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00:30 James: We have arrived, kind of... 00:33 we've gotten half way through the book of Daniel 00:36 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6... there are 12 chapters... 00:38 we're in chapter 7. 00:39 Chapter 7... we're going to slow down a little bit here, 00:43 I'm thinking may... well, anyway, we don't know... 00:46 but it's going to... yeah, we'll see... 00:47 it's going to take us a while, well, we've got... 00:48 we've got some heavy stuff coming up, 00:50 just heavy stuff... 00:51 a lot of symbolism in here... a lot of meaning... 00:55 a lot of prophetic meaning... 00:56 we're going to get a lot of help from the image 00:58 which we've already studied, 01:00 so, that's going to be like... a little bit of a guiding light 01:03 as we move into chapter 7, 01:05 it's going to help us to navigate... 01:06 hmmm... what these symbols mean. 01:07 Also, we're going to get some angelic help. 01:10 Chapter 7 is one of those places where an angel steps in 01:14 and actually says, "Hey Daniel, 01:15 let me tell you a little bit about these symbols 01:16 and what they mean... " 01:18 and that's really cool when it happens. 01:20 Yvonne: Yeah... 01:21 James: So, good stuff right here let's dive in 01:23 with a word of prayer and then get started. 01:25 Who'd like to pray for us? 01:27 Yvonne: I'll pray, "Father, thank you so very much again 01:30 for bringing us together to... to study your Word 01:33 and to learn your plan, Lord, 01:35 we thank you that you've given us a plan 01:38 and so, we just pray that we will gain 01:41 and glean from Your Word 01:43 and that your Spirit will be with us... 01:45 guide us and direct us, we pray in Jesus' name, amen. " 01:48 All: Amen. 01:49 James: All right Jason, let's just jump right in here, 01:51 Daniel 7 verses 1 through 8, let's just take a chunk. 01:55 Jason: In the first year Belshazzar king of Babylon, 01:58 Daniel had a dream 02:00 and visions of his head while on his bed. 02:02 Then he wrote down the dream, telling the main facts. 02:06 Daniel spoke, saying, "I saw in my vision by night, 02:10 and behold, the four winds of heaven 02:12 were stirring up the Great Sea. 02:13 And four great beasts came up from the sea, 02:16 each different from the other. 02:18 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings. 02:21 I watched till its wings were plucked off; 02:24 and it was lifted up from the earth 02:26 and made to stand on two feet like a man, 02:28 and a man's heart was given to it. 02:31 And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear. 02:34 It was raised up on one side, 02:36 and had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. 02:40 And they said thus to it: 'Arise devour much flesh!' 02:43 After this, I looked, and there was another, 02:46 like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird. 02:50 The beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it. 02:54 After this I saw in the night visions, 02:57 and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, 03:00 exceedingly strong. 03:01 It had huge iron teeth; 03:03 it was devouring, breaking in pieces, 03:06 and trampling the residue with its feet. 03:08 It was different from all the beasts that were before it, 03:11 and it had ten horns. 03:13 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, 03:16 a little one, coming up among them, 03:19 before whom three of the first horns 03:22 were plucked out by the roots. 03:23 And there, in this horn, were eyes 03:26 like the eyes of a man, 03:28 and a mouth speaking pompous words. " 03:30 Yvonne: Hmmm... 03:31 James: Wow! so the first thing we notice about this 03:34 is it's highly symbolic 03:36 and Daniel is having this vision in the first year of Belshazzar, 03:40 now, we talked about this a little bit... 03:42 this takes us all the way back to about Daniel chapter 4, 03:44 because by Daniel chapter 5, Belshazzar is gone... 03:47 Babylon is gone... 03:48 so, this is the first year of Belshazzar, 03:50 so, this goes back to Daniel 4 which is kind of important 03:53 because it connects with an earlier vision 03:56 that was given to Nebuchadnezzar 03:57 and that vision was the vision of the image 04:00 that had a head of gold and went all the way down 04:03 in successive kingdoms 04:05 until we came to the stone that hit the image at the feet 04:08 and then filled the whole earth. 04:09 So, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome 04:13 were the four kingdoms of the image 04:15 and we started with the head of gold 04:17 and then we went to the... the chest of silver... 