Participants: Ivor Myers (Host), James Rafferty (Host), Jason Bradley, Yvonne Lewis
Series Code: SISS
Program Code: SISS000039A
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00:29 We have been moving through the most challenging part
00:31 of the Book of Revelation, I just want to remind us of that 00:34 not to get us nervous or anything 00:37 but just to help us and encourage us... that if we're 00:40 having some difficulties here, there's a reason for it. 00:42 There's a lot of difference 00:45 in the interpretation of these verses... 00:48 going through... even Historicism, 00:51 there are a lot of different takes on this 00:52 and we're moving through an interpretation that lines up 00:57 with what we've seen in the prophetic cycles. 00:59 So we've looked at it from the perspective of the Dark Ages 01:02 and I want us to just review a couple of those points 01:05 that we made in our last program 01:07 as we start... first we'll start with a word of prayer 01:09 and then we'll review a couple of points... 01:11 look at a couple of key verses, then we'll move right into 01:14 the 6th trumpet or the 2nd woe same thing... 01:16 6th trumpet... 2nd woe... 01:18 all right, who wants to pray for us? 01:19 Yvonne: I'll pray... James: Thanks, Yvonne. 01:21 Yvonne: "Father, we thank you so very much 01:23 for bringing us together again to study your Word 01:26 and to bring its precious truths 01:28 so now we just ask for your Holy Spirit to lead and guide us 01:32 and thank you so much, Lord God, for our Viewers, 01:34 please continue to bless them in their study as well, 01:37 in Jesus' name. Amen. " 01:38 All: "Amen... " 01:40 James: All right, leading up to verse 1 01:42 of chapter 9 of Revelation, 01:44 I'm just going to read it here, "And the fifth angel sounded 01:45 and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: 01:48 and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. " 01:50 Leading up to this, we have seen 01:53 the light obliterated, we've seen this fallen angel 01:58 in the third trumpet coming in like a lamp 02:00 and obscuring the light of the heavens, 02:03 obscuring the sun and the night... light... 02:06 and seeking to counterfeit if you will 02:10 the truth of the gospel and so verse 1 of chapter 9 02:15 is kind of a summary, if you will... 02:16 this power... this angel... 02:18 is given the key of the bottomless pit... 02:20 now there are a couple of verses we want to look at 02:23 the first one is Genesis chapter 1 verses 1 and 2, if you could, 02:26 Jason, could you look at those for us and read it for us? 02:27 Jason: Sure, "In the beginning God created 02:30 the heaven and the earth. 02:31 And the earth was without form, and void; 02:33 and darkness was upon the face of the deep. 02:35 And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. " 02:38 James: All right, in the beginning 02:40 when God created the heavens and the earth, 02:42 darkness was upon the face of the deep 02:44 and that word, "deep" is abuss... or abussos, 02:48 it's the same word that is used here in Revelation chapter 9... 02:51 when it says, "bottomless" 02:53 the bottomless pit the abussos... the deep... 02:56 so, in Genesis chapter 1, 02:59 before the Spirit of God moves on the waters, 03:01 before the spirit of God moves on the earth, 03:04 the earth is abussos... abyss... it's dark... 03:06 there's no Spirit of God hovering... 03:09 there's darkness everywhere 03:10 so we're talking about the Dark Ages, 03:12 so God is borrowing that terminology from Genesis 03:16 to describe what's taking place here in this time... 03:20 in earth's history... it's dark... there's darkness... 03:24 it's the Dark Ages... and the Spirit of God is not there, 03:27 the Spirit of God is withdrawn 03:29 the Spirit of God isn't working right now 03:31 because of the darkness that's come upon the earth. 03:32 Ivor: There is... there's chaos. James: There's chaos... 03:35 Ivor: It describes a period of chaos 03:37 and you need to look at Revelation 20 03:40 and we were talking about this a little bit earlier 03:42 in Revelation 20, the Bible describes 03:45 Satan being cast into the abyss... 03:47 and what we'll see when we get to Revelation 20 03:50 is that... that abyss 03:51 is a description of the earth in a chaotic state 03:55 so in Revelation 20, it's literal... 03:58 in the verse we're just looking at... Revelation 9, 04:03 it's a spiritual chaotic... spiritual darkness... 