The Creator Revealed

Design In Fossil Organisms

Three Angels Broadcasting Network

Program transcript



Series Code: TCR

Program Code: TCR180002A

00:30 Welcome to "The Creator Revealed."
00:33 I'm Tim Standish, I'm a scientist
00:35 who works for the Geoscience Research Institute.
00:39 And we are so glad that you are joining us today.
00:43 I'm Shelley Quinn.
00:44 I'm here to represent the average person
00:47 who's just going, ooh, when he tells us these things.
00:51 What we do in the first segment,
00:53 the first 15 minutes we will be talking about
00:56 some scientific fact that I think
00:59 you will find fascinating because we'll show
01:02 how God our Creator is revealed in His creation,
01:07 and then we'll come back with the second half
01:10 to have a biblical application, a discussion of this.
01:14 So please stay tuned for the entire program.
01:17 What are we gonna learn today?
01:19 We're gonna learn something
01:20 that many people have an incorrect view of it,
01:24 about fossils.
01:26 People believe that fossils somehow rather
01:31 are irrefutable proof
01:33 of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.
01:36 The reality is actually quite the opposite.
01:40 When we look at those fossils,
01:43 they tell us something about the Creator.
01:46 Amen.
01:47 So before we actually get into that,
01:50 I want to draw your attention to a text
01:54 that was written by the Apostle Paul
01:57 to the people in Ephesus.
02:00 Okay. This is Ephesians 5:32.
02:05 And Paul wrote this, he said, "This is a great mystery:
02:09 but I speak concerning Christ and the church."
02:14 The way I want to apply that text
02:17 with fossils is like this.
02:20 Fossils are remains of organisms
02:23 that lived in the past.
02:26 Unfortunately we can't do time travel
02:30 and go back and actually see what happened.
02:34 So in many ways they are a great mystery?
02:37 They're a mystery. Yes.
02:38 And it's a mystery that is profound
02:40 because we can't go back in time,
02:42 we can't really know certain things about them.
02:46 For example, we don't know
02:48 what sounds fossil organisms made.
02:52 So we don't know how a dinosaur sounded,
02:54 he could have been squeaky.
02:56 He could have been squeaky, he could have been silent.
02:58 He might have hissed like a lizard,
03:00 we just don't know.
03:02 And we cannot realistically know,
03:05 we can speculate and that's all.
03:08 So let's look at a dinosaur. Okay.
03:11 I've got a great dinosaur.
03:13 This is the tallest dinosaur that's known.
03:18 And when you look at that, it's pretty big.
03:22 In fact, it's about 13.27 meters tall.
03:28 Forty feet? About 40 feet, yes.
03:33 Well, a meter is a little bit over a yard,
03:35 it's about 39 inches.
03:38 So we're talking about a very, very tall creature.
03:41 Very intimidating to meet him
03:43 when you're out picking berries, I'm sure.
03:45 Yes, you know, I think,
03:48 I probably wouldn't want to get trodden on by him.
03:50 But the good news is this particular dinosaur
03:53 or like many other dinosaurs, they're commonly vegetarian.
03:57 Obviously, there are meat-eating dinosaurs,
03:59 we all know about T-Rex and dinosaurs like that.
04:03 But this was a vegetarian
04:05 and probably ate an awful lot of vegetables,
04:08 let's put it that way.
04:12 When I look at something like this,
04:15 a word comes to my mind and it's a great sounding word,
04:19 I love the way it comes off your tongue,
04:20 it's teleology.
04:22 It sounds like something you might do
04:23 in the afternoon in England.
04:25 Yes. Yes.
04:26 Morning teleology and afternoon teleology,
04:29 but it means something quite different.
04:32 It's built of the root word tele,
04:35 something out there,
04:36 something a long way away, like a telescope.
04:39 You're looking at something far away.
04:41 The idea with teleology is something that...
04:45 Situation where you have a goal out there,
04:48 somewhere out there and it's moved towards,
04:51 it's a goal,
04:52 an intelligent being has a goal
04:55 and then does work to get towards that goal.
05:00 It could be walking towards it, it could be engineering,
05:03 for example, there's a goal of making something,
05:05 an airplane, or a car, or a computer,
05:09 anything like that, there's that goal.
05:11 Having a design and a plan and...
05:13 Exactly, but it exists first in the brain
05:16 and then in reality.
05:18 Okay, okay. Yeah, so that's the idea.
05:20 Now fossil organisms, like living organisms,
