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00:11 Welcome back to our 3ABN Thursday Night Live, not on the
00:16 regular set in studio A, we're here in studio B with this
00:19 beautiful set that the crew has done an amazing job preparing
00:23 and just sharing, sharing from our hearts, sharing with
00:27 authenticity and transparency how God has worked in our
00:31 lives, some of those broken places in our lives and how
00:34 He's working to bring healing in our own hearts, in our
00:38 marriages, and in our families.
00:39 Here with my sisters tonight as we talk about boundaries,
00:43 harmonizing work and life.
00:46 The first hour Angela shared about her marriage with her
00:49 husband.
00:53 for him and worked on establishing those boundaries,
00:55 and then how he became a Christian.
00:57 And then the boundaries they have as a Christian couple now
01:01 and in their family.
01:02 Dr. Yvonne Shelton shared powerful testimony on
01:07 forgiveness.
01:08 Forgiveness in her life that she extended to other people,
01:12 and then another amazing almost salvation type of testimony,
01:16 which was incredible.
01:17 But if you're just joining us, our family here tonight, my
01:20 sister, Dr. Yvonne Shelton, my sister, Shelly Quinn, my
01:24 sister, Angela Vandervalk, and my sister, Rise Rafferty.
01:27 You know it's funny, Pastor John Lomacane recently came
01:31 back from overseas, and he said when he came back, you know,
01:34 they really believe over there that you and Shelly are
01:36 sisters, biological sisters.
01:38 Because we always say on Salvation panel, my sister so
01:41 and so.
01:46 women as biological sisters too.
01:48 And I love that.
01:49 You know, if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we
01:52 have fellowship with one another.
01:54 And that's that spiritual koinonia, that connection that
01:57 God gives us.
01:59 So jumping in, let's move over to sister Rise Rafferty and
02:03 talk to us about health and boundaries and whatever's on
02:06 your heart.
02:06 Yeah, absolutely.
02:08 So you know, a little bit more about how I define boundaries
02:12 or what's really helped me to understand boundaries better is
02:15 through the lens of God's book in nature and through our own
02:18 physiology.
02:23 created us, he created us with many members.
02:26 We have lots of different parts, and all of those parts
02:28 have boundaries.
02:30 So there are boundaries to my stomach, and that's what
02:32 defines it as a boundary or boundaries to my heart, and yet
02:36 at the same time, they're one.
02:38 You know, so boundaries are not meant to be isolating or
02:44 alienating.
02:45 They're actually meant for us to be able to have a healthy
02:48 space that I can interact and give and receive to others and
02:52 communicate, and I was thinking about this like at a cellular
02:56 level.
02:57 When you look at what we're made out of, we're made out of,
03:00 you know, trillions of cells, right, and all these cells have
03:04 what's called a membrane, and that membrane is their
03:06 boundary.
03:07 It contains what's within it.
03:09 It defines what it is.
03:11 And yet, you know, we think of that membrane as just like a
03:14 wall or a border, and yet they really call the membrane the
03:18 brain of the cell because it's at the membrane where there's
03:22 all these receptors to communicate with the outside
03:25 world and where those receptors have ability to transform
03:30 what's going on inside of the cell and elicit all kinds of
03:33 biochemical reactions and stuff, and so when I think of
03:37 boundaries and healthy I think, isn't it beautiful how God
03:41 designed boundaries to function.
03:43 They were to be a place where I would meet with my neighbor and
03:46 we could safely, hopefully, respectfully interact and
03:51 communicate with each other and be a blessing to one another
03:55 and become one and yet still retain this amazing
03:59 individuality.
04:00 And I see this as God's signature in nature everywhere,
04:04 kind of like what I said earlier that when he created
04:06 things he divided it and yet, this is kind of crazy, I look
04:12 at Ezekiel's wheel within the wheel so here we have, you
04:14 know, oh here's land and here's water and then we get to
04:17 Ezekiel and he's like, he's so confusing because he's talking
04:19 about this wheel within a wheel and we can't picture what that
04:22 is and yet again when you study health and science even more
04:26 and you're like, wow, we're made out of atoms.
