Participants: Steve Wohlberg (Host), Antionette Duck
Series Code: TAC
Program Code: TAC000012A
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00:08 Is there real hope for real sinners?
00:11 What about those who have had abortions? 00:13 And if so, who does God want to communicate that hope? 00:17 Could it be the church? 00:18 Next on "The Abortion Controversy" 00:50 Welcome back to "The Abortion Controversy" 00:52 This is program #12 of 13. 00:55 I tell you, these are high-powered programs. 00:57 If you have missed the first 11 topics, 01:00 you really need to get the DVD. 01:02 I tell you, this is just high-powered information. 01:05 My guest today, as in the past, is Antionette Duck. 01:08 She is the founder of "Mafgia Ministry" that is 01:12 passionate about helping women who have had abortions 01:17 to find real hope and peace and healing from God. 01:21 So Antionette, again, thank you for being here... Thank you 01:24 I have really been blessed, I've learned a lot, 01:28 and I know you're going to light another fire today. 01:31 So, I want to start with a text since we've talked. Yes 01:35 I know where you're going during this next program, 01:38 and so I think this fits. 01:40 Ecclesiastes 3:7, the Bible says," There is a time 01:44 to keep silence and there is a time to speak..." 01:47 And it is a time to speak about this subject, 01:50 isn't it? Absolutely. 01:52 You know for us, the story of the cross 01:55 is the story of redemption, and this entire issue 02:00 comes back to... we are valuable, we are made in 02:03 the image of the Lord, but at the end of the day, 02:05 He wants relationship with us... 02:07 And so for us, the story of the cross - 02:10 that's what this is really all about. 02:12 The story is where devastation and wreckage meet hope. 02:17 And if we, as the church, are not speaking it, 02:20 where are people going to go, 02:22 who is going to share that truth with them? 02:27 Our desire is that, as individuals and as a church, 02:30 we would embrace this duty, embrace this calling to be 02:35 the voice as we had referred to in the past program, 02:37 crying out in the wilderness about the redemption 02:40 that is available. 02:42 I think though, you know, in my own past experience, 02:47 my own past attitudes, I think as we go forward 02:50 truly sharing the message of redemption with women, 02:54 there is something that we need to... 02:57 we need to come as we are, in terms of saying, 03:01 "I'm broken, you're broken," 03:03 We're all broken and we're all equal at the foot of the cross. 03:06 The story of Rahab has really become quite powerful to me. 03:11 If you think of Rahab's story which, in the past, 03:13 I had not given much thought to, she was a prostitute, 03:16 she was living in Jericho and she hid spies 03:20 when they came, 2 spies, when they came to look over the 03:23 land before the Israelites finally took the city. 03:26 And conquer Jericho and the walls came down. Yes! 03:28 My kids love that story. Yes, so do I. 03:30 Well, she was a prostitute, and when I've heard people 03:34 discuss this story, the conclusion inevitably is 03:40 "take heart friend, because 03:43 the Lord can save even a prostitute." 03:45 And the last time I heard that, I was just struck by it. 03:49 The Lord didn't give us the story of Rahab so that we 03:53 could analyze her as a poor, pathetic creature. 03:57 The Lord gave us the story of Rahab because He says, 04:01 "Look at her, she is a prostitute. 04:04 Look at her choices, look at her life, 04:07 look at the way that I redeemed her. 04:10 I picked her up out of the mire, 04:12 I'm the one who set her on the rock. 04:14 I'm the one who set her free. 04:16 We're given the story of Rahab not so that we can 04:19 congratulate ourselves that we're not like 04:22 that poor, pathetic prostitute because the reality is 04:26 that every single one of us 04:28 have prostituted ourselves to the world. 04:31 Isn't it, "But for the grace of God, there go I." 04:34 Absolutely, "there go I." A famous line. Yes! 04:36 And, we're given her story so that when we, too, 04:42 come to that understanding that we have given ourselves 04:46 away to the world. 04:47 We can look at a story like that; 04:49 we can acknowledge what we've done; 04:51 we can fall on our faces, and say, "Thank you Father," 04:55 because just as you redeemed Rahab, 04:58 I know you can do the same thing for me." 05:01 Well isn't this in the New Testament, 05:03 the story of Mary, Mary Magdalene. 