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Series Code: SISS
Program Code: SISS000111S
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00:30 James: We are coming to the end of this Book 00:34 and it has been quite a journey. 00:36 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 00:37 James: We left off in Daniel 12 verse 1, 00:39 we didn't cover it all. 00:41 There's something about this book that we need to understand 00:44 in relation to God's people in the end of time, 00:47 who are going to be delivered 00:48 and I think it's really important 00:50 because we've spent so much time 00:51 emphasizing these prophecies 00:53 as they relate to these earthly kingdoms 00:56 and what they're trying to do and how they're trying to up-end 00:59 you know, the sanctuary and the law of God 01:02 and they're confederating together 01:04 and they're controlling the world 01:05 and influencing the world and controlling the economy, etc. 01:09 but we've got to now at least emphasize 01:12 how we escape from all that. Yvonne: Hmmm... 01:14 James: We've got to show 01:16 what God has given His people for an exit... 01:18 an escape route so to speak 01:20 and that's the very word that Daniel uses. 01:23 Daniel chapter 12 or 11... 11 verse 41 says, 01:26 "these shall escape" they'll be delivered 01:28 so, what is this escape that's being described here? 01:32 Well, Daniel 12 verse 1 tells us 01:34 but it's not totally within that verse. 01:37 The verse sets up a basic outline... 01:40 we need to go into the Bible now, 01:42 we need to find out what that outline is, 01:44 what is it that God's people are going to be doing in this time. 01:46 So, Jay, would you have prayer for us as we get going 01:50 and get into this, I say, "Jay" but I mean "Jason" but Jays. 01:53 Jason: That's fine, Jay, yeah, it works. 01:55 "Dear heavenly Father, 01:57 we thank you for this time that we have together 01:59 to study Your Word, Lord, 02:01 and as we go over this Lesson, 02:03 Father, show us how we can be delivered. 02:05 In Jesus' name we pray, amen. " 02:07 All: Amen. 02:08 James: I want to just open up to Malachi chapter 3 really quick 02:13 just to get us going here 02:14 because I feel like... 02:16 this is the last book of the Old Testament... 02:18 I feel like God has put some words in here 02:21 that are really significant for our time 02:23 and that's how we can connect them to Daniel 12 02:28 which we know is just ahead of us when Michael stands up 02:30 and talks about deliverance, 02:32 so, if you could read Malachi 3, and let's just start... 02:35 Yvonne, could you start in verse 15 02:38 and read verses 15 and 16 and 17 and 18... 02:44 15 through 18, yeah. 02:46 Yvonne: "So now we call the proud blessed, 02:49 for those who do wickedness are raised up; 02:51 they even tempt God and go free. 02:53 Then those who feared the Lord spoke to one another, 02:57 and the Lord listened and heard them; 02:58 so a book of remembrance was written before Him 03:01 for those who fear the Lord and who meditate on His name. 03:05 'They shall be Mine,' says the Lord of hosts, 03:08 'On the day that I make them My jewels. 03:11 And I will spare them as a man spares his own son 03:15 who serves him. ' 03:16 Then you shall again discern between the righteous 03:19 and the wicked, 03:20 between one who serves God 03:22 and one who does not serve Him. " 03:24 James: There's a lot of insight here 03:26 just... just starting with that last verse, you see that? 03:29 There's a lack of discernment between those who serve God 03:33 and those who don't serve Him. 03:34 In other words, there's a power that's coming 03:36 with religious guise 03:37 and it's hard to distinguish who's serving God 03:39 and who isn't serving God. Yvonne: Hmmm... 03:41 James: Is that... you see that in the verse? 03:42 Then you're going to return 03:44 and you're going to be able to discern 03:46 between the righteous and the wicked... 03:47 between him that serves God and him that doesn't serve God. 03:48 So, right now, we can't discern that. 03:50 Everyone is professing to serve God... 03:52 everyone is saying, "Well, I believe in God, 03:54 do you believe in God?" 03:56 "Yeah, I believe in God, yeah, we all believe in God. " 03:57 It's... it's... it's... it's confusing, 04:00 really, it's confusing 04:02 because there's so much religiosity in the world 04:04 that isn't really God's... Ivor: Wheat and tares. 