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00:32 James: This is amazing... 00:34 this is amazing. 00:35 The only downside about this is, ah, Pastor Ivor Myers... 00:41 but we are so glad that we can get together 00:43 and continue our study in the book of Daniel. 00:46 We've gone through some incredible challenges 00:48 in the last few months. 00:50 We know that we left off in Daniel chapter 7 00:53 and that our Viewers are eager for us to finish this book, 00:57 Daniel 8, Daniel 9, Daniel 10, Daniel 11... nnnnnn... 01:01 Daniel 12. 01:03 All: Laughter. 01:04 James: But we've had a lot of hindrances 01:07 and we're living in amazing times. 01:09 Things are happening in the world today 01:11 that are unprecedented 01:13 and I think that perhaps, we could look at it this way. 01:16 The delay in getting the rest of this book finished 01:19 is going to play in God's favor 01:22 because the prophecies that we're going to be talking about 01:26 are going to be even more present truth now 01:29 than they could have been a few months ago. 01:31 We have some amazing insights that God is revealing to us 01:35 in these last chapters of Daniel. 01:37 So, we're going to look at that, 01:39 we're going to pick up in Daniel chapter 8 today 01:41 and we're going to continue through... 01:43 we're going to finish this up... 01:44 we're going to make sure we finish this up 01:46 through Daniel chapter 12 01:48 and I'm glad that we're all here so to speak, 01:52 right... that's the good news 01:54 and that we're going to be able to just ask God to guide us 02:00 and to look at these verses and these chapters 02:02 with the eyes of heaven in the time in which we live. 02:06 So, we're going to begin with a word of prayer, 02:09 Jason, can I ask you to pray for us 02:10 and then we're going to jump right in to our... 02:12 to our Scripture here in Daniel chapter 8. 02:14 Jason: All right, let's pray, 02:15 "Dear Heavenly Father, 02:17 we thank you so much for the wonderful opportunity 02:19 that we have to study Your Word 02:21 and Lord, we just ask that You would send your Holy Spirit 02:23 to lead and guide us into all truth. 02:25 Help us to retain what we're studying 02:27 and please be with the Viewers as well 02:29 and help them to learn a lot from this too, 02:32 in Jesus' name we pray, amen. " 02:34 All: Amen. 02:35 James: All right, let's just start with verse 1, 02:38 Yvonne, would you be willing to just read us verse 1, 02:42 just the first verse... no more than that... 02:44 just the first verse. 02:45 Yvonne: Sure, "In the third year of the reign of King Belshazzar 02:50 a vision appeared to me... to me, Daniel... 02:53 after the one that appeared to me the first time. " 02:56 James: Okay, so, just pausing right there 02:58 so that we can kind of recalibrate... 03:01 we left off in Daniel 7... 03:03 Daniel 7 was a vision that was given to Daniel 03:07 in the first year of Belshazzar. 03:09 Yvonne: Hmmm... 03:10 James: Okay, so, Daniel 7 was given in the first year 03:12 of Belshazzar, 03:13 now, we have Daniel 8 given in the third year 03:16 okay, so the first year and the third year. 03:19 Now, there's something significant about that 03:22 that we just want to mention here and that is... 03:24 is that this vision is given to Daniel... both visions 03:29 when Babylon is still a power that is in control of the world. 03:34 Yvonne: Hmmm... 03:36 James: Belshazzar is the grandson of Nebuchadnezzar 03:38 but in this vision in chapter 8, Babylon isn't mentioned. 03:42 We're going to start with Medo-Persia 03:44 and then go to Greece and then go to Rome 03:45 but Babylon isn't mentioned so we need to think about this, 03:49 God is actually speaking through Daniel. 03:51 See, when we read Daniel 8 we think, 03:53 "Oh, Daniel 8... that's after Daniel 5... 03:55 that's after Belshazzar had that vision of the hand that wrote, 04:00 "MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN" 04:02 that's after Babylon fell... 04:03 no, actually it isn't, 04:04 it's after... in sequence... 04:06 in the book sequence... Daniel 8 is after 04:08 but the vision was actually given before. 04:10 Yvonne: Ah... Jason: Hmmm... 04:12 James: Which is really interesting 04:13 because it kind of enlightens us 04:15 when we think about Daniel coming into that feast 04:18 and reading that writing and making that announcement, 04:21 he'd already had this vision 04:22 and this vision had already... 