04:21 and then, we went to the thighs of brass 04:23 and then we went down to the feet of iron 04:25 and then the toes... iron and clay. 04:27 Ivor: Hmmm... hmmm... 04:28 James: The legs and feet of iron so, is this a similar vision? 04:32 Is this a symbolism of kingdoms? 04:36 Let's just take a look at a couple of verses 04:39 in the rest of the chapter, 04:41 we're just going to single them out, 04:43 this is where an angel comes to Daniel 04:44 to kind of help him with the interpretation. 04:46 Verse... Yvonne, could you read for us verse 17. 04:49 Yvonne: Oh, sure, 04:50 "Those great beasts, which are four, 04:53 are four kings which arise out of the earth. " 04:56 James: Okay, and then verse 23. 04:58 Yvonne: "Thus he said: 05:00 the fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, 05:02 which shall be different from all other kingdoms, 05:05 and shall devour the whole earth, 05:07 trample it and break it in pieces. " 05:10 James: So, we're not actually here talking about 05:12 a lion with eagle's wings or a leopard with four heads 05:17 or a terrible beast, you know, 05:18 with these little horns coming out... 05:20 those are descriptive or symbolic of kingdoms... 05:23 earthly kingdoms... 05:25 kingdoms that arise out of the earth 05:26 and kings that conquer territory 05:29 and these kingdoms are symbolized in this way 05:32 because of the various characteristics that they have 05:36 in their dominion or in their conquering. 05:39 For example, one of the beasts is a leopard, 05:42 what are leopards known for? 05:45 speed... and it has four wings 05:47 so, that means it's going to be even... 05:49 there's going to be even more speed. 05:51 This leopard would represent... 05:53 if you follow the outline of Daniel chapter 2, 05:55 it would represent Greece 05:56 and Greece conquered the world very quickly... very rapidly. 06:01 I think Alexander the Great was in his early 30s when he died. 06:05 He had already conquered the world by his death. 06:08 So, so what we're looking at here is 06:10 these beasts represent kingdoms and kings 06:12 and the characteristics of the beast represent 06:15 the different characteristics of those kingdoms, 06:17 for example, the bear was lifted up on one side... 06:20 well, that's because the bear was a combination 06:23 of the Medes and the Persians 06:24 and the lifting up of one side means 06:26 that one side was a little stronger than the other. 06:29 The Persians became a little stronger than the Medes. 06:32 So, all of these characteristics 06:34 symbolize characteristics of the kingdoms that they represent. 06:37 Ivor: Remember what we discussed in previous programs... 06:41 in Daniel 2, you have the image of a man, 06:43 in Daniel 7, you have an image of... 06:44 you know, image of beasts... 06:47 and what God is showing in those combined visions is, 06:49 "Look, the kingdoms of men 06:51 have become beastly in nature" number one... 06:56 number two... a good memory devise you can use 07:00 to actually lock this vision into your mind 07:04 is the fact that we can do it like this... 07:07 Daniel 2 is the head of gold 07:09 but in Daniel 7 it's the lion with eagle's wings, right? 07:14 So I like to think of the golden lion... right? 07:17 Yvonne: Aaah... James: Got you. 07:19 Ivor: Or the silver... bear 07:23 or the brass... leopard 07:26 or the iron... non-descript beast... 07:29 dragon... 07:31 and what you, you know, when... 07:34 it was interesting when you read 07:37 I'm not sure, I think it was verse 19 where it said, 07:40 it will be a fourth kingdom. 07:42 The KJV says, "It shall be the fourth kingdom upon the earth" 07:47 so, that lets us know, "Well the fourth kingdom... 07:49 I already know who that is from Daniel 2 07:51 that would have been that iron kingdom... " 07:53 and then you look at this connection where... 07:56 you know it's so interesting... 07:57 this fourth beast has great iron teeth. 08:00 Yvonne: Yes. 08:01 Ivor: Oh, that reminds me of the iron legs 08:04 which was the fourth kingdom in Daniel chapter 2. 08:06 Yvonne: Right. 08:07 Ivor: And what does the beast... what does the... 08:09 what do the legs do in Daniel 2? 08:10 well, they broke in pieces... they broke and bruised. 08:14 What is the fourth beast doing in Daniel 7? 08:18 It breaks and bruises... it breaks in pieces 08:21 so, you see this connection. 