04:06 James: Yeah, wheat and tares... wheat and tares 04:09 and then as you go backwards from there, you realize that... 04:12 that one of the ways that God's people are distinguished 04:16 is through this attitude of fearing the Lord 04:20 and a lot of times we talk about, 04:22 you know, fearing the Lord... 04:24 fear God... in fact, the three angels' message 04:26 in Revelation 14 has a clarion call 04:29 under the everlasting gospel to fear God. 04:31 Yvonne: Right. 04:32 "Fear God, and give glory to Him. " 04:33 But what does it mean to fear God? 04:35 Well, here's what it means... practically speaking... 04:37 okay, in verse 15 you read... no... 14... 16 you read, sorry, 04:43 in verse 16 you read that they that fear the Lord... 04:46 what did they do? Yvonne: Spoke to one another. 04:48 James: They spoke... and... and the King James says, 04:50 they spoke often one to another. Yvonne: Hmmm... 04:52 James: They spoke often and what else did they do? 04:54 The Lord hearkened and heard it 04:55 and a book of remembrance was written before Him 04:57 for them that fear the Lord... 04:59 so, it's repeated and did what? 05:00 Jason: Meditate on His name. James: Yes. 05:02 They're not meditating on the news... 05:04 you know, which is... it's hard not to do that... 05:06 I mean, I had to cut off my news Apps recently 05:09 because I was just getting hooked on so much stuff going on 05:12 you can get swallowed up by it 05:13 and then you just... all you think about is the news 05:16 and all the stuff that's going on in the world... 05:19 and you don't have time to meditate on... 05:21 and you know, meditation is something that... 05:23 it's an afterthought. 05:24 You consume a book... 05:25 you consume a... you know, 05:27 a movie... a study... whatever it is 05:29 and then... have you noticed that? 05:31 Then the next day you're thinking about it. 05:33 Yvonne: Hmmm... 05:34 James: Thoughts come about whatever it was 05:35 that was on your mind the day before... 05:37 it comes and you're thinking about it. 05:38 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 05:39 James: So, whatever we are focusing on and thinking about, 05:41 we end up meditating on later on 05:43 so, what God is saying here is, He's saying, 05:46 "If you fear Me... 05:48 if you are those people that are fearing the Lord, 05:50 here's what's going to be happening, 05:51 you will be talking about Me often... " right? 05:53 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 05:54 James: "You'll be talking about Me often... 05:55 not just talking about Me some time... 05:57 talking about Me often 05:58 and you're going to be meditating... 06:00 you're going to be spending so much time focused on Me 06:02 that when you're... when you're meditating... 06:04 when thoughts come into your brain, 06:05 it's thoughts of Me. " Yvonne: Hmmm... 06:08 James: You know how it is, 06:09 when we spend a lot of time on something, 06:10 those thoughts come back into our brain. 06:12 When you were building your house, 06:13 what were you thinking about when you were sleeping? 06:15 Jason: Gut fact that I was going to have to wake up 06:17 and do it again. 06:18 All: Laughter. 06:20 James: Did I make that door right? 06:21 Did I hold it straight? 06:22 What color paint did I want to have? 06:24 Ddddd... d... d... d... how did we do it through...? 06:25 You think... because that's what you're doing... 06:27 that's what you end up thinking about... 06:28 that's what you end up dreaming about... 06:29 that's what is on your brain... just all of the time. 06:31 I know, because we had some of these Programs 06:33 when you were building your house 06:35 and you were just off there just thinking about the house. 06:36 All: Laughter... 06:39 James: That is our natural tendency... and God is saying, 06:42 "You know, there's a bunch of people in the end of time... " 06:44 I'm not going to say, "a bunch of people... " 06:46 I'm going to say, "There's... I've got people 06:47 in the end of time... they don't know what to do... 06:49 they're throwing their hands in the air... 06:51 they don't know what to do, they don't know where to go, 06:52 they don't know where to turn... " 06:53 and God is saying, "Turn to Me... turn to Me... " 06:55 spend time speaking about Me... meditating on Me... 06:58 focus on Me and those meditations will come 07:00 and you're going to be Mine... I'm going to... 07:02 you're going to... when I make up my jewels, 07:04 you're going to be part of those jewels... 