05:05 She was a prostitute too, and Jesus drove 05:07 7 devils our of her and yet He still loved her. 05:10 And then when she came in and washed His feet with her tears, 05:15 that showed that this was a sinner that was 05:20 still loved and saved by grace. Yes! 05:22 And, again, just to give us the context of this whole topic, 05:26 the statistics from what we've learned are somewhere around 05:30 45 million babies are being aborted every year, 05:34 around the world and in America, it's over a million. Yes 05:38 In China, it's 13 million, and so we're not dealing with 05:41 you know, when people go to college, they typically will 05:44 take a minor and a major... 05:46 This is not a minor subject! Right 05:48 And what, again, was the percentage or the statistics 05:53 as far as how many women, approximately in America, 05:56 will have an abortion by the age of 45. 05:59 Didn't you give us something like that a while ago? 06:01 Yes, it's over one-third to one-half of all women 06:05 will have had an abortion by the time she reaches 45. 06:07 So based on that, we're talking almost half of all women. Yes 06:11 So this is a topic that needs to be addressed. Yes, yes 06:15 And I'm so glad you're doing it. Oh, thank you! 06:17 Well, and our desire is that we would be bold, 06:20 we would proclaim the truth boldly, 06:21 but we would always proclaim the truth in love. 06:25 The glory of this story, Rahab, Mary Magdalene, 06:28 is not that the Lord can save even a prostitute, 06:30 even someone who has fallen into sexual sin, 06:33 even a post-abortive woman... 06:34 The glory of the story is that the Lord can save 06:37 even you and me - that is the glory of the cross! 06:41 And when we look at this issue, 06:45 we need to remember the person who struggles with pride 06:48 is just as guilty as the woman who has had an abortion. 06:51 The person who indulges in anger is just as guilty 06:54 as the woman who has had an abortion. 06:56 The person who secretly covets is just as guilty 06:59 as the woman who has had an abortion. 07:00 Moreover, the men who stood aside and abandoned their 07:05 wives, daughters, girlfriends, sisters, 07:08 they're just as guilty as the woman who engaged in the act. 07:11 All of our righteousness is like filthy rags. 07:15 We are equal before the foot of the cross. 07:19 The reason that when He looks on us and He sees 07:22 righteousness, is because of His Son. 07:25 It's absolutely glorious! 07:27 It's because of Jesus and His grace. Yes! 07:28 And as you say... guilty of abortion, 07:30 we have established, I think pretty clearly, 07:33 biblically and scientifically that a fetus is a person, 07:36 and we've looked at the Ten Commandments, 07:38 we've looked at the 6th Commandment, 07:40 "Do not kill," and it's pretty clear to us, based on our study, 07:43 that the abortion issue is really a sin issue. 07:47 There is a violation of the 6th Commandment going on. 07:50 But once we put it in that category which we need to do 07:53 because we've got to be clear on this issue. 07:54 If we're not clear on this, how can we reach out 07:57 redemptively to those who have sinned, 07:59 so when we are clear on this issue, then we also need to be 08:02 equally clear, even more clear of, 08:05 I think the text is in 1 Timothy that Jesus Christ 08:07 came into the world to save sinners. Yes 08:10 Paul said, "... of whom I am chief." 08:11 And so we see the sin issue, but then we see the Son issue, 08:14 and that Jesus... there is no sin that He can't forgive, 08:17 and we've got to reach out, we've got to be clear, 08:20 and we've got to have the arms of love to reach out 08:23 because we're all sinners and it's just, you know, 08:25 one sinner leading another sinner to where they can bread, 08:28 and that's another famous line. Yes 08:31 And the bread - Jesus is the bread of life who loves us all. 08:34 Absolutely, absolutely! 08:35 Well, and I really like that you brought up the 08:38 statistic again of how many women are actually affected 08:41 by this issue because, again, every single time I've spoken 08:45 about it and since Dianne has come on board to be a part of 08:48 the ministry, every time that we've ministered together 08:51 we meet women who are post-abortive, 08:54 that is in the church and it's outside of the church; 08:57 there is no difference. 08:59 The number of women who are being affected, 09:02 the number of lives that are being wrecked, 09:04 it's the same. 09:06 What's amazing - I praise the Lord from the moment I 09:11 met Dianne, she left an anonymous note on 09:14 my exhibit table - I began praying for this woman 09:17 that the Lord would set her free. 09:18 So you didn't actually talk together when she first 09:20 saw your booth? We did, we did talk, 09:22 but she came back and left a note, but didn't sign it. 09:25 But I just put the two together, I remembered who she was, 09:28 and a couple of weeks later had written to 09:29 she and her husband to follow up and thank her 09:31 for trusting me with just a little bit of her story. 