Participants: James Rafferty (Host), Ivor Meyers (Host), Yvonne Lewis, Jason Bradley
Series Code: SISS
Program Code: SISS000024A
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00:29 Okay we are in seal number 5, we've done the first four
00:34 the four horses, we've summarized it, 00:36 we brought it together, we've related it, 00:38 we've done a parallel to the parable, 00:40 or parable... parallel... and so... 00:42 now we're in the fifth seal and it's going to continue, 00:45 it's not like we're leaving the others behind... 00:47 they're connected, there's a connectivity here 00:49 because history connects and then, of course, 00:51 the history informs us through today 00:53 so it's a beautiful picture overall, so, as we get into this 00:56 so, let's start with a word of prayer, Jason, 00:59 and then Yvonne if you can read the verses for us 01:01 and then we'll just jump right in, 01:02 Ivor will just give us the interpretation. 01:04 Yvonne: Sure... 01:05 Jason: All right... "Dear Heavenly Father, 01:07 we ask that you'd be with us as we study your Word 01:10 help us to fully understand what we're studying 01:13 and to be able to retain the information, 01:15 in Jesus' name we pray, amen. " 01:16 All: "Amen... " 01:18 James: All right... the fifth seal... 01:19 Yvonne starts in verse 9 of Revelation 6, 01:22 Yvonne: How far? James: To eleven. 01:24 Yvonne: Okay, through 11? James: Yeah. 01:26 Yvonne: Okay, "And when he had opened the fifth seal, 01:28 I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain 01:31 for the word of God, and for the testimony 01:33 which they held: and they cried with a loud voice 01:36 saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, 01:38 dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them 01:41 that dwell on the earth? 01:42 And white robes were given unto every one of them; 01:45 and it was said unto them, that they should rest 01:48 yet for a little season, until their fellowservants 01:51 also and their brethren, 01:52 that should be killed as they were, 01:54 should be fulfilled. " 01:56 James: Amen... these are some powerful verses, 01:59 one of the things that we see in the beginning of this picture 02:04 in verse 9... is the altar, 02:05 and we know that that altar either represents the altar 02:10 in the Courtyard of the Sanctuary System, 02:12 or the altar that was in the Holy Place 02:15 of the Sanctuary System, 02:16 because it's not called the the golden altar 02:18 the golden altar was the one that was in the Holy Place, 02:21 we're inclined to understand 02:23 that as being the one in the Courtyard, 02:26 but verse 2 actually helps us out with that 02:29 because verse two says 02:30 that the souls that are crying under the altar 02:32 are crying out for vengeance on them that dwell on the earth. 02:35 So, this has to do with the earth 02:38 and the only altar that has anything to do with the earth 02:40 is the one in the Courtyard. 02:41 Yvonne: Hmmm... 02:43 James: Does anyone remember what that altar represents 02:44 in the Plan of Salvation, 02:46 what happened at that altar in the Jewish service 02:49 that pointed forward to 02:51 something that happened in the Plan of Salvation? 02:52 What was that altar all about? 02:54 Yvonne: That's where the lamb was slain. 02:55 James: That's where the lamb was slain, 02:57 so what would that represent? 02:58 Yvonne: Crucifixion. 03:00 James: The crucifixion... and Hebrews chapter 13 03:03 verses 10 through 12 tells us that. 03:05 Paul says, "We have an altar, 03:07 that they have no right to eat at 03:08 which serve the tabernacle 03:10 because Jesus was sacrificed outside the gate. " 03:12 So he's taking that altar, he's saying, 03:15 "that altar represents 03:16 where Jesus was sacrificed for our sins. " 03:18 So, when it says that these guys... 03:21 that we heard them under the altar, 03:23 it doesn't mean that they're under a literal altar, 03:26 it doesn't mean that they are in the literal Sanctuary 03:29 in that... you know... place that was set up for God. 03:31 Ivor: And it doesn't mean that they're in heaven. 03:33 James: And it definitely doesn't mean they're in heaven, 03:35 it's telling us... yeah, it's telling us 03:37 that this happened on the earth... 03:39 and that altar represents the cross 03:40 so what that means is these people died for Christ. 03:44 Yvonne: Hmmm... these are martyrs... 03:46 James: These are martyrs... these are people that... 03:48 in that... that's the context of this, 03:50 these are people that gave their life 03:52 because they refused to give up their faith in Christ, 03:55 they held to the cross, they held to Calvary... 