08:23 Well, if the fourth beast of Daniel 2 08:25 matches the fourth beast of Daniel 7, 08:28 then, we know that the third beast 08:30 must be the same third kingdom in Daniel 2 08:32 and the second beast must be the same second kingdom in Daniel 2 08:36 and the first beast must be the same first kingdom in Daniel 2, 08:40 so, we're looking at this parallel... 08:41 and then we see, "Okay, well if the fourth kingdom 08:47 had ten toes... then, ah, I get this now, 08:53 the ten toes correspond with the ten horns of Daniel 7... " 08:58 and then we see, 09:00 "Well, what about this clay in Daniel 2?" 09:02 Because remember, the clay comes up 09:05 among the iron that's already there... 09:07 "Oh, this little horn... 09:11 little horn that we'll read about a little bit further on 09:14 as we continue on in chapter, parallels with that clay... " 09:18 and now, remember in Daniel 2, 09:21 we didn't see what the... what the clay and the iron did. 09:25 All we know is, "Hey, whatever this thing did... 09:28 we know there's a combination of Church and State... 09:30 that much we know but we're not sure what... 09:33 what it does that causes Jesus to say, 09:36 'Okay, enough is enough... '" 09:37 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 09:38 Ivor: Now in Daniel 7, we're going to begin to see... 09:40 "Wait a minute... whoa... 09:41 is that what the little horn is doing?" 09:43 And now we get a little more insight 09:45 into why Daniel chapter 12 verse 1 occurs... 09:50 why Michael stands up, yeah, yeah, yeah. 09:52 Yvonne: So, can you just go over that... 09:55 the golden lion... the silver bear... 09:58 Ivor: The bronze or brass... Leopard... 10:02 and then the iron... 10:04 James: Terrible beast. Ivor: Terrible beast. 10:06 James: It's described as a terrible beast. 10:07 Ivor: Yes, so we'll just use "terrible beast. " 10:09 James: It's a Biblical term... "terrible. " 10:12 Ivor: Yes, yes, terrible... and it means... 10:14 it actually means, like, "magnificent" 10:16 which is just like, "overwhelming" 10:18 I mean, kind of like when you saw the image 10:21 and it was terrible in Daniel 2... 10:22 it's overwhelming like, "Whoa, what is this?" right? 10:25 So... so the ten toes are going to parallel the ten horns 10:32 and the clay is going to parallel the Little Horn. 10:37 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 10:38 Ivor: So, all we're seeing here... 10:40 and this is an interesting way 10:42 to also think of the book of Daniel 10:44 as every chapter... all the prophetic chapters like, 10:47 truly prophetic chapters... 10:49 so, even though we've seen prophecy, 10:50 right... in all the chapters... 10:52 even the historical chapters, 10:54 the truly prophetic chapters, Daniel 2, 7, 8, 9 and 11 and 12 10:59 are going to follow this pattern 11:01 of what I like to call "nothing new" 11:03 only "more detail. " 11:04 James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Repeat and enlarge... 11:06 Ivor: Repeat and enlarge... Yvonne: Okay. 11:07 Ivor: Daniel... if you have Daniel 2, 11:09 and that's the powerful thing about the book of Daniel... 11:11 once you have Daniel 2... 11:13 you have everything you need to understand the rest of the... 11:16 the rest of the prophetic chapters. 11:17 James: Yup. Yvonne: Hmmm... 11:18 Ivor: Because there is... Yvonne: Hmmm... including 11. 11:20 Ivor: Including 11... because there's really nothing new, 11:22 only more detail... and so, the details... 11:26 that's why Daniel 11 looks so... like, "What is Daniel...?" 11:29 Daniel 11 is just a detailed description of events 11:33 occurring in Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome 11:36 because we'll see that Babylon falls off the scene 11:39 in Daniel 11... so, we pick up with Medo-Persia, 11:42 and go through... and so, now I know... 11:44 "Okay, at least I know this about Daniel 11... " 11:47 all I'm looking at in Daniel 11 is history that unfolded 11:51 through Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and this Little Horn. 11:56 Okay, wow... we just simplified Daniel 11 12:00 at least to some degree... 12:01 well, now I know, I'm not looking for, you know, 12:05 I know I've narrowed down what I'm looking for 12:08 and I'm looking for events that unfold within... 12:10 within the context... what we've seen in Daniel 2. 12:13 Yvonne: Right, right. 12:14 James: Nothing new... just more for you. 12:17 Ivor: Yup... All: Laughter. 