Abortion Controversy, The

Healing From Abortion -part 2

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Participants: Steve Wohlberg (Host), Antionette Duck

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00:08 Is there real hope for real sinners?
00:11 What about those who have had abortions?
00:13 And if so, who does God want to communicate that hope?
00:17 Could it be the church?
00:18 Next on "The Abortion Controversy"
00:50 Welcome back to "The Abortion Controversy"
00:52 This is program #12 of 13.
00:55 I tell you, these are high-powered programs.
00:58 If you have missed the first 11 topics,
01:00 you really need to get the DVD.
01:02 I tell you, this is just high-powered information.
01:05 My guest today, as in the past, is Antionette Duck.
01:08 She is the founder of "Mafgia Ministry" that is
01:12 passionate about helping women who have had abortions
01:17 to find real hope and peace and healing from God.
01:21 So Antionette, again, thank you for being here... Thank you
01:24 I have really been blessed, I've learned a lot,
01:28 and I know you're going to light another fire today.
01:31 So, I want to start with a text since we've talked. Yes
01:35 I know where you're going during this next program,
01:38 and so I think this fits.
01:40 Ecclesiastes 3:7, the Bible says," There is a time
01:44 to keep silence and there is a time to speak..."
01:47 And it is a time to speak about this subject,
01:50 isn't it? Absolutely.
01:52 You know for us, the story of the cross
01:55 is the story of redemption, and this entire issue
02:00 comes back to... we are valuable, we are made in
02:03 the image of the Lord, but at the end of the day,
02:05 He wants relationship with us...
02:07 And so for us, the story of the cross -
02:10 that's what this is really all about.
02:12 The story is where devastation and wreckage meet hope.
02:17 And if we, as the church, are not speaking it,
02:20 where are people going to go,
02:22 who is going to share that truth with them?
02:27 Our desire is that, as individuals and as a church,
02:30 we would embrace this duty, embrace this calling to be
02:35 the voice as we had referred to in the past program,
02:37 crying out in the wilderness about the redemption
02:40 that is available.
02:43 I think though, you know, in my own past experience,
02:47 my own past attitudes, I think as we go forward
02:50 truly sharing the message of redemption with women,
02:54 there is something that we need to...
02:57 we need to come as we are, in terms of saying,
03:01 "I'm broken, you're broken,"
03:03 We're all broken and we're all equal at the foot of the cross.
03:06 The story of Rahab has really become quite powerful to me.
03:11 If you think of Rahab's story which, in the past,
03:13 I had not given much thought to, she was a prostitute,
03:16 she was living in Jericho and she hid spies
03:20 when they came, 2 spies, when they came to look over the
03:23 land before the Israelites finally took the city.
03:26 And conquer Jericho and the walls came down. Yes!
03:28 My kids love that story. Yes, so do I.
03:30 Well, she was a prostitute, and when I've heard people
03:34 discuss this story, the conclusion inevitably is
03:40 "take heart friend, because
03:43 the Lord can save even a prostitute."
03:45 And the last time I heard that, I was just struck by it.
03:49 The Lord didn't give us the story of Rahab so that we
03:53 could analyze her as a poor, pathetic creature.
03:57 The Lord gave us the story of Rahab because He says,
04:01 "Look at her, she is a prostitute.
04:04 Look at her choices, look at her life,
04:07 look at the way that I redeemed her.
04:10 I picked her up out of the mire,
04:12 I'm the one who set her on the rock.
04:14 I'm the one who set her free.
04:16 We're given the story of Rahab not so that we can
04:19 congratulate ourselves that we're not like
04:22 that poor, pathetic prostitute because the reality is
04:26 that every single one of us
04:28 have prostituted ourselves to the world.
04:31 Isn't it, "But for the grace of God, there go I."
04:34 Absolutely, "there go I." A famous line. Yes!
04:36 And, we're given her story so that when we, too,
04:42 come to that understanding that we have given ourselves
04:46 away to the world.
04:48 We can look at a story like that;
04:49 we can acknowledge what we've done;
04:51 we can fall on our faces, and say, "Thank you Father,"
04:55 because just as you redeemed Rahab,
04:58 I know you can do the same thing for me."
05:01 Well isn't this in the New Testament,
05:03 the story of Mary, Mary Magdalene.
05:05 She was a prostitute too, and Jesus drove
05:07 7 devils our of her and yet He still loved her.