03:57 they held to the blood, right, 03:59 they didn't go with the pale horse, 04:00 they didn't go with the black horse, 04:02 they didn't compromise, they weren't persecuted out, 04:04 they held to the blood, they held to the Lamb 04:07 slain... that was opening the seals... 04:09 they held to the Lamb... that white-horse rider, 04:12 all right, what else do we have in here, Ivor? 04:14 Ivor: I think it's interesting that the Bible points out here 04:17 that they were slain... verse... I believe it's... 04:23 Yvonne: Nine? 04:25 Ivor: Nine... "they were slain for the Word of God. " 04:26 James: Yes. 04:28 Ivor: The Word of God... the Word of God... right? 04:29 James: Yes. 04:31 Ivor: Right? And for the testimony which they held 04:32 so, put those two things together... 04:34 Word of God and Testimony... it reminds us of 04:36 the commandments of God... 04:38 those who keep the commandments of God 04:39 and the faith of Jesus Christ or the Testimony of Jesus Christ 04:42 but remember where the seals are unfolding, 04:45 they're unfolding at the Table of Shewbread, 04:48 so the mention here of the Word of God 04:51 within this context, again, just reaffirms to us 04:54 that these are the things that are surrounding 04:57 the Table of Shewbread... the Word of God 05:00 and this battle for Satan 05:04 to attempt to get the mount of the congregation, God's people, 05:07 to separate from the Word of God 05:09 but here we have a group of people who are saying, 05:12 "Yeah, just... just... you might as well then 05:14 take my life because I'm not 05:16 going to let go of the Word of God 05:18 and I'm not going to let go of the blood of Christ 05:21 and the testimony of Jesus... " 05:22 now here's the interesting thing, 05:25 if we take the fifth seal... 05:27 "You guys should already be like... yeah... 05:29 I know where he's going next," 05:30 so we take the fifth seal and we want to know 05:34 how can we check what... you know... 05:36 what we're looking for here, we would want to go time-frame... 05:40 we would go over... go back to the fifth church 05:44 the fifth church is the church of Sardis, 05:47 that is the church of the reformation 05:49 and we understand that under the Sardis church 05:52 people were being persecuted 05:55 because of the Word of God. James: Hmmm... hmmm... 05:58 Ivor: So when we're looking at here... primarily... 06:00 is that period of time 06:02 that points us to the Protestant Reformation 06:06 and those who are being persecuted 06:09 through this Reformation 06:10 but there's something else 06:12 that I think is very important to understand here and 06:14 I'll just... let's take a look at Genesis chapter 4 verse 10. 06:21 James: Okay. 06:22 Ivor: Genesis 4 verse 10, speaking of Abel... 06:25 the Bible says, 06:26 "And he said, what hast thou done?" 06:29 "The voice of thy brother's 06:32 blood crieth unto me from the ground. " 06:36 James: Okay, so the context of this... is Cain and Abel... 06:41 the sons of Adam and Eve... and they are told to worship God 06:46 they're coming to give offerings for God 06:48 and Abel goes along with what he's been told 06:51 and he sacrifices a lamb... 06:52 Cain, on the other hand, decides to bring the fruits 06:55 of his hands... the works of his labor... 06:58 and basically... Abel, you know, 07:00 "that's not going to work" 07:02 Cain says, "Don't worry about me... " 07:04 and then as they offer... Cain's offering is rejected, 07:08 Abel's offering is accepted 07:10 and Cain gets upset at his brother... 07:12 and even though he's remonstrating with him 07:15 and loves him... 07:16 Cain ends up getting so angry 07:18 with him that he kills his brother. 07:19 Ivor: Persecution... 07:21 James: Persecution... and he kills his brother, 07:22 there's the person that's relying on 07:24 the works of his own hands, 07:26 rather than on the offering of Jesus Christ and the Lamb... 07:29 so the person who's relying on his works... 07:31 is killing the person that's relying on Jesus, 07:33 you see the connection now to our timeline right here? 07:36 Ivor: And... ah... Cain was worshipping... 07:39 James: Yes, he was a worshipper. 07:41 Ivor: So it's not like he was like, 07:43 "I don't want anything to do with God... " 07:45 he brought a sacrifice, so he was worshipping... 07:48 much like we saw with this pale horse who was supposedly 07:52 worshipping... like... this is... in the name of God, 07:56 we're doing this in the name of God 07:57 but it was absolutely against the will of God 07:59 so... so... one of the points that we need to see here 08:03 is that "the blood of those crying out under the altar" 08:07 does not only represent the Protestant... 