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00:03 Welcome back to The Creator Revealed.
00:05 Today, we are talking about 00:08 evidences that support 00:10 the idea of a recent creation of our earth. 00:15 And we believe this supports 00:17 the biblical account of creation. 00:19 Yes, specifically, 00:20 we've been looking at living things. 00:22 What evidence is there in living things 00:25 that points towards a recent creation 00:29 of all of this life? 00:31 And one of the things that we've talked about 00:34 is chemicals, 00:35 these proteins and other biological chemicals 00:40 that we find inside fossils. 00:45 And so the big question is 00:48 can these things last for millions of years. 00:52 To understand this, 00:54 we're going to talk with a chemist Dr. Ryan Hayes. 00:58 He teaches in the department of chemistry and biochemistry 01:01 at Andrews University, 01:02 which happens to be my alma mater. 01:05 So I'm excited to hear 01:08 what Dr. Hayes has to say about this. 01:10 So welcome, Dr. Hayes. 01:11 Hi, Ryan. 01:14 Hi. It's good to be here. 01:15 Thanks for having me on. 01:17 This is an exciting topic, 01:19 where you have to think about chemicals, 01:22 and recent creation, 01:23 and boy, there's a lot of new information 01:26 that's coming out, 01:28 you know, here in just in the last few years 01:30 and in the last decade or so about all these molecules 01:35 that are, you know, being found in, you know, 01:38 in geological formations or pulling up dinosaur bones 01:42 and finding tissue in there, 01:45 this is just utterly amazing. 01:48 It is incredible stuff. 01:49 And I think that most people 01:52 have a kind of gut level understanding, 01:55 that's something like proteins, 01:57 that's the stuff that muscles are made out of, that's meat. 02:02 And we know that 02:03 meat doesn't last for very long 02:05 on a dead animal. 02:06 So the idea that you would find these things, for example, 02:10 in dinosaur bones 02:12 if you remove the... 02:16 The marrow. 02:18 Yeah, not the bone marrow itself, 02:20 but the hard part, that part of the bone, 02:24 you are actually left with proteins. 02:27 You can do that with obviously modern bones 02:30 or if you take a cow's bone and remove this chemicals 02:34 and they are called calcium, calcium appetite, isn't it? 02:39 And it's hydroxy appetite. 02:41 There's water in there as well. You're trying to show off. 02:42 No, I'm not. 02:45 Not for the chemical talk. 02:47 I love it. Yeah. 02:48 I was just reworking with my students even today 02:51 about the chemical properties of carbon based molecules 02:58 which were made out of and our life is made out of, 03:01 and the energy that is holding our bonds together 03:06 is actually somewhat easily broken 03:08 just from the heats and the lights, 03:12 that we have shine in our planet 03:15 that comes right out of our planet itself. 03:18 And in the molecules, 03:19 where in some ways are designed not to last forever 03:24 without some input into the system. 03:27 So when things are left out in the open 03:30 or left on the ground, 03:32 there's biological things that will come and attack 03:35 and chew them all up or just UV lights and heats, 03:39 or even the coal can break things up 03:42 and the chemicals that were made out of 03:44 and living things are made up with. 03:45 They just don't last that long. 03:48 And there's also something that I've heard of 03:50 called background radiation. 03:53 And apparently, you know, over short periods of time, 03:57 it's not that much. 03:59 But over the course of millions of years, 04:01 there's background radiation that everything is exposed to 04:06 unless you are repairing the damage 04:08 to these molecules, 04:10 you're going to wind up shredding them 04:12 because they are big molecules and boom, 04:14 that radiation gets in there and breaks them. 04:16 You just said over millions of years, 04:18 you don't believe there's been millions of years. 04:20 No. No. Okay. 04:21 In fact, the whole point of this 04:23 is the fact that we find these molecules 04:28 in fossils is a pretty good indicator 04:34 that those fossils are not, in fact, millions of years old. 04:37 And so the idea would be... 04:39 And, Dr. Ryan, correct me if I... 04:41 Dr. Hayes, Dr. Ryan Hayes, 04:44 correct me if I'm getting this wrong. 04:47 But, you know, 04:50 if you find something that should have broken down 04:52 over a long period of time, that probably tells you 04:54 that there hasn't been a long period of time. 04:58 That's absolutely right. 05:00 I think many people don't realize 05:02 that our DNA and lot of other molecules 05:05 in our body are just being pummeled. 05:08 We have thousands of breaks happening every day 05:11 because of the radioactive earth 05:14 that we live in. 05:15 I love making that point to my students 05:17 and the people I talk to, 05:19 we live in a very radioactive world, 05:21 and the reason why we don't see a lot of that damage 05:25 in the short term like days, weeks, and years is that we... 05:29 There are at least five known repair systems 05:32 that are constantly fixing the trillions of miles of DNA 05:37 that we have in our body. 05:39 So without those repair mechanisms, 05:42 DNA and some of the other organic molecules 05:45 will just fall apart from the radioactivity 05:48 and other things that we've talked about. 