05:10 And then when she came in and washed His feet with her tears,
05:15 that showed that this was a sinner that was
05:20 still loved and saved by grace. Yes!
05:22 And, again, just to give us the context of this whole topic,
05:26 the statistics from what we've learned are somewhere around
05:30 45 million babies are being aborted every year,
05:34 around the world and in America, it's over a million. Yes
05:38 In China, it's 13 million, and so we're not dealing with
05:41 you know, when people go to college, they typically will
05:44 take a minor and a major...
05:46 This is not a minor subject! Right
05:48 And what, again, was the percentage or the statistics
05:53 as far as how many women, approximately in America,
05:56 will have an abortion by the age of 45.
05:59 Didn't you give us something like that a while ago?
06:01 Yes, it's over one-third to one-half of all women
06:05 will have had an abortion by the time she reaches 45.
06:07 So based on that, we're talking almost half of all women. Yes
06:11 So this is a topic that needs to be addressed. Yes, yes
06:15 And I'm so glad you're doing it. Oh, thank you!
06:17 Well, and our desire is that we would be bold,
06:20 we would proclaim the truth boldly,
06:22 but we would always proclaim the truth in love.
06:25 The glory of this story, Rahab, Mary Magdalene,
06:28 is not that the Lord can save even a prostitute,
06:30 even someone who has fallen into sexual sin,
06:33 even a post-abortive woman...
06:35 The glory of the story is that the Lord can save
06:37 even you and me - that is the glory of the cross!
06:41 And when we look at this issue,
06:45 we need to remember the person who struggles with pride
06:48 is just as guilty as the woman who has had an abortion.
06:51 The person who indulges in anger is just as guilty
06:54 as the woman who has had an abortion.
06:56 The person who secretly covets is just as guilty
06:59 as the woman who has had an abortion.
07:00 Moreover, the men who stood aside and abandoned their
07:05 wives, daughters, girlfriends, sisters,
07:08 they're just as guilty as the woman who engaged in the act.
07:11 All of our righteousness is like filthy rags.
07:15 We are equal before the foot of the cross.
07:19 The reason that when He looks on us and He sees
07:22 righteousness, is because of His Son.
07:25 It's absolutely glorious!
07:27 It's because of Jesus and His grace. Yes!
07:28 And as you say... guilty of abortion,
07:30 we have established, I think pretty clearly,
07:33 biblically and scientifically that a fetus is a person,
07:36 and we've looked at the Ten Commandments,
07:38 we've looked at the 6th Commandment,
07:40 "Do not kill," and it's pretty clear to us, based on our study,
07:43 that the abortion issue is really a sin issue.
07:47 There is a violation of the 6th Commandment going on.
07:50 But once we put it in that category which we need to do
07:53 because we've got to be clear on this issue.
07:54 If we're not clear on this, how can we reach out
07:57 redemptively to those who have sinned,
07:59 so when we are clear on this issue, then we also need to be
08:02 equally clear, even more clear of,
08:05 I think the text is in 1 Timothy that Jesus Christ
08:07 came into the world to save sinners. Yes
08:10 Paul said, "... of whom I am chief."
08:11 And so we see the sin issue, but then we see the Son issue,
08:14 and that Jesus... there is no sin that He can't forgive,
08:17 and we've got to reach out, we've got to be clear,
08:20 and we've got to have the arms of love to reach out
08:23 because we're all sinners and it's just, you know,
08:25 one sinner leading another sinner to where they can bread,
08:28 and that's another famous line. Yes
08:31 And the bread - Jesus is the bread of life who loves us all.
08:34 Absolutely, absolutely!
08:35 Well, and I really like that you brought up the
08:38 statistic again of how many women are actually affected
08:41 by this issue because, again, every single time I've spoken
08:45 about it and since Dianne has come on board to be a part of
08:48 the ministry, every time that we've ministered together
08:51 we meet women who are post-abortive,
08:54 that is in the church and it's outside of the church;
08:57 there is no difference.
08:59 The number of women who are being affected,
09:02 the number of lives that are being wrecked,
09:04 it's the same.
09:06 What's amazing - I praise the Lord from the moment I
09:11 met Dianne, she left an anonymous note on
09:14 my exhibit table - I began praying for this woman
09:17 that the Lord would set her free.