04:07 so that's what we're looking at when we see this power 04:11 it's a description of the bottomless pit... 04:13 it's a description of the state of the states... 04:17 the state of the nations during the Dark Ages. 04:20 James: Now, I want us to read another verse 04:23 and it's Isaiah 14:12... 04:25 to see how the nations got into this state 04:27 Isaiah 14:12... 04:29 Yvonne: Isaiah 14:12... 04:31 "How art thou fallen from heaven, 04:33 O Lucifer, son of the morning! 04:35 how art thou cut down to the ground, 04:37 which didst weaken the nations!" 04:39 James: Okay, now, I want you to notice 04:40 something here that's really significant, 04:43 Lucifer is identified as this fallen star 04:46 and that's what we see in Revelation chapter 8 04:49 and Revelation chapter 9, 04:51 we got the star fallen from heaven and what is he doing? 04:54 He's weakening the nations, he's weakening the nations... 04:57 that's exactly what the symbolism is... 04:59 that we see is taking place here 05:01 in Revelation chapters 8 and 9, we see a fallen star coming down 05:04 and weakening the nations, 05:07 now when we get to our last prophetic cycle 05:09 which begins in chapter 12, the symbolism is almost dropped 05:14 it simply says there that Satan has come down to the earth 05:18 having great power, his time is short 05:20 and he's seeking to deceive those who dwell on the earth. 05:22 It's just plain and simple, 05:24 right now we've got the symbolism 05:26 we've got an angel fallen from heaven 05:28 and he's given the key of the bottomless pit, 05:30 we've got to figure that out all the symbols, 05:32 well, key represents control... 05:33 bottomless pit is the earth in the state it was in before 05:37 before God moved upon it with the Spirit... 05:39 it was dark and without form and void and chaotic 05:42 and this angel represents Satan but in Revelation 12, 05:45 all the symbols are dropped and it's clear... crystal clear 05:47 Satan is there... he's deceiving the world... 05:50 so as we look at these prophetic cycles, 05:53 again, they help us, now we're moving forward 05:54 instead of backwards but I wanted to move forward 05:56 because the next one really helps us to understand. 05:58 Ivor: I'm just thinking about 05:59 something as we're talking about this 06:01 and it is very interesting because 06:02 what are the two things that are dark in here? 06:05 It's the sun and the air... it's the light and the air... 06:08 remember we talked about how the air is symbolic 06:11 of the Holy Spirit, you go back to Genesis... 06:13 the earth is without form and void 06:16 and what is it missing? 06:17 It's missing two things... the Spirit... and light... 06:19 there's the first thing that "Let there be light... " 06:22 the Spirit of God moved so we're actually looking at a reversal 06:25 it's almost like Satan is trying to undo... 06:29 you know what I'm saying... what God has done, 06:32 he's warring against God's desire 06:36 to bring order and harmony, you know what I'm saying? 06:39 So, the Dark Ages... represent Satan saying 06:42 "I'm trying to weaken the nations, 06:45 I'm trying to mess everything up that I possibly can. " 06:48 Jason: Hmmm... hmmm... Ivor: Yeah. 06:49 James: And there's a connection there also 06:51 because in Genesis, we're in creation, 06:53 and creation reminds us of God's creative power 06:56 and, of course, that's connected to the Sabbath 06:58 which is a memorial of creation 07:00 so we're going to see more of that develop 07:02 as we get into our 4th prophetic cycle 07:04 in connection with the Sabbath and worship 07:06 and how the whole world is called to worship God 07:09 or to worship Satan... through a counterfeit system... 07:11 so that's going to be real interesting, 07:12 okay, let's get right into where we left off here 07:16 in Revelation chapter 9 07:18 because we're looking at the rise of this locust army 07:21 and just to summarize in just a couple of sentences 07:24 the locust army represents the Muslims 07:26 who were raised up... 07:27 just like the locust army in the Old Testament... 07:29 Nebuchadnezzar... raised up to chastise God's apostate people 07:32 and as the Muslims come in... as Nebuchadnezzar came in... 07:36 they protected those who were faithful to God 07:38 Jeremiah was protected by Nebuchadnezzar 07:40 and the Muslims... it says there in verse 4... 