Participants: Ivor Myers (Host), James Rafferty (Host), Jason Bradley, Yvonne Lewis
Series Code: SISS
Program Code: SISS000054A
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00:29 So let's get into some good conversation
00:32 and we're talking about Bible conversation, 00:34 we're talking about Bible-prophecy conversation... 00:36 we're talking about being set among the beasts 00:38 here we are sitting among the beasts 00:40 of Revelation 13 and we're not afraid. 00:42 That's right... 00:43 Why we're not afraid? 00:45 Because as we have noted in Revelation 13 00:47 the Lamb is there... 00:49 the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world 00:51 is there so the Lamb is with us 00:53 and you know how the words of that hymn go... 00:56 "Anywhere with Jesus I can... " All: "safely go. " 01:00 James: "Anywhere... " All: Anywhere... 01:01 James: "fear I cannot know. " 01:03 So this is the basic theme that we're bringing 01:05 to the conversation and this is a conversation... 01:08 it's not like we know everything we've been studying this... 01:11 this book... these books for a long time 01:14 Ivor and I... for many, many years 01:16 I don't want to give away my age here but only 30... 01:19 and yet there are still things that we don't understand, 01:22 there are still questions that we have, 01:23 there's still light that needs to come to the table, 01:24 so this is a discussion and as we discuss this, 01:28 we ask questions 01:29 and those questions bring us more light and understanding 01:31 and we have some questions that our Viewers are asking, 01:33 one of them that we're going to ask right now 01:35 has to do with the 24 Elders, 01:36 we have a question that Yvonne brought up 01:39 about the "abomination of desolation" 01:40 and we want to get into that 01:42 and we want to continue our study in Revelation... 01:44 Matthew 24 and Revelation chapter 13... 01:46 Jason, would you pray for us before we get into it? 01:47 Sure, absolutely, "Dear Heavenly Father, 01:49 we thank you for the opportunity to study your Word again, 01:52 we ask that you would please send your Holy Spirit 01:55 to lead and guide us into all truth 01:56 and be with the Viewers and listeners, 01:58 and allow them to receive a blessing from this Program, 02:01 from studying your Word, in Jesus' name we pray, amen. " 02:04 "Amen. " 02:06 So the quick question here that is coming from Elsa is: 02:11 "Who are the 24 Elders in Revelation chapter 5 02:15 and also, do you have Bible Studies 02:17 to go along with your presentations?" 02:19 Now I'm going to answer the first part of that question 02:21 after... 02:23 pause... 02:25 Yvonne answers the second part of the question. 02:27 I think that I was caught... I was kind of hesitant there... 02:30 Yvonne: No it's fine... no, no, no, no... 02:32 we are actually editing the Bible Studies, 02:36 we do have 1 to 15 done. 02:38 James: Really? Yvonne: Yes, praise the Lord 02:42 and so, they should be up the website soon, 02:44 just check the website for the Bible Studies. 02:46 James: When you say 1 to 15, 02:48 you're talking about 1 to 15 of 50? 02:50 Is it one per program or is it... 02:52 Yvonne: No, it's just going to cover topics 02:56 so, we just... yeah, we're connecting... 02:59 and it will say that it's related to Programs 1 and 2 03:04 or 14 and 15... or... like that... 03:06 so, you know... 03:07 James: I just want to clarify that for our Viewers 03:09 because, we've done 50 so far 03:11 and with that... got us to Revelation 12... 03:13 and we're hoping in the next 15 or so... 03:16 to finish the book of Revelation we'll see what happens, 03:18 but that doesn't mean there's going to be 03:20 65 outlines or 70 outlines 03:23 and I think that's important because 03:25 some of our topics aren't necessarily an outline. 03:27 Jason: And if they don't know the website, it's D2Dnetwork. tv 03:30 that's where they can get them. 03:32 James: Can you say that one more time... that was...? 03:34 Jason: D2Dnetwork. tv 03:36 James: D2Dnetwork? Jason: Yeah. 03:38 James: Okay... 2 is a number? 03:40 Yvonne: D2Dnetwork 03:42 James: So 2 as in Dare 2 Dream. 03:44 Yvonne: Right. Jason: That's right. 03:45 James: D2D... I like that. 03:47 Yvonne: Yeah, D2Dnetwork. tv 03:49 James: Okay, the first part of the question, 03:50 "Who are the 24 Elders of Revelation chapter 5? 