The Creation Case

New or Old?

Three Angels Broadcasting Network

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Participants: Rich Aguilera

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Program Code: TCC000011A


00:10 Where did we come from?
00:14 The Bible says, "In the beginning God created."
00:20 Evolution teaches the opposite.
00:22 No one created, it all happened by itself.
00:26 Which one is the truth?
00:30 This is Headquarters,
00:34 Doc M, Jacqui,
00:41 and Rich,
00:44 their job, investigate and discover the truth.
00:52 This is The Creation Case.
01:21 Hi, Doc M. Hi, Jacqui.
01:25 Where's Rich today? I don't know.
01:28 See thing is he said something about a goose...
01:32 Chasing a goose or maybe,
01:35 was it goose neck? Goose egg?
01:39 Okay. So he's somewhere with a goose.
01:41 Yeah. Interesting.
01:45 Well, that's bizarre and that's Rich.
01:49 Well, I have something for him.
01:51 I just got an email.
01:52 Why don't you read it? Okay.
01:55 It says, "Dear, Doc M,
01:58 our class went on a field trip this week to a museum.
02:02 Everything they showed us,
02:04 they said it was millions of years old,
02:07 stuff like petrified wood and other things.
02:10 One of my friends in my class says they're wrong.
02:14 He says at a church they taught him that
02:15 it doesn't take that long for those things to form.
02:20 Are there things in the world
02:21 that take millions of years to form or not?
02:24 Who's right?
02:26 Thank you, Andres from Worcester, Massachusetts."
02:30 Hmm.
02:32 Wow, that's got to be so confusing.
02:34 Very. Yeah. Let me show you something.
02:40 Look at these. Two Roman coins.
02:44 One of those is fake,
02:48 but the other one of those, it's a real thing.
02:51 Really? Yeah.
02:52 See if you can find out which one it.
02:54 Let's take a look. All right.
02:55 Shall we?
02:56 Well, okay, this one has a head,
03:02 guessing it be Caesar, Augustus, or someone like that.
03:06 And this one kind of has a horse in the front
03:11 and it says...
03:13 It says some something.
03:16 I think it's a 64 BC.
03:21 I don't know, they all look so similar and real.
03:23 Yeah. Mm-hmm
03:28 Doc M, this is the fake. I'll tell you why.
03:34 It says 64 BC.
03:39 How did they know that Christ is gonna be born,
03:41 they had no idea.
03:43 So if they have no idea,
03:45 why would they know how to call it BC.
03:47 You can't date something before the event happened.
03:52 You're right. BC is Before Christ.
03:54 Yeah. They couldn't do it.
03:56 Here's the thing
03:58 is that sometimes people say things are really super old.
04:03 But the evidence and the clues that we can discover
04:07 say something different.
04:10 You know what I think? You tell me.
04:12 I think this is an assignment for Rich.
04:14 You got it. Yes.
04:16 So I will find him.
04:18 And I'll give him his assignment.
04:20 Super.
04:21 Let me know how it goes with the goose thing.
04:23 Yeah.
04:24 I'll definitely work on that one.
04:27 I'm okay. Okay.
04:31 Do you have a creation question for Headquarters?
04:34 Send your questions to Doc, Jacqui, and Rich
04:37 by visiting our website at TheCreationCase.com.
05:08 Hey, everyone.
05:10 I'm here at this really cool Grand Canyon.
05:11 And I'm gonna hike down into it today.
05:13 It's called Gooseneck Canyon,
05:15 and it's one of the most unusual canyons in Utah.
05:18 Come on.
05:56 They call this Gooseneck Canyon
05:58 because of the big giant S-curve in the river.
06:01 It's about 1,000 feet down to the bottom,
06:04 and it's a beautiful hike.
06:06 Come on, let's get going.
06:10 Uh-oh!
06:12 I think we got a message from HQ,
06:15 maybe it's our new assignment.
06:17 Let's check it out.
06:20 Hi, Rich.
06:21 Doc M has a special assignment for you.
06:23 One of the questions we got recently
06:25 asks about museum that claim a lot of the stuff in nature
06:28 is millions of years old.
06:30 Of course, the Bible says all that stuff
06:32 is thousands of years old, not millions.
06:35 Both can't be right. So please look into this.
06:38 We look forward to your report.
06:42 Rich are you chasing around geese?
06:44 Chasing geese? Where did he get that idea?
06:48 Watch out. They'll bite.
06:51 Bite?
06:53 Really? They bite? Sure they bite and they hiss.
06:57 Hiss? Hiss like a snake?
06:59 Well, not really like a snake, it kind of like a...
07:02 Are you recording? Oops!
07:06 Why did they think I'm chasing around geese?
07:09 I'm not at a farm.
07:10 I'm at Gooseneck Can... Gooseneck Canyon.