04:25 in Daniel's mind... sealed Babylon's fate. 04:28 He already knew that Babylon wasn't part of the future, 04:30 does that make sense? Jason: Yeah... Yvonne: Hmmm. 04:32 James: He already knew that... 04:33 it was... it was really clear to him. 04:35 Jason: Yeah, right. Yvonne: Yeah. 04:36 James: So, it's really important for us to see that. 04:37 Sometimes when we read through Daniel, 04:39 we kind of read through and we don't make a connection 04:41 between the actual timing of some of these visions. 04:44 We're going to see the same thing when we get to Daniel 04:46 chapter 9... no... chapter 10... 04:50 no chapter 9... 10? 9? 04:51 Ivor: Chapter 9... chapter 11... 04:53 James: Yes, same thing... 04:54 it's really important for us to make the connections 04:57 as to where they are in the context of experience. 05:00 Yvonne: Hmmm... 05:01 James: Ah, so, that's the first part we want to look at. 05:04 Now, we want to move into the second verse, 05:08 Jason, could you read that for us? 05:10 Daniel chapter 8 verse 2. 05:12 Jason: "I saw in the vision, 05:14 and it so happened while I was looking, 05:17 that I was in Shushan, the citadel, 05:20 which is in the province of Elam; 05:23 and I saw in the vision that I was by the River Ulai...?" 05:27 James: That's Ulai, yeah, keep reading for us. 05:30 Jason: Okay. "Then I lifted my eyes and saw, 05:33 and there, standing beside the river, 05:36 was a ram which had two horns, 05:38 and the two horns were high; 05:40 but one was higher than the other, 05:42 and the higher one came up last. 05:44 I saw the ram pushing westward, northward, and southward, 05:48 so that no animal could withstand him; 05:51 nor was there any that could deliver from his hand, 05:56 but he did according to his will and became great. 06:00 And as I was considering, 06:02 suddenly a male goat came from the west, 06:04 across the surface of the whole earth, 06:07 without touching the ground; 06:08 and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. 06:12 Then he came to the ram that had two horns, 06:15 which I had seen standing beside the river, 06:17 and ran at him with furious power. 06:20 And I saw him confronting the ram; 06:23 he was moved with rage against him, 06:25 attacked the ram and broke his two horns. 06:29 There was no power in the ram to withstand him, 06:31 but he cast him down to the ground and trampled him; 06:34 and there was no one that could deliver the ram from his hand. 06:38 Therefore the male goat grew very great; 06:43 but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, 06:46 and in place of it 06:48 four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven. 06:51 And out of one of them came a little horn 06:54 which grew exceedingly great toward the south, 06:57 toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land. 06:59 And it grew up to the host of heaven; 07:02 and it cast down some of the host 07:05 and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them. 07:08 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; 07:12 and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, 07:15 and the place of His sanctuary was cast down. 07:19 Because of transgression, 07:21 an army was given over to the horn 07:23 to oppose the daily sacrifices; 07:25 and he cast truth down to the ground. 07:28 He did all this and prospered. 07:31 Then I heard a holy one speaking; 07:33 and another holy one said to that certain one 07:36 who was speaking, "How long will the vision be, 07:39 concerning the daily sacrifices 07:41 and the transgression of desolation, 07:43 the giving of both the sanctuary 07:45 and the host to be trampled underfoot?" 07:48 And he said to me, 07:50 "For two thousand three hundred days; 07:52 then the sanctuary shall be cleansed. " 07:54 All right, let's stop right there. 07:56 So, this is basically the vision right here that Daniel has... 08:00 the vision of Daniel 8... 08:01 what's going to follow now 08:03 in verses 15... all the way through the end of the chapter 08:06 is an understanding of the vision. 08:09 The vision is given and then a man is commanded... 