongues, and multitudes follow the
09:16 harlot. Babylon at the end of time is global.
09:20 In the Old Testament, when Israel is God's
09:23 literal people, Babylon is what? Literal. Very
09:27 important principle. The statement continues,
09:29 "When passing over into the Christian era, there
09:32 is an automatic transition from literal to spiritual
09:35 Babylon, from literal to spiritual," what?
09:39 "Jerusalem, from literal lands of Israel and
09:43 Babylon to their spiritual antitypes." What is a
09:48 spiritual antitype of Babylon? The papacy.
09:53 What is the spiritual antitype of Jerusalem?
09:57 Duh, the saints of the Most High. Aren't those the
10:01 two enemies in Daniel 7? In Revelation 13? Absolutely!
10:06 So, what is Jerusalem in the period of the
10:10 Christian church? It's the church! What is
10:14 Jerusalem when Jerusalem was destroyed by the
10:17 Romans? It is literal Jerusalem. So if we're
10:20 dealing with literal Jerusalem, Jerusalem
10:22 is literal; if we're dealing with spiritual
10:24 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, of course, is symbolic.
10:29 Are you understanding the principle? By the
10:33 way, when did probation close for the literal
10:35 Jewish nation? In the year 34 when Stephen
10:38 was stoned. There, you transition to what? To
10:42 the Christian church, which is now Jerusalem.
10:45 Not literal Jerusalem- symbolic, or spiritual,
10:49 Jerusalem. Now, let's go to the bottom of
10:51 page 212. "When the second part of Luke 21:24
10:56 describes the trampling of Jerusalem, it is not
11:00 referring to," what? "To the physical city
11:03 of brick and mortar. Jesus is," what?
11:07 "Personifying the city." He's treating the city
11:11 as a person, in other words. Notice the following
11:14 text that used the word 'Jerusalem' to refer to
11:17 the people in the city. 2 Kings 24:14-15.
11:25 Speaking about Nebuchadnezzar when he conquered Jerusalem,
11:29 it says, "And he carried into captivity all Jerusalem."
11:35 Wow, pretty difficult to transfer the whole
11:37 physical city to Babylon, right? What does it
11:40 mean when it says, "He carried into captivity
11:43 all Jerusalem"? It's the people of Jerusalem.
11:46 All the captains. You have the definition.
11:49 All the "mighty men of valor," 10,000 captives,
11:53 and all the craftsmen and smiths! None remained
11:56 except the poorest people of the land. So, Jerusalem
11:59 is defined as the what? As the people that lived
12:02 in the city. Jesus in Luke 19:41-44 said
12:08 something similar. Jesus is descending the Mount
12:11 of Olives to Jerusalem to enter the temple
12:13 for the final times of His ministry, and we're
12:18 told there, "Now as He drew near, He saw the
12:21 city and wept over it, saying, 'If you had
12:25 known, even you"... Who is He talking to?
12:30 The city! Can a city really hear what He's
12:35 saying? Once again, Jerusalem refers to
12:39 what? To the inhabitants. "Now as He drew near,
12:44 He saw the city and wept over it, saying,
12:46 'If you had known, even you, especially this in
12:48 your day, the things that make for your
12:51 peace. However, now they are hidden from your eyes,
12:54 for days will come upon you when your enemies
12:56 will build an embankment around you, surround
13:00 you, and close you in on every side and
13:03 level you and your children within you"...
13:06 So it's not only the physical city, but what?
13:10 The children that live there. "Your children within you
13:13 to the ground, and they will not leave in you
13:16 one stone upon another, because you did not know
13:20 the time of your visitation." So what is Jerusalem?
13:26 In the Old Testament, Jerusalem is the population
13:30 of Jerusalem. In the church age, what is
13:33 Jerusalem? It is the members of the Christian
13:37 church; it is globalized, if you please. Notice
13:41 also Matthew 23:37-39. Once again, Jesus
13:45 personifies Jerusalem. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem..."
13:49 [continues reading text on-screen]
14:00 So it's the children, right? That is the city.
14:02 [continues reading text]
14:10 -he's speaking about Jerusalem-
14:12 [continues text]
14:21 So far so good? Clear? Okay. Now, let's go to
14:26 the four key elements in Luke 21:24, the
14:32 second half of the verse, and Revelation 11:2.
14:35 What do these two verses have in common? Is there
14:39 a mention of Jerusalem in both? Yes. Is there
14:43 a mention of trampling in both? Yes. Is there
14:47 a mention of Gentiles in both? [Yes.] Is there
14:51 a mention of times in both? Yes. In Luke,
14:57 it is the times of the Gentiles, whereas in
15:00 the book of Revelation it is specified as what?
15:04 42 months. So what are the times of the Gentiles?
15:08 The times of the Gentiles are 42 months. Now let's
15:12 notice Revelation 11:2-3. This is what we already
15:17 studied earlier today. [reads text on-screen]
15:25 "For it has been given," is the usual way that
15:29 it was translated, but we notice that the
15:32 better translation is what? "For it was given
15:36 to the Gentiles." When was it given to the Gentiles?