08:10 those who were persecuted during the Protestant Reformation, 08:14 but it really represents all the way going back to Abel... 08:18 in other words, it's not just... 08:22 it wasn't just people in the Protestant Reformation 08:25 who symbolically are crying out, "How long, O Lord... " 08:28 this is taking us all the way back to the very beginning... 08:31 to the very first martyr which is Abel which means 08:34 the fifth seal... in a sense... 08:36 starts all the way from the beginning of time 08:39 but brings us down with an emphasis 08:43 on the Protestant Reformation. 08:45 James: I wouldn't say "starts with the end of time," 08:46 I would say, "takes us to... " 08:48 Ivor: Right... takes us back... 08:49 James: It reminds us of something that has been 08:51 held off from Abel's time... 08:54 something that's been held off and held off... 08:56 in fact, it even comes out in the church where it says, 08:58 "I gave her space to repent... " 09:00 because what you have in the Protestant Reformation is 09:02 you have Martin Luther, 09:03 you have Jerome and Huss and Wycliffe, 09:05 they're all part of the church, 09:06 they don't want to start another church, 09:08 they're... they're remonstrating 09:11 with their brothers in the church... 09:13 and their sisters in the church 09:14 well, that's what Abel did with Cain, he's remonstrating... 09:17 "Hey, you know... you need to... the lamb, the lamb, the lamb" 09:20 and these... in the church history right here, 09:23 these guys... so... really what God is doing is... 09:25 he's connecting this story right here... 09:27 this fifth seal right here to the story of Cain and Abel, 09:30 it fits perfectly... remonstrating, remonstrating... 09:33 compromising... compromising... 09:34 trusting in Jesus and the blood of the Lamb, 09:36 trusting in the works of our own hands 09:37 and notice what happens, even in the story... 09:40 after Cain slays Abel... God comes to him... 09:43 remonstrates with him and then gives him time... 09:46 gives him time... doesn't kill him... 09:48 but marks him... gives him time... 09:50 and so that's the same thing that's happening right here. 09:52 There's the timeframe that's given, 09:54 even when the Reformers started preaching... 09:57 God gave more time... more time... 10:00 before we have a deadly wound that's inflicted in 1798 10:03 and there's time being given here 10:05 for more of the Word of God, 10:06 for those who are going to be slain, 10:08 for the testimony of Jesus to draw, to draw but... 10:11 there's an impending judgment, there's an impending judgment 10:14 that has to sit and white robes need to be meted out. 10:17 Ivor: Yes, so they're asking, "How long... before you judge?" 10:21 So, this tells us something very important to get 10:26 is that during this fifth seal, 10:29 at some point within this fifth seal, 10:31 they're asking for judgment 10:33 but judgment is not yet being given, they're saying, 10:36 James: "How long, how long, how long?" 10:38 Ivor: Yeah, how long? How long? How long? 10:40 which means, "How long dost thou not judge?" 10:42 Okay, so there comes a transition where 10:47 judgment does begin and we see that in... 10:50 in the next verse, so the next verse reads, 10:54 verse 11, "And white robes were given unto every one of them; 11:00 and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet 11:03 for a little season... " and just remember that time period 11:05 a little season... James: Yes, yes God. 11:08 Ivor: that's really good news, I'm thinking about... 11:10 and James, I think you're thinking with me, 11:11 we'll let you know... 11:13 but that little season is like "Wow!" 11:15 okay, but... but... so... so here it says, 11:17 "white robes were given unto them" 11:19 now, white robes are a reward, it signifies purification right? 11:27 James: The righteousness of Christ. 11:29 Ivor: Righteousness of Christ, okay, so the question is, 11:32 "Why weren't white robes given to them before?" 11:34 I mean, Abel was righteous, you know, 11:36 think about all these guys that died in the name of Christ... 11:39 why weren't white robes given to them, 11:41 why is it that after a certain time... 11:43 now white robes are given to them, 11:45 and the answer... is just profound... 11:47 so, let's go over to the Book of Zechariah, 11:49 very quickly... Zechariah chapter 3 11:52 and... maybe I can have one of you read from verses 1 to 4, 11:57 Zechariah 3 verses... 11:59 James: Zechariah is hard to find but if you go to 12:01 Matthew... the gospel of Matthew 12:03 and you just go back two books... 12:05 you go Matthew, Malachi, Zechariah. 12:07 Ivor: Or if you have a computer you can use E-Sword... 12:10 Laughter... 