09:34 And that was just about 4 years ago, right? In 2011 09:36 And she said in our last program that she suffered for 09:40 30 years dealing with the guilt of what she had done 09:44 when she was 25. 09:46 Yes and that's a tragedy. 09:48 It's a tragedy and what's so remarkable is the way that 09:51 now when she speaks and when she shares, 09:54 she is literally a victory banner that waves 09:58 because what the enemy intended for totally destruction, 10:01 the Lord has said, "No more, and not this time, I redeem." 10:06 And we sin and we need a Savior, but we serve a God 10:11 of redemption and that's what she is now, she is the most 10:14 magnificent testimony to the redemptive power of the Lord. 10:18 But we can't fail to remember though and that's why I'm so 10:21 glad you brought up that statistic, is that there are 10:23 thousands upon thousands of women who are just like 10:27 Dianne was - they are treading water, they are barely 10:30 surviving - they are desperate to believe in the dark 10:33 watches of the night that the grace of the Lord 10:36 really is sufficient for them. 10:38 And there's more than thousands, there are millions! 10:42 Yeah, millions around the world certainly! 10:45 And for the church, we need to understand these women 10:50 fill our pews every weekend. 10:52 They're not just out there in the world, they are very close. 10:56 They are right next to us. 10:57 And they've buried this guilt way down inside. Yes 11:02 And unless somebody talks about it like you did 11:05 at the booth and then Dianne saw you and came to your booth, 11:10 and left that note and that started all of this which led 11:13 to her being here and her testimony. 11:16 If you would not have been there talking about it, 11:18 this never would have happened. 11:20 Well, by the grace of the Lord. 11:22 I mean, I'm a sinner saved by grace, 11:24 and the Lord has given me a story to tell. 11:26 He is using you. Well, praise the Lord! 11:29 Yes, and I think He wants to use story after story 11:32 after story to add one to another to testify to His 11:35 redeeming love. 11:37 What I hope that, through this series, we've established is 11:40 that as we embrace our duty, as we embrace this calling to 11:44 to be a conduit, a vessel through which the redemptive 11:48 grace of the Lord can flow... meaning this message of 11:51 redemption, this message of healing can go out. 11:54 I hope that we can see that speaking about the sanctity 11:58 of life, the value of the unborn, the value of the woman, 12:02 the sanctity of life because we're made in the image of God; 12:05 I hope people see that it does not condemn, it doesn't shame 12:10 post-abortive men and women. 12:12 What we're doing is we are inviting people to accept 12:15 this truth, that the unborn child was intrinsically 12:20 valuable, that this woman, this man who were part of this 12:24 abortion experience, they too are intrinsically valuable. 12:28 And still are... And, yes and though they've 12:31 done what cannot be undone, just like we have done 12:35 what cannot be undone, a Savior waits... 12:38 He's offering joy, healing, freedom beyond their 12:42 wildest imaginations. 12:44 Right, you know I want to inject in here... Sure 12:47 It seems to me as I've studied this and thought about this, 12:50 getting ready for these programs, 12:51 one thing that really hit me is the fact that whenever 12:55 God, historically, is about to do something, 12:58 or at least we have 2 examples of Him about to do something 13:01 BIG, then the devil hits and kills children. 13:06 The exodus - when God was getting ready to bring 13:09 Israel out of Egypt, Moses was about to be born, 13:12 getting ready to give the Ten Commandments 13:14 when Israel came out of Egypt and the establishment of 13:16 Israel as a nation, His nation in Egypt, the devil 13:21 motivated Pharaoh to pass a law to kill all the 13:25 baby boys of the Israelites, and Moses escaped. 13:30 But you see the devil killing the kids and then Moses 13:33 escaping because of God. 13:34 The same thing happened in the New Testament... 13:35 When Jesus was born and the greatest event about the happen, 13:38 was the plan of salvation was coming to fruition, 13:42 Herod sent his soldiers to kill all the babies in 13:47 Bethlehem that were under 2 years old, 13:49 that we call "the slaughter of the innocents." 