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00:31 James: We have arrived... oooh... Daniel chapter 11... 00:35 Yvonne: Oh... 00:37 James: This is probably the most challenging Bible prophecy 00:41 in all Scripture... at least in the book of Daniel, 00:45 Daniel 11... the king of the North... 00:46 the king of the South 00:48 has challenged many scholars for many years 00:50 and even within our own church, there are two or three at least 00:53 different interpretations 00:54 of certain parts of Daniel chapter 11 00:56 especially verses 40 to 45. 00:59 So, we are venturing on challenging ground 01:02 but what's really, I think, important is 01:06 is that we've set a good foundation 01:07 of prophetic principles of interpretation 01:11 that can help us navigate this area of the book of Daniel. 01:15 We're going to reach back often to Daniel 2... Daniel 7... 01:19 Daniel 8... Daniel 9... 01:21 in order to help us to navigate Daniel chapter 11 01:24 and by the way, Daniel 11 and 12 verses 1 through 3 01:27 because it's one vision... 01:29 Daniel doesn't come out of vision at 11:45... 01:32 he comes out of vision at 12:3. 01:34 Yvonne: Hmmm... Jason: Hmmm... 01:35 James: 12:3 is part... 01:37 12:1, 2 and 3 is part of Daniel 11 01:39 and then, 12:4 all the way to 13 is basically a close... 01:43 some closing instructions given to Daniel to seal up 01:47 this part of the prophecy 01:49 because he wasn't going to understand it. 01:50 Anyway, before we get started, we need to have a word of prayer 01:53 Yvonne, would you like to pray for us? 01:54 Yvonne: Yes, yes... 01:55 "Dear Lord, thank You so very much 01:57 for bringing us together once again 01:58 to study Your Word 02:00 and to glean these treasures. 02:01 We just thank you for them 02:03 so that we know what's going to happen 02:05 and know what Your will is for us 02:07 and so, we thank you for that... 02:09 we pray for the leading and guidance of Your Holy Spirit, 02:13 You're welcome in this place, in Jesus' name, amen. " 02:16 James: Amen... You are welcome in this place, 02:18 I love that... 02:19 because God wants us to ask Him to be in this place. 02:23 Yvonne: Yes. 02:24 James: Over and over again, we saw that in Daniel chapter 10 02:26 that continually Daniel felt his weakness... his unworthiness... 02:30 and continually God touched him... 02:32 spoke to him and lifted him up... 02:34 touched him... spoke to him and lifted him up... 02:35 touched him... spoke to him... lifted him up 02:37 and that's what we want. 02:38 We want the experience of Daniel. 02:39 In fact, I think it's vital that Daniel 10 02:42 is read and studied and understood 02:44 before you get to Daniel 11 02:46 because Daniel 10 instructs us 02:48 on the kind of attitude that God is looking for us 02:51 to imitate in relationship to Daniel. 02:54 Daniel 9 begins with this attitude of humility 02:58 that leads us to an understanding 03:00 of the 70-week prophecy. 03:01 Daniel 10... same basic principle. 03:04 We see Daniel being real with God... 03:06 confessing his weakness and his faults, 03:08 humbling himself again and again 03:10 and God touching him... speaking to him 03:12 and lifting him up 03:14 and then making this promise to Gabriel... 03:15 I'm going to instruct you and give you understanding, 03:19 I'm going to tell you about the kings of Persia, 03:21 I'm going to tell you about the kingdom Greece that's coming 03:23 and then we move into Daniel chapter 11 and verse 1. 03:26 What have you got here, Ivor? 03:27 Ivor: So, I think when we get to Daniel 11, 03:32 one of the struggles that people have is 03:36 understanding how to interpret Daniel 11 03:40 in light of the rest of the book of Daniel. 03:44 Like we've mentioned before, 03:46 people will often jump into the book of Daniel chapter 11 03:51 and not take into context the entire book of Daniel. 03:55 All: Hmmm... hmmm... 03:57 Ivor: So, that's what we want to do. 03:58 We want to try to just do an overview of the book of Daniel 04:03 and see how Daniel 2 04:06 ultimately leads us to an understanding of Daniel 11. 04:10 So, let's talk about this principle... 04:13 we're going to look at two things here: 04:18 parallel and zoom... parallel and zoom 04:23 so, those are the two words I want you to focus on, right. 