07:43 hurt everyone except those who have the seal of God 07:45 and, of course, the seal of God is definitely an end-time test 07:50 we know that... but the seal of God is also 07:52 eternal experience that God's people have always had 07:56 that means we've settled into the truth by the Holy Spirit 07:58 and, of course, that settling in the truth is a sealing 08:02 that we receive from God and in Ephesians chapter 1 08:04 the sealing takes place through the Holy Spirit 08:06 and in the last days it's especially going to be 08:08 applicable to... I believe... 08:10 this worship issue... this issue of worship... 08:12 and the Sabbath that we'll develop more 08:15 in our 4th prophetic cycle. 08:16 Yvonne: Can we review again how you came to 08:19 the understanding that it's the Muslims 08:22 because I think that's a... 08:25 a lot of people are going to wonder 08:27 like, how again did you get there 08:29 and so I'd like to just kind of review that. 08:32 Ivor: Let me summarize that if we can 08:33 and we're just going to summarize it 08:35 using the principles that we've been talking here 08:37 going through each portion of the sevens... 08:39 cycles of sevens... Yvonne: Yes... yes... 08:41 Ivor: And churches, seals, trumpets, right... so... 08:45 so, we're in the... we're in the fifth trumpet 08:49 right and we're looking at what just came before that 08:54 okay, so, we know that is the Roman Catholic System 08:59 we learn that from church number four 09:01 that this was a church that are the Dark Ages... 09:04 we know that the trumpets 09:05 are an answer to the prayers of the saints 09:08 right, the saints are praying why? 09:10 Because they're being persecuted. 09:11 Yvonne: Right. 09:12 Ivor: So... Jerusalem... first enemy of the church... 09:14 they fell under the 1st trumpet... 09:17 Rome... the second enemy of the church... 09:21 200... 300 A.D. they fall at the 2nd trumpet 09:24 the next enemy of the church of the Papacy... 09:28 okay, I'm sorry... not the Papacy... 09:30 of God's church is the Papacy and that lasts 09:35 all the 1,260 years... so during this time period, 09:40 the trumpets that come after this... 09:42 are all pointed towards the papacy... 09:45 we are looking for an army... 09:48 which is... remember how we talked letting prophecy 09:51 determine the history we had before? Yvonne: Yes... 09:53 Ivor: So as we see this army attacking the Papacy... 09:55 "Man, well, did an army attack the... 09:58 what army attacked the Papacy during the Dark Ages? 10:01 Oh, there's only one power, it's not the Chinese, 10:04 it's not the Russians... 10:05 it's one power and one power only... " 10:08 it's an inescapable conclusion 10:10 that the army we're looking at here is Islam. 10:14 Yvonne: Wow! that's good thank you. 10:16 James: Then what we did was we just looked at 10:18 some of the characteristics 10:19 so we looked at... and I've got a list on here 10:21 and I'm just going to go through them real quickly 10:23 because I think it will be helpful as we go through this. 10:26 Yvonne: Yeah, while you're looking, I mean, 10:27 I just think this is so good because people are going to say, 10:31 "How did we get there?" 10:32 And... because they don't see the actual Word 10:36 so, how did we get there? 10:40 And so, what you guys are doing is just a blessing. 10:43 James: Yeah and it's... it's... a lot of times, 10:46 the Bible is very explicit 10:48 in how it identifies a specific power 10:50 in Daniel, for example, it will talk about a he-goat 10:54 and a ram and then at the end it says, 10:56 "You know, that was Medo-Persia and that was Grecia... " 10:59 but in other times... like in Daniel 7, 11:02 it doesn't actually identify the power 11:04 that's described there as the "little horn" 11:06 it doesn't identify it by name but it gives characteristics 11:10 so, we're sitting at the table right now 11:13 and the characteristics that God gives 11:16 to try to identify would be like me saying, 11:18 "Okay, one of us... sitting at this table has a tie on" 11:22 and so far you've nailed that down to three people 11:26 and you're excluded, okay. Yvonne: Right. 11:27 James: Okay, "The same person that has a tie on 11:29 has blue in the tie... " and now we've just excluded me 11:33 "and that same person that has a tie 11:36 and has blue in the tie is black... 11:40 and has a mustache... " 11:42 now I haven't limited these two yet... you see what I'm saying? 