13:51 So with the exodus and with the birth of Christ, 13:54 you see the devil at war with children. Yes 13:58 And I believe that in these last days, 14:01 the devil is going to do the same thing. 14:03 Who knows - all these millions of babies, who knows 14:06 how many of them God had planned or wanted them 14:09 to do some incredible work for Him. 14:12 And the devil, he is at war, he is killing kids who are born, 14:18 and who aren't born and we are in the middle of a 14:20 great controversy and it is time just to speak, 14:23 it is time for the church to rise up and to be God's 14:26 redemptive voice in the middle of this terrible crisis 14:31 And to help, to heal and to save. Yes 14:34 And if we refuse, if we choose to stay silent, 14:40 if we refuse to lead people to the light 14:43 either as individuals or as the church either by our 14:46 silence - just not talking about it or by our apathy 14:50 because it's just too much to deal with, 14:53 we are going to be a hindrance to people finding freedom 14:57 and forgiveness to the very people 15:00 who so desperately need it. 15:02 It's absolutely phenomenal the call that we've been given 15:05 as believers to lead other people to the light; 15:08 moreover, for women like Dianne who were so keenly aware 15:13 of the sin, she didn't really need to be told it was sin, 15:17 she knew; she was burned with guilt, burned with shame. 15:19 But, for someone like her, what was silence 15:23 really telling her? 15:25 They know that grace and redemption - it's available 15:28 for the thief, for the adulterer, for the bank robber, 15:33 but what about someone who has taken the life of their child? 15:36 Is redemption available for me too? 15:38 And if we stay silent, aren't we missing something that's so 15:42 incredibly important? 15:44 Our silence is cold, it's hard, it's unforgiving... 15:47 And the Lord said, "Be a light that sets the captive free." 15:51 And you know, we can also mess up by not seeing it 15:54 as a sin in the first place. Yes 15:57 As seeing it being just the exercise of the woman's 15:59 free choice which we will support. Yes 16:03 If we see it that way, then we don't understand 16:06 that it's a sin issue... we don't see the guilt, 16:08 we don't see the pain and we're out to lunch - really, 16:13 if we don't understand the reality of the issue 16:17 in light of Scripture and the Ten Commandments, 16:19 and the cross of Jesus Christ. 16:21 Yes... through us the Lord is literally extending His hand. 16:25 He is literally extending His hand so that people 16:28 can know they have been wonderfully gloriously redeemed. 16:32 And so when the enemy comes against them, 16:35 when he sits at their shoulder, and he's accusing, 16:38 and he's mocking, and he is condemning, 16:40 and you can literally feel the roar rising in your ears 16:43 because all you can hear are his words of condemnation, 16:46 women who have confessed this surrender to the Lord, 16:50 they can turn to him and say, "I've been redeemed, 16:53 I have been redeemed!" 16:56 We're not redeemed because we've never sinned. 17:00 We're not redeemed because we've done nothing wrong. 17:02 We're not redeemed because we've always been obedient. 17:05 Because we're good enough... Exactly! 17:08 We're redeemed because we're covered by the blood, 17:10 and all we need know is the answer to that question... 17:14 "Have I been redeemed?" As people who have 17:17 accepted the free gift of forgiveness who say, 17:20 "I stand on Your promise of forgiveness 17:23 and Your promise alone." 17:24 Praise the Lord, we can say, 17:26 "Yes, we have been redeemed." Wow, That's powerful. 17:29 You need to just keep on keeping on Antionette, 17:32 and keep on doing what you are doing, 17:34 and I'm thrilled that "White Horse Media" 17:35 has a part in giving you a voice, and Dianne a voice, 17:40 in as wide a sphere as possible of redemption. Praise the Lord! 17:44 It also reminds me of Jonah. 17:47 Jonah had a call from God to go to Nineveh 17:50 and do a mission and he went the other way. 17:52 He sinned, he didn't want to do what God wanted him to do, 17:55 and then the whole story eventually got swallowed 17:57 by a fish, and I really like the fact at the end 17:59 of the 3 days in the darkness, the slime of the whale's body, 18:06 then it says in Jonah 2, I believe it is, 18:09 that the whale or the fish spit him out, 18:14 and when he got back on the land, he probably looked 18:16 horrible... I mean, you know, his skin was white, 18:18 he hadn't seen the sun. 18:20 And then it says that "The word of the Lord 18:22 came to Jonah a second time, and He said, 18:25 "Rise, go to Nineveh," and so that shows that 18:28 even though we've sinned, and there are so many 18:30 examples in the Bible, even though we've sinned 18:32 that God still loves us, He still calls us, 18:35 and we want that message to go out. Absolutely! 