15:39 In what year? In the year 538. "It was given
15:44 to the Gentiles," and what would the Gentiles
15:46 do after 538? "And they will tread the Holy City"-
15:51 what is the Holy City? [Jerusalem.] Yeah,
15:55 Jerusalem. What kind of Jerusalem? [Spiritual.]
15:58 Spiritual Jerusalem, because here, we're
16:00 in the Christian age. We're no longer dealing
16:03 with literal Israel; we're dealing with the
16:05 Christian age. Now let's read, once again, Revelation
16:08 11:2-3. "However, leave out the court which is
16:12 outside the temple and do not measure it, for
16:14 it was given to the Gentiles, and they
16:17 will tread the Holy City underfoot for 42 months,
16:21 and I will give power to my two witnesses,
16:24 and they will prophesy 1,260 days, clothed in
16:28 sackcloth." Are the 42 months and the 1,260
16:31 days the same period? [Yes.] Yes, they are
16:34 the same period. Now, here comes the key
16:37 point: When John wrote Revelation 11:2, at the
16:42 end of the first century, it is believed that John
16:46 wrote the book of Revelation around the year 95 A.D.
16:50 When was the city of Jerusalem destroyed?
16:53 In the year 70, so the city had already been
16:55 destroyed-for how long? At least for 25 years.
16:59 So when John wrote Revelation 11:2, at the end of the
17:02 first century, the Romans had destroyed the literal
17:05 city of Jerusalem and it had been in ruins
17:08 for 25 years. So can Revelation 11:2 apply
17:12 to literal Jerusalem? No! The Gentiles had
17:17 already taken the Jews captive, so this cannot
17:21 refer to the trampling of the literal city of
17:24 Jerusalem in the year 70 A.D. Even the literal
17:31 treading down of the outer sanctuary had
17:33 taken place more than 42 months before John's
17:37 time. So even if you take the 42 months
17:39 as being literal, that doesn't amount to 25
17:42 years, implying that the number was what?
17:47 It can't be a literal number, because Jerusalem
17:50 was destroyed 25 years before. So even if you
17:53 say "42 months before John wrote," that's
17:56 only three-and-a-half years...so it doesn't
17:58 square. So once again, even the literal treading
18:01 down of the outer sanctuary had taken place
18:04 more than 42 months before John's time,
18:07 implying-this is the proof of the year/day principle-
18:10 implying that the number was what? Symbolic for
18:13 the whole period from its devastation in some
18:17 sense until it's what? Until its restoration.
18:22 So, Revelation 11:2 contains the very same
18:26 four elements that Jesus mentioned in Luke 21:24-
18:31 the second half of the verse. Holy City-Jerusalem-
18:35 trampling, Gentiles, and 42 months (refers
18:40 to times of the Gentiles). Are we on a good track
18:43 here? Good. Now, who are the Gentiles that
18:47 are mentioned here? Remember we talked
18:49 about the Gentiles this morning? Remember we
18:51 read from Albert Barnes, the Bible commentator?
18:54 Who did he say the Gentiles were? The
18:57 Roman Catholic papacy, and he was right on
18:59 target, wasn't he? Who are the Gentiles, and
19:03 what does the word 'Jerusalem' mean? We
19:06 have already pointed out that Jerusalem during
19:08 the Christian dispensation refers to God's faithful
19:12 church. We did that this morning. And 'Gentiles'
19:16 refers to those who are enemies of Christ's
19:20 faithful church. And then you can read all of these
19:23 texts that we have here; we don't have time to
19:26 read all of these texts, but I hope that when
19:28 you get home, you'll sit down and read all
19:31 of these verses that I have in parentheses.
19:33 We just can't go through all of them. Next paragraph.
19:37 In Revelation 11:1, the angel told John to measure
19:42 what? The temple and those who worship in
19:45 it. Now we're going- Revelation 11:1, does
19:49 that belong with chapter 11? [No.] No. What does
19:52 it belong with? Revelation chapter 10. It's the
19:56 conclusion to Revelation 10. You say, "How do
19:59 you know that?" Well, let me just summarize;
20:01 we're gonna study Revelation 10 in detail. Revelation
20:04 10 ends by the angel telling John, "You must
20:10 prophesy again to nations, tongues, peoples, and
20:13 kings." Okay? And then, in the very next verse,
20:17 you have the measuring of the temple. Are you
20:21 following the sequence? So, the Great Disappointment
20:27 in 1844, the experience that was sweet and then
20:32 turned bitter, God says, "You must prophesy again,"
20:37 of course with new understanding. So what
20:40 began immediately after the Great Disappointment?