04:25 Beginning with Daniel 2, 04:27 we have the dream that Nebuchadnezzar had 04:32 and in the dream he saw an image of a man 04:36 and the image is... the head is of gold... 04:40 the chest and arms of silver... 04:43 the belly and thighs of brass... 04:45 the legs of iron 04:47 and then the toes of iron and clay. 04:49 James: Okay. 04:51 Ivor: By the way, 04:52 and... and James, I don't know if you've... 04:55 and I think we talked about this way back 04:58 when we did Daniel 2. 04:59 This is an image of a man, 05:02 right, it's not an image of an animal 05:06 or... it's an image of a man 05:09 and the stone destroys this image right on the feet. 05:15 James: Yes. 05:16 Ivor: At the end of time 05:18 and I think to a certain degree 05:20 the... the Bible speaks about the man of sin. 05:24 James: Hmmm... 05:26 Ivor: The man of sin. James: Yeah. 05:28 Ivor: I think what you see here in Daniel 2 05:30 is... this is an image of... 05:33 and the story of the man that rejects Christ. 05:36 James: Yes, the man of sin. Yvonne: Hmmm... 05:38 James: That's good, yeah, that's good, yeah. 05:40 Ivor: So, you have this man of sin 05:43 and then the stone destroying this man of sin 05:47 right there in Daniel 2. 05:48 James: Ivor, can we park on that for just a second? 05:51 I really love what you're saying here 05:53 because Revelation 13 really connects the two. 05:57 Revelation 13 parallels 2nd Thessalonians 2... 06:01 the man of sin... the Antichrist... 06:04 Revelation 13 identifies it 06:05 and brings in Babylon, Medo-Persia, 06:08 Greece and Rome 06:09 and so, the image is... if you will, a... a... 06:13 a... a picture of the development of the man of sin 06:16 down through the year 06:17 because the man of sin has the characteristics of Babylon 06:20 and Medo-Persia and Greece and Pagan Rome 06:23 and develops into the man of sin 06:25 as we get to the end of time so I love that thought, 06:28 that was good. 06:29 Ivor: Absolutely... absolutely, so this stone 06:31 and... and here's what we understand about Daniel 2 06:34 and remember, we're trying to get to Daniel 11 and 12, right, 06:37 but we're starting in Daniel 2 06:39 and we're already seeing... 06:40 God is setting us up to try to show us something 06:43 and He starts right in Daniel 2. 06:45 James: Okay. Yvonne: Hmmm... James: Good. 06:46 Ivor: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome... 06:48 these ten toes and the clay that rises up among the 10 toes. 06:53 James: Okay. 06:54 Ivor: The image... the stone destroys the image on the toes 06:59 of clay and iron. 07:01 James: Yeah, at the feet. 07:03 Ivor: Well, at the feet... well, we don't know, I mean, 07:04 we're not told what this image does... 07:07 we're not told what happens in the toes of iron and clay, 07:10 all we know is that the stone is like, 07:14 "No, enough is enough... boom. " 07:16 James: Gotcha... in Daniel 2, you mean. 07:18 Ivor: Daniel 2. James: Got you. 07:20 What's going to happen in Daniel 7 is a repeat 07:24 of Daniel 2 but it's going to zoom in... 07:29 it parallels Daniel 2 but it's going to zoom in 07:32 and give us more detail 07:34 about the most important part of this image 07:37 which is the toes of iron and clay. 07:39 James: Gotcha... Yvonne: Hmmm... 07:40 Ivor: So, we get to Daniel 7... we find a lion... 07:44 a bear... a leopard... 07:46 and then this fourth beast that has iron teeth... 07:49 so, I want you to notice the parallel 07:51 in Daniel 2... 07:53 the fourth kingdom is the kingdom of iron legs. 07:57 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 07:59 Ivor: In Daniel 7, the fourth beast... iron teeth. 08:03 James: Gotcha... 08:04 Ivor: Okay... out of this fourth beast, 08:07 there are ten horns 08:09 and then a Little Horn rising among the ten horns. 08:14 James: Okay. 08:15 Ivor: That Little Horn 08:17 is going to parallel the clay of Daniel 2. 08:20 James: Okay. Yvonne: Hmmm. 08:21 Ivor: That rises among the ten toes 08:23 and here you find God now giving us more information 08:28 about this Little Horn. 08:31 By the way, you remember that in the Bible, 08:34 clay, Isaiah 64 verse 8, "You are the potter... " 08:36 talking about God... "we are the clay. " 08:38 Clay is symbolic of a people 08:42 that profess to be molded by God. 08:44 Yvonne: Hmmm... James: Okay... all right. 