18:38 That no matter how much we've sinned, 18:40 Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners 18:43 Paul said, "of whom I am chief." 18:46 And he was killing Christians! 18:48 Not just, you know, we're not even talking about with him, 18:51 the unborn, he was killing grown up Christians, 18:54 or at least leading to their death. 18:56 And the Lord knocked him down, turned him around, 18:58 and said, "Go and be My ambassador." 19:00 Yes, yes he did. I love that you bring up 19:02 the story of Jonah... you know Psalm 107 has 19:05 become one of my favorite chapters because it expresses 19:11 people messing up, making mistakes, and yet 19:15 crying out to the Lord, and the Lord coming for them. 19:19 I would love to read this passage just very briefly, 19:23 Psalm 107:10- I'll start at verse 10. 19:30 "Those who sat in darkness in the shadow of death, 19:33 bound in affliction and irons because they rebelled against 19:36 the words of God and despised the counsel of the Most High, 19:40 Therefore He brought down their heart with labor; 19:42 They fell down and there was none to help. 19:45 Then they cried out to the Lord in their trouble, 19:47 And He saved them out of their distresses. 19:50 He brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death, 19:54 And broke their chains in pieces. 19:56 Oh that men would give thanks to the Lord for His goodness." 20:00 ... And women. AMEN and women! And for His wonderful 20:03 works to the children of men for He has broken the gates 20:05 of bronze and cut the bars of iron in two." 20:08 That is a promise to us that though we have sinned; 20:13 though we've run from the Lord; though we've just messed up, 20:17 we can cry out to Him again, and again, and again, 20:20 and He will come for us... That's what He does! 20:23 He comes, He rescues, He redeems, He restores! 20:27 Here's another text that just came to me... 20:29 Psalm 40:1, "I waited patiently for the Lord, 20:32 and He inclined to me, He heard my cry. 20:34 He also brought me up out of the horrible pit, 20:37 out of the miry clay and He set my feet upon a rock. 20:40 He established my steps. 20:42 He put a new song in my mouth. Praise to our God! 20:44 Many will see it and fear, and will trust in the Lord." 20:47 Amen! Praise God! Amen! 20:49 And the story of Peter, I think as well, 20:52 is also so powerful here for me in my own journey 20:57 of running from the Lord and coming back. 21:00 As I was coming back to the Lord, 21:02 surrendering my life back to Him, 21:04 I heard a sermon on the story on Peter, 21:07 and you think about Peter... 21:08 He was sort of like a forest that was larger than life. 21:11 He was fierce; he was courageous, he was bold, 21:17 and he literally was right next to the Lord. 21:21 He looked in His face; he ate next to Him; 21:23 he slept beside Him; he interacted with Him 21:27 for 3 years; he literally breathed in His air, 21:31 and the Lord told him, "Peter, you're going to deny Me." 21:34 And what did he say... "I will never 21:35 deny you, I'll never deny you." 21:37 And what happened? He denied the Lord. 21:40 He broke His heart, and yet the Lord brought 21:45 him back! 21:46 What was so significant about 21:49 Peter's story is that he was broken. 21:52 He was completely broken before the Lord. 21:55 "He wept bitterly," the Word says. 21:58 And it was after having been broken that Peter 22:02 truly became useful. 22:04 Yeah, and you know, I think what really hit Peter 22:08 was after the resurrection that the angel told, 22:13 I think it was one of the women, 22:14 "Go tell the disciples and tell 22:17 Peter that He is going to meet you in Galilee." 22:21 And when Peter heard that, that the angel mentioned 22:24 his name... that Jesus still loves him personally. Wow! 22:30 That really broke him down. Yes! 22:34 And for us, you know, we look at the things in our lives 22:38 that we've done that are shameful that we never 22:41 should have done - that grieved the Lord's heart. 22:43 And I heard an example, I heard an example given 22:48 about stained glass. 22:50 Stained glass, when we look at it, it is so beautiful, 22:53 and we look at pictures of stained glass; 22:55 you walk through churches and see the stained glass, 22:57 and you're just in awe of the beauty there. 