20:43 What great insight did Hiram Edson have the
20:45 very next day as he was crossing a field with
20:50 one of his friends? He says, "I saw distinctly
20:54 and clearly that instead of Jesus coming to the
20:57 earth on October 22, 1844, he entered from the Holy
21:00 to the Most Holy Place. Is that measuring the
21:04 temple? So does Revelation 11:1 belong with chapter
21:10 10? Yeah! It speaks about what we are to prophesy
21:14 again about. We're supposed to prophesy
21:16 again about the measuring of the temple, which
21:19 is the judgment. The hour of His judgment
21:22 has come - the first angel's message. Are
21:25 we going okay? Now, in Revelation 11:1, the angel
21:31 told John to measure the temple and those who
21:33 worship in it, but not to measure the court
21:36 because it was given to the Gentiles for 42
21:40 months. When John wrote the book of Revelation,
21:44 Rome had already destroyed the literal temple, and
21:47 the literal Jews had been scattered among the
21:49 nations. This means that the temple referred to
21:52 here must be the one where? It must be the
21:57 one in heaven. And the worshipers must be those
22:01 who worship there what? Spiritually. Let me ask
22:05 you: Can we worship in heaven? Can we come
22:09 boldly to the throne of grace in heaven? [Yes.]
22:12 Can we enter the sanctuary in heaven? [Yes.] How?
22:15 By faith! Spiritually, we get into it. Spiritual
22:20 Jerusalem can worship in heaven, by faith.
22:25 So, basically, we are to understand that the
22:28 temple is the heavenly sanctuary literally,
22:32 and the church, what? Symbolically or spiritually.
22:39 Now, there's not only a link between Revelation
22:43 11:2-3 and Luke 21:24, the second half of the
22:51 verse. There's also a link between Revelation
22:54 11:2-3 and Daniel 7 and 8. This is where it's
22:59 gonna become even clearer. Let's pursue that.
23:03 According to Revelation 11:2, the trampling of
23:07 the city occurs for a period of how long?
23:10 42 months, also described in the next verse-that
23:14 is, verse 3-as what? 1,260 days. Don't forget
23:21 this. So, are the 1,260 days and the 42 months
23:26 the same period expressed with different terminology?
23:29 Yes. Now notice - this links the 42 months of
23:34 verse 2 with the 1,260 days of verse 3. I'm
23:39 gonna go slow, because this is critically important.
23:41 Furthermore-even more- it links Revelation 11:2-3
23:48 with the 1,260 days of Revelation what? 12:14.
23:54 Let's go there to Revelation chapter 12 and verse 14.
23:59 So is there a connection between Revelation 11:2-3,
24:03 Luke 21:24-the second half of the verse-and
24:08 Revelation 12:14? Yes. Let's notice Revelation 12
24:13 and verse 14. Here, the dragon is pursuing the
24:18 woman. For how long? Well, let's read. "But
24:24 the woman..." [text resumes on-screen]
24:37 Now, let's go back to verse 6. [reads text]
24:50 Is that the same period as Revelation 11:2-3?
24:54 [Yes.] Is it the times of the Gentiles? Absolutely!
24:59 Now, let's continue here. Does Revelation
25:03 13:5 also mention 42 months, which are
25:07 mentioned there in Revelation 11:2-3?
25:11 Let's go to Revelation chapter 13 - Revelation
25:14 chapter 13 and let's read verse 5. This is
25:17 speaking about the beast. What is the beast? The
25:22 papacy. What is the little horn? The papacy.
25:26 Now, notice Revelation 13:5. "And he," that is,
25:31 the beast... [resumes text on-screen]
25:43 So notice the verses here where we have
25:46 the bullet points. 42 months (Revelation 11:2),
25:50 1,260 days (Revelation 11:3), 1,260 days (Revelation 12:14),
25:58 42 months (Revelation 13:5)... and did you notice we
26:03 have "time, times, and the dividing of time," also
26:06 there in Revelation chapter 12? Where do we find that
26:09 also? In Daniel 7:25. So here's my question:
26:15 Is Revelation 11:2-3, Luke 21:24-the second
26:23 part of the verse-Revelation 12:6 & 14, Revelation
26:29 13:5, Daniel 7:25... Are those verses addressing
26:36 the very same powers? [Yes.] Yes! So now,
26:41 you have a very interesting issue, because once again,
26:45 the importance of the literary structure.
26:48 Revelation chapter 12, for example, mentions
26:50 that the dragon who persecutes the woman
26:53 for time, times, and the dividing of time -
26:55 that's 538 to 1798. But now, wait a minute-
26:59 didn't we, in chapter 11, study about the
27:01 French Revolution? Well, that's in the 1790s!
27:07 So is Revelation 11 and 12 in chronological order?
27:11 [No.] They're not in chronological order!
27:13 What is Revelation 12 doing? It is now going
27:16 to go back, and it's going to amplify some
27:18 details that we have in Revelation 11. Revelation
27:22 13 mentions the 42 months, so there's still something
27:24 to say in Revelation 13 that wasn't said in Revelation
27:28 12 that wasn't said in Revelation 11! Are you
27:31 following me? This is the importance of the literary
27:34 structure of the book of Revelation. Now,
27:37 let's continue. Middle of the page, pg. 215.