09:18 So you didn't actually talk together when she first
09:20 saw your booth? We did, we did talk,
09:22 but she came back and left a note, but didn't sign it.
09:25 But I just put the two together, I remembered who she was,
09:28 and a couple of weeks later had written to
09:29 she and her husband to follow up and thank her
09:31 for trusting me with just a little bit of her story.
09:34 And that was just about 4 years ago, right? In 2011
09:36 And she said in our last program that she suffered for
09:40 30 years dealing with the guilt of what she had done
09:44 when she was 25.
09:46 Yes and that's a tragedy.
09:48 It's a tragedy and what's so remarkable is the way that
09:51 now when she speaks and when she shares,
09:54 she is literally a victory banner that waves
09:58 because what the enemy intended for totally destruction,
10:01 the Lord has said, "No more, and not this time, I redeem."
10:06 And we sin and we need a Savior, but we serve a God
10:11 of redemption and that's what she is now, she is the most
10:14 magnificent testimony to the redemptive power of the Lord.
10:18 But we can't fail to remember though and that's why I'm so
10:21 glad you brought up that statistic, is that there are
10:23 thousands upon thousands of women who are just like
10:27 Dianne was - they are treading water, they are barely
10:30 surviving - they are desperate to believe in the dark
10:33 watches of the night that the grace of the Lord
10:36 really is sufficient for them.
10:38 And there's more than thousands, there are millions!
10:42 Yeah, millions around the world certainly!
10:45 And for the church, we need to understand these women
10:50 fill our pews every weekend.
10:52 They're not just out there in the world, they are very close.
10:56 They are right next to us.
10:57 And they've buried this guilt way down inside. Yes
11:02 And unless somebody talks about it like you did
11:05 at the booth and then Dianne saw you and came to your booth,
11:10 and left that note and that started all of this which led
11:13 to her being here and her testimony.
11:16 If you would not have been there talking about it,
11:18 this never would have happened.
11:20 Well, by the grace of the Lord.
11:22 I mean, I'm a sinner saved by grace,
11:24 and the Lord has given me a story to tell.
11:26 He is using you. Well, praise the Lord!
11:29 Yes, and I think He wants to use story after story
11:32 after story to add one to another to testify to His
11:35 redeeming love.
11:37 What I hope that, through this series, we've established is
11:41 that as we embrace our duty, as we embrace this calling to
11:44 to be a conduit, a vessel through which the redemptive
11:48 grace of the Lord can flow... meaning this message of
11:51 redemption, this message of healing can go out.
11:54 I hope that we can see that speaking about the sanctity
11:58 of life, the value of the unborn, the value of the woman,
12:02 the sanctity of life because we're made in the image of God;
12:05 I hope people see that it does not condemn, it doesn't shame
12:10 post-abortive men and women.
12:12 What we're doing is we are inviting people to accept
12:15 this truth, that the unborn child was intrinsically
12:20 valuable, that this woman, this man who were part of this
12:24 abortion experience, they too are intrinsically valuable.
12:28 And still are... And, yes and though they've
12:31 done what cannot be undone, just like we have done
12:35 what cannot be undone, a Savior waits...
12:38 He's offering joy, healing, freedom beyond their
12:42 wildest imaginations.
12:44 Right, you know I want to inject in here... Sure
12:47 It seems to me as I've studied this and thought about this,
12:50 getting ready for these programs,
12:51 one thing that really hit me is the fact that whenever
12:55 God, historically, is about to do something,
12:59 or at least we have 2 examples of Him about to do something
13:01 BIG, then the devil hits and kills children.
13:06 The exodus - when God was getting ready to bring
13:09 Israel out of Egypt, Moses was about to be born,
13:12 getting ready to give the Ten Commandments
13:14 when Israel came out of Egypt and the establishment of
13:16 Israel as a nation, His nation in Egypt, the devil
13:21 motivated Pharaoh to pass a law to kill all the
13:25 baby boys of the Israelites, and Moses escaped.
13:30 But you see the devil killing the kids and then Moses
13:33 escaping because of God.
13:34 The same thing happened in the New Testament...
13:36 When Jesus was born and the greatest event about the happen,
13:38 was the plan of salvation was coming to fruition,
13:42 Herod sent his soldiers to kill all the babies in
13:48 Bethlehem that were under 2 years old,
13:49 that we call "the slaughter of the innocents."