08:46 Ivor: So, here we have in Daniel 2, 08:49 this religious element rising among the ten toes 08:55 that came out of Rome. 08:57 James: Okay. 08:58 Ivor: In Daniel 7, it's the Little Horn 09:02 that parallels the clay 09:04 and now we're told that this Little Horn 09:07 thinks to change times and laws... 09:09 persecutes the saints of the... 09:12 so, now we're getting the idea, "Oh, huh, 09:15 well this is what apparently is so offensive to God... " 09:19 right? James: Yeah. 09:21 Ivor: This is what this Little Horn or this... this... 09:23 the toes of iron and clay in Daniel 2 is doing 09:26 that causes the stone to come. 09:29 James: Okay. Yvonne: Hmmm... 09:31 Ivor: But God says, "We're not finished yet... " 09:34 not only does it attack the saints of the Most High 09:36 and think to change times and laws, 09:38 let's go to Daniel 8 09:39 and in Daniel 8, what are we going to see? 09:44 We're going to see a parallel and a zooming in. 09:48 James: Medo-Persia... Greece... Rome... 09:51 Ivor: Yeah, this is going to take us all the way to Daniel 12 09:53 right? So, what do we see in... 09:55 in... in Daniel 8? 09:59 We see two beasts and who are they? 10:01 James: So, we got... 10:03 Ivor: James, James, James, James... can you... 10:04 can you tell us about... 10:07 James: Yes, yes, the types of beasts they are... 10:10 Ivor: Go down through... and particularly the four horns 10:13 and remember what you broke down about directions? 10:15 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 10:17 Ivor: So, can you just break that down real quick? 10:18 James: Yeah, so, the two beasts are 10:20 representatives of Medo-Persia and Greece... 10:23 the first beast is a ram 10:25 and the second beast is a goat 10:27 and these are sanctuary animals. 10:29 These are animals that are connected with the sanctuary 10:32 and specifically the Day of Atonement. 10:34 So, we have sanctuary language in Daniel 8... 10:37 we have the law language in Daniel 7... 10:39 we have the sanctuary language in Daniel 8 10:40 and that's because we... we finished Daniel 8... 10:44 at least the vision part with this verse that talks of 10:47 the cleansing of the sanctuary which is the Day of Judgment 10:49 or the Day of Atonement. 10:50 So, God is setting us up right from the beginning 10:53 but just so that we don't misunderstand and think, 10:56 "Oh, wait a minute, different animals... 10:58 this must be a different vision... different kingdoms" 10:59 no, no, no... 11:01 verses 20 through 22 tells, "No... 11:03 the ram is... are the kings of Medo-Persia 11:06 and the he-goat represents the kingdom of Greece 11:08 and the horn is the... 11:10 the notable horn within the he-goat is the first king 11:12 or Alexander the Great. 11:14 So, we're still on track 11:15 but God now is communicating a different phase 11:18 of what's taking place in this prophecy... 11:21 this is a phase that has to do with the sanctuary... 11:23 the assault on the sanctuary... 11:25 the assault on the mediation of Christ 11:27 and the need for the sanctuary to be cleansed or made right 11:30 and we want to understand that 11:31 being cleansed and being made right 11:33 are two sides of the same coin. 11:35 In other words, the cleansing or the judgment 11:38 is also connected with the sanctuary being corrected 11:41 or being made right in its understanding... 11:43 we've misunderstood it... it's been obscured... 11:45 it's been cast to the earth... 11:46 no, the sanctuary is in heaven 11:47 and we need to get that right 11:49 if we're going to understand the judgment. 11:50 Yvonne: Hmmm... 11:51 James: The four directions... Ivor: The four directions... 11:54 because the four directions is set... 11:56 God is zooming in on this Little Horn 11:59 and He's setting us up to understand Daniel 11. 12:04 James: Especially the king of the North. 12:05 Ivor: Break that down, James, yeah, exactly. 12:07 James: So when... when the... 12:08 the Grecian kingdom breaks up into four parts, 12:11 just like it does in Daniel 7, 12:13 you've got the leopard with four heads, 12:15 here it breaks up into four parts 12:17 toward the four winds of heaven 12:20 and the four winds of heaven, north, south, east and west... 12:23 and then it says in verse 8, 12:26 "Therefore the he goat waxed very great: 12:28 and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; 12:29 and it came... came up four notable ones 12:33 toward the four winds of heaven. 