07:05 I'm going to write you in the Book. " 07:07 See, right here it's called the Book of Remembrance 07:09 was written before Him... 07:12 the Book of Remembrance was written before Him... 07:14 we're living in a time, verse 15, 07:15 when we call the proud happy... 07:17 "when those that tempt God are set up... " right? 07:22 Yvonne: Hmmm... Jason: Hmmm... 07:23 James: People that are godless, people that are proud... 07:25 people that have attitudes... 07:27 that's who we're looking to 07:29 and God is saying... at that time, 07:30 we need to focus on Jesus because Jesus gets rid of pride. 07:34 Yvonne: Hmmm... 07:35 James: Jesus gets rid of wickedness... 07:37 Jesus gets rid of ungodliness 07:38 and as we focus on Him, 07:40 we find ourselves even meditating... 07:41 meditating... thinking of Him even more 07:43 and pretty soon, other things just kind of fall away 07:46 and the anxiety and the care... and the concerns... 07:50 it just kind of falls away 07:51 and we keep our focus on Jesus. 07:52 Yvonne: Hmmm... 07:54 James: This is what God is directing us to do 07:55 in order for us to get our names written in that Book. 07:56 Jason: We saw what happened to King Nebuchadnezzar 07:59 with his pride. James: Yes. 08:01 Jason: Yeah, he had a humbling experience. 08:03 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 08:04 James: And it led him to his salvation 08:06 which... I love that how God will do whatever it takes. 08:08 Yvonne: Yes. 08:10 James: You know, and I think one of the things is... 08:11 it's going to be very helpful for God's people 08:13 in the end of time. 08:14 We don't always see it as helpful 08:15 but I think it's going to be helpful... 08:17 is, you know, when the beast powers in Revelation 13... 08:20 the Sea Beast and the Land Beast... 08:22 when those two Powers... they're earthly kingdoms... 08:25 earthly Powers... 08:26 when they make it so you can't buy or sell... 08:28 we're going to go, "Oh no, what are we going to do?" 08:29 Well, I'll tell you what you're going to do... 08:31 you're going to stop wasting your time 08:32 and all the things that you normally waste your time 08:34 buying and selling 08:36 and you're going to have a lot more time to focus on Jesus 08:38 and think upon His name. 08:39 We need to take advantage 08:41 of what the world thinks is a disadvantage. 08:43 Yvonne: Hmmm... 08:45 James: The world thinks... we're going to cripple these guys... 08:46 they're not going to be able to buy or sell... 08:47 and we're like... God's like, 08:49 "Okay, I'm going to use this to your advantage. 08:50 All that stuff that you're involved in... 08:52 all that merchandising stuff that gets in the way, you know, 08:55 where you can't wait till Sabbath's over 08:56 so that you can go... and you're having a hard time... 08:58 all of that... is gone. " 09:00 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 09:01 James: "Now, take that time and focus on Me. " 09:02 It's going to be a blessing in disguise 09:04 and we can use it that way 09:05 so, people... don't be afraid of not being able to buy or sell 09:09 because when that time comes, Jesus' return is very soon 09:12 so, don't worry about, you know, way-down-the-road-type stuff 09:15 now is the time to get focused on the Lord 09:17 and get into the Word of God as you never have before. 09:19 Jason: Hmmm... hmmm... 09:21 Yvonne: Yeah, and I think we will constantly see 09:24 the provision of the Lord during that time 09:26 which will reinforce our faith because He's going to be... 09:29 if you can't buy or sell... 09:31 you're not going to be able to have regular 09:35 you know, amenities... so, the Lord will have to provide that. 09:38 James: Bread and water will be sure. 09:40 Yvonne: Yes... yes... 09:41 James: I might not get all my veggie stuff 09:43 but I'll get bread and water... 