11:46 "And is nice looking and young... " 11:51 Jason: Oh, thank you... thank you... 11:55 James: "And has a girlfriend. " 12:03 James: "Who he considers to be his wife... " 12:07 Yvonne: Oh... 12:11 James: Okay, see so, this is how we're looking at the timeframe 12:14 we've looked... all of that's there... 12:15 and then we have these characteristics 12:17 and so, one of the characteristics is, 12:18 "They torment for five months" 12:20 prophetically speaking, that's 150 years. 12:22 When we look at the history of the Muslims, 12:25 we look at these attacks... these incursions... 12:27 into the Eastern Roman Empire, where they go in and they leave, 12:30 they go in and they leave... and it was tormenting because 12:33 they would take out the livestock 12:37 and wreak havoc everywhere and then they would leave, 12:41 and the people would start all over again... 12:42 and they start all over again. 12:44 Ivor: That 150-year period, 12:45 30 days in a month times 5 months... 12:50 one day equals a year... and that's how we get the 150 years 12:54 from that five-month period, right, 12:57 when it says five months, yeah. 12:59 Yvonne: Oh... 13:00 James: And so, they would torment 13:02 and men would want to die but they couldn't die 13:05 because their life was just like... so futile 13:08 in just working and developing... 13:10 can you imagine you work for 10 to 20 years 13:14 and you buy a house and you start... 13:16 and then the economy flops and you lose everything, 13:18 then you start all over again, 13:19 well, that's what happened with these incursions of the Muslims 13:23 they come in and they take out everything and then they leave 13:25 and then they'd have to start all over again. 13:26 And then another indication here was... it says... 13:29 that they were riding horses... horses... 13:32 they were like horses riding the battle with... 13:34 that was the chief weapon of the Muslims, 13:36 they would come in on those horses, 13:38 Kooh... they'd go in... and kooh... they'd go out... 13:40 that was their chief weapon... and then it says 13:43 they had crowns of gold and these were 13:45 the turbans that they would wear that would shine in the sunshine 13:49 they had these golden turbans and they had hair like women 13:53 well, these turbans were wrapped around their heads 13:55 and they would hang down and they would look like 13:57 the hair of a woman and then it says, 14:00 "They had breastplates of iron" well the horses... 14:02 they would clad them with these iron breastplates 14:04 they would have their heads covered and they'd armor them up 14:07 so they were protected and then it says, 14:10 the sound of their wings was the sound of many horses 14:12 running the battle 14:13 and then it goes on to say that they had... 14:17 let's see what else... "A king over them... " 14:20 and so... at some point... and we're getting into our... 14:23 our sixth trumpet right now, at some point, 14:26 they all organized together under one Leader 14:29 and became the Ottoman Empire under Othman, 14:31 they became the Ottoman Empire so all of the characteristics 14:35 that we're seeing through here in addition to the timeframe, 14:38 add weight... so we say... "Okay, I guess the guy with the 14:42 with the tie... that's blue... that's nice looking... 14:46 and is young and has a girlfriend 14:49 that is actually his wife... is Ivor... after all... 14:52 and a mustache. " 14:55 Jason: Congratulations... Ivor: Girlfriend... 14:57 Yvonne: A perennial girlfriend, right... 15:00 Ivor: Let me add something here, James, 15:01 just to... kind of like... bring this together... 15:04 we may ask, "Well, why is... why is this history important?" 15:10 Right, okay, so you have Islam attacking... 15:13 making these raids... what was happening is 15:17 as Islam is attacking the Eastern Roman Empire, 15:20 they are calling out for help from guess who? 15:24 The Papacy... right... so Papacy, in the meantime, 15:29 their war is against... guess who? 15:32 The Protestant Reformation 15:33 but now they have to go and help Eastern Rome, 15:39 they're sending... 15:40 these Crusades were about sending warriors... 15:43 those who would fight to help Eastern Rome 15:47 from these Islamic invasions 15:49 so their attention is now being diverted, okay, 15:53 now, I'm going to have them turn to 15:56 Revelation 12 because we're just going to... 15:58 I just want to read these two verses very quickly 16:00 and kind of show you the context of what's going on here 16:03 in Revelation 12 verse 15, 16:05 could you read verse 15 and verse... 