12:13 Yvonne: Zechariah 3... from what? 12:16 James: One to four... 12:18 Yvonne: "And he shewed me Joshua the high priest 12:20 standing before the angel of the Lord, 12:22 and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. 12:24 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; 12:28 even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: 12:31 is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? 12:34 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, 12:37 and stood before the angel. 12:39 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, 12:42 saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. 12:45 And unto him he said, 12:46 Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, 12:49 and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. " 12:52 Ivor: Okay, so, according to what was just read, right, 12:56 here you have Satan accusing one of God's own... 12:59 okay, and then at some point God says, 13:02 "Okay, I'm going to cause your iniquity to pass from you 13:06 and I'm going to change your raiments... " 13:07 so the change of raiments would be connected with 13:12 iniquity passing from him, purification, cleansing... 13:17 okay, so, we take this back to Revelation 13:20 and the saints are asking, 13:23 "symbolically speaking" because we know that... 13:25 these aren't really dead people speaking, 13:27 this is symbolism... what God is showing us... 13:31 is that a judgment process begins for the dead 13:36 okay, a judgment process begins for the dead 13:41 in which a cleansing or purification happens 13:46 that allows God to give them white robes... 13:50 and that would point us 13:52 to what we call the Investigative Judgment. 13:54 Yvonne: Huh... wow! 13:56 James: But... and what's really powerful about this... 14:00 that judgment is not taking place when Jesus returns, 14:03 because even though they're judged, they have to wait, 14:05 so this double confirms an Investigative Judgment 14:10 because, if this was the final judgment, 14:11 where Jesus is coming, there's a final judgment, 14:13 then white robes are given to every one of them 14:15 and... boom... but it says, 14:17 "But you must rest a little bit longer, 14:19 we're going to Revelation 14 next, right, 14:22 you must rest a little bit longer 14:23 till your brethren... that should be killed as you 14:26 whether they will or not we'll see, will be fulfilled, 14:29 there's a little bit time left to be fulfilled, 14:30 so here we have this space of time 14:32 from the beginning of the Investigative Judgment 14:35 until those final brethren go through an experience 14:38 and... and Jesus returns. 14:40 Yvonne: Hmmm... Ivor: Yeah, yeah James: So, it's incredible. 14:44 Ivor: Yes, so the people here... this is to signify to us that 14:47 a judgment is coming, 14:48 under the fifth seal... no judgment... 14:51 and then suddenly they're given white robes 14:53 but they're told, "Wait a minute... 14:55 there are others who are to receive these white robes 14:59 and be killed as well, once that number is complete 15:03 the end comes... " 15:05 once the number is complete, the end comes, 15:07 now what's interesting about this is, 15:09 we're going to... I guess we need to jump a little because 15:12 when we understand that the judgment occurred... 15:14 the judgment begins with the cleansing of the Sanctuary, 15:18 right, that's the process of the judgment 15:20 and the everlasting gospel begins to go forward, 15:24 let's look at Revelation chapter 14... 15:26 James: Let me say it this way. Ivor: Yeah. 15:28 James: Revelation chapter 14 is the fourth enlargement... 15:32 we got the seals, the trumpets and the seven salvation signs 15:36 so in Revelation chapter 14 now, 15:37 we're just going to jump into this, 15:39 we're not going to give the details 15:40 but we're going to jump into this 15:41 and we're going to show the connection now 15:44 between Revelation 14 and this fifth seal, 15:46 so in Revelation 14, we have the gospel 15:48 which would correlate with this white... I mean, excuse me... 15:52 this... what does it say there? White robes... 15:55 the white robes... righteousness of Christ or the gospel 15:58 and then we have the "hour of His judgment is come" 16:01 okay, so that's the judgment message 16:04 and those messages are 1840 to 1844... 16:06 the three angels' message is given... 16:08 Yvonne: Is that after the "little season?" 16:09 Ivor: No... 16:11 James: No, so... this is starting the "little season" 16:13 so you've got 1840 to 1844, 16:16 you've got this message being given, 16:18 you've got the judgment being opened 16:19 and then you have a little season coming after that 16:22 and that's what it says in verse... 