09:45 Yvonne: Get some bread and water, there you go. 09:46 James: That will be good... that will be good... 09:48 Yvonne: Amen... amen. 09:49 Ivor: So, if you are... if we pick up on this thought 09:54 in Daniel 12 with the names being written in the Book, 09:58 and if we were to go back... 10:00 the question is, "How do we get our names in the Book?" 10:02 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 10:03 Ivor: Right, if you go back to Daniel 7 verse 8, 10:07 we're going to see this Book brought up again 10:12 so, I wonder if someone can read Daniel 7 verse 8 to verse 10. 10:16 and I'm going to comment... 10:19 so if you read verse 8, just pause for a second, 10:21 I'm going to comment, but go ahead and read. 10:23 Jason: Okay, "I was considering the horns, 10:25 and there was another horn, a little one, 10:27 coming up among them, 10:29 before whom three of the first horns 10:32 were plucked out by the roots. 10:33 And there, in this horn, 10:36 were eyes like the eyes of a man, 10:38 and a mouth speaking pompous words. " 10:40 Ivor: Okay, so, we have you know, identified 10:44 this Little Horn Power in... in last several Programs 10:48 from Daniel 7 onward 10:51 and identified this as the Papacy, 10:53 we have seen that this Little Horn Power 10:56 was to rule for 1260 years during which time 10:59 he would desecrate the sanctuary... 11:02 he would persecute the people of God, etc. 11:04 now, watch these next words, right, 11:07 look at... read verse 9 and just read that first clause. 11:10 Jason: "I watched... " you said, verse 9? 11:13 Ivor: Yes. 11:14 Jason: Okay, "I watched till thrones were put in place... " 11:17 Ivor: Okay, you can pause right there... 11:19 you can pause right there. 11:20 What is he watching? 11:22 James: He's watching this Power that he's just been looking at, 11:25 this Power that's continued for 1260 years. 11:28 Ivor: Absolutely... so he's looking at this Power... 11:31 so, that's what he... 11:33 when he says, "I beheld until I was watching this... " 11:35 until he sees thrones set up. 11:38 God ahead and read that. 11:39 Jason: "And the Ancient of Days was seated; 11:45 his garment was white as snow, 11:48 and the hair of His head was like pure wool. 11:51 His throne was a fiery flame, its wheels a burning fire... " 11:55 Ivor: And you can go ahead and keep reading. 11:58 Jason: Okay, "A fiery stream issued 12:00 and came forth from before Him. 12:03 A thousand thousands ministered to Him; 12:07 ten thousand times ten thousands stood before Him. 12:10 The court was seated, and the books were opened. " 12:14 Ivor: All right, so, here what we have happening... 12:17 this Little Horn is ruling... ruling... ruling... 12:21 Daniel is watching this Little Horn 12:24 and then suddenly his attention goes to heaven 12:29 and what he sees is a judgment scene being set up 12:33 and books are opened, right, 12:38 these are the books... this is the same... 12:40 these are the same books that Daniel 12 12:42 is going to be talking about. 12:43 Everyone whose name is found written in the book, right, 12:47 so, Daniel is setting us up to see... 12:50 "Hey, when I get to Daniel 12, I just want you to understand... 12:53 this judgment... when it is finished, Daniel 12 happens. 12:59 Everyone that is found written in the... 13:01 when the judgment scene is over, 13:03 when Daniel 7's judgment scene is over, 13:05 Daniel 12:1 can happen... that make sense so far? 13:09 James: Yeah. Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 13:10 Ivor: Right, so, what is this judgment scene? 13:13 In fact, if you go to Daniel chapter 8, 13:17 Daniel chapter 8 zooms in on this judgment scene. 13:23 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 13:24 Ivor: Right, this is again describes the actions 13:28 of the Little Horn... 13:30 from verse 11... 13:31 "Yea, he magnified himself to the Prince of the host... 13:34 by him the daily was taken away... 13:36 the place of His sanctuary was cast down... " 13:38 and this is when the angel says that I heard... 13:40 John... I'm sorry, Daniel says, "Then I heard one saint speaking 13:44 and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, 13:47 'How long shall be the vision concerning the daily... 