12:18 Yvonne: I like that. 12:20 James: All right, let's keep reading then, 12:21 because even though we may not have recovered 12:23 all the details in here, 12:24 as we keep reading, 12:26 we're going to see this whole thing connects together 12:27 so, a lot of what we're going to read still 12:29 is going to repeat some of what we've already read... 12:31 though there's going to be some new feathers in here 12:33 so, so let's read now verses 9 through 14. 12:37 Jason: "I watched till thrones were put in place, 12:42 and the Ancient of Days was seated; 12:45 His garment was white as snow, 12:46 and the hair of His head was like pure wool. 12:49 His throne was a fiery flame, it's wheels a burning fire; 12:53 a fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him. 12:58 A thousand thousands ministered to Him. 13:01 Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him. 13:04 The court was seated, and the books were opened. 13:07 I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words 13:11 which the horn was speaking; 13:12 I watched till the beast was slain, 13:14 and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 13:17 As for the rest of the beasts, 13:20 they had their dominion taken away, 13:21 yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time. 13:25 I was watching in the night visions, 13:27 and behold, One like the Son of Man, 13:29 coming with the clouds of heaven! 13:31 He came to the Ancient of Days, 13:33 and they brought Him near before Him. 13:35 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, 13:40 that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. 13:44 His dominion is an everlasting dominion, 13:46 which shall not pass away, 13:48 and His kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed. " 13:51 James: Okay, so, a little bit more information here, 13:55 we've got now this continuation that takes place 13:58 where it comes into the place of God's presence. 14:00 You've got thrones, verse 9, 14:02 that are cast down or set up... 14:04 the Ancient of Days sits 14:06 and you've got a judgment taking place 14:07 and this judgment take place 14:10 in the presence of 1,000s and 10,000s of His angels... 14:13 books are opened... records are looked at... 14:16 an investigation is made into record books 14:19 and specifically the words which this little horn spoke 14:24 is being considered and judged 14:27 and this little horn is going to be slain... 14:29 the beast... the fourth beast that carries this Little Horn 14:32 is going to be slain 14:33 and his body is going to be destroyed 14:35 and given to the burning flames. 14:36 So, the way this reads so far... it's consecutive, 14:39 we're going from one king to the next 14:41 all the way through to the judgment 14:42 and finally that fourth kingdom is... is... is judged 14:46 through the books that are opened 14:48 and a sentence is pronounced and it's executed. 14:52 Now, then Daniel goes back and in the next verse and he says, 14:55 "And concerning the rest of the beasts... " 14:57 because they haven't been dealt with yet... 14:59 just this last one has... 15:00 "Concerning the rest of the beasts... " 15:02 here's a really interesting verse, 15:04 "Their dominion was taken away: 15:06 yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time. " 15:09 Ivor: Hmmm... 15:11 James: Now, I'd just kind of open that up a little bit, 15:14 what does that mean? 15:15 And what is happening right here is... 15:18 we're going to find that the judgment that comes 15:20 on the fourth beast 15:21 is really inclusive of all the others 15:24 because the life being prolonged... 15:27 Dominion is like their military might... like their control... 15:29 we know that Babylon gave that up to the Medo-Persians 15:33 who gave it up to the Grecians 15:35 who gave it up to the Romans 15:36 who give it up to the Little Horn Power 15:38 but the life of a nation is basically... its... 15:42 its customs... its traditions... 15:45 its culture... its religion... 15:49 even its material wealth 15:50 and so, what this is saying basically is, 15:52 when it says, "Their lives were prolonged... " 15:54 it's the customs... the traditions... 15:56 the culture... of these previous nations 15:59 continues to live on into the next one... 16:02 and on into the next one... 16:04 and we see that even in the life of Daniel 16:06 because Daniel served Babylon 16:07 and then he lived on into Medo-Persia. 16:09 So, you've got customs 16:10 and so, when the Bible uses Babylon 16:13 in a spiritual sense in the book of Revelation... 16:16 at the end of time... Babylon... why Babylon? 16:19 Babylon passed from the scene a long time ago, 16:21 "Oh... but its culture... its customs... 16:24 its traditions... 