08:12 an angel is commanded... a messenger is commanded 08:15 to give Daniel understanding of the vision 08:17 because it's a difficult one 08:18 and I really love this because we need help 08:23 and God is always willing to give us help. 08:26 Daniel was given direct help right after he was... 08:30 was shown this vision 08:31 and we can have the same help from heaven 08:33 whenever we read the Word of God. 08:36 All we have to do is pray and ask the Holy Spirit 08:37 to guide our minds 08:39 and God will actually bring us understanding. 08:41 Jason: Hmmm... hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm... 08:42 James: And so, Daniel asks for this understanding 08:44 and immediately there's a response 08:47 but I want us to go back now 08:48 and just take a look at this vision 08:49 and see what we can glean from it 08:51 before we go into the interpretation. 08:53 First of all, in verse 1, 08:55 he said unto me... or... 08:57 "In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar 09:00 a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, 09:02 after that which appeared unto me in the first... " 09:04 now, "at the first... " 09:05 there's two ways that you can interpret this phrase 09:07 "after that" 09:09 it could be "after in time... " which is obvious 09:12 because it's the third year of Belshazzar 09:14 and the other vision was the first year of Belshazzar 09:16 or it could be "after in kind... " 09:18 just like the vision that I saw earlier... 09:21 it was very much like the vision I saw earlier. 09:23 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 09:24 James: And we know this is going to be the case 09:26 because even though the earlier vision was 09:29 four beasts that were different than the beast in this vision 09:32 and the one before that that Nebuchadnezzar had 09:34 was an image, 09:35 we know that this is following the same tract 09:39 of repeat-and-enlarge prophecy 09:40 because we're actually told in the interpretation... 09:44 and let's just jump there for a second, 09:46 we're actually told who these animals... 09:48 these first two animals represent. 09:49 Jason, read for us verses 21 and... or 20 and 21. 09:58 Jason: Okay, "The ram which you saw, 10:00 having the two horns... 10:02 they are the kings of Media and Persia. 10:05 And the male goat is the kingdom of Greece. 10:09 The large horn that is between its eyes is the first king. " 10:13 James: Okay, so going back now, you remember in Daniel chapter 2 10:18 we have Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. 10:19 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 10:21 James: In Daniel 7, we have Babylon, Medo-Persia, 10:22 Greece and Rome. 10:23 Now, we have Medo-Persia and Greece. 10:26 Jason: Hmmm... hmmm... 10:27 James: So, we're following the same basic track of history. 10:31 Babylon is gone because as we mentioned earlier 10:33 Daniel was shown the demise of Babylon 10:36 which took place in Daniel chapter 5. 10:38 Jason: Hmmm... hmmm... 10:39 James: Medo-Persia then is the first king that's mentioned, 10:41 then Greece... and then there's this fourth kingdom 10:43 that's going to follow 10:45 that isn't described by name 10:47 but it's described by characteristic 10:49 and we're going to look at some of those characteristics 10:51 because basically in Daniel chapter 8, 10:54 you have a very little time given to Medo-Persia, 10:56 kind of to get our footing 10:58 and then, Greece, you know, gives us more understanding 11:01 of where we are 11:02 and then the rest of the vision is all about that fourth power, 11:05 I mean, the whole thing is... 11:07 is dedicated to that fourth power and what he does. 11:10 Something really interesting that we see here, Ivor, 11:13 and I just wanted you to comment on this a little bit, 11:16 in Daniel 7, we had an attack on the law of God. 11:20 In Daniel 8, we have an attack on the sanctuary of God. 11:25 Do you see that in these verses? 11:27 I just think it's... it's significant 11:29 that we're seeing a two-pronged attack against God 11:33 in Daniel 7 and Daniel 8. 11:35 Ivor: Yeah and I will add this here, 11:38 you know, at the end of this chapter, 11:42 we see that Daniel doesn't understand the vision 11:44 and that's very significant because 11:49 remember in Daniel's mind, 11:53 you have this 70-year prophecy 11:58 that's about to come to completion, 12:00 right, where the children of Israel 12:02 have been in captivity 12:05 and God said, "You'll be there 70 years 12:09 and then I'm going to bring you back... " right? 12:11 James: Right. 12:13 Ivor: "And you'll be restored to your city 12:15 and there's going to be the temple. " 12:17 When Daniel is seeing this vision... 