03:52 And I will just give a quick summary of that... 03:55 we have covered this in more detail 03:56 and there is a study on this 03:58 and I can sent the study to 3ABN that I have on it 04:01 if you want it to work off that, 04:03 I don't know how much they've done those 04:04 because I haven't seen it yet but I'd love to. 04:06 So, Revelation chapter 5... the 24 Elders plain and simple 04:09 are redeemed... the redeemed who were taken to heaven 04:12 with Christ at His resurrection 04:14 and you can find that a captivity was taken with Christ 04:18 at His resurrection... 04:19 a couple of verses in the Bible, the first one is in 04:22 Matthew chapter 27 27... and verses 52 and 53 04:30 I'm just giving the references, I'm not going to read them, 04:33 because we want to get into our study, 04:34 so Matthew 27:52 and 53 tells us how that Jesus... 04:38 at His resurrection... at his death... 04:41 many that were in their graves were resurrected... 04:45 they came forth after His resurrection 04:47 and they were taken to heaven according to Ephesians chapter 4 04:49 Ephesians 4 and verse... what is it? 04:54 Here it is... verse 8... 04:58 "Wherefore when he ascended up on high, 05:00 he led captivity captive. " 05:02 Now, the reason why we know these are the redeemed 05:05 is in the context of the text, 05:07 I'll tell you one thing for sure, 05:09 Elders... hundreds of uses in the Bible... 05:12 never applied to anyone but a human being, 05:14 never applied to anyone but a human being... 05:16 that word is never used to 05:17 describe anyone but a human being 05:19 so, it's here... what's really cool is that, 05:22 in Revelation chapter 4, you have a throne-room scene 05:25 and in Isaiah 6, you have a throne-room scene 05:28 and in Ezekiel 1 and 2, you have a throne-room scene, 05:31 in the Old Testament, 05:33 the throne-room scene never had the Elders... 05:34 Yvonne: Hmmm... 05:36 James: But in the New Testament, in Revelation... 05:38 when the Lamb slain is introduced, 05:39 now, you have the Elders. 05:41 Yvonne: Oh... great. 05:42 James: It's really a beautiful picture when you think about it 05:43 because God is saying, 05:45 "They're here... they're here, they're here... " 05:47 How do we know they're redeemed? 05:48 Because, the context of it tells us, 05:50 it says, "The 24 Elders were sitting on seats... or thrones 05:54 they had white raiment and crowns of gold on their heads 05:57 every one of these... 05:59 all three of these are what is promised to the seven churches 06:03 "to him that overcomes will sit on the throne with me... 06:06 to him who overcomes will have the white raiment... 06:07 to him who overcomes will have a crown... " 06:09 so these are the promises made to the seven churches 06:11 which represent God's redeemed, of course... every generation 06:14 and so, 24 Elders are given all of these 06:18 as... if you will... what's the word? 06:22 A promise, okay, that applies to all of us... 06:27 all of the redeemed 06:29 and then, finally, if you go back down here 06:30 to Revelation 5 in verse 8, it says 06:33 that when Christ takes the book, the four beasts... 06:37 "and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, 06:40 every one having harps of gold, 06:42 harps... and golden vials full of odours, 06:45 which are the prayers of the saints. 06:47 And they sing a new song," verse 9... 06:48 "saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, 06:50 and open the seals thereof: for you were slain 06:52 and you have redeemed us to God 06:55 by your blood out of... " where? 06:57 "every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. " 07:01 Okay, now, I really love the King James on this, 07:04 you're going to get some other versions... 07:07 they're going to... change this a little bit 07:10 and it makes it... doesn't quite give the same meaning 07:12 that you have here... but meaning is just nails it, 07:14 so, you've got the context of Revelation 4, 07:17 the white raiment... the golden crowns... 07:19 the thrones... you've got the context of Revelation chapter 5, 07:22 "you have redeemed us by your blood 07:23 out of every nation, kindred, tongue and people... " 07:25 the fact that "Elders" are only ever applied to human beings 07:27 and then you've got the throne-room scene 07:29 in the Old Testament minus the 24 Elders 07:31 but then when Jesus is crucified there's the 24 Elders 07:34 then you've got Christ raising that group of captives 07:36 from the grave 07:38 when He went to heaven at His resurrection. 07:40 Yvonne: Wow! Beautiful! 07:41 James: That's it... and then there's a full study on it 07:43 if you'd like to have it... 07:45 we can send that to you, just ask for it. 07:46 All right, we're in Matthew 24, we left off in Matthew 24. 