16:25 its life is prolonged for a season and a time... " 16:28 so, when the final fourth kingdom is brought down, 16:31 Babylon comes down. 16:32 Babylon is fallen... that's the extent... 16:35 it doesn't have dominion but its life has been extended 16:38 and we talked in the last program about Medo-Persia 16:41 and this thing where they pass a law... 16:43 it can't be changed... 16:45 that's part of the custom of Medo-Persia, 16:47 it's been passed on... you see that? 16:48 So, when we get to Revelation 13, 16:50 we have a beast that comes out of the sea 16:51 and it has feet like a bear... 16:53 Ivor: Parts of it... remnants of it. 16:55 James: Yeah. Ivor: It's not the whole thing. 16:57 James: It's not the whole thing. Yvonne: Ahhh... 16:58 It has a mouth like a lion... it has a body like a leopard... 17:01 the customs... the traditions... 17:03 the lives are prolonged for a season and a time 17:05 so, when this last piece comes down... they all come down. 17:08 When the feet come down, the whole statue comes down. 17:10 Ivor: Yeah, that's what I was going to point out 17:12 because it says they were destroyed together 17:14 so, you think, "Wait a minute, 17:16 Babylon fell... thousands of years ago 17:21 and Medo-Persia... 17:22 how is it that when the stone comes, 17:23 it destroys the image... everything together... " 17:27 right, even though it strikes the feet 17:29 everything is destroyed together 17:30 and that's because each of these principles 17:33 from these different kingdoms live on 17:36 and culminate in that final power 17:38 that is going to attack God's people at the end of time. 17:41 Yvonne: Hmmm... Ivor: Yeah. 17:43 James: So, we're looking at these last two verses here 17:45 in verses 13 and 14, 17:48 we see the Son of man coming... 17:50 the Son of man... 17:52 you know the job of the Preacher 17:55 and we're all preachers right here at this table... 17:57 we're preaching to each other 17:59 but we're all preaching. 18:00 the job of the preacher is to get across country to Calvary 18:04 as fast as possible 18:06 and so, here we are... we're there. 18:08 we're where the Son of man is and what we find here 18:11 is... is ultimately Jesus Christ has earned the right to reclaim 18:18 this planet as His. 18:19 Ultimately He's going to be given the kingdom and the glory 18:23 and the power and honor of this earth. 18:25 All those kingdoms are going to come down 18:28 and so, the stone hits the feet 18:29 and grinds it and brings down the whole image, 18:32 it grows and it fills the whole earth 18:34 and that stone... that "rock" is Jesus. 18:36 Yvonne: Yes... yes. 18:37 James: It is Jesus Christ. 18:38 Yvonne: So for those who... 18:40 there are some people who say that 18:42 the Father and the Son are the same person 18:45 it's all one... 18:47 but this shows the Ancient of days was seated 18:50 and it describes Him 18:51 and then it talks about the Son of man 18:54 so, it shows that, "No, they're not one and the same 18:58 they're two different beings... " 19:01 and it's so interesting to hear... 19:04 I can't wait to just see Jesus' face... 19:07 you know, just to see His face 19:09 and see His eyes and all that. 19:10 This describes the Father, the Ancient of days... 19:14 this is the Father, is it not? Okay... 19:17 so, this is describing the Father 19:20 and yet, because God is a Spirit 19:24 I know this is kind of off but you know, 19:27 we get to ask anything... 19:29 so, because He's a spirit, 19:31 is He contained with one place with head and eyes and... 19:38 or... the Bible does say, 19:40 "For the eyes of the Lord searched out the whole earth" 19:42 you know, so, He does have eyes 19:45 but what I'm saying is, does He have a form? 19:48 Does the Father who is a spirit... does He have a form? 19:52 James: I believe He does. 19:54 Yvonne: This is saying basically that He does. 19:56 He has a garment on... He has hair... 20:00 so, this is kind of giving us insight into... 20:04 kind of what the Father... 20:06 I mean, I guess He can present Himself any way He wants to 20:09 and in this case, He's presenting Himself with a form. 20:12 James: And He does the same thing in Revelation. 20:15 Revelation chapter 4... John sees a throne... 20:18 not only that but he sees someone sitting on the throne... 20:20 His form was like... 20:21 and he sees someone sitting at His right hand 20:24 and then... Jesus talks about, "When I come back, 20:26 I'm going to sit at the right hand of power... " 20:29 and... and He talks about His Father 20:31 and... "If you've seen Me, you've seen the Father" 20:34 so, you know the devils are spirits but they have forms... 