12:20 and remember from Daniel 2 he sees four kingdoms, 12:25 Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome. 12:26 He knows that these kingdoms aren't going to rise and fall 12:30 in like, five years... ten years... right? 12:32 There's no way four kingdoms are going to do that. 12:36 Here in Daniel 8, he's seeing these kingdoms of... 12:39 of Medo-Persia and then Greece 12:42 and then something about the sanctuary... 12:45 James: Hmmm... 12:46 Ivor: And you can imagine in his mind, 12:48 the sanctuary being cleansed, like, 12:50 "so, we're talking about after Greece... 12:54 we're going to be dealing with the sanctuary, like... " 12:56 he's thinking the sanctuary is going to be rebuilt pretty soon. 13:00 James: Right. Ivor: Right. 13:01 James: Because the 70 years are ending. 13:03 Ivor: Yeah, 70 years are ending, right, 13:05 and so, you can understand why he's confused 13:08 because he's like, "Wait a minute, 13:10 Greece... you know, this other kingdom that's going to rise 13:13 and then, this Little Horn that rises after that... 13:16 and what is going to... this is... 13:18 this must be confusing to him. 13:20 So, number one, this is significant because 13:25 what we're going to see and... and... 13:28 and I'm going to mention this here, 13:31 there is something very specific 13:33 about the prophecies of Daniel. 13:35 If you read all the other prophets in the Old Testament, 13:39 Ezekiel... Isaiah... Jeremiah... all the Minor Prophets... 13:43 Micha... Nahum... and Haggai... 13:48 you'll see something very specific with these prophets, 13:52 right? What you're going to see is that 13:54 God was speaking to the prophet to give the people a message, 14:00 "Go unto Israel and say unto them... 14:03 say unto Israel... say unto Israel... " 14:05 the book of Daniel doesn't do that. 14:08 In fact, in the end of the book of Daniel, 14:12 you see God telling Daniel to seal up the book 14:15 because it is for the time of the end. 14:19 James: Yeah... yeah. Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 14:21 Ivor: This is... this is a very important distinguishing point 14:24 because, listen, a lot of these prophecies 14:27 in the book of Isaiah and Jeremiah, 14:29 people will take those prophecies and apply them 14:31 to things that are to happen in the future, 14:33 when they have already been fulfilled. 14:35 James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm... 14:37 Ivor: They were speaking to the people of that time... 14:39 the book of Daniel purposely catapults us 14:43 into events that are supposed to happen in the future 14:47 and this is one of the reasons why Daniel is so confused 14:51 because he's thinking... 14:52 sanctuary should be rebuilt sometime soon here, 14:56 you know, he's thinking "should be cleansed" 15:00 or purified or restored sometime soon here 15:03 but now I'm seeing this vision about a sanctuary... 15:07 the sanctuary being restored or purified or cleansed 15:11 after... sometime after, like, these empires?" 15:14 He's confused about this. 15:16 James: Gotcha... 15:18 in fact, he's seeing the sanctuary being cast down 15:21 after the Grecian power has come and gone. 15:25 he's like, "Well, the sanctuary isn't even up yet, 15:27 how can it be cast down?" 15:29 Ivor: "Yeah, how can it be cast down? 15:30 The sanctuary is cast down right now... " 15:32 James: Right. 15:33 Ivor: "We're in Babylon... sanctuary is destroyed... " 15:35 so, he's looking at this vision 15:38 and in his mind, he is thinking of the "now... " 15:41 James: Yeah... yeah. 15:42 Ivor: This is crucial to understand, 15:44 he's thinking of the "now" 15:46 not realizing that God is showing him 15:50 things to come that are beyond his time. 15:53 James: Hmmm... hmmm... Ivor: Right? 15:56 James: Really important. 15:57 Ivor: And this is where... yeah, this is where Daniel 9 15:59 is going to come in and even amplify 16:01 what's happening in Daniel chapter 8 16:04 but I'll jump back and share this as well. 16:06 In Daniel 2... 16:10 in Daniel 2, we have Babylon, Medo-Persia, 16:14 Greece, Rome 16:15 and this Roman Empire 16:20 divides into ten kingdoms 16:24 and these ten kingdoms have a "clay" element 16:29 that comes up among it 16:30 and I think we talked about this 16:32 in one of our last studies... 