27:40 In order to understand Revelation 11:2-3,
27:43 we must go back to the Old Testament roots of
27:47 this prophecy, and we find those roots where?
27:50 In Daniel 7:21 and 25, Daniel 8:11-13, and
27:57 Daniel 11:31-35. In these verses, we find a power
28:03 that tramples underfoot what? It tramples underfoot
28:09 the temple of God its true worshipers not
28:14 by the Roman Empire, but by what? By a
28:19 rebellious little horn that introduced an
28:22 idolatrous Christian worship that caused
28:25 desolation. Let's go to Daniel chapter 8 for a
28:29 moment, where the little horn is described. Daniel
28:32 chapter 8. Is there an idea of trampling in Daniel
28:38 chapter 8? Yes! The little horn. Is that the
28:42 same little horn as Daniel 7? Yes. So notice Daniel
28:46 chapter 7, and let's read beginning with
28:49 verse 11. "He even exalted himself as high as the
28:53 Prince of the host." Who is the Prince of
28:55 the host? Jesus. "And by him"-by the little
28:59 horn-"the daily was taken away." What
29:03 is the daily? It's the continual ministration
29:06 of Jesus first in the court on earth, and
29:09 then in the Holy Place of the sanctuary. So,
29:13 is this work that the little horn is doing
29:15 having something to do with the sanctuary?
29:17 Absolutely! It continues, "And the place of his
29:20 sanctuary was cast down. Because of the transgression,
29:24 an army was given over to the horn to oppose
29:27 the daily, and he cast the truth to the ground.
29:31 He did this all and," what? "He did this all and
29:36 prospered." So, let's go down to verse 13.
29:42 "And I heard a holy one speaking, and another
29:44 one said to that certain one who was speaking,
29:48 'How long will the vision be concerning the daily
29:50 sacrifices, the giving of both sanctuary and
29:53 the host to be,'" what? "'To be trampled underfoot.'"
29:59 So does the little horn in Daniel 8 trample
30:01 underfoot the sanctuary and the Prince and the host?
30:05 Yes. In Revelation 11:2-3, is that what happens
30:09 also? Trampling of Jerusalem for the
30:12 times of the Gentiles? Absolutely! Are all of
30:16 these prophecies interrelated? They most certainly are.
30:20 Now, let's go to the next point. According to
30:24 Daniel 7:21 and 25, this little horn blasphemed
30:29 God and persecuted His people for time, times,
30:34 and the dividing of time. So, let's consider the
30:37 historical framework of the little horn's
30:40 work in Daniel 7. First of all, you have what
30:43 in Daniel 7? You have a lion, which represents
30:47 which kingdom? Babylon. Then you have a bear -
30:51 the Medes and Persians. Then you have a leopard -
30:54 Greece. Then you have a dragon beast - Rome.
30:58 Then the dragon beast sprouts ten horns. That
31:02 is what came as a result of the barbarian invasions,
31:06 the divisions of the Roman Empire. And then
31:09 once the divisions are there... This is well into
31:13 the Christian period, isn't it? Because Rome
31:16 by this point has fallen; the kingdom has been
31:20 divided into ten kingdoms. You have a little horn
31:23 that rises, and then how long does that little horn
31:26 rule? Time, times, and the dividing of time.
31:29 Let's read it: Daniel 7:25. "The little horn shall
31:33 speak pompous words against the Most High."
31:35 [text continues on-screen]
31:47 So let me ask you, is Daniel 7:25 connected
31:51 with Revelation 11:2-3? [Yes.] How about Revelation
31:56 12:6 and 14? [Yes.] How about Revelation
32:00 13:5? [Yes.] How about Luke 21:24, the second
32:05 part of the verse? They're all linked! They're all
32:08 describing the identical same period. Let's continue
32:12 here. Immediately after the nefarious work of
32:15 the little horn, what begins in Daniel 7?
32:24 The judgment sits, and the books are opened.
32:29 So immediately after the rule of the little
32:30 horn, what begins? The judgment. The Father
32:35 sits on His throne, and then the Son comes to
32:39 the Father to receive His what? To receive
32:42 His kingdom. What is His kingdom? The
32:45 people had belonged to the kingdom. How does
32:47 He determine which people belong to His
32:49 kingdom? He has to do a judgment. So notice,
32:53 immediately after the work of the little horn,
32:56 you have the judgment. So what would you expect
33:00 after the 1,260 days, or the 42 months, on
33:04 which the Gentiles trampled upon Jerusalem?
33:09 What would you expect next? Do you have to
33:14 be King Solomon to figure it out? [laughter] No!
33:17 You would expect the judgment, right? So,
33:20 does Revelation chapter 11 tell us that after the
33:24 period of the rule of the little horn, the temple
33:27 was gonna be measured? Absolutely! So the
33:30 sequence is the same. So, let's continue here.