07:15 I get it.
07:16 I better let them know I got their message.
07:19 Got message.
07:22 How old is stuff on earth?
07:28 Will watch out for geese.
07:32 Honk. Honk.
07:36 All right, we got our assignment.
07:38 This is a tough one.
07:39 'Cause no one really knows how old stuff is, only God.
07:43 All we can do is look around for clues
07:45 to help us get an idea.
07:47 First things first,
07:48 let's get this down in our journal.
07:55 Old or new.
08:01 This is gonna be tough.
08:02 It's not like the earth has a tag on it.
08:05 Time to do some detective work.
08:08 Well, the first thing I can think of is scientists
08:10 often say as super old is petrified wood.
08:13 We need to find some petrified wood,
08:15 and I know where to go.
08:16 Come on.
08:25 Help us investigate today.
08:28 Download and print your own free Journal Study Guide
08:31 at TheCreationCase.com.
09:04 Well, we are on our way to see the petrified trees.
09:09 It's amazing how big the desert is in this area.
09:12 Did you know that one-third of all the land
09:14 on our planet is considered desert?
09:17 In the United States, we're talking about cities like
09:19 Phoenix, and San Diego, and El Paso.
09:23 Are you wondering which US cities
09:24 get the most rainfall?
09:26 Cities like Miami, and New Orleans, and Mobile
09:29 get over 60 inches of rain per year.
09:32 What about the whole planet?
09:34 The rainiest place on earth is a city in India
09:37 that gets over 450 inches of rain per year.
09:41 That's a lot of rain.
09:43 And the driest place is a desert in Chile
09:46 where they haven't even seen a millimeter of rain
09:49 in hundreds of years.
09:51 That's dry.
10:00 I think we're almost there just a few more miles.
10:03 I can't wait.
10:21 We're here, but we need to walk a little ways
10:23 to get to the petrified logs.
10:25 Come on.
10:27 Petrified wood is found all over the world
10:30 on every continent.
10:37 Normally, when you see petrified wood in a park
10:40 or in a museum,
10:42 they will tell you that it's millions of years old.
10:46 Why do they say that?
10:48 Because some scientists say that the dirt layers
10:50 where they found those logs are millions of years old.
10:56 Hey, here's a few good pieces.
11:01 So what is petrified wood?
11:04 It's basically wood that was buried rapidly
11:07 and then turned into stone.
11:10 Once buried,
11:11 the living parts of the tree are replaced by minerals
11:14 and the tree becomes a rock.
11:18 The only way to preserve a tree is to bury it quickly
11:22 and only some sort of dramatic event
11:24 could have buried so many trees.
11:28 Remember, it had to happen quickly
11:31 because once a tree falls down and dies,
11:33 it starts to rot right away.
11:35 None of these trees here got to rot,
11:38 they were buried right away and preserved.
11:47 Think about it,
11:49 petrified wood is found everywhere in the world.
11:52 Whatever dramatic event happened to preserve them
11:54 seems to have happened everywhere.
11:56 If you ask me, this sure sounds a lot like the flood story.
12:00 Billions of trees, like this,
12:02 around the world buried rapidly and preserved?
12:11 Hey, here's a real nice pile of petrified logs.
12:23 You know, scientists used to say,
12:25 it takes millions of years to make petrified logs
12:27 but recently, they're discovering that
12:29 it doesn't take that long after all.
12:31 They learned that it can even happen in just a few years.
12:34 And it can even be done in a lab.
12:36 You don't need millions of years to petrify wood.
12:39 You just need the right conditions.
12:44 There's a spring in Europe
12:45 where water coming out is full of minerals.
12:48 What you can do is send small objects
12:50 like a shoe or a teddy bear,
12:52 and they soak it in that water for several months,
12:54 and then they send it back to you petrified.
12:59 Like I said,
13:00 petrifying has a do with the right conditions,
13:02 nothing to do with millions of years.
13:05 I think I'm gonna write that down in my journal.
13:09 Sit over here on this nice petrified log.
13:13 Petrifying wood has to do with having the right conditions,
13:17 not the passing of millions of years.
13:22 These logs are on the surface
13:24 but sometimes we find them buried in the ground.
13:26 Check it out. I have a picture.
13:30 As you can see, these types of petrified logs
13:33 are going through several layers.
13:36 If the bottom of a tree is buried in one layer,
13:39 is it possible for the top of the tree
13:41 to stick out of the ground and wait for millions of years
13:43 to be buried by the next layer?
13:45 No.
13:46 When you see a petrified tree
13:47 crossing through several layers,
13:49 you have to assume that it was buried all at once
13:51 and that the layers aren't millions of years apart.
13:54 It's amazing, how nature provides us
13:56 with so many little clues.
13:58 You know, this is a cool place.
14:00 I think I'm gonna sketch one of these logs.