12:35 And out of one of them... " that is one of the winds... 12:38 "came up a little horn, which waxed exceeding great" 12:41 verse 9... "toward the south, 12:43 toward the east, 12:45 and toward the pleasant land. " 12:46 And the pleasant land is the west... 12:48 it's west of east and... 12:50 so, we have those three directions included 12:53 we have one direction left out... north... 12:55 so, it must be coming from the north 12:57 so, this is the first time the king of the north 12:59 is identified and it's identified as Rome. 13:02 Yvonne: Hmmm... Ivor: Yes. 13:05 James: Both in its pagan and its Papal stage. 13:07 Ivor: Yeah, absolutely, 13:08 so what we have happening in Daniel 8... 13:10 God is again repeating 13:13 but now, Babylon is... is... is out of the picture. 13:16 We're zooming in. 13:17 James: Yes. 13:19 Ivor: And I need you to see that this Little Horn 13:20 not only desecrates the sanctuary 13:24 but he even stands up against the Prince of Hosts... 13:28 against Jesus Himself. 13:30 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 13:32 Ivor: So, this Little Horn we see 13:34 is representing both Pagan Rome and Papal Rome. 13:40 All right, we're seeing that God is moving us 13:45 step by step... preparing us for Daniel 11. 13:49 Daniel 9... we see the beginning of the 2300 days 13:55 pointing to... this is very interesting 13:57 and James, this... this... 13:59 who is it that destroys the city and the temple 14:04 according to the 70-Week prophecy... 14:06 70 weeks... Jesus is going to come... 14:08 and then this "prince" is going to destroy the city 14:13 and the sanctuary... 14:14 the literal city and the literal sanctuary. 14:17 Who does that? 14:18 James: Titus... 14:20 Ivor: It is Rome... Titus... it's Rome... 14:22 the latter part of this 2300 days... 14:26 we're going to see the same... I'm sorry... 14:28 the latter part of the... of the prophecy 14:31 which would include the 2300 days 14:33 and particularly the 1260 years 14:36 is going to also include a desecration of the sanctuary 14:39 but this time it's not Pagan Rome... 14:42 it's Papal Rome. 14:44 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 14:46 Ivor: This sets the stage for Daniel 11 14:49 because now we know what we're looking for. 14:53 If we understand Daniel 2, 14:56 we have everything we need to understand Daniel 11 15:01 because Daniel 11 is simply a repeat and enlarge 15:05 of Daniel 8... of Daniel 7 and of Daniel 2. 15:09 James: Amen. 15:10 Ivor: So, all we need to do in Daniel 11... 15:13 we got all these verses... 15:14 "Man! what is this stuff talking about?" 15:16 If we understand the transition points in Daniel 2 15:21 and the transition points in Daniel 7 15:24 and in Daniel 8, 15:26 all we need to do 15:27 is look for those transition points in Daniel 11. 15:31 James: Amen. 15:32 Ivor: And we will know that 15:34 the verses in between those transition points, 15:37 are simply filling in details within that particular nation, 15:42 they're zooming in, right... 15:45 James: They're the zoom... Ivor: They're the zoom... 15:47 so, we know, for example, let's go to Daniel 11 15:50 and let's just look at those first two verses. 15:53 James: Okay. 15:55 Pause... 15:57 Jason: Okay. 15:58 James: Jason, you want to read those for us? 16:00 Jason: Sure thing... 16:01 "Also in the first year of Darius the Mede, 16:03 I, even I, stood up to confirm and strengthen him. 16:06 And now I will tell you the truth: 16:08 Behold, three more kings will arise in Persia, 16:12 and... " 16:14 Ivor: You can stop right there. Yvonne: Laughing... 16:18 Ivor: Man! Daniel 8 began with what kingdom? 16:22 The Persian Empire... 16:24 All: Hmmm... hmmm... 16:25 Ivor: Daniel 11... what does it begin with? 16:29 The Persian Empire. 16:30 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 16:32 Ivor: We already know then, 16:33 watch this... that Daniel 11 begins 16:37 the same place as Daniel 8... 16:39 now, watch this... 16:41 pause... 16:43 in Daniel 12, Michael stands up... 16:48 pause... 