16:08 actually, you know what? Verse 14 to verse 16. 16:11 Yvonne: "And to the woman were given two wings 16:14 of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, 16:17 into her place, where she is nourished for a time, 16:20 and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. " 16:23 Ivor: Okay, pause right there, 16:25 so the woman... we know... represents the church, 16:29 the time times and a half represents the 1,260 years 16:32 she's gone into the wilderness 16:34 where she's trying to be protected 16:37 from the face of the serpent, 16:38 okay, we know the serpent is the dragon, 16:40 all right now, next verse. 16:42 Yvonne: "And the serpent cast out of his mouth, 16:44 water as a flood after the woman, 16:46 that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. " 16:49 Ivor: Okay, so, in the Bible water or flood would... 16:54 water represents peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues, 16:58 Satan is casting out of his mouth 17:00 peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues after the church 17:03 okay, in other words, he's trying to destroy her 17:07 and he's using military power, right, 17:09 he's using the... he's using the nations 17:11 because remember, he's ruling over the... 17:13 the Papacy is ruling over the nations 17:15 so they're using these nations, military might 17:18 to try to destroy the Protestant Movement. 17:21 James: And specifically the flood in Isaiah 59 17:23 represents the enemy... 17:24 when the enemy shall come in like a flood 17:26 so it's the enemy of God's people... 17:28 Ivor: Absolutely... so here you have them 17:31 diverting the... you know... trying to destroy the woman 17:34 but look at verse 16. 17:36 Yvonne: "And the earth helped the woman, 17:38 and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood 17:41 which the dragon cast out of his mouth. " 17:43 Ivor: Okay, so, remember what we just talked... 17:45 what did we open the program with? 17:47 James: The Abyss... 17:48 Ivor: The Abyss... what is that? 17:50 It's the earth before it was... in darkness... right... 17:55 here, the Bible is telling us that 17:57 the earth opened up its mouth and when it does that 18:01 this event helps the woman by swallowing up the flood. 18:06 In Revelation 9, what do we see happening? 18:10 The earth opens her mouth, Islam comes out 18:14 and guess what? 18:15 The rise of Islam diverts the flood... 18:20 "Oh man, we got to go deal with this power... " 18:23 and that diverting of the flood helps the woman... 18:27 gives her time to grow... gives her time to be nourished 18:33 this is what we have happening here 18:35 so even though it looks like Islam is rising up and like, 18:38 "Oh man, this is an evil, wicked power" 18:40 remember God is using this power 18:42 to divert the attention of the Papacy 18:45 to answer the prayers of the saints... 18:48 Yvonne: Hmmm... 18:49 Ivor: Which is the purpose of the trumpet. 18:50 Where is all this folding at? The Altar of Incense 18:54 the saints are praying, 18:56 "Lord, you've got to finish the work, 18:58 you've got to finish the work... " 18:59 God says, "We're going to blow a trumpet, 19:01 we'll then get these people... 19:02 we're going to get my people moving 19:04 and we're going to help them to accomplish their mission. " 19:08 Yvonne: Wow! James: Hmmm... hmmm... 19:09 Ivor: Okay, so that kind of gives again, the big picture of, 19:13 "Okay, this is what's going on, 19:15 this is why this history is important. " 19:17 Yvonne: Right... right... 19:18 it's so amazing to me because you can check with history 19:23 and see what happened at this particular point 19:28 and then that corroborates with the Word. 19:30 Ivor: Absolutely. 19:32 James: Yes, and that's what we want to do. 19:34 We want to let the Word, in Bible prophecy, especially, 19:37 interpret itself... and so we go to the Bible 19:39 and we look at, "What does the bottomless pit mean, 19:41 what's this fallen star... what is...?" 19:43 and then... "What are the locusts? 19:44 How does God use those before... " 19:46 so when we go into the Bible especially the Old Testament 19:48 and look for the typology and look for the symbolism 19:50 and then we apply it... 19:52 then we want to see if history confirms that. 19:54 Does history confirm what we just figured out here? 19:56 Yvonne: Right. 19:57 James: Was there an army that came against the... 19:59 during the Dark Ages... and actually helped? 