07:50 Ivor: Yeah. 07:52 James: We're in Revelation 13 but we're in Matthew 24 07:53 and we're making the connections. 07:55 Ivor: So, let me just do a little re-cap... 07:57 we talked about in the book of Revelation 13 07:59 that the deadly wound... when it is healed... 08:04 it parallels the fire that falls... the miracle fire 08:08 in Revelation 13 that we read as well... 08:09 that miracle is what moves the people to make this image 08:13 and the image is what brings 08:16 the people of God face-to-face with persecution. 08:18 So, in other words, just like the story of Daniel 08:21 or Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego... 08:23 when the image is set up 08:24 whosoever doesn't bow down, you're going to be persecuted, 08:27 so then we went back to Matthew 24 08:30 and saw that Jesus said that there was going to be 08:33 something that we should look out for 08:35 when we see this thing... 08:36 that's when the whole world is going to "wonder" 08:39 but you guys don't wonder because 08:41 you know that when I come, this is how I'm coming. 08:45 When you see the "abomination of desolation" 08:47 and that's the question that you have... 08:49 "What is the abomination of desolation?" Yvonne: Right. 08:51 Ivor: When you see the abomination of desolation 08:53 stand in the Holy Place, 08:54 then, let him who reads, understand 08:57 that when you see this thing... you know that this is it. 09:01 Right, so, Matthew 24 verse 15 is a verse that tells us 09:05 "when you see the abomination of desolation 09:07 standing in the Holy Place. " 09:08 In the book of Luke, there's a parallel 09:11 and let's look at what Luke says in Luke 21 09:17 and we're going to look at verse, I believe, it's 20. 09:22 James: By-the-way, Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 09:26 are all prophetic chapters that parallel Revelation... 09:30 Daniel and Revelation, 09:31 same with 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2. 09:34 So, when we're looking at Luke 21, 09:36 we want to be thinking, "Ah, this is prophecy... " 09:39 because, you know, we're thinking about Luke, 09:40 "Oh, that's a gospel... Matthew, that's a gospel... " 09:43 but Luke 21 is prophecy... Matthew 24... it's prophecy... 09:46 Mark 13... it's prophecy... 09:47 those are three prophetic sections of these gospels. 09:50 Ivor: Yep, yep, so, Luke 21 verse 20, 09:53 this is Luke's parallel, right, to what Matthew wrote 09:59 but Luke says it this way, 10:00 "And when you shall see Jerusalem 10:03 compassed with... " what? 10:06 "armies, then you shall know 10:08 that the desolation thereof is nigh. 10:10 Then let them which are in Judaea... " 10:12 so you see the parallel... 10:14 James: I circled that word... Ivor: Say again... 10:15 James: "armies" I circled that word. 10:16 Ivor: "armies... " circled that word. 10:18 James: And all of a sudden... boom! 10:19 Ivor: James and I are having a moment here. 10:21 James: Yeah. Yvonne: Oh okay... all right. 10:24 Laughter... 10:25 Ivor: So, "armies" right? 10:26 Armies... so the question is, okay, well, in order to find out 10:30 what the "abomination of desolation" is 10:32 all we need to do is see, "Who are the armies... 10:34 surrounding God's people at the end of time. " 10:37 Let's go back to the book of Revelation 10:39 and we'll see that... what the army consists of. 10:45 So, Revelation... we'll go to let's go to chapter 16, 10:52 let's go to Revelation chapter 16 10:54 and Yvonne, if you can read for me, verse 13. 10:58 "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs 11:02 coming out of the mouth of the dragon, 11:03 out of the mouth of the beast, 11:05 and out of the mouth of the false prophet. " 11:07 Ivor: Next verse. 11:08 Yvonne: "For they are the spirits of demons 11:10 performing signs which go out 11:12 to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them 11:15 to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. " 11:18 Ivor: Okay, so here we see this parallel again 11:20 in Revelation 13, 11:23 the whole world wonders 11:25 when the wound is finally fully healed... 11:27 in Revelation 13 verse 13, fire comes down on the earth 11:31 and the whole world is deceived by these miracles 11:34 and they make this image which brings about persecution. 11:37 We go over to Matthew 24, 11:39 when you see the "abomination of desolation" 11:41 everybody is going to wonder... what... 11:44 "but know, that when I come 11:46 my coming is going to be like lightning. " 11:48 And by-the-way, we saw in the last Program, 11:51 that when it talks about fire in Revelation 13, 11:53 the word there is used for lightning... 