13:50 the transgression of desolation, 13:52 to give both the sanctuary and the host 13:53 to be trodden under foot?' 13:55 And he said unto me, 'Unto two thousand three hundred days; 13:58 then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. '" 14:00 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 14:02 Ivor: Daniel 8 verses 13 and 14 is giving us an amplified... 14:07 it's zooming in on Daniel 7... 14:10 the verses we just read in Daniel 7. 14:13 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 14:14 Ivor: The cleansing of the sanctuary is synonymous 14:18 with the books being opened and the judgment being set. 14:21 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 14:23 Ivor: Okay, so, with that in mind, 14:26 we now have to understand... 14:28 well, what is the cleansing of the sanctuary 14:31 and how does that relate to judgment? 14:34 if we go back to the book of Leviticus, 14:37 we see the process of the Old Testament sanctuary 14:42 and in getting an understanding of that process, 14:45 we get an understanding of what God is talking about 14:48 right, what Daniel is talking about in Daniel 7... 14:52 Daniel 8 and Daniel 12. 14:53 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 14:54 Ivor: In the Old Testament, 14:56 the Old Testament sanctuary Service... 14:59 the first part of that Service was called the "Daily" 15:03 this occurred in the Outer Court and the Holy Place 15:08 and the last part of that Service... 15:10 the Priest would go into the Most Holy Place once a year. 15:14 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 15:16 so, outside of the Most Holy Place 15:18 everything was done daily... 15:19 only once in a year did he go into the Most Holy Place... 15:24 that was called the Day of Atonement. 15:26 So, what does all that mean? 15:28 God was using the sanctuary as an object lesson 15:32 to teach His people about the plan of salvation. 15:35 In the Outer Court, there was the lamb that had to be slain 15:39 in order to attain the forgiveness of sins. 15:44 So, when a person sinned, 15:45 they would put their hand on the head of the animal... 15:49 confess their sins over that animal 15:52 and in essence, they were transferring their sins 15:54 to that innocent animal. 15:55 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 15:57 The animal was killed 15:58 and the blood now containing the record of that person's sin 16:02 was taken into the sanctuary. 16:05 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 16:06 Ivor: The person's sin had been transferred to the sanctuary. 16:10 James: Represented by the blood, yeah. 16:12 Ivor: This happened... absolutely... 16:14 the record was in the blood. 16:15 James: Hmmm... hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm... 16:17 Ivor: Right, the person could go away forgiven, right, 16:21 but that was not the end of the process 16:24 because on the Day of Atonement, 16:27 all the sins that had been piling up in the sanctuary 16:31 were to be cleansed. 16:33 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 16:34 literally sprinkled on the curtain... 16:36 sprinkled on the curtain... 16:37 that's where the record was kept 16:38 between the Holy and the Most Holy Place. 16:40 Ivor: The cleansing... exactly, this represented... 16:44 my name in a sense was brought into the sanctuary 16:48 through the blood. 16:49 James: Right. Yvonne: Hmmm... 16:51 Ivor: Right, the record of my sin 16:52 covered by the blood of Jesus is brought... 16:55 so, my name... my person is in the sanctuary 16:59 through the blood of this Lamb. 17:00 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 17:02 Ivor: Right. James: Right. 17:04 Ivor: So, on the Day of Atonement, 17:06 the priest would cleanse the record of sin. 17:10 Now, think... I don't remember if I've shared this before 17:13 but I'm going to share it again. 17:15 It's... it's... 17:16 the difference between what happened during the year 17:19 and what happened on the Day of Atonement, okay, 17:23 during the year, Peter describes it this way, 17:26 so, Peter says in Acts chapter 2 verse 38, 17:29 "Repent, and be baptized every one of you 17:32 in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins... " 17:35 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 17:36 Ivor: "And he shall receive... 