33:34 Immediately after the nefarious work of the
33:36 little horn, the judgment in the heavenly temple
33:38 begins! This order of events is very similar
33:41 to Revelation 11:1-3, where the measuring of
33:45 the heavenly "naos"- that's the temple-
33:47 follows the trampling of Jerusalem for 42
33:50 months. So, the little horn rules time, times,
33:54 and the dividing of time... After that, the judgment.
33:57 In Revelation chapter 11, the Gentiles trampled
34:00 Jerusalem for 42 months. After that, the measuring
34:02 of the temple. You know, our idea of the investigative
34:06 judgment is not some invention by Ellen G.
34:09 White, like many of these magazines on
34:15 the fringes of Adventism say - not to mention them
34:19 because this is gonna be broadcast on television.
34:21 I don't want to give them any free advertisement.
34:23 [laughter] These verses prove that the measuring
34:29 of the temple follows the trampling of the
34:31 City, and not vice versa. Is my translation
34:34 correct? "Was given to the Gentiles" in the light
34:37 of everything we're studying? Absolutely.
34:40 Now, continuing. Daniel 8 further amplifies the
34:43 nefarious work of the little horn power by
34:45 specifically saying that it trampled what?
34:50 The sanctuary and the host, language very
34:54 similar to what? To Revelation 11:2-3.
34:59 Daniel 8 describes two distinct stages of the
35:02 little horn power. One stage is horizontal
35:06 and the other, vertical. You see, the little horn-
35:08 there's only one little horn in Daniel 8 that
35:10 illustrates both Rome's: pagan Rome and papal
35:13 Rome. At first, the little horn is conquering
35:17 geographically-horizontally. But then, at some point,
35:22 the little horn morphs. It morphs into a power
35:26 that attacks heaven. Let's read the verses.
35:29 Daniel 8:9. And out of one of them, out of
35:32 the four wins, into which the kingdom of Alexander
35:38 the Great was divided. [text on-screen]
35:46 Does this have anything to do with an attack
35:48 against heaven? No. Notice verses 10-13.
35:52 We just read that. [text on-screen]
36:02 Could this be, possibly, the reason why a third
36:05 of the stars were eclipsed? [reads text on-screen]
36:13 In other words, he even attacks Jesus and His
36:15 ministry in the sanctuary! "And by him"-that is,
36:17 by the little horn"-
36:19 the daily was taken away, which is the
36:21 ministration of Jesus in the Holy Place...
36:23 [finishes off text]
36:27 "...an army was given"- this is a state, by the way.
36:30 [resumes text on-screen]
36:39 How long did it prosper? 42 months; 1,260 days;
36:45 the times of the Gentiles; time, times, and the
36:48 dividing of time. Continues saying in verse 13...
36:52 [reads text on-screen]
37:07 What is the answer? Unto 2,300 days, then
37:10 the sanctuary would be cleansed. In other words,
37:12 the judgment will what? The judgment will begin.
37:17 Revelation 13 verses 1 and 2 and verses
37:19 5 through 7 also mention the 42 months. There,
37:23 the beast persecutes the saints, blasphemes
37:26 the heavenly tabernacle and those who dwell
37:29 in heaven. Is that parallel to Daniel 8?
37:34 Did the little horn of Daniel 8 persecute God's
37:37 people, the saints? Yes. Did it blaspheme
37:40 the heavenly tabernacle? Revelation 13 says that!
37:45 The sequence of powers is identical to the one
37:48 in Daniel 7-lion, bear, leopard, dragon, ten
37:52 horns, and beast-whereas in the Old Testament, it was
37:55 lion, bear, leopard, dragon, ten horns, and little horn.
38:00 Little horn was the same as the beast.
38:03 The inevitable conclusion is that this Jerusalem
38:06 that is described in Revelation 11:2-3
38:09 is the Christian era- it's taking place in the
38:13 Christian era-after the demise of what? Of the
38:17 Roman Empire. So, are we dealing with literal
38:19 Jerusalem in the second half of Luke 21:24?
38:24 No. It is another Jerusalem; it is spiritual
38:29 Jerusalem. So, you have here a link between Daniel
38:33 7 and 8 and Revelation 11 and 13. You have
38:37 a lion, a bear, a leopard, a dragon, ten horns,
38:40 and then a beast that rules for 42 months.
38:43 Let's read the verses. [text on-screen]
38:53 Does that connect with Revelation 11:2-3?
38:57 Absolutely! Is the beast the same as the Gentiles
39:03 in Revelation 11:2-3? Is the beast the same
39:05 as the Gentiles? [Yes.] Is the little horn the
39:08 same as the Gentiles? [Yes.] Absolutely! So
39:10 was Albert Barnes right in what he said? Oh,
39:14 you better believe it. 'Course, he didn't
39:16 realize the implications of what he was writing.
39:20 It says... [reads text on-screen]
39:25 Is that what the little horn did in Daniel 8?