16:50 and the dead are going to be raised. 16:53 This is the second coming of Jesus. 16:55 James: Hmmm... 16:57 Ivor: This is the stone cut out without hands 17:01 that destroys the image on the feet. 17:03 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 17:05 Ivor: What does that telling us? 17:07 Daniel 11 is going to give us the most detailed explanation 17:13 as to why the stone in Daniel 2 smites the image on its feet. 17:18 James: Yeah, there was no explanation in Daniel 2 at all. 17:22 Ivor: There's none in Daniel 2, Daniel 7... we get more detail, 17:25 Daniel 8... we get more detail... 17:29 Daniel 11... those last verses... 17:32 we could say, the last half of Daniel 11, 17:34 is going to be like, 17:36 "All right, here is what the Little Horn does... 17:38 here is how... " 17:39 and this is what leads to Michael standing up 17:44 and the dead being raised 17:45 which we know is parallel to the second coming of... 17:48 it's the same thing as the second coming of Jesus. 17:51 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 17:53 Ivor: Right, so Daniel 11 and 12 gave us the greatest detail 17:57 of what's happening in Daniel 2. 17:59 So, think of Daniel 2 as the big picture 18:02 and then the rest of the book is explaining to us... 18:06 here's how you need to understand Daniel chapter 2. 18:09 James: You know, we see the same principle, 18:11 you know, all through the Bible. 18:13 In Genesis chapter 1, God creates the world. 18:17 In Genesis chapter 2, 18:18 He parallel and zooms in on that creation, you know, 18:21 in Genesis chapter 1 He makes man... Adam and Eve... 18:24 man and woman in His image. 18:26 In Genesis 2, He tells us how it all happens. 18:28 "You know, first I made man and then I let him get lonely 18:31 let him feel his need... I took a rib from his side... 18:34 put him to sleep... 18:35 first surgery... rib from his side... made Eve" 18:37 and that's the same thing we see in Exodus, Leviticus, 18:39 Numbers... Deuteronomy... 18:41 the law is given and then, the rest of these books... 18:43 the rest of the Torah expound upon the Law 18:46 and give us the details of the Law... 18:48 what it means to love God with all our heart 18:50 and love our neighbors as ourselves 18:51 and we see... 18:52 so we see this all the way through the Scriptures... 18:54 this principle. 18:56 Ivor: Absolutely, so now we know in Daniel 11, 18:59 if Medo-Persia is mentioned first, 19:01 we know who we're looking for next... 19:04 who are we looking for next? 19:06 James: Greece. Yvonne: Greece. 19:08 We're looking for Greece, right, 19:10 let's read the next verse. 19:11 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 19:12 Jason: All right, "Then a mighty king shall arise, 19:15 who shall rule with great dominion, 19:17 and do according to his will. 19:19 And when he has arisen, 19:22 his kingdom shall be broken up and divided 19:24 toward the four winds of heaven, 19:26 but not among his... " 19:28 Ivor: Okay, Jason, let me pause you for a second, 19:30 when I stopped you in verse 2... 19:33 you should have kept it... so let's finish verse 2. 19:37 Jason: Got you... okay, 19:38 "by his strength, through his riches, 19:41 he shall stir up all against the realm of Greece. " 19:44 James: No, you got to go back a little bit further, 19:47 let's just read the whole verse again. 19:48 Jason: Sounds good... 19:50 "And now I will tell you the truth: 19:51 Behold, three more kings will arise in Persia, 19:54 and the fourth shall be far richer than them all; 19:58 by his strength, through his riches, 20:00 he shall stir up all against the realm of Greece. " 20:03 James: Hmmm... 20:04 Ivor: All right... keep going, read the next verse. 20:08 Jason: Okay, "Then a mighty king shall arise, 20:09 who shall rule with great dominion, 20:12 and do according to his will. 20:13 And when he has arisen, 20:15 his kingdom shall be broken up and divided 20:18 toward the four winds of heaven, 20:19 but not among his... " 20:21 Ivor: All right, I'm stopping you again... 20:24 I'm stopping you again... 20:26 Jason: That's all right. 20:27 Ivor: We already know this, right? 