14:03 Is it a coincidence
14:05 that the petrification is mainly caused by logs
14:07 being buried rapidly by water and mud?
14:11 Is it also a coincidence
14:12 that this is found all over the world?
14:16 This really looks like something the flood
14:19 would have caused.
14:22 You know, there's another place we need to visit,
14:24 a cave because some people think
14:26 that caves also take millions of years to form.
14:29 We're gonna have to check out the evidence,
14:31 that means we're gonna have to find a cave.
14:33 I know where there's a great one.
14:34 Come on, let's get back to the jeep.
14:43 Hi, everyone.
14:44 It's Doc M here at HQ.
14:47 I thought I'd talk to you about radioisotope dating.
14:49 Oh, that's really interesting.
14:52 That's the primary dating method
14:54 scientists used to figure out how old the earth is.
14:58 They call a machine, the mass spectrometer.
15:03 This is what one looks like.
15:05 I've a picture right here on my computer.
15:10 Using this machine,
15:11 scientists say the world is
15:13 4.5 billion years old.
15:18 So how does this machine really work?
15:21 Well, there are atoms in rocks that decay, they breakdown,
15:26 and change to other types of atoms.
15:29 Uranium decays and breaks down into lead,
15:32 potassium decays into argon.
15:37 These machines can measure the rate
15:39 at which these atoms are decaying.
15:41 You put something in and it figures out
15:42 how fast it's decaying.
15:44 Well, that's pretty cool,
15:45 except there are few problems, of course.
15:50 These machines weren't around hundreds
15:51 or even billions of years ago.
15:54 So the machines have to make a few assumptions
15:59 about some of the conditions in the past.
16:03 Well, that's where we run into problems.
16:06 How can we ask a machine to tell us
16:10 how old stuff is
16:12 if no one knows a bunch of important details
16:15 about the past?
16:16 It's impossible. Can't do it.
16:19 Plus, some of these atoms decay so fast,
16:21 the dates are only good for a few thousand years.
16:24 Let me give you an example.
16:30 An hourglass.
16:31 Let's say we just got here and you see it.
16:34 An hourglass with some sand in the bottom
16:37 and some sand at the top,
16:40 by just looking at this you can't tell exactly
16:43 how long the hourglass has been running.
16:45 No, it's impossible.
16:48 You could calculate and measure all you want,
16:50 but it's impossible to really know.
16:53 What if there was already sand in the bottom
16:56 when it was turned over?
16:59 Has it always been falling at a constant rate,
17:01 the same amount of sand?
17:03 What if sand was added or taken out of the hourglass
17:07 and we didn't know?
17:12 Since we don't know,
17:14 we would have to make some assumptions,
17:15 assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.
17:18 That's the problem.
17:20 That would seriously affect our calculations.
17:24 The same is done with radioisotope dating.
17:27 If scientists fail to consider
17:30 several of these critical assumptions,
17:33 then you can be pretty sure
17:35 that radioisotope dating will give you incorrect dates.
17:41 Yet again,
17:42 this is another reason I believe God is my Creator.
17:52 Hey, everyone. It's me, Rich Aguilera.
17:54 I'd love to see you at one of our live events
17:57 to see where I'll be speaking, visit our website,
18:00 TheCreationCase.com.
18:09 All right, my rope is tied in because tonight
18:12 we're going caving.
18:15 To go down into a cave, we must go underground.
18:19 I got all the gear I need to get down there.
18:21 Let's go.
18:29 This is not your normal cave.
18:31 To get in, you have to first gear up with the harness.
18:35 The first thing we must do is repel down into the first cave.
18:40 It's so dark, I really can't see what I'm repelling into
18:45 but eventually, I find the bottom.
18:52 At the bottom, I find there is another dark hole,
18:55 I have to repel into,
18:57 and I continued to work my way down deeper
19:01 into this cavern.
19:18 Well, we made it.
19:19 We are about 75 feet below the surface of the earth.
19:23 A cave, of course, is a space underground
19:25 where we can explore and check things out.
19:27 Come on. Let's see what we can find.
19:31 The real question is, how did this cave get here
19:34 and how long did it take to form.
19:37 Like petrified wood,
19:39 evolution teaches that cave also take
19:41 millions of years to form.
19:44 We've come here today to check this one out
19:46 and to investigate
19:48 if we really need millions of years to form a cave.
19:51 Most caves are cut out of soft stone like limestone.
19:55 It's a kind of stone that dissolves.
19:58 The water in the ground above us has acid in it,
20:01 acid dissolves stuff.
20:04 Most scientists believe that when acid water seeps down
20:07 through the cracks in the earth,
20:08 it slowly dissolves away the limestone,
20:11 leaving caves like this one, huge openings underground.
20:15 The question is,
20:17 does it really take millions of years to do that.