11:55 this miracle of fire is a miracle of lightning, 11:58 what did Jesus say? "When I come, 12:00 it will be like lightning from the east even unto the west. " 12:03 So what we're seeing here 12:05 is that the "abomination of desolation" 12:07 is a combination of the dragon... 12:11 Satan himself appearing as Christ... 12:14 the beast... the Papal authority 12:17 and the false prophet... apostate Protestantism 12:21 which we are going to identify 12:23 once we get further into the book of Revelation 13 12:25 but these are the armies that basically 12:28 are surrounding the people of God 12:31 at the end of time, they're the ones going out 12:33 and they're doing this... they... 12:35 they gather the world through miracles... 12:38 miracles... so remember... 12:40 now when I think of "abomination of desolation" 12:42 oh! when I see this three-fold union... 12:46 of dragon... beast... false prophet... 12:49 right now, we actually see a union of how many? 12:53 Two... we see apostate Protestantism 12:56 and we see the Papacy working together 12:59 but they don't have as much authority, 13:02 Islam isn't listening to them, you know what I'm saying? 13:05 It's like, "Whatever, whatever... " 13:07 the whole world is like, "Whatever, whatever... " 13:08 Well, guess what? When someone comes 13:12 appearing as the Messiah Himself, 13:15 yeah, then everyone is going to listen up, 13:18 and by-the-way, the Bible says... 13:23 and when Jesus speaks of the "abomination of desolation," 13:25 He says, "When you see the 'abomination of desolation' 13:27 stand in the Holy Place" 13:28 now, that's interesting because it doesn't say 13:30 we see him standing in the Most Holy Place 13:32 it says, "when you see him stand in the Holy Place" 13:35 so what's in the Holy Place? 13:36 Do you remember? James: Hmmm... hmmm... 13:38 Ivor: The three articles of furniture, right? 13:40 There is the candlestick, there is the Altar of Incense 13:43 and there is the Table of Shewbread. 13:45 Okay, where is the Table of Shewbread located? 13:49 On the sides of the north. 13:52 Ha... so, what did Lucifer want to do in heaven? 13:56 He wanted to sit on the sides of the north. 13:59 The thing that got him kicked out of heaven, 14:01 the thing that made... okay, done... 14:03 when he wanted to sit in the temple of God, 14:06 showing himself that he is God. Yvonne: Wow! 14:09 Ivor: He says, "When you see the abomination of desolation 14:12 stand in the Holy Place... " 14:13 ah... this is what... in fact, Paul warns us 14:18 that the "man of sin" which is a power... 14:22 it's not a specific individual per se, 14:25 it's a power... it's a... 14:27 this power "the man of sin" is a combination 14:30 of dragon, beast, false prophet 14:33 with Satan himself leading out 14:36 and I don't know if you've ever seen this, James, 14:38 but when the Bible says in 2nd Thessalonians 14:42 that he will sit in the temple of God 14:44 showing himself that he is God and it says, 14:49 "Let no man deceive you for that day shall not come 14:53 except the man of sin be revealed... " 14:54 that word, "revealed" is the Greek word, "apokalupto. " 15:00 All: Hmmm... 15:01 Ivor: Apocalypse... 15:03 why that's what the book of Revelation is called 15:06 which means "the revealing" or the revelation of Jesus Christ 15:12 Oh... so you mean Satan himself will come as an angel of light 15:18 performing miracles and telling the world, 15:22 you know what? You guys have been... 15:23 talking against the Papacy, 15:24 you've been talking against... 15:26 these are my people, this is true 15:28 and here is a miracle just to show you 15:29 that what they have been trying to tell you 15:31 he has been right all along. 15:33 James: What's really interesting I think 15:35 Ivor in what you're saying now... 15:36 and I've got a lot of thoughts going through my brain here 15:38 and so I want to share a few of them... 15:39 first of all, that Satan will likely then appear 15:43 as the person that is revealed in Revelation chapter 1 15:47 the personage of Christ in Revelation chapter 1, 15:49 because there's a picture of Him there, 15:50 He's got hair like wool down to the shoulders 15:53 feet like brass... 15:54 that's the personage that I think Satan's going to take on 15:57 the counterfeit... he's going to take on 15:59 so he would be getting into the Word of God 16:00 and trying to counterfeit the Word of God, 16:02 as much as possible, 16:03 if possible the elect will be deceived, 16:05 and then you have this correlation... 