39:28 Yes! And those who dwell in heaven. Did the little
39:32 horn in Daniel 8 cast the stars [from] heaven
39:34 to the earth? Yeah! Representing God's
39:37 people. [continues reading text]
39:48 Now what about Daniel 7 and Revelation 12?
39:51 Furthermore, Revelation 11:3 bears a relationship
39:55 with Revelation 12:14, because both refer-
39:58 actually, it should be Revelation chapter 12
40:00 verse 6-because both refer to what? To 1,260
40:07 days...or is it the other way around?
40:10 Let's see here. Revelation chapter 12 and verse 14.
40:14 ...It's verse 6 and verse 14, actually. Verse 6
40:17 says, "Then the woman fled to the wilderness
40:20 that she should be there 1,260 days."
40:23 So, this should be, Revelation 11:13 bears a close
40:27 relationship with Revelation 12:6, not Revelation 12:14,
40:32 so you need to make the correction there. Even
40:34 further, the terminology of Revelation 12:6 shares
40:39 a common language with Revelation 12:14-that
40:42 should be 12:14 there- and Revelation 12:6,
40:47 in turn, has a connection with Daniel what? 7:25
40:51 by the common reference to time, times, and the
40:55 dividing of time. Let's read those verses so
40:58 we can catch the nuance very clearly. Revelation
41:01 12:13-14. [reads text]
41:20 In verse- actually, verse 6. It says-
41:26 this would be Revelation 12:6 and the other one
41:28 should be Revelation 12... You need to make those
41:31 corrections there, and I'm sure Genie is
41:34 writing this down. But anyway, Revelation
41:36 chapter 12 says... [text on-screen]
41:48 So, in Revelation 12, you have 1,260 days
41:51 and you have time, times, and the dividing of time.
41:54 Where does that come from-time, times, and
41:56 dividing of time? It comes from Daniel 7:25.
42:00 Let's read it. "He shall speak pompous words
42:02 against the Most High, shall persecute the saints
42:04 of the Most High, shall intend to change times
42:07 and law, then the saints shall be given into his
42:09 hand for a time, times, and half a time. Are
42:14 you following me? [Yes.] So must we study Revelation
42:18 11- actually, verse 2 through verse 6, which
42:23 is describing the fourth trumpet, or the 1,260
42:25 years. Must we study that passage along with
42:30 Luke 21:24, the second half of the verse, along
42:34 with Daniel chapter 7, Daniel chapter 8,
42:38 Revelation chapter 12, and Revelation chapter 13?
42:42 They're all describing the same event -
42:45 the same power. Now, let's go to the middle
42:48 of page 218. Therefore, we can safely reach
42:53 the conclusion that the 3.5 times, the 1,260
42:58 days, and the 42 months are all parallel expressions.
43:02 A careful study of these prophecies indicates
43:05 clearly that their fulfillment took place
43:09 during a 1,260-year period after the
43:15 disintegration of the Roman Empire. This means
43:18 that the Jerusalem spoken of in Luke 21 is not literal
43:24 Jerusalem, but rather what? Spiritual Jerusalem,
43:29 because literal Jerusalem had already been devastated
43:33 by the year 70 A.D. Now, once again, Albert Barnes.
43:42 I wish that he had been here today. [laughter]
43:46 He didn't have all the light, you know? He
43:48 wrote more than a century ago, actually. So notice
43:54 what he wrote - right on target. "The 42 months
44:00 would embrace the whole period of the ascendancy
44:03 and prevalence of the papacy." So did Albert
44:06 Barnes believe in the year-day principle?
44:09 Of course he did! The Protestant reformers
44:11 believed in the year-day principle! But you know
44:14 what disappeared? You need to read my book,
44:17 Futurism's Incredible Journey. There, I
44:20 document why the Protestant world abandoned the year-day
44:24 principle: Because the Millerites used the
44:27 year-day principle to say that Jesus was
44:30 coming on October 22, 1844, and when Jesus
44:34 did not come, they said, "The method was wrong."
44:40 Sad. So, "The 42 months would embrace the whole
44:45 period of the ascendancy and prevalence of the
44:47 papacy." Would that be more than 42 literal months?
44:51 Of course. "Or the whole time of the continuance
44:54 of that corrupt domination in which Christendom was
44:59 to be trodden down and corrupted by it." So
45:03 according to him, who are the Gentiles?
45:07 The papacy. And what is Jerusalem? Christendom!
45:13 Right? And then it continues. "That's
45:16 regarded, this would properly express the
45:19 time of the ascendancy of the papal power and
45:21 the end of the 42 months, or 1,260 years would
45:27 denote the time when the influence of that
45:30 power would cease." In other words, it gives the
45:33 starting point, and it gives us what? The
45:36 ending point of the dominion of the papacy.