20:37 Yvonne: Hmmm... 20:38 James: There are ministering spirits we are told 20:40 with the form so, yeah, they have a form 20:42 but beyond that, we just have to tread lightly... 20:46 like, we're not exactly sure what exactly God... the form is 20:50 or... you know what I'm saying? 20:52 So, definitely, we have to... 20:53 we have to back up a little bit there 20:55 but for sure... there's a form 20:57 and for sure there are two different persons 20:58 even though they are one in their character, et cetera, 21:01 et cetera, they're still two different persons. 21:03 Yvonne: Yes, that's good, thank you. 21:06 James: So, okay, so so far we have this... 21:10 this Revelation that takes us through consecutively 21:15 all the way to the judgment 21:16 and then we have dominion given to Jesus Christ 21:19 Who has reclaimed this earth and finally will be handed to Him 21:23 and then we come out of the vision, 21:25 Daniel... in verse 15... he says, 21:27 "I was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my visions... " 21:29 excuse me... and "I was grieved in my spirit 21:33 in the midst of my body, 21:34 and the visions of my head troubled me. " 21:37 Ever experience that anyone? 21:39 when you're reading Daniel or Revelation 21:41 when you're just like trying to figure this all out... 21:43 right... 21:44 Jason: Yeah. 21:46 James: Well, welcome to the Daniel Club... 21:47 it's like, "Wow, I just couldn't figure this out, 21:50 this was troubling... " 21:52 and so, what happens when you get troubled 21:54 about Biblical truth, 21:55 "And I came near unto one of them that stood by 21:58 and asked them the truth of all this, 22:00 so, he told me and he made me and he made me know 22:01 the interpretation of the things. " 22:02 See, God is in the business... 22:04 we don't have to rely upon ourselves... 22:06 Yvonne: Right. 22:07 James: We're not in this alone. Yvonne: That's right. 22:08 James: God has blessed His Word... He sent His Word 22:10 and He's ready to help us understand His Word 22:12 and this is exactly what happens when Daniel is troubled, 22:15 and it's not just about prophecy... 22:17 it's not just about Biblical knowledge, 22:19 God wants to help us with whatever troubles us. 22:21 Whenever we have trouble about something, 22:23 we just need to go near to those that are standing by, 22:27 what does that mean? 22:28 Well, Jesus says that my angels in heaven do always watch over 22:32 those little ones... that's us... 22:34 each one of us has an angel that watches over us 22:36 and we can go to God any time... 22:38 we can tell Him our troubles... our burdens... our sorrows... 22:40 nothing escapes His notice 22:42 and there's nothing He's not interested in helping us with 22:44 so, whatever troubles us, we just need to take it to God, 22:47 take it to God, take it to God. Yvonne: Yeah. 22:48 James: At this particular time 22:50 it was prophecy that was troubling Daniel 22:51 so, he's like, "I got to figure this out. " 22:53 Yvonne: Yeah... yeah. 22:54 Ivor: When we learn to trust God 22:55 in the little times of trouble... 22:57 Yvonne: Oh, come on... come on. 23:00 Ivor: We understand what it means... 23:02 we gain that experience to learn to trust in... 23:05 in the Daniel 12 times of trouble. 23:07 Ivor: Right? James: "Such as never was. " 23:09 Ivor: "Such as never was... " absolutely, 23:11 that's that Job experience, 23:13 now... and that's what we see happening at the time of the end 23:18 there's an experience such as never was 23:20 and unless we have been walking 23:23 in the way that Daniel has walked, 23:25 unless we have been learning to trust God in the little trials, 23:28 unless we've been learning to overcome in the little things 23:31 it's going to be an overwhelming time 23:35 you know, in that time of trouble 23:39 and if Daniel's relationship was uncertain with God, 23:43 like, at any time... 23:45 just... just imagine, if you're thinking like... 23:48 "You know, man, 23:49 I'm really struggling in my relationship now, 23:51 and I doubt God now... 23:53 what do you do when the heat really gets turned up?" 23:57 Yvonne: Yes. 23:58 Ivor: You don't typically get stronger 24:02 when the heat gets turned up if you've been flailing along, 24:06 when the heat turns up, 24:07 that's when you're super overwhelmed, 24:09 like, "Yeah, I just can't... 24:10 if I couldn't handle this thing... " 24:12 if you can't hang with the footmen, right? 