16:07 we correlated the two beasts here, 16:09 you've got the dragon which represents primarily Satan 16:11 working through earthly powers 16:12 and the dragon was a wonder that John saw in heaven 16:16 and so, this power began in heaven, 16:18 then you've got the land beast 16:21 which has the same basic configuration 16:23 seven heads, ten horns, crowns on his head... 16:25 seven heads... ten horns... 16:26 so here now is the earthly manifestation 16:29 of the work of Satan that began in heaven. 16:31 James: So you've got the heavenly manifestation 16:33 deceiving the angels, 16:34 you've got the earthly manifestation 16:35 deceiving the world... 16:37 two forms of the same power coming at us. 16:39 Ivor: And I need to just throw this in here... right in here 16:41 just... the little horn of Daniel 7... 16:45 in Revelation 12, the Bible says, 16:48 "the dragon cast the stars to the ground" 16:51 you read about the description of the Little Horn... 16:54 in Daniel 7... the final... 16:56 the power that thinks to change times and laws... 16:59 what does it do? 17:00 It cast down the stars to the ground... 17:03 the Bible said that the Little Horn 17:05 uprooted the third of the stars... 17:07 I'm sorry... the dragon uprooted the third of the stars... 17:10 the Little Horn uproots one third of the ten horns. 17:14 James: Yeah. Yvonne: Ohhhhh! James: It's a parallel. 17:16 Ivor: So it's almost as if God is saying to you, 17:18 "Look, if you've seen the Little Horn, 17:21 you've seen... you've seen Satan. " 17:22 James: The power behind him. 17:24 Ivor: You've seen the power behind him. James: Yup. 17:25 Ivor: Jesus said, "You've seen me... 17:27 you've seen the Father. " 17:28 You look at the Little Horn, 17:29 you're looking at the work that Satan has done 17:31 but ultimately, Satan himself... 17:33 and well I think we said it in the Program before, 17:35 "The Little Horn is to Satan 17:36 what John the Baptist was to Jesus. " 17:38 James: Yeah, you did say that. 17:39 Ivor: He prepares the way 17:41 for the coming of the "final deception... " yes. 17:45 James: I like where we're at right here in Revelation 16, 17:49 the reason I like this is because 17:50 these verses are not really taking place... in 16... 17:56 16 is like... close relation to... 17:58 these verses are taking place now 18:00 and we know that because when you read the verses, 18:03 the next verse says, Revelation 16 verse 15, 18:07 "Behold, I come as a thief. 18:09 Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, 18:11 lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. " 18:14 That's holding on to the righteousness of Christ, 18:16 that's holding on to our gift of salvation... grace... 18:20 that's holding on to Christ with everything we've got 18:23 because we have nothing else to offer 18:24 and we're doing that as we're being bombarded by frogs 18:28 and frogs... that plague of frogs was really interesting 18:31 because the frogs... the plague of the frogs was that 18:35 they were everywhere... they were everywhere, 18:38 so these three unclean spirits are bombarding us 18:41 and they are gathering us, now, verse 16 repeats that thought 18:45 and I just want to bring this out... 18:47 I don't know if we have time. 18:48 Ivor: I know, I was thinking, shall we go and see... 18:50 but... we'll do it again. 18:51 James: It's good, it's good because this... 18:53 all of this really needs to be unfolded 18:54 before we get to this in time 18:56 otherwise, it will not make sense... yeah, 18:59 so verse 16 says this, "And he gathered them... " 19:02 and who is he gathering... He's gathering the entire world, 19:04 he's gathering the entire world 19:05 "he gathered them to the place called 19:08 in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon" 19:10 the only place in the Bible, 19:11 New Testament... Armageddon is used, 19:13 the only place... Armageddon... "battle of the Megiddo" 19:15 in Mount of the Megiddo, I don't want to go to that yet, 19:17 I want to go to the word, "gathered" 19:19 you look up the word "gathered" 19:20 in verse 16, you know what it means? 19:22 One of the definitions for the word, "gathered" 19:26 in verse 16 is, "to entertain" 19:29 to entertain... in other words... 19:32 Satan is working through these... this... 19:35 these frogs... which are everywhere... 19:37 Satan is everywhere... entertaining us, 19:39 everywhere... he's entertaining us, 19:41 he wants to entertain us out of the kingdom of God. 19:45 So you got it right here, on your phone... you got your TV 19:49 you got your movies, you're on the plane... 