16:33 how the clay is symbolic of a professed people of God. 16:37 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 16:39 Ivor: Right, you are the potter, we are the clay. 16:41 Here's an element rising up within the Roman Empire 16:46 that is a religious Power 16:48 claiming to have God as its Maker 16:51 and yet it is mingling with the iron. 16:53 James: Hmmm... hmmm... Jason: Hmmm... 16:55 Ivor: It is mingling with the world 16:57 in a way that is not appealing to God... 17:00 that is not pleasing to God 17:02 and that's why the stone is cut out without hands... 17:04 destroys the image... not on the head... 17:06 not on the chest and arms 17:07 but on the feet of iron mingled with clay. 17:10 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 17:12 Ivor: Quick object lesson... 17:14 believers should not mingle with worldliness. 17:17 James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm... 17:18 Ivor: Right, so, that's number one. 17:20 When we get to Daniel 7, we see the same thing 17:23 but now we have the fourth beast... 17:27 this beast with iron teeth 17:29 paralleling the legs of iron in Daniel 2 17:32 and it has ten horns and then a Little Horn. 17:36 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 17:38 Ivor: Now, I want you to notice that in Daniel 2, 17:40 there's only four kingdoms 17:44 which means the toes of iron and the clay 17:47 are really an extension of the fourth kingdom... which is Rome. 17:50 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 17:52 Ivor: So, what God is doing is, He's using one symbol, Rome, 17:56 to apply to two different powers. 17:59 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 18:01 Ivor: Pagan Rome... and then this religious power 18:04 that comes out of Rome. 18:06 It's all the fourth kingdom. 18:07 James: Right. Yvonne: Hmmm... 18:09 Ivor: In Daniel 7, you have the same thing. 18:11 This Little Horn which parallels the clay of Daniel 2 18:16 that rises among the ten toes... 18:18 you have the Little Horn rising among the ten horns 18:20 but remember this, 18:22 the Little Horn is on the head of the fourth beast. 18:25 James: Right. 18:27 Ivor: So... so, it's really one power. 18:29 James: It's part of the fourth. Yvonne: Hmmm... 18:32 Ivor: It's part of the fourth. James: Yeah. 18:33 Ivor: Right, so when we identify this Little Horn 18:36 as rising some time after Rome 18:38 and I'm going somewhere very important with this, 18:40 this Little Horn rises some time after the fall of Rome. 18:44 James: Right. 18:45 Ivor: When we get to Daniel 8, 18:47 for a lot of people, this Little Horn appears to come 18:53 out of Greece. 18:54 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 18:56 Ivor: It does not come out of Greece. 18:58 James: Hmmm... 19:00 Ivor: It comes after Greece. James: Hmmm... 19:02 Ivor: In fact, the Bible says, 19:04 "In the latter end of their kingdom... " 19:06 in other words, when the Grecian kingdom is declining 19:10 is when this Little Horn is rising. 19:12 James: Right. 19:13 Ivor: Right, the Little Horn is now one symbol 19:19 describing two powers... 19:22 we know that Rome came after Greece 19:24 but if you look at the description of the Little Horn 19:26 it matches the description of the Little Horn in Daniel 7. 19:29 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 19:30 Ivor: Why do... why do we just go through this whole thing? 19:33 Because it's this Little Horn 19:36 that rises after the fall of Rome 19:39 that is desecrating the sanctuary 19:42 which leads us to a very important conclusion, 19:46 whatever the sanctuary is that is being desecrated, 19:51 it cannot be the literal temple in Jerusalem. 19:54 James: Hmmm... 19:55 Ivor: Because that temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. 19:59 James: Hmmm... hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 20:02 Ivor: It was destroyed in the Roman Empire. 20:06 So, if the Little Horn rises after Rome, 20:10 whatever sanctuary it is attacking 20:12 must be something that is not yet known or understood 20:18 to the Children of Israel. 20:19 James: Okay. Yvonne: Hmmm... 20:21 James: Good point... it's a really good point. 20:23 Okay, let's get back into our text, 20:25 just so that we can kind of summarize 20:27 a little bit of what you're saying here, 20:28 I want to get back into our text... 20:30 we're starting with verse 3 where we have the Ram 20:33 that is pictured here with two horns... 