24:15 How are you going to do in the time of horses? 24:19 James: Jeremiah 12:5. Ivor: Yeah. 24:20 Yvonne: Yeah. 24:22 Ivor: So, are we... 24:24 we should probably get into... 24:26 we should probably save it for the next program 24:28 to actually go back and get into the details of the... 24:32 the wings of the... of... 24:34 James: The ribs... Yvonne: That's good. 24:36 James: We don't have to save, we can start now. 24:38 Ivor: It's up to you, yeah, I'll follow your lead. 24:40 James: So, so right here, Daniel is asking... 24:43 just finishing this idea of help... 24:46 Daniel is asking... and then this angel... 24:49 heavenly being of some kind comes... 24:51 and we read the verse, verse 17, 24:53 "These great beasts, which are four, 24:55 are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. 24:57 But the saints of the Most High shall take the kingdom, 25:00 and possess it... the kingdom forever, 25:02 even forever and ever. " 25:03 And then, Daniel says, 25:05 "I want to know more about the fourth beast... " 25:06 and we're going to stop right here 25:08 and we're going to go back, 25:09 with the instruction of the angel, 25:11 we're going to go back 25:12 and we're going to say, "Okay, now we know 25:13 that these beasts represent kingdoms... " 25:15 all right, go back to the first one... 25:18 this beast... what are the characteristics of this kingdom? 25:20 Okay, so, it's really interesting when you look at 25:24 the correlation here... the parallel... 25:28 when you look at this beast a lion with eagle's wings, 25:31 that was a symbol of Babylon. 25:34 Yvonne: Hmmm... 25:36 James: When you think about 25:37 the idea of beasts representing kingdoms, 25:40 it's not really a foreign idea to us, 25:42 for example, 25:44 the United States of America is symbolized by a... 25:47 Yvonne: Eagle. James: An Eagle. 25:49 James: China. 25:50 Yvonne: Oh, I don't know China. 25:52 Jason: I don't know that one. 25:54 Ivor: Oh yeah, China is the... you know... 25:58 James: Russia... Ivor: Russia is the bear. 26:01 James: Russia is the bear... English... 26:04 Ivor: England is the... 26:07 James: I got a quiz for... England is the lion, right? 26:11 England is a lion. Ivor: England is the lion. 26:13 James: And China is... a dragon. 26:15 Ivor: That's right. Yvonne: Oh, wow! 26:17 James: See, it's not a foreign thing... 26:18 it's not a foreign thing is what I'm saying, 26:20 I mean, Canada is a maple leaf but... 26:23 All: Laughter. 26:24 James: A lot of these countries are represented by animals. 26:28 Yvonne: That's true. 26:29 James: So, God is speaking in a language right here, 26:30 He's communicating the way that we're communicating... 26:32 even we can relate to it even today, 26:34 so, when you go back to history and you look at the remnants 26:37 of destroyed Babylon... 26:39 the gate, for example, of Babylon 26:40 is still in the museum in Russia 26:42 and you look at the symbols that they used... 26:44 a lion with eagle's wings was a symbol of the nation of Babylon. 26:48 Yvonne: Hmmm... that's interesting. 26:51 James: So, for Daniel to read this, he's not... 26:53 this isn't really super mystery to him, 26:55 you know what I mean? Yvonne: Yeah. 26:56 James: Since we're told these are nations, like, 26:58 "Oh, so that must be Babylon" 26:59 because that's what they used to use... 27:00 that's what they... that's their symbol right there. 27:02 Yvonne: Hmmm... 27:03 James: What about the bear lifted up on one side 27:06 with three... well, let's stop right there 27:08 we're running out of time, aren't we? 27:10 Did you have a thought? 27:11 Ivor: Well, I was going to add that the fact 27:12 that the wings were plucked... 27:14 you know, wings cause you to fly... 27:15 cause you to elevate... 27:17 the fact that the wings are plucked 27:18 signifies the fall of Babylon. 27:19 Yvonne: Oh... hmmm... hmmm... 27:21 Ivor: You rise... wings are plucked 27:23 if your wings are plucked in mid-air, you're going to fall. 27:25 James: You're going to fall. Ivor: Yeah. 27:26 James: And if your wings are plucked when you're flying, 27:28 you're going to fall hard. 27:30 It was a hard fall. 27:31 Okay, we are running out of time so we can stop right there, 27:35 we'll pick up with Medo-Persia as we come back into this, 27:39 we'll talk about the bear... 27:40 talk about lifting up one side 27:41 and it has three ribs in its mouth. 27:43 Yvonne: Hmmm... 27:44 James: It's warming up. All: Laughter. 27:46 James: All right good... good stopping place. |
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