20:30 James: Yes, we just read it. 20:31 Ivor: We saw this in Daniel 8. James: Yeah. 20:33 Ivor: Right, Daniel 8... you got the... the... the... 20:36 the Ram with the two horns 20:38 and then you got the he-goat... 20:40 the first king is Alexander... 20:42 then his kingdom is broken into four parts... we... 20:44 this is repeat and enlarge... 20:46 so, we know that we should be looking for what kingdom next? 20:50 If this is Greece... Rome... 20:54 so, now we just got to... where can we find... 20:59 now, I might... the verses after verse 4... 21:03 verse 4 might be Rome... verse 5... I don't know... 21:07 I've got to find something that helps me to identify 21:11 where Rome is... 21:12 now, let me just ask a question, 21:14 are we trying to focus on Rome right now 21:19 or are we trying to focus on what God is ultimately 21:22 trying to show us... 21:24 what He's ultimately trying to zoom in on... 21:26 Yvonne: The first... the first part... 21:29 well, He's ultimately trying to zoom in... 21:32 James: The latter. 21:34 Ivor: We're trying to find what He's... 21:35 James: What He wants us to focus in on... yeah... 21:37 Ivor: Right... so at this point, I just want to know... 21:42 okay, where is Rome? 21:43 James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 21:45 Ivor: Because I want to know what happens after Rome 21:47 that causes Jesus to come, right. 21:50 So, what we... we're sharing this because 21:52 what we're seeing is 21:54 the details of what happens in the Grecian Empire are important 22:00 but in the big picture, 22:02 God is trying to show us something different... 22:07 something other than... 22:08 "Look at the detail of the different kings 22:10 that rose in the Grecian Empire. " 22:11 James: Right. 22:13 Ivor: Right, so where do we find... 22:15 James, can you give us something that we might look to say, 22:21 "Ah, this must be Rome. " 22:22 James: Two things here and I just want to bring up so, 22:26 first of all, yes, that point... 22:28 the point you made about the details is really powerful 22:30 because God gives us the details 22:33 in order for us to have more confidence in His Word, okay, 22:37 plus the details help move us through history 22:39 just a little bit... 22:41 but we can get bogged down in the details in Daniel 11, 22:43 so, if we move through this, 22:45 we've gone from Medo-Persia to Greece 22:47 and if we just move through 22:48 and God's actually doing this, He's saying, 22:49 "Hey, there's going to be three more kings 22:51 and the fourth one's going to be this... " 22:52 and He's just moving through quickly anyway... 22:54 He goes into the details and then notice verse 14, 22:56 "In those times there shall many stand up 22:59 against the king of the south: 23:00 also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves 23:04 to establish the vision; but they shall fall. " 23:06 That's talking about the Romans and I'll tell you why... 23:09 that word "robbers" means breakers... 23:12 it's the same word that is used in Daniel 7 and verse 7 23:15 when it talks about the fourth beast 23:17 being a terrible beast that breaks in pieces... 23:20 this is talking about the Romans. 23:22 The Roman Empire starts small and it stands up... 23:26 it begins to... to exalt itself 23:28 in order to establish the vision 23:30 which is a vision of Medo-Persia, Greece 23:32 and then Pagan Rome. 23:33 So, that's where we see Rome enter the picture 23:36 and from verse 14 all the way through to verse 22, 23:40 with verses 20 to 22 being the standout verses for us. 23:44 There's a lot of detail about how Rome establishes itself... 23:48 how Rome rises in those verses 23:51 but when you read verse 20... 23:53 just read verse 20 first, Yvonne 23:54 and tell me what you think right there... 23:56 who do you think that is? 23:58 Yvonne: "There shall arise in his place 23:59 one who imposes taxes on the glorious kingdom; 24:02 but within a few days he shall be destroyed, 24:05 but not in anger or in battle. " 24:06 James: Who do you think that is? 24:08 Yvonne: Rome. 24:09 James: Now read Luke chapter 3 or chapter 2 and verse 1, 24:15 now we read this in an earlier session 24:17 but I want us to read it again, 24:18 Luke is the Historian 24:20 and Luke is giving us not just a picture of Christ 24:23 from the gospel per se... he has given us the history of Christ, 24:27 when Christ was born 24:28 so, in Luke chapter 2, Yvonne, can you read that for us 24:31 beginning with verse 1? 