20:20 People who study caves see the dripping water
20:23 and assume it's always been dripping like that
20:25 slowly, one drop at a time.
20:28 So if the caves were formed one drop at a time,
20:31 it could make sense that it would take
20:32 a very long time to form a very large cave.
20:35 The thing is that there is another way
20:38 of looking at it.
20:39 The Bible teaches of a global flood
20:41 that covered the earth.
20:42 A global flood would mean that in a short period of time,
20:45 a lot of water would have come through
20:47 and eroded a cave like this very, very quickly.
20:51 Both explanations would form a cave,
20:53 drops of water for millions of years,
20:55 or a lot of water in a short period of time.
20:59 So were caves formed the slow way or the fast way?
21:04 We need to keep looking.
21:08 Wow! This part of the cave is kind of tight.
21:14 Think of it like a lollipop.
21:15 If you lick it once a day,
21:17 it will take a long time to dissolve.
21:19 But if you lick it every few seconds,
21:21 it will dissolve in no time.
21:24 More water means, it would dissolve quicker.
21:28 Stalactites and stalagmites are interesting too.
21:31 They're formed by water rich in minerals
21:34 that build up into some cool shapes.
21:37 Some scientists claim
21:38 that they take millions of years to form.
21:41 But what really matters
21:42 is how much water has passed through there,
21:45 not how much time.
21:47 Water forms caves, not time.
21:51 Wow, I finally got through that tight passage.
22:05 Have you ever seen the Lincoln Memorial
22:07 in Washington DC?
22:09 Let me show you a picture of it.
22:11 For years,
22:13 water has been dripping down into the basement
22:15 where stalactites have formed.
22:17 They have grown 5 feet in 45 years.
22:21 Do you know
22:22 what the Lincoln Memorial is made of?
22:24 Yep. Limestone.
22:26 Stalactites are actually found forming all over the place.
22:30 They are found forming on bridges
22:32 and in subway tunnels.
22:34 You don't need a lot of time to form a stalactite.
22:37 You just need the right conditions.
22:40 And during a flood, you would expect water
22:42 to be filled with minerals and stuff.
22:44 And the water would not be clean and pure,
22:47 it would be muddy and dirty and filled with minerals.
22:51 Massive amounts of water rich with minerals...
22:55 Hmm...
22:57 I gonna write this down in my journal.
23:10 Caves are formed by large amounts of water,
23:14 not large amounts of time.
23:19 Since the Bible is God's Word,
23:21 when we compare the things we see in nature to it,
23:24 we see that the Bible has the truth.
23:29 Well, I've looked everywhere.
23:31 There's only one way to get back out of this cave.
23:35 The same way we came in.
24:02 I made it.
24:10 That cave was intense.
24:12 You know, sometimes we forget that things on the surface
24:15 aren't the only things on the planet.
24:17 There's an amazing world of nature underground too
24:21 and also in the oceans.
24:23 I need to keep exploring these places.
24:26 Well, I need to finish up my report and send it to HQ.
24:30 Remember, if you wanna read it, just go to our website.
24:38 When everyone out there keep saying everything
24:40 is millions of years old,
24:42 it can be confusing but comparing the Bible
24:45 to the things we see in nature shows us the truth.
24:51 Petrifying wood has to do
24:53 with having the right conditions,
24:55 not the passing of millions of years.
24:59 Caves are formed by large amounts of water,
25:02 not large amounts of time.
25:06 The biblical account of the flood
25:08 goes with what we see in nature.
25:12 You know, there are a lot of experts out there
25:15 claiming to have the truth,
25:17 but many of the things they say
25:19 go against the truth that we find in the Bible.
25:22 It's important to be careful
25:25 because Satan wants to trick us into believing lies about God.
25:30 This is a very serious thing
25:32 because you know what's at stake,
25:35 life and death.
25:37 If we choose wrong
25:39 and believe in the enemy's lies,
25:40 we may miss out on the most wonderful gift
25:43 our Creator wants to give us,
25:45 eternal life with Him in heaven.
25:48 More than anything, I want to choose the truth.
25:52 I hope you will do the same.
25:55 Well, I hope you'll join me again for our next assignment.
25:59 Remember, God the Creator loves what He creates,
26:04 especially you.
26:05 Goodnight.
26:16 You know.
26:19 A river...
26:21 What is that?
26:25 Perfect.
26:28 Barrier to bury... Ba, ba...
26:31 That things aren't the...
26:34 Kill that one.
26:35 All of them...
26:37 Washington DC.
26:39 Oops! I forgot to say here's a picture.
26:42 Some scientists always say so...
26:44 If you're gonna swishing around.
26:45 Ah!
26:47 Get out of here.
26:49 A mass spectomic... Yuck!
26:52 And, you know, I get it...
26:53 I forgot my mind.


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