13:51 So with the exodus and with the birth of Christ,
13:54 you see the devil at war with children. Yes
13:58 And I believe that in these last days,
14:01 the devil is going to do the same thing.
14:03 Who knows - all these millions of babies, who knows
14:06 how many of them God had planned or wanted them
14:09 to do some incredible work for Him.
14:12 And the devil, he is at war, he is killing kids who are born,
14:18 and who aren't born and we are in the middle of a
14:20 great controversy and it is time just to speak,
14:23 it is time for the church to rise up and to be God's
14:26 redemptive voice in the middle of this terrible crisis
14:31 And to help, to heal and to save. Yes
14:34 And if we refuse, if we choose to stay silent,
14:40 if we refuse to lead people to the light
14:43 either as individuals or as the church either by our
14:46 silence - just not talking about it or by our apathy
14:51 because it's just too much to deal with,
14:53 we are going to be a hindrance to people finding freedom
14:57 and forgiveness to the very people
15:00 who so desperately need it.
15:02 It's absolutely phenomenal the call that we've been given
15:05 as believers to lead other people to the light;
15:08 moreover, for women like Dianne who were so keenly aware
15:13 of the sin, she didn't really need to be told it was sin,
15:17 she knew; she was burned with guilt, burned with shame.
15:19 But, for someone like her, what was silence
15:23 really telling her?
15:25 They know that grace and redemption - it's available
15:28 for the thief, for the adulterer, for the bank robber,
15:33 but what about someone who has taken the life of their child?
15:36 Is redemption available for me too?
15:38 And if we stay silent, aren't we missing something that's so
15:42 incredibly important?
15:44 Our silence is cold, it's hard, it's unforgiving...
15:47 And the Lord said, "Be a light that sets the captive free."
15:51 And you know, we can also mess up by not seeing it
15:54 as a sin in the first place. Yes
15:57 As seeing it being just the exercise of the woman's
15:59 free choice which we will support. Yes
16:03 If we see it that way, then we don't understand
16:06 that it's a sin issue... we don't see the guilt,
16:08 we don't see the pain and we're out to lunch - really,
16:13 if we don't understand the reality of the issue
16:17 in light of Scripture and the Ten Commandments,
16:19 and the cross of Jesus Christ.
16:21 Yes... through us the Lord is literally extending His hand.
16:25 He is literally extending His hand so that people
16:28 can know they have been wonderfully gloriously redeemed.
16:32 And so when the enemy comes against them,
16:35 when he sits at their shoulder, and he's accusing,
16:38 and he's mocking, and he is condemning,
16:40 and you can literally feel the roar rising in your ears
16:43 because all you can hear are his words of condemnation,
16:46 women who have confessed this surrender to the Lord,
16:50 they can turn to him and say, "I've been redeemed,
16:54 I have been redeemed!"
16:56 We're not redeemed because we've never sinned.
17:00 We're not redeemed because we've done nothing wrong.
17:02 We're not redeemed because we've always been obedient.
17:05 Because we're good enough... Exactly!
17:08 We're redeemed because we're covered by the blood,
17:10 and all we need know is the answer to that question...
17:14 "Have I been redeemed?" As people who have
17:17 accepted the free gift of forgiveness who say,
17:20 "I stand on Your promise of forgiveness
17:23 and Your promise alone."
17:24 Praise the Lord, we can say,
17:26 "Yes, we have been redeemed." Wow, That's powerful.
17:29 You need to just keep on keeping on Antionette,
17:32 and keep on doing what you are doing,
17:34 and I'm thrilled that "White Horse Media"
17:36 has a part in giving you a voice, and Dianne a voice,
17:40 in as wide a sphere as possible of redemption. Praise the Lord!
17:44 It also reminds me of Jonah.
17:47 Jonah had a call from God to go to Nineveh
17:50 and do a mission and he went the other way.
17:52 He sinned, he didn't want to do what God wanted him to do,
17:55 and then the whole story eventually got swallowed
17:57 by a fish, and I really like the fact at the end
17:59 of the 3 days in the darkness, the slime of the whale's body,
18:06 then it says in Jonah 2, I believe it is,
18:09 that the whale or the fish spit him out,
18:14 and when he got back on the land, he probably looked
18:16 horrible... I mean, you know, his skin was white,
18:18 he hadn't seen the sun.