16:23 Ivor: Chapter 14 verse... 13? James: Let's look at verse 12. 16:27 Ivor: Okay, verse 12 is the closing off of the... 16:29 is the final part of the Third Angel's message, 16:32 it says, "Here's the patience of the saints: 16:35 here are they that keep the commandments of God, 16:37 and the faith of Jesus," 16:40 remember what they are being persecuted for? 16:41 The Word of God and the Testimony of Jesus, right, 16:45 and now watch this, so the three angels' messages 16:48 go together... they goes simultaneously 16:51 and right at the end of the three angels' messages, 16:54 right, I'm not talking about in time... 16:56 I'm speaking in terms of where it's found in the Scripture, 16:59 okay, right after that in verse 13 it says, 17:01 "And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, 17:05 Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord 17:08 from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, 17:11 that they may rest from their labours; 17:14 and their works do follow them. " 17:16 James: Yep. 17:18 Ivor: So before... before this time period, 17:20 the dead are symbolically crying out, 17:22 "Lord, when are you going to judge... 17:23 when are you going to judge, when are you going to judge?" 17:25 Rest... white robes... and then you find here 17:30 that when the judgment message begins 17:33 there's a blessing to those who die now 17:36 because they're not crying out, "Lord how... " 17:38 no... judgment is going on now, so blood is not crying out, 17:41 judgment is going on... "Blessed are those who die 17:44 so, between the fifth seal, the ending of the fifth seal 17:49 basically is pointing us to... to the judgment that is to come 17:52 which... in which all the redeemed receive white robes. 17:58 James: All those who were dead and so what's happening is, 18:00 in Revelation 5... excuse me... in Revelation's 5th seal... 18:03 you have the intimation, white robes, the crying out, 18:06 rest for a little season, 18:08 in Revelation 14, it expands upon that, 18:10 you have the everlasting gospel, "the hour of judgment is come," 18:12 it didn't actually say that 18:14 in the fifth seal but now it's saying it, 18:15 "the hour of judgment is come 18:17 and blessed are the dead that die in the Lord" 18:18 you'll receive white robes, you'll rest a little while, 18:21 blessed are those that die in the Lord, 18:22 why? because they're receiving white robes 18:24 and they're resting for a little while, 18:25 you see, so the connection is right there, 18:27 the two are right there, 18:28 now, going back to chapter 5, chapter 6 and the fifth seal, 18:33 we're talking about the Reformation era 18:36 and what we're doing now is we're moving from 18:39 Sardis into Philadelphia in the fifth seal, 18:42 we're moving from Sardis which is the Reformation Era... 18:46 the Reformers came and they recovered what? 18:49 The Word of God... 18:50 the Morning Star of the Reformation... John Wycliffe, 18:53 and what did he do? 18:55 Translate the Bible into the English language 18:58 and they recovered the Word of God 19:00 and then it talks about how the, in a loud voice... 19:03 white robes are talked about in verse 11, 19:05 white robes would point to the gospel of Jesus Christ, 19:09 the altar would point to the gospel of Jesus Christ, 19:13 what was the main focus of the Reformers? 19:15 To preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, 19:18 then, as they moved on... as we move on through history 19:21 these Reformers... they lived, they contributed, they died, 19:25 they lived, they contributed, they died, 19:27 but the Reformation didn't stop with them 19:28 it went right into this Movement called the "Millerite Movement" 19:31 1840 to 1844... the Millerite Movement 19:34 and that Movement, 19:35 is bringing us to the time of judgment, 19:38 the actual time of judgment, and in that Movement, 19:41 we move into the next seal which is going to help confirm 19:44 the timeframe of all of this by giving us some other 19:46 yeah... confirming signs in the sun, moon and stars. 19:49 Ivor: So the Millerite Movement would correspond then 19:52 with the sixth church... Philadelphia. 19:54 James: Yes, yes. Ivor: Absolutely. 19:56 James: Yes, but we're not there yet, 19:57 we're still in the fifth church, we're still in Sardis 20:00 and we're still correlating the symbols right here... 20:03 they're taking place under the fifth seal 20:05 with Sardis and with, of course, 20:07 the future message of the judgment, all right. 20:10 Yvonne: So, I have a question, so, white robes... 20:12 in this case... it's the gospel, 20:17 is it also the righteousness of Christ? 