45:41 "Even the rocks will cry out." [laughs] If Adventists
45:45 don't see it, the Lord uses people in other
45:48 churches, also, that have gleams of light
45:51 to help people say, "Well, those Adventists
45:53 are not so crazy, after all." Now, let's go to our
45:57 final point in this segment. Thoughts on
46:00 Daniel 9:26-27. How many destructions of
46:05 Jerusalem do you have in Daniel 9:26-27? Two.
46:13 You say, "Now, wait a minute. Actually, there's
46:15 three." No, wait a minute. Let's read the
46:20 verses. Daniel chapter 9:26-27 - let's read
46:24 the paragraph, and then we'll go to those verses.
46:26 We have reached the conclusion that the two
46:28 halves of Luke 21:24 describe two distinct
46:32 trampling's of two different Jerusalem's. The first half
46:36 describes literal Jerusalem trampled by the literal
46:39 Romans. The second half of the verse describes
46:42 the trampling of spiritual Jerusalem-that is, the
46:45 church-by spiritual Rome- that is, the papacy.
46:49 Revelation 11:2 expands upon the second half
46:52 of Luke 21:24. Now, let's read Daniel 9:26-27.
46:59 You remember that God allotted to the Jews how
47:02 many weeks? 70 weeks. He says, "I'm gonna give
47:05 you 70 more weeks of grace. This is your
47:08 opportunity. And if you don't shape up, I'm gonna
47:13 ship you out." [laughs] ...is basically what He's
47:16 saying. Now, notice Daniel 9:26. "After the
47:21 62 weeks"...and that's understood that it's
47:23 the 62 plus the 7, which is 69. "Messiah shall be
47:29 cut off, but not for Himself." What is that
47:33 referring to? The death of Jesus. And the people
47:37 of the prince who is to come..." Who are
47:41 the people of the prince who is to come? The people
47:44 are the Jews. And who is the prince? [Jesus.]
47:48 Jesus! So did the people destroy their own city?
47:52 Yep. "And the people of the prince who is to
47:55 come shall," what? "Destroy the city and
47:59 the sanctuary." Which city and sanctuary?
48:02 So at the end of the 70 weeks, what was
48:04 gonna happen? Eventually, Jerusalem and its sanctuary
48:08 was gonna be what? Destroyed. When was
48:11 that fulfilled? In the year 70. And then it
48:15 describes what it's like. [finishes off the verse]
48:25 So you have the word, 'desolations', "are
48:27 determined." [continues reading] Goes back to
48:31 talk about the final week. [continues reading]
48:38 It refers, once again, to the destruction of
48:40 Jerusalem. [continues reading]
48:51 Does Matthew 24 refer to the Roman armies
48:54 as the abomination of
48:55 desolation? Absolutely. [reads back from second line]
49:15 Now, these verses describe the trampling of what?
49:19 Literal Jerusalem in the year 70. It is
49:22 significant that the words 'abomination' and
49:26 then 'desolation' appear in Matthew 24:15, and
49:31 they reappear here. It is probable that Daniel
49:34 9:26-27 not only refers to a future desolation
49:39 of literal Jerusalem in the year 70, but also
49:43 to the subsequent desolation at the end of time. This
49:48 seems to be the case, because the plural form,
49:51 'desolations', means more than one desolation;
49:56 thus, plural form implies more than one desolation.
50:02 If this is the case, then the first part of
50:04 Daniel 9:27 depicts the first desolation of literal
50:08 Jerusalem in A.D. 70 as does the first part
50:11 of Luke 21:24, while the second part of Daniel 9:27
50:17 describes the desolation of what? Of spiritual
50:20 Jerusalem that Jesus described in the second
50:23 part of Luke 21:24. Matthew and Mark-now
50:29 listen carefully-Matthew and Mark referred to this
50:31 period as the what? As the tribulation, a word
50:36 that Jesus used to refer to as what? As the
50:41 trampling of Jerusalem by the Gentiles. So in
50:44 other words, the tribulation is what? The trampling
50:48 of God's people by the Gentiles, by the papacy.
50:52 This interpretation fits very well with the fact
50:55 that Jesus blended the description of literal
50:58 Jerusalem and spiritual Jerusalem. You have
51:03 two statements here. The prophecy which he
51:07 uttered was what? Twofold in its meaning while
51:12 foreshadowing the destruction of Jerusalem-the literal
51:16 Jerusalem, that is-it what? Prefigured also
51:20 the terrors of the last great day. And incidentally,
51:24 there's something more here: How many stages
51:27 does the papacy have? ...Two. What is the
51:34 first stage? The 1,260 years. What will be the
51:38 second stage? When its deadly wound is healed.
51:43 Did the papacy trample upon Jerusalem during
51:46 the first period of its dominion? [Yes.] Is it
51:49 gonna trample upon Jerusalem, spiritually
51:52 speaking, in the second stage? [Yes.] So we're to
51:55 understand that, really, the second stage of the
51:59 papacy is actually a continuation of the
52:02 first with the period of the deadly wound
52:05 in between-but it's the same system persecuting
52:08 the saints of the Most High. So when Ellen White
52:11 says that this prophecy is twofold in its meaning,
52:14 she's not only referring to the destruction of literal
52:16 Jerusalem and then the attack on God's people
52:19 at the very end of time. Included also is the
52:23 idea of the tribulation during the 1,260 years.