22:59 The way that they make stained glass is they break up glass, 23:03 and they fit it back together, and when the light 23:06 shines through, it shines through the broken places, 23:10 and that is why the stained glass is beautiful. 23:13 That is what the Lord does, He redeems and He restores. 23:17 He takes our brokenness; He takes our mistakes; 23:20 He takes our past and He fits it together to weave a story 23:24 that He is telling if we will submit to Him. 23:27 Wow - yeah, it's amazing, and we're all broken. 23:30 We all have a past and if we don't realize it, 23:32 then our eyes aren't really open to see the significance 23:36 of our own sin, the seriousness 23:37 of our own sin and our need for Jesus, 23:39 and I mean this is just powerful information. 23:42 You know, we just so often, like we've talked about, 23:46 this is a topic that we just bury, that women bury, 23:50 and that men bury too because, as you've mentioned, 23:52 men are involved; it's not just a woman's issue, 23:56 it's a men issue too, and there needs to be 24:00 a voice in the wilderness talking about this. 24:05 And what we hope, is that people will... 24:07 that we'll just see as a people, not just post-abortive, 24:10 but everyone that... 24:12 You know in Hebrews 12:2, it says that, 24:15 "For the joy that was set before Him, Jesus endured the cross." 24:18 Well, what was that joy? It was us! 24:22 He literally looked down through the ages and He saw our need. 24:26 He saw our brokenness. 24:27 He anticipated how much we would need Him, 24:30 and He said, "I'm not going to leave you alone, 24:33 I'm going to come for you." 24:35 And He didn't just anticipate our need... 24:38 He anticipated our redemption. 24:41 He knew that I would need Him. 24:43 He knew that I would need to be redeemed. 24:45 He knew that Dianne would need Him. 24:46 He knew that Dianne would need to be redeemed. 24:48 He literally anticipated our redemption, 24:51 and He stretched out His arms and said, "For you, 24:54 I'm not coming down," and He held on to the cross 24:58 though we broke His heart, so that He could be reconciled 25:01 to us, we could be reconciled to Him. 25:04 That's absolutely phenomenal. Wow, wow... 25:06 And one last thing, in Romans 8:28-29, it says, 25:13 "All things work together for good to those who love the God 25:15 and are called according to His purpose." 25:17 For whom He foreknew, He predestined to conform 25:21 to the image of His Son. 25:22 That "all" there, there is no qualifier... 25:27 "All things work together for good." 25:29 That "all" isn't just sugar and sweetness, all the nice 25:32 things you've done and it's not just all the bad things 25:36 that have been done to you... 25:37 It will all work together for good. 25:39 He says, "All things work together for good 25:42 to those who love God and are called 25:43 according to His purpose." 25:45 That means your past; it means your fumblings; 25:48 it means your failures; it means your mistakes. 25:50 And your sins... AND your sins! 25:52 Working together to the glory of God. 25:55 Now are we to walk according to the light we've been given? 25:58 Absolutely! 26:00 Does that just mean we're supposed to sin? 26:02 No, not at all, but we serve a God 26:05 who is sovereign. 26:06 There's a reason He promises 26:08 to restore what the locusts have eaten. 26:10 There is a reason He promises to give beauty for ashes. 26:13 What there something you wanted to say? 26:16 I'm just... There's so much we both would like to say. 26:20 Okay... But I do want to say, 26:22 we're just about out of time. 26:24 So, I want to finish with this Bible verse 26:27 that just is an appeal to the church. 26:29 This is Romans 10:14, Paul wrote, 26:33 "How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? 26:37 How shall they believe in Him in whom they have not heard? 26:40 How shall they hear without a preacher? 26:41 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? 26:45 As it is written, how beautiful are the feet of those 26:49 who preach the gospel of peace 26:51 and who bring glad tidings of good news." 26:56 This is not the time for God's 26:59 church to be silent on this issue. 27:01 There is a time to be a silent, and a time to speak. 27:03 This is the time for God's people to speak. 27:06 This is the work of the church. 27:08 It's part of the work of the church. 27:09 It embraces the work of the church. 27:12 And there's an old hymn that says something like... 27:14 "Rise up oh church of God 27:16 and take a stand for Jesus in these last days." 27:20 May God help us to be faithful to this calling. 27:24 Dianne Wagner shares her life-changing story 27:27 in today's free offer... 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