24:33 Yvonne: "And it came to pass in those days 24:34 that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus 24:37 that all the world should be... " 24:38 it says "registered" here 24:40 but in the King James it says, "taxed. " 24:42 James: Yeah... and in verse 2... 24:44 Yvonne: "This census first took place 24:47 while Quirinius was governing Syria. " 24:49 James: Keep going... 24:50 Yvonne: "So all went to be registered, 24:52 every one to his own city. " 24:54 James: And verse 4... 24:55 Yvonne: Joseph also went up from Galilee, 24:57 out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, 24:59 to the city of David, 25:00 which is called Bethlehem, 25:02 because he was of the house and lineage of David... " 25:04 James: And then verse 5... 25:06 Yvonne: "to be registered with Mary, 25:07 his betrothed wife, who was with child. " 25:09 James: Ooooh... 25:10 Yvonne: Wow! Caesar Augustus is mentioned right here, wow! 25:12 James: Do you see where we are in Daniel 11? Yes. 25:14 Yvonne: Wow! 25:15 James: In Daniel 11, we just nailed the birth of Christ. 25:18 Yvonne: That's Caesar Augustus, yes. 25:20 James: Now, what Ivor is saying and I believe here 25:22 is that, this is the point of Bible prophecy. 25:24 The point of Bible prophecy is to get us to Jesus... 25:27 that's the point of Bible prophecy... to get us to Jesus 25:29 and if you were to divide... you know... 25:32 this is just a thought 25:34 but if you were to divide Daniel 11 in half... 45 verses, 25:38 you... you get to the middle of it 25:40 and that would be in verse 22 and a half, so to speak, 25:45 so, it's interesting that Jesus is right here in the center... 25:48 this is when He's born. 25:50 Now, in the next verse, 25:52 you have a description of someone else 25:57 who steps into the estate of Augustus Caesar, 26:00 it says in verse 21... 26:01 well, Jason, can you read that for us? 26:03 Jason: Verse 21 of Daniel 11? James: Yes. 26:05 Jason: Yes, "And in his place shall arise a vile person, 26:08 to whom they will not give the honor of royalty; 26:11 but he shall come in peaceably, 26:13 and seize the kingdom by intrigue. " 26:15 James: Okay, that's Titus... Titus... excuse me, not Titus... 26:18 Tiberius... Tiberius follows Augustus Caesar, 26:22 we read that in Luke chapter 3. 26:24 Tiberius wasn't loved by the people... 26:27 he was hated by the people but he was loved by Augustus 26:30 and Augustus... it wasn't his, you know, 26:33 son by blood 26:34 but Augustus brought him into the kingdom through marriage, 26:36 brought him in and set him up... 26:38 they were actually co-Precepts together... 26:40 in AD 13, they ruled together 26:42 and then when Augustus passed in AD 14, 26:44 Tiberius just stepped right in peaceably... 26:46 he stepped into the kingdom. Yvonne: Hmmm... 26:48 James: So, this is exactly what we're... 26:50 we're being confirmed with in the New Testament story 26:53 and then you read verse 22, now, check this out, verse 22, 26:57 Jason, you want to read that? 26:59 Jason: "With the force of a flood they shall be swept away 27:02 from before him and be broken, 27:04 and also the prince of the covenant. " 27:06 James: Okay, who's that talking about? 27:08 Jason: Jesus. Yvonne: Jesus. 27:10 James: When did He die? When was He crucified? 27:12 Under whose reign? 27:14 Yvonne: A.D. 31. 27:15 James: He was born under Augustus Caesar 27:18 and He was crucified under Tiberius Caesar. 27:20 Jason: Oh. Yvonne: Ah... hmmm... 27:22 James: And Daniel 11 is pinpointing that for us. 27:25 Of all the details Daniel can give us, now, think about this, 27:29 Daniel 11 can go anywhere and everywhere 27:31 because there's so much history of the Roman Empire 27:34 I mean, that Rome... that Empire lasted for centuries 27:37 but he nailed... 27:38 he lands in the timeframe of the birth of Christ 27:43 and the death of Christ 27:45 because prophecy is bringing us to Jesus. 27:47 Ivor: And we know that the next power we need to be looking for 27:51 is none other than the Little Horn... 27:54 James: that will follow, amen... amen. 27:57 Yvonne: Amen. |
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