19:51 you know, it used to be... 19:52 it used to take a lot of money to watch a movie on a plane, 19:55 now-a-days, you just dial them in... 19:56 and they're just right there... 19:58 everywhere you go, you've got your Red Box 20:00 for a dollar... whatever it is... 20:02 you've got everywhere... 20:04 you just download events... 20:05 everywhere... entertainment, sports, 20:07 one thing after another, 20:09 even our political system, 20:11 I'm going to say this year was all about entertainment 20:13 who could entertain the most was going to get the most votes 20:16 that's basically what it was, it's about Twitter... 20:18 I'm not saying we shouldn't use these, 20:20 I think we should use them, I think... 20:22 I use Facebook, I use Twitter, I use media 20:24 to reach people with the gospel 20:26 but we need to be so careful 20:28 because there's such a fine line there 20:29 between ministry and outreach 20:32 and then, mesmerism, hypnotism 20:34 and just being completely taken in and mesmerized 20:38 and hooked on one form of entertainment after another 20:41 including news... it's just a form of entertainment 20:44 because God is opening up for us in chapter 16, 20:47 God is opening up for us 20:49 how these powers are actually working 20:51 they're working to entertain us, so we're talking now, 20:54 Ivor is breaking down what it's going to look like 20:58 when the religious and the civil powers come together 21:01 there's going to be persecution, there's going to be this... 21:03 that's true... 21:05 but how does that work out practically in our lives? 21:07 When we leave here today 21:08 when our Viewers turn off this Program and they go about... 21:11 what is it that is preparing them either for heaven 21:15 or preparing them to be deceived? 21:17 It's entertainment. 21:19 Are we holding on to Christ's righteousness? 21:21 Are we studying Christ? 21:23 Are we following the Lamb wherever He goes? 21:24 Are we spending time in the Word of God? 21:25 Are we surrounding ourselves with spiritual influences 21:29 or are we being entertained out of spiritual places... 21:33 away from Jesus Christ. 21:35 Is the majority of our time spent 21:38 focusing on anything and everything but Christ? 21:41 Ivor: So let me build something on that now. 21:43 James: Build on... 21:45 Ivor: So, these frogs, okay... 21:48 can we think of another place in the Bible that deals with frogs? 21:53 Yvonne: Egypt... Ivor: Egypt... 21:55 okay, when these frogs... in the Old Testament, 22:00 you've got the story of the frogs 22:02 with the plagues and Moses... 22:05 the reason that these... 22:08 when you look at the story of Moses, 22:10 you'll see that on the first plague 22:12 Moses, I think he turns the water to blood... 22:18 and then the magicians... they counterfeit that miracle. 22:25 Okay, when it gets to the frogs, they counterfeit that miracle 22:30 the frogs were a miracle from God... 22:33 but the magicians counterfeited that miracle, 22:38 okay, after the frogs... 22:40 they could no longer counterfeit any of Moses' miracles, 22:43 so check this out... the frogs were the last miracle 22:47 that they were able to pull off... 22:52 what is the last miracle... that Satan will pull off 22:58 the impersonation of Christ. 23:00 Now, along with that, okay, this... these... 23:04 we're talking about these frogs and the miracles, 23:07 when Jesus comes again, 23:10 what happens when He comes again? 23:13 Yvonne: Every eye will see Him. Ivor: Every eye will see Him... 23:15 yes, but there's something else that happens too, 23:17 Yvonne: We'll be changed in a moment... 23:20 Ivor: We'll be changed... praise God... 23:22 but there's something else that happens too. 23:23 James: The resurrection of the righteous. 23:25 Ivor: The resurrection of dead people, 23:27 you can talk to me... I'm going to get excited... 23:31 Yvonne: Ohhhhh... come on... come on... 23:33 Ivor: When Jesus comes again, 23:34 the dead are going to come back to life. 23:36 James: That's right. Jason: Hmmm... 23:38 Ivor: Satan's final miracle is not only, 23:43 "Hey, look, Christ is here... but to verify that I am Christ, 23:47 look, you've got dead people that are now talking to you. " 23:50 Now, watch this... if you haven't been studying your Bible 23:54 and being... "Oh... hey, what are we going to do now?" 23:58 When this overwhelming deception hits, 24:04 where you have dead people appearing and saying, 24:08 "Yeah, this is the Lord... " 24:10 if you don't know your Bible, 24:12 if you haven't been taking the time to really know 24:15 what you know... guess what? 24:17 The whole world "wondered" when this deadly wound was healed... 