20:20 James: It's the same thing those are the same... 20:21 you just said the same thing. Yvonne: Okay. 20:23 James: The gospel is the righteousness of Christ. 20:24 Yvonne: Okay. 20:26 James: It is... it's the good news of Christ our righteousness 20:27 that's the gospel so... we're taking some liberty here 20:32 to expand these phrases and see their worth, 20:36 you know, to really spread them out 20:38 and then connect them with all these different areas 20:40 in the Book of Revelation, in the Old Testament 20:43 and show the fullness of what this symbol is 20:46 because here's what's happening, 20:47 John is being given the Book of Revelation 20:50 it is a distillation of the entire Bible 20:54 only God could do that 20:55 so God takes 66 books... well 65 without Revelation 21:00 and he takes those books and he just says... kukushushu, 21:03 oooooh... Revelation 21:04 Ivor: he juices it down and... 21:06 James: He juices it down, this is... this is juice... 21:08 I mean, that's a good way to describe it, 21:10 so you just take a little glass of that stuff 21:13 and you're just powered for the whole day, 21:15 and so, every word has meaning, 21:17 every word has to be uncapped and, "What's in there?" 21:21 wow! look at that... you know... we unseal this 21:23 and it's just all the stuff coming out of here, 21:26 how do we do that? We go to the rest of the Bible, 21:28 the New Testament, the Old Testament, 21:30 you go to the rest of the Bible, you look up these phrases, 21:31 we make the connections 21:33 and we let it just absorb into our minds 21:35 and so this is what we're doing here... 21:38 is we're making connections to the Old Testament 21:41 making connections to the seven churches 21:43 and making connections forward 21:44 to areas we haven't gone yet, 21:46 because we haven't gone to the seven salvation signs yet, 21:48 but when we get there, we're going to see judgment, 21:50 when we get into the 21:51 seven salvation signs, we're going to see white robes, 21:53 we're going to see the connections we've made here 21:55 and again, God is just going to repeat and enlarge, 21:57 repeat and enlarge, repeat and enlarge 21:59 to give us a fuller picture. 22:00 Yvonne: Hmmm... so, I guess a little recap would be good 22:06 just to make sure that it kind of gets sealed in here. 22:09 James: Absolutely, yeah... 22:12 Yvonne: I think it would be good for us to do a recap. 22:14 James: Let's do it Ivor. 22:16 Ivor: All right, so you're going to recap. 22:17 Yvonne: Me? 22:20 James: No we got to do that later, 22:22 you got to take notes right now, take notes, 22:24 because it's coming back to you, go for it. 22:26 Ivor: So, again, what we're looking at with the fifth seal, 22:30 the fifth seal is going to correspond with the fifth church 22:33 it's going to point us to the 22:35 time period of the Protestant Reformation, 22:37 it's going to bring us into the understanding that a judgment 22:43 was... there was a judgment being asked for, 22:46 when will this judgment occur? 22:48 And then we see that there's a time 22:50 pre-judgment and then the judgment beginning 22:53 okay, we're going to see that this judgment 22:56 is going to begin with the dead, 22:59 it begins with the souls under the altar... and... 23:02 James: That's why it says their blood is crying out. 23:05 Ivor: Yes. Yvonne: Hmmm... 23:07 James: I mean, here, now this is really interesting, 23:09 I think it's a really good point for us, 23:10 here, it says that they cried out with a loud voice 23:13 but in Genesis chapter 4, 23:15 it says that Abel's blood cries out, 23:18 and so that's the clarification we need to have 23:20 because we understand that when you're dead, you're dead 23:24 so... so... Genesis 4 is instructing us what it means 23:27 that "they're crying out... " 23:29 they're dead and crying out and then Genesis 4 tells us, 23:32 "Wow! not only does it tell us that, 23:34 but it also has these amazing correlations 23:36 with the sequence of history right here, 23:39 because Cain trusted in his works 23:41 and that's what the church has come to do 23:43 and Abel trusted in the Lamb 23:44 and that's what we've got with the white horse rider, 23:46 and you've got those who trust in the blood 23:48 and those who are pale, 23:49 who don't trust in any blood or whatever 23:51 and they're completely gospel-less 23:53 and then when Abel realizes 23:56 that Cain's sacrifice isn't accepted by God, 23:59 he demonstrates... he... not demonstrates but he 24:02 entreats his brother and what does his brother do? 24:04 He gets angry with him and kills him 24:06 so you got persecution, a persecuting church, 24:08 you got a compromising church, a persecuting church 24:10 a bloodless church and then you've got 24:12 Abel representing the white horse 24:14 and so the whole point is when that voice says, 24:18 "How long you're not judged" 24:19 that takes us all the way back to Cain's time 24:21 that takes us back to the beginning 24:22 and that makes sense because the judgment is inclusive 24:24 even of Abel, the judgment is inclusive, 24:27 everyone all the way from the beginning. 