17:37 you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. " 17:39 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 17:40 Ivor: In Acts 3:19, he says, "Repent ye therefore, 17:44 and be converted, 17:45 that your sins may be blotted out, 17:48 when the times of refreshing shall come 17:52 from the presence of the Lord. 17:54 And He shall send Jesus Christ, 17:56 which before was preached unto you. " 17:58 James: Hmmm... 17:59 Ivor: So, one aspect of the ministry of Jesus 18:02 is the remission of sins. 18:03 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 18:05 Ivor: The other aspect is the blotting out of sins. 18:07 James: Hmmm... hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm... 18:08 Ivor: During remission, you're not cured... 18:10 it can always come back. 18:13 James: Right. 18:14 Ivor: When it's blotted out, you're cured. 18:16 James: Hmmm... hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm... 18:18 Ivor: The daily services... when Jesus died on the cross, 18:23 that was the fulfillment of the daily services... 18:25 the Outer Court and the Holy Place. 18:27 Ivor: Jesus is our High Priest 18:29 who has entered into the sanctuary on our behalf... 18:33 we are forgiven of our sins, amen. 18:36 Yvonne: Amen. 18:38 Ivor: But we're only in remission, guys, 18:40 Yvonne: Hmmm... 18:42 Ivor: You understand... we're only in remission. 18:44 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 18:45 Ivor: We can choose to pick up that alcohol bottle again... 18:48 we can choose to go out and smoke again... 18:51 we can choose to pick up our sins again. 18:53 James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm... 18:55 Ivor: The Day of Atonement 18:57 symbolized the final work of Christ 19:00 in blotting sin out so that it never rises again. 19:04 James: Hmmm... 19:06 Ivor: This was the phase in which the priest would go 19:09 from Holy Place to Most Holy Place. 19:12 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 19:13 Ivor: In this final phase of ministry, 19:15 the children of Israel had to be confessing their sins 19:18 and had to be focused on the work of the High Priest 19:21 in the... in the Most Holy Place 19:23 and when he came out 19:24 at the end of the Day of Atonement, 19:26 he would put all the sins he had collected, 19:29 place it on the head of the scapegoat 19:32 and send the scapegoat out into isolation. 19:35 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 19:37 Ivor: Out into a desolate place. 19:39 The sins had then been blotted out 19:41 and you never have to think about them again, 19:43 they would not come to memory anymore. 19:45 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 19:46 Ivor: I think you guys remember the garbage pail analogy 19:48 that I used... the garbage analogy that I used 19:50 many Programs ago, right, 19:52 we put the garbage out in our kitchen... I mean, in our houses 19:56 we put the garbage out night after night. 19:57 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 19:59 Ivor: Our house is clean 20:01 but we still have a memory of the garbage, right? 20:02 Yvonne: Hmmm... James: Hmmm... hmmm... 20:05 Ivor: Because one day of the week 20:07 the day of Garbage Atonement... 20:10 we have to take all the garbage 20:13 and put it out in the front of the house 20:15 where the garbage truck comes 20:17 and takes it out into a desolate place... 20:20 then, we never have to think about the garbage again. 20:23 James: If you live in the city. 20:25 Ivor: If you... All: Laughter. 20:26 Ivor: Yes. 20:28 James: Just a little reminder that if you live in the country, 20:29 you haul it to the dump... that's why I got a truck. 20:33 Ivor: So, that was how the process of salvation worked. 20:37 This is what's happening in a larger scale. 20:39 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 20:40 Ivor: The final phase of Christ's ministry 20:43 is the blotting out of sins where He... 20:45 He moves in a sense from His Holy-Place-Phase of ministry 20:50 to His Most-Holy-Place-Phase of ministry. 20:52 James: Hmmm... 20:54 Ivor: So, a lot of people will often say, 20:55 "Well, does that mean that Jesus was not at the right hand 20:58 of the Father... 20:59 He wasn't in the Most Holy Place when He ascended?" 21:01 Ivor: Well, first of all, when Jesus ascended, 21:03 He went to the right hand of the Father. 21:05 No question about it but the right hand of the Father 21:08 is not a... is not a location... 