05:23 had complex integrated systems
05:26 that were necessary for their survival.
05:29 Circulatory systems, muscle systems,
05:32 skeletal systems, nervous systems,
05:35 all of those had to work together.
05:37 That's an indicator
05:39 that there was some sort of teleology involved,
05:41 someone was working towards the goal
05:44 of making a dinosaur
05:46 and so somebody anticipated their need,
05:50 the dinosaurs' need
05:51 or the other fossil organisms' need
05:54 and thought of a solution to every problem
05:56 that needed to be solved for them to live.
06:00 That had to be solved first
06:02 before they could come into existence.
06:04 It's not something that
06:05 you could muddle your way towards.
06:07 Once you have the dinosaur,
06:09 you might be able to have it grow
06:11 a little bit bigger or a little bit smaller
06:13 or something like that,
06:14 but the basic systems all had to be in place first.
06:17 Especially for that big dude, if he's gonna pop.
06:23 In our experience only intelligence
06:25 is capable of doing this,
06:26 having that plan and integrating everything
06:28 and making it happen.
06:30 So teleology is something
06:31 we can look at in all living things
06:33 but we can also see evidence of it
06:35 in fossil things.
06:37 So when we talk about that incredibly tall dinosaur,
06:40 we can see there was some teleology involved,
06:43 some intelligence involved in its production,
06:48 in making it, in creating it, and we can do that
06:51 by looking at a modern organism.
06:54 The tallest living animal...
06:57 Giraffe. Giraffe, right.
06:58 Now, a really tall giraffe would hit about six meters.
07:03 So it's pushing about 20 feet, a little less than 20 feet.
07:06 And there are all sorts of things,
07:11 we design things we could talk about with dinosaurs,
07:14 with giraffes.
07:16 But let's look at a problem that they have to solve,
07:19 an engineering problem
07:21 that would also have been solved
07:23 by the dinosaur.
07:25 So let's see how they solve it.
07:27 It's called hydrostatic pressure.
07:29 This is basically the problem that they face
07:31 when they're trying to get blood
07:33 up to the top of their head.
07:36 When you're pumping blood up,
07:38 obviously their heart is down in their body, it's...
07:42 Going against gravity.
07:44 It's going against gravity, it's pumping it up there
07:46 so the blood has to go up about three meters,
07:50 that's about 10 feet, that it has to go,
07:53 that's a lot of weight of blood that you've got to push up.
07:56 So therefore,
07:58 you've got to have very high blood pressure,
08:00 if you want to do that.
08:01 And when you look at the numbers,
08:02 it's quite shocking really,
08:04 280/180 is their normal blood pressure.
08:09 A human being with blood pressure that high
08:11 would not have it for very long.
08:13 Well, exactly,
08:14 our blood vessels would explode under those circumstances.
08:18 So they have to have very strong blood vessels.
08:19 They got very strong blood vessels, right.
08:23 And, of course, that also means
08:25 that they must have a very powerful heart.
08:31 Now, people used to think,
08:33 "Oh, that means they have a really huge heart,"
08:35 but they don't, they have a heart that,
08:38 on the outside at least is about the same size
08:41 as you would expect for an animal of their size.
08:44 I've always heard that giraffe's had large hearts
08:45 but that's not.
08:47 But they really don't.
08:48 But what they do is they have very thick walls
08:50 on their heart.
08:52 So the heart is a muscle, right, and the muscle,
08:56 there's a lot of muscle there
08:57 which means that inside that space, yeah,
09:00 the ventricles where the blood is,
09:03 it flows in and then is squeezed out
09:05 under pressure as it's pumped out.
09:07 The ventricles are actually quite small.
09:12 Okay. So that means that...
09:16 Exactly that means every time they squeeze,
09:18 it's just a little bit of blood that goes out.
09:20 So, but they have to put out a lot of blood
09:22 so what can they do?
09:23 Go fast. That's right.
09:25 They can pump faster,
09:26 their heart beats very, very fast
09:28 relative to ours, or other organisms, yeah,
09:31 so they have this rapid heartbeat.
09:33 And then, finally they have a really interesting problem
09:37 because we've been talking about getting the blood up
09:39 to the top, right, up to the top of their head.
09:41 But what happens to that blood