20:01 Yes, there was an army that came against the Papacy 20:03 during the Dark Ages and actually 20:05 it was like a Locust Army with horses and breastplates 20:07 and it actually helped... it actually relieved 20:10 the persecution that came against the woman 20:12 and the Reformation was able to grow because of that army. 20:14 Ivor: And another thing, the crucial thing 20:17 is understanding the context of the story 20:20 because, again, if we said, 20:22 "No, this 5th trumpet is something else... " 20:24 it's, you know, "the bombing of the World Trade Center" 20:28 it will be like... "I'm just... " 20:31 "How would that fit into the big picture? 20:34 How would that fit into the context 20:36 of the time period we're looking at?" 20:37 The reason why these... the things we've been doing 20:40 to kind of set all this up is so important 20:42 is because, you begin to see everything 20:44 fall into place in context. 20:46 You understand the, "Why" it's not just, 20:48 "Oh okay, this represents an invasion of Islam... " 20:52 there's a "why" to it... and when we can begin to understand 20:55 the "whys" everything begins to make sense, 20:58 it's easier to look and understand and read 21:01 and see it in the context of the bigger picture. 21:04 James: That's really important, all right, let's get into it, 21:07 Revelation chapter... not 12... not 11... 21:10 though 11 is going to have some interesting points in it too, 21:13 the timeliness... we're looking at Revelation chapter 9, 21:15 let's just start reading here, 21:17 Jason, you want to read for us Revelation chapter 9 21:20 and verses 12, 13, 14... yeah, 12 through 14. 21:28 Ivor: James, do you want to touch on the five months, 21:31 the beginning time and... 21:32 because I don't think we touched on that... 21:34 the five months or do you want to wait 21:36 and connect it with... 21:37 we didn't touch on the starting point of the five months 21:41 and the ending point. 21:43 James: Yeah, you're right, that's a good question, 21:46 we should probably touch on that 21:48 but let's do that as we get in this time period 21:50 in verse 15. Ivor: Hmmm... hmmm... 21:51 James: We'll start with the introduction to the first... 21:52 and second woe 21:54 and then we'll get into this as we hit the time... 21:55 then second time point. 21:57 Jason: All right, starting on verse 12, 21:59 chapter 9, "One woe is past; 22:03 and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. 22:05 And the sixth angel sounded, 22:07 and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar 22:10 which is before God, 22:12 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, 22:15 Loose the four angels which are bound 22:17 in the great river Euphrates. " 22:19 James: Okay, now, oh, and let's read verse 15, sorry Jason. 22:23 Jason: Okay, "And the four angels were loosed, 22:25 which were prepared for an hour, and a day, 22:28 and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. " 22:31 James: All right, now, in this... 22:33 Jason: There's that "third" again. 22:35 James: There's that "third" again 22:36 and in this second woe, 22:38 we're introduced to a time period 22:39 and this time period can either be punctiliar... 22:43 that is... a point in time... a day, an hour, a month, a year 22:47 a date in time or it can be cumulative, 22:49 in other words, we're taking all of those 22:52 little phrases and we're adding them together 22:54 and coming up with a time prophecy. 22:55 Now, either one of those is interpreted by many scholars 23:00 for hundreds of years the Historicist's position has been 23:06 that it's cumulative... 23:07 and that's the position we're going to take. 23:09 but there are many voices that say, "It's punctiliar" 23:12 in other words... it's a time in history... 23:14 it's a place in history... 23:15 now, there's good reason for both interpretations 23:20 and I don't want us to go into all of the detail of that 23:22 for those who are viewing the Program, 23:25 we'll put it in the notes, 23:26 we'll have it available in the notes 23:27 but what we want to do is, we want to see 23:30 if the cumulative interpretation actually fits 23:35 with events that took place in history, 23:37 we're going to do the same thing we've been doing, 23:39 we're going to look at how the Bible interprets this 23:41 and then we're going to see if it fits in history 23:43 and the first thing we want to note 23:45 in relation to the Bible interpretation 23:46 before you get into the 150 and... 23:49 is, we want to note this phrase which is in verse 13 23:52 because as soon as the second woe was introduced, 23:56 the first woe is passed... the second woe is introduced... 