21:11 James: A literal location... 21:12 Ivor: Right, it's a position of authority. 21:15 James: Exactly. 21:16 Ivor: It's a position of... of closeness... 21:18 this is my right-hand man, right... 21:20 this is not like standing next to the Father and never moving, 21:23 "I'm at the right hand... " no... 21:25 it's a symbol of His closeness to His Father. 21:28 James: Yeah. Yvonne: Hmmm... 21:29 Ivor: So, whether He ascended... He ascends into the Holy Place 21:32 and then moves into the Most Holy... 21:34 He is still at the right hand of God. 21:37 James: Hmmm... hmmm... 21:38 Ivor: Right, what happened in 1844 21:41 is simply that Christ moved from one phase of ministry 21:45 to His final phase of ministry 21:48 which is symbolized by the Most Holy Place 21:51 to wipe away all sins 21:53 so that Daniel 12:1 will happen. 21:56 Those that are found written in the book... 21:58 those who have been confessing their sins... 22:00 those who have been pleading with God, "Blot out my sins... " 22:04 knowing the work He's doing now... 22:06 when this happens and when it's completed 22:08 then, Jesus returns... 22:11 that's how your names are found written in the book. 22:14 James: Yeah, and it's really important, Ivor, 22:16 to just... add to what you're saying, 22:18 Leviticus 16 is the chapter, right? 22:20 That's the chapter that you would want to read 22:22 to understand the Day of Atonement 22:23 and there were two goats... 22:25 there was the Lord's goat and then there was the scapegoat 22:28 you know, it's a lot of terms we use from the Bible 22:32 in our modern language today... 22:33 you know, the term scapegoat... "Don't make me a scapegoat" 22:36 the scapegoat is what you describe 22:39 would bear all those sins out into a land... a desolate land 22:44 and a lot of people think that Adventists believe 22:47 that because the scapegoat represents Satan 22:50 and not the Lord's goat, 22:52 that we think somehow Satan is our atonement 22:56 or involved in our atonement... 22:58 but we need to remember one thing 22:59 and make it very clear. 23:00 Hebrews 9:22 says that Without the shedding of blood, 23:03 there is no remission of sins. 23:05 The scapegoat did not shed its blood. 23:08 Yvonne: Hmmm... 23:09 James: Satan represents or takes responsibility for sin 23:12 but he doesn't die for sin in the sense of shedding blood. 23:15 He doesn't make a sacrifice for sin... 23:17 he doesn't make an atonement for sin... 23:19 he's responsible for it 23:21 and God puts that responsibility back on him... 23:23 that's the symbolism there. 23:24 The Lord's goat is the one who sheds his blood 23:27 and that represents Jesus Christ 23:29 and the only name under heaven whereby men must be saved 23:32 is the name of Jesus Christ, 23:34 there's no other name under heaven... 23:36 I love that verse... 23:37 there's no other name under heaven... 23:38 not your name... not my name... not the Pope's name... 23:41 not... not the priest's name... 23:43 no one else... no one else but the name of Jesus Christ... 23:46 He's the only way we can be saved 23:47 so, Satan is in no way part of our atonement... 23:51 he is simply responsible... 23:52 he's given responsibility 23:54 for every sin he's tempted us to commit. 23:55 Yvonne: Hmmm... 23:57 Ivor: Yeah, and let me add in here, James, 23:58 I want to add in here two things 24:00 because I know people are going to write and say, 24:02 "But wait a minute... the book of Hebrews says... 24:04 Jesus entered into the Most Holy Place. " 24:05 So, I just want to... 24:07 we don't have time to really go through it in detail 24:09 but we can simplify in this way, 24:12 the term for Most Holy Place is used in Hebrews chapter 8... 24:20 James: Nine... Ivor: Nine is it? Nine... 24:22 James: Yeah. 24:23 Ivor: Where Paul describes the articles of furniture 24:26 in the Most Holy Place. James: Yeah. 24:29 Ivor: Every other time... 24:30 and you got to be careful with your translations, 24:33 every other time that the word "sanctuary" is used 24:36 in the book of Hebrews and Jesus and the sanctuary... 24:38 it is referring to either the Holy Place 24:42 or the sanctuary as a whole. 