18:20 And then it says that "The word of the Lord
18:22 came to Jonah a second time, and He said,
18:25 "Rise, go to Nineveh," and so that shows that
18:28 even though we've sinned, and there are so many
18:30 examples in the Bible, even though we've sinned
18:32 that God still loves us, He still calls us,
18:35 and we want that message to go out. Absolutely!
18:38 That no matter how much we've sinned,
18:40 Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners
18:43 Paul said, "of whom I am chief."
18:46 And he was killing Christians!
18:48 Not just, you know, we're not even talking about with him,
18:51 the unborn, he was killing grown up Christians,
18:54 or at least leading to their death.
18:56 And the Lord knocked him down, turned him around,
18:58 and said, "Go and be My ambassador."
19:00 Yes, yes he did. I love that you bring up
19:02 the story of Jonah... you know Psalm 107 has
19:05 become one of my favorite chapters because it expresses
19:11 people messing up, making mistakes, and yet
19:15 crying out to the Lord, and the Lord coming for them.
19:19 I would love to read this passage just very briefly,
19:23 Psalm 107:10- I'll start at verse 10.
19:30 "Those who sat in darkness in the shadow of death,
19:33 bound in affliction and irons because they rebelled against
19:36 the words of God and despised the counsel of the Most High,
19:40 Therefore He brought down their heart with labor;
19:42 They fell down and there was none to help.
19:45 Then they cried out to the Lord in their trouble,
19:47 And He saved them out of their distresses.
19:50 He brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death,
19:54 And broke their chains in pieces.
19:56 Oh that men would give thanks to the Lord for His goodness."
20:00 ... And women. AMEN and women! And for His wonderful
20:03 works to the children of men for He has broken the gates
20:05 of bronze and cut the bars of iron in two."
20:08 That is a promise to us that though we have sinned;
20:13 though we've run from the Lord; though we've just messed up,
20:17 we can cry out to Him again, and again, and again,
20:20 and He will come for us... That's what He does!
20:23 He comes, He rescues, He redeems, He restores!
20:27 Here's another text that just came to me...
20:29 Psalm 40:1, "I waited patiently for the Lord,
20:32 and He inclined to me, He heard my cry.
20:34 He also brought me up out of the horrible pit,
20:37 out of the miry clay and He set my feet upon a rock.
20:41 He established my steps.
20:42 He put a new song in my mouth. Praise to our God!
20:44 Many will see it and fear, and will trust in the Lord."
20:47 Amen! Praise God! Amen!
20:49 And the story of Peter, I think as well,
20:52 is also so powerful here for me in my own journey
20:57 of running from the Lord and coming back.
21:00 As I was coming back to the Lord,
21:02 surrendering my life back to Him,
21:04 I heard a sermon on the story on Peter,
21:07 and you think about Peter...
21:09 He was sort of like a forest that was larger than life.
21:12 He was fierce; he was courageous, he was bold,
21:18 and he literally was right next to the Lord.
21:21 He looked in His face; he ate next to Him;
21:24 he slept beside Him; he interacted with Him
21:27 for 3 years; he literally breathed in His air,
21:31 and the Lord told him, "Peter, you're going to deny Me."
21:34 And what did he say... "I will never
21:35 deny you, I'll never deny you."
21:37 And what happened? He denied the Lord.
21:40 He broke His heart, and yet the Lord brought
21:45 him back!
21:46 What was so significant about
21:49 Peter's story is that he was broken.
21:52 He was completely broken before the Lord.
21:55 "He wept bitterly," the Word says.
21:58 And it was after having been broken that Peter
22:02 truly became useful.
22:04 Yeah, and you know, I think what really hit Peter
22:08 was after the resurrection that the angel told,
22:13 I think it was one of the women,
22:14 "Go tell the disciples and tell
22:18 Peter that He is going to meet you in Galilee."
22:21 And when Peter heard that, that the angel mentioned
22:24 his name... that Jesus still loves him personally. Wow!
22:30 That really broke him down. Yes!
22:34 And for us, you know, we look at the things in our lives
22:38 that we've done that are shameful that we never
22:41 should have done - that grieved the Lord's heart.
22:43 And I heard an example, I heard an example given
22:48 about stained glass.
22:50 Stained glass, when we look at it, it is so beautiful,
22:53 and we look at pictures of stained glass;
22:56 you walk through churches and see the stained glass,
22:57 and you're just in awe of the beauty there.