20:37 and the two horns were high 20:39 but one was higher than the other 20:41 and the higher came up last. 20:42 Do you remember this now as we correlate this with the bear? 20:45 The bear was higher one side. 20:47 Yvonne: Yes. 20:49 James: The Medes and Persians were connected 20:52 and the Persians came up after the Medes 20:55 and became stronger than the Medes 20:57 but they were one Power... they were connected together. 20:59 That's being depicted here in this verse 21:01 just like it was depicted in the verse in Daniel 7. 21:03 Yvonne: Hmmm... 21:04 James: And what's happening in Daniel 7, 21:06 as Ivor is bringing out in Daniel 8... 21:08 as Ivor's bringing out is as we move through history, 21:11 there's more information... there's more details 21:14 and that's what's... what's taking place in Daniel chapter 8 21:17 we're getting more details here that are going to help us 21:20 but it's really important as you pointed out, Ivor, 21:23 that we don't forget the past details 21:25 because the new details add to those past details 21:28 and gives more understanding of the prophecy 21:31 so, we know, for example, as Ivor said, 21:34 the Little Horn is part of the Roman Power 21:37 and so that... that Power that desecrates the sanctuary... 21:41 that takes place after Rome falls, 21:43 therefore, it can't be the literal sanctuary in Jerusalem 21:46 which was destroyed in A.D. 70. 21:47 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 21:49 James: Okay, we also in the context of this see in verse 4, 21:53 the ram pushing in all these different directions... 21:56 he's pushing westward and northward and southward, 22:00 okay, so, that indicates the direction he is coming from, 22:04 okay, he's pushing northward... and westward... and southward. 22:08 So, what direction was left out? 22:09 All: East. 22:11 James: East... so he's coming from the East, right, 22:13 Medo-Persians came from the East. 22:15 Now, if you go down here a little further, 22:17 as he's considering the horn, another horn comes up... 22:20 it says, "I was considering, behold, a goat came... " 22:24 excuse me... "a goat came up... " 22:26 and that wasn't a horn that was a ram... 22:27 so, you've got a ram and a goat... 22:29 verse 5, "the goat came from the west... " 22:31 so, this is a Power from the west... 22:33 the other Power is a Power from the east... 22:35 these directions are really important... 22:36 as you go down a little further, 22:39 he destroys Medo-Persia, this is, of course, Greece 22:44 and Alexander the Great... 22:46 the notable horn is Alexander the Great 22:48 and then it says in verse 8, 22:50 "Therefore the he goat waxed very great: 22:51 and when he was strong, the great horn was broken... " 22:54 Alexander conquered the world in a very short time 22:57 and then he died. 22:58 Yvonne: Hmmm... 23:00 James: And as he died, his... his complete territory 23:04 was divided eventually into four parts 23:07 and those four parts are depicted here, 23:09 it says, "And when he was strong, 23:10 the great horn was broken; 23:11 and for it came up four notable ones 23:13 toward the four winds of heaven. " 23:15 So, you've got four notable ones 23:16 toward the four winds of heaven. 23:18 North, South, East and West 23:20 and out of one of them... out of those four directions 23:23 because, remember, we've been talking about directions 23:25 all the way through here, we've been talking about the east... 23:27 we've been talking about the south... 23:28 we've been talking about the west... 23:30 we've been talking about the north... 23:31 coming from the west... coming from the east... 23:32 so, keep it consistent... out of one of them, 23:34 that is... one of those four winds... 23:36 one of those directions, 23:37 came forth a Little Horn which waxed exceedingly great 23:41 toward the south... toward the east... 23:44 and toward the Pleasant Land which is the west... 23:47 so, what direction is he coming from 23:50 if he's going toward the south, the east and the west? 23:51 All: North. 23:52 James: He's coming from the north. 23:54 So, this is the first time in Scripture 23:56 that we have an identification of the king of the North. 23:58 Yvonne: Ohhh... Ivor: Yes. 24:00 James: The king of the North is first identified in Daniel 8. 24:03 That will help us when we get to Daniel 11 24:05 because in Daniel 11, all this directional activity 24:09 and all of this directional identification 24:11 is going to be amplified. 