24:29 Ivor: Absolutely, and that's going to be crucial 24:31 to understand when we get into Revelation chapter 7 24:33 but what's also interesting is that Cain receives a mark 24:38 because of his rebellion. 24:40 James: Wow! how about that? Hmmm... hmmm... 24:43 Ivor: How about that? And as we... again... 24:45 Yvonne: Oooooooh! 24:47 Ivor: as we again move forward in the Book of Revelation, 24:48 we're going to see that those who do as Cain did, 24:52 are going to be marked, 24:54 there's going to be a death decree 24:56 right, and those who actually partake in that death decree, 25:01 those who side with that death decree, 25:02 will be marked... will be marked 25:05 and they'll be marked for the same reason that... 25:07 that... that Cain was marked, 25:09 it was a sign of his rebellion against God. 25:14 Yvonne: Wow... James: Hmmm... hmmm... 25:15 Ivor: And of course God marked... the Bible says, 25:18 "God marked Cain to protect him as well" 25:20 but you think about the reason he received that mark... 25:22 was because of his rebellion, 25:24 it was because of an evil action that he did 25:26 so there is an amazing parallel there as well 25:29 and so again we see this fifth seal... 25:32 this fifth seal is a pre-judgment seal 25:35 letting us know that there was a time of no judgment 25:38 and now we will see the judgment coming, 25:40 white robes are given unto those 25:42 who are crying out for them, 25:44 they've been just... they've been... 25:46 their iniquity... something about their iniquity 25:49 has been blotted out 25:50 which is what the cleansing of the Sanctuary is all about. 25:54 James: Yes, and that... and that... 25:56 and then a double confirmation of this, 25:58 "rest for a little season," 25:59 so this isn't happening right when Jesus comes, 26:02 you see, they've still got to rest, 26:04 there's still going to be some persecution, 26:06 yeah, there's still going to be some persecution coming up 26:08 so they're still sleeping, 26:09 and there's still some time coming up, 26:12 where there's other brethren that are faithful to God, 26:14 that are holding to the white horse 26:16 and its rider that are following Christ, 26:18 there's still some... 26:19 some persecution that's going to take place, 26:20 it's going to put them in the same situation. 26:22 Ivor: For those who keep the commandments of God 26:24 and have the testimony of Jesus Christ, 26:26 so, blessed are they who die in this time period... 26:30 when the judgment is going on because they're not crying out, 26:33 "How long before you judge?" 26:35 No, white robes are being given to them 26:38 in preparation for the second coming of Christ. 26:41 James: All right, our time is almost up 26:44 and we need to tell people 26:46 where they can send their questions. 26:47 Yvonne: sss@3bn. org 26:50 James: You know Jason, 26:53 you've been taking some furious notes here brother, 26:55 we've been talking, talking, talking... 26:57 and you've been writing, writing, writing... 26:59 so, when we come back for the quiz, 27:01 we know who to turn to... we know who to turn to, 27:04 close us out with a word of prayer, would you? 27:06 Jason: All right, "Dear Heavenly Father, 27:08 we thank you for another day of studying your Word, 27:12 thank you for allowing Pastor Rafferty and Pastor Myers 27:15 to break this down for us in a form that we can understand 27:18 and hopefully, we will be able to repeat 27:21 in the next Program, please be with us as we depart 27:26 and help us to retain what we've studied 27:28 in Jesus' name we pray, amen. " 27:29 All: "Amen... " 27:31 James: Now we're seeing this connection right here 27:32 we're seeing that we've got these four horses 27:35 that take us from the Apostolic Age 27:38 all the way through to the Dark Ages, 27:40 the persecution, the compromise, the Dark Ages 27:42 which leads to a misrepresentation... 27:44 misrepresentation of God's character, 27:46 and therefore, eventually to Atheism 27:48 and then we see the judgment and we're going to move 27:51 right from this seal 27:52 and we're going to go right into the sixth seal 27:54 and make the connection between those two 27:55 and that's going to be fun. |
Revised 2016-09-06