22:59 The way that they make stained glass is they break up glass,
23:03 and they fit it back together, and when the light
23:06 shines through, it shines through the broken places,
23:10 and that is why the stained glass is beautiful.
23:13 That is what the Lord does, He redeems and He restores.
23:17 He takes our brokenness; He takes our mistakes;
23:20 He takes our past and He fits it together to weave a story
23:24 that He is telling if we will submit to Him.
23:27 Wow - yeah, it's amazing, and we're all broken.
23:30 We all have a past and if we don't realize it,
23:32 then our eyes aren't really open to see the significance
23:36 of our own sin, the seriousness
23:37 of our own sin and our need for Jesus,
23:39 and I mean this is just powerful information.
23:42 You know, we just so often, like we've talked about,
23:46 this is a topic that we just bury, that women bury,
23:50 and that men bury too because, as you've mentioned,
23:52 men are involved; it's not just a woman's issue,
23:56 it's a men issue too, and there needs to be
24:00 a voice in the wilderness talking about this.
24:05 And what we hope, is that people will...
24:07 that we'll just see as a people, not just post-abortive,
24:10 but everyone that...
24:12 You know in Hebrews 12:2, it says that,
24:15 "For the joy that was set before Him, Jesus endured the cross."
24:19 Well, what was that joy? It was us!
24:22 He literally looked down through the ages and He saw our need.
24:26 He saw our brokenness.
24:27 He anticipated how much we would need Him,
24:30 and He said, "I'm not going to leave you alone,
24:33 I'm going to come for you."
24:35 And He didn't just anticipate our need...
24:38 He anticipated our redemption.
24:41 He knew that I would need Him.
24:43 He knew that I would need to be redeemed.
24:45 He knew that Dianne would need Him.
24:46 He knew that Dianne would need to be redeemed.
24:48 He literally anticipated our redemption,
24:51 and He stretched out His arms and said, "For you,
24:54 I'm not coming down," and He held on to the cross
24:58 though we broke His heart, so that He could be reconciled
25:01 to us, we could be reconciled to Him.
25:04 That's absolutely phenomenal. Wow, wow...
25:06 And one last thing, in Romans 8:28-29, it says,
25:13 "All things work together for good to those who love the God
25:15 and are called according to His purpose."
25:17 For whom He foreknew, He predestined to conform
25:21 to the image of His Son.
25:22 That "all" there, there is no qualifier...
25:27 "All things work together for good."
25:29 That "all" isn't just sugar and sweetness, all the nice
25:32 things you've done and it's not just all the bad things
25:36 that have been done to you...
25:37 It will all work together for good.
25:39 He says, "All things work together for good
25:42 to those who love God and are called
25:43 according to His purpose."
25:45 That means your past; it means your fumblings;
25:48 it means your failures; it means your mistakes.
25:50 And your sins... AND your sins!
25:52 Working together to the glory of God.
25:55 Now are we to walk according to the light we've been given?
25:58 Absolutely!
26:00 Does that just mean we're supposed to sin?
26:02 No, not at all, but we serve a God
26:05 who is sovereign.
26:06 There's a reason He promises
26:08 to restore what the locusts have eaten.
26:10 There is a reason He promises to give beauty for ashes.
26:13 What there something you wanted to say?
26:16 I'm just... There's so much we both would like to say.
26:20 Okay... But I do want to say,
26:22 we're just about out of time.
26:24 So, I want to finish with this Bible verse
26:27 that just is an appeal to the church.
26:29 This is Romans 10:14, Paul wrote,
26:33 "How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed?
26:37 How shall they believe in Him in whom they have not heard?
26:40 How shall they hear without a preacher?
26:41 And how shall they preach unless they are sent?
26:45 As it is written, how beautiful are the feet of those
26:49 who preach the gospel of peace
26:51 and who bring glad tidings of good news."
26:56 This is not the time for God's
26:59 church to be silent on this issue.
27:01 There is a time to be a silent, and a time to speak.
27:03 This is the time for God's people to speak.
27:06 This is the work of the church.
27:08 It's part of the work of the church.
27:09 It embraces the work of the church.
27:12 And there's an old hymn that says something like...
27:14 "Rise up oh church of God
27:16 and take a stand for Jesus in these last days."
27:20 May God help us to be faithful to this calling.
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