24:14 In Daniel 11, it's king of the North... king of the South... 24:16 king of the North... king of the South... 24:17 king of the North, king of the South, 24:18 and people get lost in there 24:20 but if you start right here, 24:21 you're going to identify the king of the North as Rome. 24:25 Rome is the first time that we see 24:28 the king of the North identified and it's in Daniel 8. 24:30 Jason: Hmmm... 24:31 James: Because he's coming to the South... 24:33 he's going to the East... 24:34 he's going to the Pleasant Land which is west 24:35 so the only direction he can be coming from is the North 24:38 and Alexander's kingdom was... was... was... 24:41 as it says here in... in verse 8, 24:46 it was spread out toward the four winds of heaven 24:52 or the four corners of the earth... 24:54 the four directions of heaven. 24:55 So now, we look at Rome in its first stages 24:59 and the very first stage that we have is this pushing 25:03 toward these different directions... 25:04 Rome continues to conquer the world including Palestine... 25:08 including God's Glorious Land... 25:10 the Pleasant Land it's called here in verse 9. 25:13 So, Rome lands in Israel... in Judah 25:18 and then it says in verse 10, 25:20 "It waxed great, even to the host of heaven; 25:24 and it cast some of the host of the stars to the ground, 25:27 and stamped upon them. " 25:28 Now, what direction is this Power going in? 25:31 Pause... 25:35 Jason: Don't all answer at once, Pastor Myers... 25:38 All: Laughter 25:39 James: Now this Power is going up, okay, 25:42 now this Power is going up, right? 25:45 At first he was horizontal but now he's going vertical, 25:48 now, he's actually... and it's... you know... 25:50 we're thinking, "Well why is... against heaven, really?" 25:52 Yes, he is going against heaven 25:55 so now, this is where we would see a transition from Pagan Rome 25:59 to Papal Rome... this is where that transition takes place. 26:02 We've seen that transition in Daniel chapter 7, right, 26:05 we've seen that transition a little bit in Daniel 2 26:07 with the... the clay and the iron 26:10 but now it's... it's going to be emphasized even more... 26:12 amplified if you will... he's going toward heaven... 26:15 he is casting some of the host and the stars to the ground... 26:18 he's stamping upon them... that's persecution 26:20 verse 11, "He's magnifying himself 26:22 to the Prince of the host... taking the daily away... 26:26 and... and casting down the place of His sanctuary... " 26:30 now, that can't be the sanctuary in Jerusalem as we've noted 26:32 because this is after the transition from Pagan Rome 26:36 to Papal Rome. Jason: Hmmm... 26:37 The sanctuary that he is casting down 26:39 at least in intent and purpose is God's heavenly sanctuary. 26:44 A host is given him against the daily... 26:47 we're going to identify what that is in our next Session, 26:49 "by reason of transgression 26:51 and it cast the truth to the ground 26:53 and it practiced and prospered. " 26:54 So, this is identifying the Power of Papal Rome 27:00 as it transitions from Pagan Rome in verses 9 and 10, 27:06 you have that transition taking place there 27:07 and you've got a specific attack against the heavenly sanctuary, 27:11 the heavenly host... the Prince of the host 27:13 and the Daily... whatever that is 27:15 and all of this is taking place 27:17 in the context of Daniel chapter 8. 27:22 These are the... these verses are identifying for us 27:24 in symbolic language... 27:26 the attack against the sanctuary in heaven, Daniel chapter 8. 27:28 So, we're running out of time right now, 27:30 we're going to come back and we've really got to dissect, 27:32 we jumped ahead a little bit, 27:33 we're going to go back and we're going to look... 27:35 go through these verses point by point... 27:37 symbol by symbol and really identify... 27:39 really dissect and identify what's taking place here. 27:41 Does that sound good? 27:43 Jason: Sounds good. Yvonne: It's great. 27:44 James: We're all out of time... you know, time flies. 27:46 Yvonne: It does. James: Getting into this... time just flies by. 27:48 Yvonne: It really does, yeah. 27:50 James: So, anyway, we're really thankful that you could join us, 27:51 we're looking forward to continuing to Daniel chapter 8 27:53 so, don't go away, we will be back soon. |
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