05:50 So just we live in a really radioactive world, 05:53 but we're sort of shielded from there 05:55 in a sense that was designed 05:58 that knew what problems would happen, 06:00 and systems, a lot of machines that go in and fix our DNA. 06:03 So our DNA is constant being destroyed 06:07 in little bits and pieces every day. 06:09 And it's eventually after enough decades, you know, 06:13 this leads to cancer, 06:15 and so this is why there's such a prevalence of cancer 06:17 is that eventually, 06:19 the systems can't keep up with all the damage 06:21 that's happening in our bodies. 06:23 This work received the Nobel Prize 06:25 in 2015 in chemistry 06:27 figuring out how our DNA is being repaired. 06:30 So when we find these things in the ground or in the earth, 06:34 they can't be that old. 06:36 These things just don't last that long. 06:38 So what about a situation like these people 06:41 who freeze their bodies 06:44 so that they could be resurrected later on? 06:46 Is that something that... 06:48 I mean, is there some conceivable way 06:51 in which we could preserve things in, 06:54 you know, 06:55 so they would last for millions of years 07:00 as some people believe apparently? 07:02 Yeah. Sure. 07:03 I mean, I mean, you'd want to try that, right? 07:05 You know, if you could cool things down cold enough, 07:08 maybe you could stop a lot of the degradation. 07:11 But the fact of the matter is a lot of that radioactivity 07:15 is going to just slam right through 07:18 even frozen material. 07:20 So sure, it's a good idea to try to freeze something 07:23 or encase it in something so it can last a long time. 07:28 But that is a real... 07:29 That even in itself is a real challenge 07:32 and takes design to figure out how you can preserve something 07:36 for such a long time in a random fashion. 07:39 Just throw some cold on it and it'll last forever. 07:42 I don't think so, you know? 07:44 But let's do something that scientists are looking at, 07:46 how do you keep something that lasts for a long time? 07:48 It's not easy. 07:50 It's a hard problem 07:51 to get biological materials to last a long time. 07:54 It's a hard problem. 07:56 And so even when people are working on it then, 07:59 you'll say that's something 08:00 that probably isn't going to happen, 08:02 let alone with some fossil 08:05 that's been buried in the ground in whatever, 08:09 in sandstone, or limestone, 08:10 or whatever you just simply wouldn't expect to get anything 08:13 lasting for millions of years in it. 08:17 No. That's exactly right. 08:19 I mean, so we shouldn't be surprised that 08:25 these things degrade fast. 08:26 We should be surprised that we're seeing anything, 08:28 and I think a lot of scientists are surprised 08:30 that bones are tearing up tissue 08:33 and just finding anything 08:35 that resembles organic molecules 08:38 is just utterly amazing, 08:39 but yeah, that's what we're finding in bones, 08:41 in a lot of samples that by radiometric means 08:45 they seemed to be really old, 08:47 but yet they defy, you know, chemical degradation. 08:54 This is amazing. 08:55 So I think this is some really good evidence 08:57 pointing to the fact that 08:59 life is a relatively recent thing on this planet, 09:03 thousands of years, 09:05 I think we have to take that 09:07 into strong consideration for sure. 09:09 So that means 09:10 that you do accept the biblical account 09:14 and the generations to save it. 09:16 Our earth is probably no more than 6,000 years old. 09:21 Yeah, you know, you ever take a few thousand years, 09:24 but for sure, I mean, I think, as a scientist, 09:26 you have to look at the credibility of the Bible 09:29 and the fact that this document has lasted so long 09:33 and it describes so many things that are so accurate. 09:37 Wow, I would love for my textbook 09:38 to be that accurate, and they're not. 09:43 Well, so... We have to acknowledge that. 09:46 Thank you so much for joining us, Dr. Hayes. 09:48 I know we could talk about this forever, it seems. 09:52 It is a wonderful and fabulous topic. 09:55 You know, Shelley, 09:56 one of the things I love about science 09:59 is that it is full of surprises, 10:03 and sometimes, to be perfectly honest, 10:06 I don't know what to do with those surprises. 10:09 But I remember when I first heard 10:10 about these molecules inside dinosaur bones, 10:14 I was shocked. 10:15 In fact, my colleague, he told me about that I said, 10:18 "I don't think that's going to be true." 10:21 And yet what we've found... 10:23 I and some other scientists 10:24 who collected peer reviewed scientific papers. 10:27 We have hundreds of them now reporting these things. 10:31 It's very strong evidence that life is thousands, 10:37 not millions of years old. 10:38 And is just like archeological finds 10:41 when people said, "Oh, no there was no David, 10:43 there was no this." 10:44 Archeology finally found it, 10:46 and that's what's happening now. 10:49 Science is finding proof 10:51 or evidence of a recent creation. |
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