23:58 it says that the sixth angel sounds 24:00 and there's a voice from the four horns of the golden altar 24:02 now that tells us something significant, 24:05 if we're following the Sanctuary symbolism, 24:07 the four horns of the golden altar... is Holy Place. 24:09 Yvonne: Right. 24:11 James: That means, that in the sequence of this history, 24:15 we are still in the Holy-Place ministry of Christ 24:18 which is pre-1844 so we're still before 1844 24:22 which is perfect for us 24:24 because so far, that's what we've established. 24:26 We've established that this rising up of this... 24:28 of this locust army 24:30 is all taking place during the Dark Ages. 24:33 So, now what we want to do is, 24:34 we want to go into the history of the Dark Ages 24:36 and we want to find out, was there... 24:40 were there specific dates 24:42 that relate to the rising up of this power 24:45 and its incursion into the Eastern Roman Empire 24:47 as well as... it's ability to come in 24:50 and bring death and destruction to this Empire 24:53 and indeed there was so we go back to the five months 24:56 we find that the day-for-a-year principle 24:59 30 days Biblically for a month... 25:01 150 years... a day for a year 150 days... 150 years, 25:05 we see a beginning date of July 27, 1299 25:10 now, July 27, 1299 is the time when we see 25:15 these Muslim powers coming together 25:18 with a king over them and starting to have an offensive 25:22 against the Eastern Empire, they've been going in... 25:26 they've been going in here and there 25:27 but now they've united... they have a king over them 25:29 and that's what we read here in verse 11, 25:32 "they had a king over them 25:34 which is the angel of the bottomless pit 25:35 whose name in the Hebrew is Abaddon, 25:37 but in the Greek tongue his name is... 25:38 he has his name Apollyon. " 25:39 And that word in Greek and Hebrew simply means, 25:43 "the destroyer... the destroyer... " 25:45 and again, we talked about how Satan is weakening the nations, 25:48 Jesus says in John 10:10, 25:50 that he came to do nothing but to kill and to destroy. 25:55 There are three words there... 25:56 Ivor: Kill, steal and destroy. James: Kill, steal and destroy. 25:58 He's stealing God's property, he's stealing this earth, 26:01 stealing the nations... killing and destroying. 26:03 So, behind the scenes, Satan is working... 26:06 he's working through every particular nation 26:09 that he can... and his ultimate goal is to destroy. 26:12 Yvonne: Hmmm... 26:13 James: Okay, and so they unite together... 26:15 they're coming in force... but then... 26:17 at 150 years from July 27, 1299 it brings us to July 27, 1449 26:25 and what happens in the Eastern Roman Empire 26:28 is John Palaiologos ascends to the throne 26:32 but only with the consent of the Muslim Emperor, 26:36 so he says, "I need your consent to ascend to the throne 26:38 of the Eastern Roman Empire... " now, you've got to understand, 26:40 he's in Muslim territory, almost, 26:43 there's a wall there, 26:44 Constantinople is like the last city that is just 26:48 a stronghold against the Muslims and so he's asking for consent 26:52 in other words, he's actually in a sense... 26:53 submitting himself to this power and its protection 26:58 and so that history and those historic events 27:02 give us a timeframe for the beginning and the ending 27:05 of this prophetic period, 27:06 we're running out of time right now 27:08 so, what we're going to do is, we're going to pick this up 27:10 review it a little bit and pick it up 27:11 and really get into it, you know, as we get back. 27:13 Yvonne: It's a cliffhanger... 27:15 James: Yes, it's a cliffhanger 27:16 so we'll continue, it's good stuff. 27:18 Jason, tell us what we need to do 27:19 if people want to get ahold of this program and ask questions. 27:22 Jason: Well, if they want to ask questions, 27:25 they can send their questions to sss@3abn. org 27:28 James: All right, so we'll look forward to questions. 27:30 Yvonne: And there are going to be 27:31 Study Guides available as well. 27:33 James: Yes, we want to have Study Guides... good deal 27:35 all right, so we'll get right back into this 27:38 in our next lesson. |
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