24:23 when this thing happens... 24:25 and by-the-way... 24:27 I don't know what your definition you saw 24:30 for Armageddon... but from what I've studied 24:33 it's two words... "Har" which is Mount... 24:35 and "Megiddo... " congregation... 24:38 it is the Mount of the Congregation 24:41 which is the sides... on the sides of the north. 24:45 So, he's gathering all this... specifically to war 24:49 against the Mount of the Congregation, 24:51 against God's people... 24:53 the armies are going to surround God's people 24:56 and your senses are going to be overloaded with miracles 25:02 and if you're not firmly rooted on the Word of God, 25:06 understanding... look... this is... oh yeah... 25:11 Yvonne: Wow! 25:12 James: There are two definitions of Armageddon... 25:16 Armageddon... valley of Megiddo is another one 25:19 but both of them lead to the same conclusion 25:21 because if you go to the valley of Megiddo, 25:23 in the Middle East, 25:25 the Mount that you see there in Megiddo, is Mount Carmel. 25:28 Fire from heaven... Mount Carmel... 25:30 when you go to Mount Carmel, you have the same war... 25:33 the same battle that's been revealed right here 25:35 you have a call to an apostate people, 25:37 who are following Jezebel and worshipping "the lord," 25:40 to worship God... 25:41 you have a decision that has to be made between Baal and God. 25:45 You have the three-and-a-half years, 25:46 you have the fire coming down from heaven, 25:47 you have all of the same principles 25:50 being revealed there in that Old Testament story 25:52 that you see being duplicated now in the New Testament. 25:55 Only, this time, the counterfeit fire comes before the... 25:58 the counterfeit lightning comes before the real lightning 26:01 and we're calling people not to believe the counterfeit 26:03 so Baal's prophets weren't able to bring down counterfeit fire, 26:07 but in the end of time, 26:08 there's going to be some counterfeit fire 26:10 before the real lightning comes. 26:11 Ivor: And again, this is what makes the whole world... 26:14 you talk about ISIS... you talk about all the... 26:18 James: Islam... they're looking for the second coming of Christ, 26:20 they're looking for the second coming of Christ. 26:22 Ivor: And for Atheists... guess what? 26:23 Seeing is believing... so hey, "You guys... " 26:27 when they see this, hey... 26:30 James: The Atheists are very impressed with the Pope 26:31 simply because of the way that he conducts himself, 26:33 "Who is able to make war with him?" 26:35 Is what the Bible says 26:36 and before we're through here, 26:38 the question on the "abomination of desolation... " 26:40 we've just answered it, 26:42 so the "abomination of desolation" 26:43 is the counterfeit of the truth, 26:45 it's the counterfeit of the truth. 26:47 So, not just one counterfeit but every single counterfeit 26:50 is an "abomination of desolation" 26:51 because it's an abomination to counterfeit Christ, 26:55 to put a counterfeit law in Christ's place... 26:57 to counterfeit... 26:58 everything that counterfeits the truth 27:00 is an abomination that does what? 27:01 It makes us desolate... Yvonne: Hmmm... 27:04 Ivor: Let me add this in here, remember that the set up... 27:07 when he is standing on the sides of the north, 27:09 the Table of Shewbread... we pointed this out 27:11 was changed every Sabbath, 27:13 when Satan appears in the form of Christ 27:16 claiming to have power to change the Sabbath 27:20 from what it really is, to the first day of the week, 27:24 then you know... persecution begins as a result of something 27:29 that the people are forced to bow down to 27:31 which is in direct contradiction to the Law of God 27:34 which is why Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego 27:36 did not bow down... 27:37 they were like, "Nah... that's breaking God's law, 27:39 we're not doing it. " 27:40 James: And it was a counterfeit of the genuine... 27:41 you've got an image... 27:43 it was an image that God showed him... 27:44 so the counterfeit always resembles 27:46 very closely with the genuine. 27:47 That's what we're seeing all the way through here. 27:48 We are running out of time again, 27:50 but that's okay, we're not in a hurry, 27:52 we want to really break down these verses, 27:54 we want to understand them, 27:56 I think God has blessed 27:57 and we'll just continue with the journey. 27:58 Ivor: Praise the Lord. Yonne: "Amen. " |
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