09:43 that went all the way down to the bottom?
09:45 It has to come back up from the tip of their foot
09:49 all the way back up into their body
09:50 and back to their heart.
09:52 So how does it get squeezed back?
09:54 Tight skin. Like pressure hose.
09:56 Like pressure hose, exactly.
09:58 Squeezing the blood back up into their bodies.
10:02 So you can see then
10:04 that however these were created,
10:08 we believe God created...
10:09 It had to be an intelligent creator
10:12 who looked ahead and planned for every step
10:18 for this creature to exist as a species
10:22 that's different than you and I.
10:23 Exactly. Very good.
10:25 Teleology, intelligence, God,
10:30 that's a logical way of moving forward.
10:35 Then we will look at other kinds of fossils.
10:38 What we can see is we can look at living things
10:42 that they are essentially the same as...
10:44 So for example,
10:45 here I'm showing you a nautilus shell
10:48 and a fossil nautilus shell on the left there.
10:51 So about how old but it's supposed to be?
10:55 This particular one, I'm not entirely sure
10:58 but it would be millions of years
10:59 according to...
11:01 And you can see how much evolution has occurred
11:04 over those millions of years, if they were there, yeah.
11:08 We want to clarify
11:09 because I don't want someone writing this today
11:11 that we don't believe it's been millions of years.
11:14 Exactly.
11:15 But that's what many scientists...
11:18 What the fossils do not show is change, I mean,
11:22 this is what a modern nautilus looks like
11:24 but this is a grasshopper,
11:26 we can see it's pretty much the same
11:28 as a modern grasshopper.
11:29 What's this?
11:31 That's a dragonfly and it had four wings.
11:33 That's right, just like a modern dragonfly.
11:36 This one, I love this is a lizard,
11:38 a kind of gecko actually
11:41 and geckos will drop their tail sometimes
11:43 and a new one grows back.
11:45 This ancient one... He's re-growing a tail.
11:47 He's re-growing a tail.
11:48 So the ancient lizard had the ability
11:51 or the ancient gecko had the ability
11:54 that we see in the modern lizards.
11:56 What we don't see is evolution.
11:58 That's amazing.
11:59 Now, we might see things lost
12:02 but we certainly don't see evolution.
12:05 As a shock, I mean, we can recognize
12:07 all of these things but I want to get to this,
12:11 fossil organisms also suggest behavioral complexity.
12:15 It's not just the morphology, the organs,
12:21 and those sorts of things, their behavior.
12:23 The example I want to use is a marsupial.
12:26 Like a kangaroo? Like a kangaroo.
12:27 This happens to be the largest marsupial fossil
12:30 out there, Diprotodon
12:32 but I want to just point out that modern marsupials...
12:38 And these are ones who carry their babies
12:40 in a pouch or pocket.
12:41 Exactly. Okay.
12:43 Here in the United States, we have a marsupial.
12:44 I have 'em on my deck every day.
12:48 A possum, I went running out one morning
12:50 because my dog was barking and I saw this,
12:53 this mother possum
12:55 and she was exhibiting a behavior,
12:58 she had all of her little darlings there
13:01 on her back
13:03 and she was not going to let that...
13:04 How many does she have?
13:06 Let's have a look.
13:07 Can you count them? I don't know.
13:09 What a fabulous mother. You know what?
13:12 I want to have a pet one of those things
13:14 and nobody seems to understand why?
13:16 They're just so gorgeous, lovely, lovely creatures.
13:21 But the point is ancient creatures,
13:24 they had to have behaviors to take care of their young.
13:29 So what does this reveal about the Creator?
13:32 I'm suggesting at least a couple of things.
13:36 First, he encourages thoughtfulness in people.
13:40 As we study these fossils, we need to be thoughtful,
13:44 we have to understand that
13:45 we don't understand everything about them,
13:48 but we can see evidence of their creation
13:53 and they tell us something about God Himself.
13:55 Yes.
13:56 And we see the same wisdom, love and the value
14:02 that God placed on diversity when he did His creation.
14:07 We see it in modern organisms
14:10 and we see it in ancient organisms.
14:12 And it just supports that God is love,
14:15 God is all powerful,
14:16 and we're excited to come back in just a moment.
14:21 We're gonna be gone for 60 seconds.
14:23 So stay tuned because we will come back
14:26 to look at the biblical application
14:28 of these principles.


Revised 2019-03-11