52:26 That's what she says in Desire of Ages.
52:29 Here's another statement: Great Controversy, pg. 36.
52:32 "The Saviour' s prophecy concerning the visitation
52:34 of judgments upon Jerusalem is to have another," what?
52:38 "Another fulfillment of which that terrible
52:40 desolation was but a faint shadow. In the
52:44 fate of the chosen city, we may behold the doom
52:46 of a world that has rejected God's mercy
52:49 and trampled upon His love." By the way, do
52:53 you remember in Daniel chapter 9:26-27, you
52:57 have the two words, 'abominations,' 'desolation'...
53:00 Does the book of Revelation refer at all to abomination of
53:03 desolation regarding the end-time? Notice our
53:07 last text: Revelation 17:4-6 and verses 15
53:12 and 16. Who does the harlot represent?
53:21 Well, the harlot is Babylon-but who's
53:22 Babylon? The Roman Catholic papacy. Right?
53:28 So, let's notice the end-time application
53:31 of this. Revelation 17:4-6. Speaking about the harlot...
53:36 [reads text on-screen]
53:43 "...a golden cup full of..." [Abominations.]
53:46 Ah, there's one of the key words. [continues reading]
54:02 "...of the martyrs of Jesus..." Is that what happened
54:04 during the 1,260 years, the trampling upon God's
54:07 people? Yes. Was it the same harlot? Yes. Was
54:11 she filled with the same abominations?
54:13 Yeah, only this is the end-time dimension;
54:16 there was one during the 1,260 years. This
54:19 is the last one. It continues. "When I
54:21 saw her, I marveled with great amazement."
54:24 And then notice verse 15. What's gonna happen
54:26 to the harlot? Because of her abominations,
54:30 what's gonna happen? She will be left what?
54:34 Desolate. Incidentally, do you know what the
54:37 abomination of desolation means? It means because
54:39 of the abominations, desolation is coming.
54:45 That applies, by the way, to the United
54:46 States. We won't get into that now. Verse 15:
54:50 "Then he said to me, 'The waters which you
54:52 saw..." [text resumed on-screen]
55:02 Did France hate the harlot at the end of
55:04 the 1,260 years? Are the political rulers gonna
55:09 come up with hate again? Yes! So it says...
55:12 [reads from beginning of text]
55:16 "...and make her..." There's another key
55:18 word: "Desolate"! [finishes off verse]
55:23 By the way, that's a way of saying that
55:24 they're gonna really be mad. [laughter] Even
55:29 further, the last paragraph, 2 Thessalonians 2 explains
55:35 that there would be a long period of apostasy
55:40 before Jesus comes. True or false? Well,
55:46 let's go to 2 Thessalonians 2. We only have a very,
55:48 very short couple of minutes here, but let's
55:51 go to 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. Were the
55:55 Thessalonians expecting Jesus to come in their
55:57 day? Yeah! In 1 Thessalonians, the apostle Paul said,
56:01 "We who are alive and remain shall be caught
56:04 up," so they said, "Oh, we're gonna be alive,
56:05 because 'Those who are alive and remain'!" So
56:09 Paul writes a second epistle; he says, "No,
56:10 no, no, no, no. See, you misunderstood me.
56:14 Jesus is not gonna come until a long period of
56:16 apostasy in between." Notice 2 Thessalonians
56:21 chapter 2 and verse 3. "Let no one deceive you
56:24 by any means, for that Day"-that is, the day
56:27 of Christ coming-"will not come unless the
56:29 falling away comes first." The word in Greek is,
56:34 "Unless the 'apostasía' comes first, and the
56:39 man of sin is revealed." Who is the man of sin?
56:44 The little horn, the beast, the harlot, the king of
56:47 the north, the abomination of desolation, the anti-Christ...
56:50 Doesn't matter which name you choose. [laughter]
56:54 And what is he gonna do? Is he gonna attack
56:57 God? Yes! "Who opposes and exalts himself above all
57:02 that is called 'God' or that is worshiped
57:05 so that he sits as God," where? Did the little
57:11 horn attack the sanctuary? Did he usurp the position
57:15 of Christ? Yes! So it says, "The man of sin
57:18 sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself
57:24 that he is God." So were you able to follow what
57:29 we studied? We did it quickly. But the good
57:34 thing is, it is written, so you can go back
57:38 and you can look at it; you can study it, you
57:40 can read all of the verses that we've
57:42 included here. So, we have discussed the first,
57:48 second, third, fourth, and fifth trumpets...
57:52 ...and we're still not ready to go to the
57:54 sixth trumpet, because we still have to study
57:57 Revelation 10. But before that, Daniel 12:4.


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