24:45 The book of Hebrews never states 24:47 that Jesus went into the Most Holy Place, 24:50 in fact, the only time Paul speaks about the Most Holy Place 24:53 he then says, 24:54 "of which we cannot speak at this particular time. " 24:57 He literally says, "We're not talking about that right now. 25:01 We need to focus on where Jesus is... " 25:02 and then he goes on to talk about the Holy Place... 25:05 the Holy Place... the Holy Place. 25:06 Some translations translate it as the Most Holy Place... 25:09 it is not translated as that. 25:12 James: Hmmm... hmmm... well, it's not in the Greek. 25:14 Ivor: Not in the Greek, that's what I mean. 25:17 James: Every translation translates somewhere in Hebrews 25:20 Most Holy Place including the New King James... 25:23 the only translation that's faithful to the Greek is 25:25 the good old King James Version... 25:27 the only one... so I tell people, 25:29 "I'm not trying to bash people 25:31 with the King-James-only type of ideology 25:33 but I tell people, "Have a King James Version of the Bible 25:35 in your library... " 25:37 have a King James Version in your library for a Study Bible 25:39 so that you can reference that in relation to other versions 25:42 because most versions of the Bible 25:44 are based on the Nestlé's... the Wesley... 25:46 Westcott... Hort-Westcott... 25:48 not the Textus Receptus 25:50 and they are two different manuscripts 25:51 and you're going to see some major differences between them 25:54 so you need... 25:55 because when you go through Hebrews in the King James, 25:57 the only place, like you said is... is Hebrews 9 and verse 3, 26:00 Paul's argument... 26:02 I know you said you didn't want to get into this 26:04 but I just want to get into it for a little bit. 26:06 Ivor: Get into... get into it. Yvonne: Laughter. 26:08 James: The argument that is made in the book of Hebrews 26:10 is not whether or not Jesus went to the Holy Place 26:12 or the Most Holy Place. 26:14 That's not the argument of the author of Hebrews. 26:16 Ivor: That's right. 26:17 James: His argument is that Jesus went... 26:19 that we're going from the earthly to the heavenly... 26:21 the earthly to the heavenly... the earthly to heavenly, 26:23 he's talking to Hebrews who are like, 26:24 stuck on the earthly sanctuary. 26:26 He's saying, "No, no, no, no, no, 26:27 we're... we're in heaven now 26:29 we're in heaven now, we're in heaven now... 26:31 let me tell you, this earthly sanctuary... 26:32 it was a type of the heavenly and that's where Jesus is... 26:34 that's where Jesus is. " 26:36 If we want to try to use Hebrews... 26:37 Ivor: There was no controversy, 26:39 there was no controversy about, 26:40 "Is He in the Holy or Most Holy?" 26:42 That's not what Paul was addressing. 26:43 James: Yeah, if we want to use Hebrews to argue 26:44 whether He's in the Holy or the Most Holy, 26:46 we can't do it because that was never in the context 26:48 of what is being written here by the author of Hebrews... 26:52 never there... 26:53 so, that's something we really need to clarify when we talk... 26:57 and by the way, the book of Hebrews is key 26:59 to unlocking the sanctuary 27:01 especially for New Testament believers. 27:02 Yvonne: Hmmm... 27:04 Ivor: Yeah, and... and this was the other point 27:05 I was going to make. 27:06 The reason why most people don't understand the sanctuary 27:09 is because of the work of the Little Horn. 27:12 James: Obscuring it. 27:14 Ivor: It's the work of the Little Horn obscuring it 27:16 so, people are like, "What sanctuary... 27:18 what are you talking about? Heavenly temple... 27:20 and the process of salvation... " 27:21 they have no clue... 27:23 and remember the sanctuary was... 27:25 is God's relationship room... 27:27 His At-one-ment room 27:29 so, people aren't understanding or studying the sanctuary 27:32 because it's been... 27:33 it's been just, you know, obscured... 27:37 yeah, the stuff we're saying sounds strange, huh... 27:41 James: It's all through the Bible. 27:43 Ivor: But it's all through the Bible. 27:44 James: Yeah, all the way through... Genesis to Revelation 27:47 sacrificial service... sanctuary... the lamb... 27:49 all the way through to the very end of the Book, 27:52 it's all there... 27:53 "Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary... " 27:55 so, praise God... 27:57 praise God He's given us that. |
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