04:28 It's all these wheels within a wheel that are circulating and
04:32 going crazy it looks like to us and even there when we look at
04:37 the atom which we think of as a single one unit, I'm not trying
04:41 to geek out on you guys but you know, I'm just trying to think
04:43 this is God's handiwork, right, that you look even at the atom
04:47 and the atom can give part of itself to another thing and it
04:51 becomes something else, you know, and it's a way of joining
04:54 and forming molecules and bonds and that's what this world is
04:58 structured out of and so our boundaries are so important
05:03 when it comes to our emotional health and our spiritual health
05:07 and our social relationships that you know who I am, I know
05:12 who you are and therefore when we connect I can connect
05:15 uniquely with Angela in a way that I don't connect with
05:18 someone else because of my knowledge of her and how at
05:21 that border how we interact like two kids on a fence.
05:25 You know what I'm saying?
05:26 It's kind of playing with each other or something and so it's
05:29 this interactive beautiful thing and again if I don't have
05:33 definable boundaries then the relationships can become really
05:37 unhealthy whether that's social relationships or emotionally or
05:42 socially or physically and I was thinking about how like
05:47 diabetes is a boundary problem, it's a boundary problem at the
05:51 cell.
05:55 know on the lining of our intestines and that opens the
05:59 doorway floodgates for all kinds of disease.
06:01 Our blood brain barrier is supposed to be a barrier but
06:05 it's a semi-permeable one where it selectively allows things in
06:10 and again just I want to you know just emphasize this
06:14 concept that the boundary is a place where there's fluidity
06:19 and there's interaction and exchange right where the
06:23 intestinal barrier is one where I take in all these nutrients
06:26 and all these things that seem separate from me but now
06:30 they're becoming a part of me and a boundary crossing but
06:34 that's anyway it's just I think it's absolutely fascinating how
06:38 God does I look at them like I don't know how anyone can
06:41 really not see the design you know what I mean?
06:44 And the core principle of God at work which is living and
06:50 receiving to give you know that nothing in nature lives into
06:53 itself and so when I create boundaries or I establish
06:56 boundaries with a friend or with my husband or something
06:58 it's not just saying no to something it's saying yes to
07:02 something else you know like when my husband used to come
07:06 home and he would be working all day long and I'm just like
07:09 waiting to see him and then And he's got so much work to do,
07:12 he's on his computer, on his phone.
07:14 And I got to the point where I just hated those things.
07:16 I just wanted to throw them out the window, or I was thinking,
07:19 imagine myself, you know, destroying them.
07:24 Yeah, I know.
07:26 But...
07:28 Right.
07:29 Yeah.
07:32 need to have some boundaries where there is work time, and
07:36 then it stops.
07:37 Right?
07:39 And I get emergencies and all that kind of stuff.
07:41 And when James finally bought into the idea that he wasn't
07:44 just saying no to work, but he was saying yes to pillow talk
07:47 time and a happy wife.
07:49 You know what I'm saying?
07:50 Like, and happy life.
07:51 And he was like, no.
07:54 an illustration, just to emphasize that it's not a bad
07:58 thing, it's actually a really good thing.
07:59 Right.
08:04 boundaries that would support a healthy lifestyle?
08:07 And it's fascinating how my acting out or behaving within
08:14 boundaries allows for my internal boundaries to function
08:18 optimally.
08:19 And how that translates.
08:21 Actually, I can change how my internal boundaries function by
08:25 having appropriate boundaries that I live on a daily basis.
08:29 And when you think about it, like, I have a lot of patients
08:32 who will tell me, I don't have time to exercise or I hate
08:37 cooking and therefore I'm not going to.
08:40 And I was like, I get that.
08:41 You know, you're busy and you don't enjoy cooking.
08:44 And those are legitimate, right?
08:47 But if you want to experience optimization of your own
08:51 internal body boundaries, whether that is with diabetes
08:54 or a leaky gut or with brain health or, you know, wherever
08:57 that is, somehow we've got to establish boundaries externally
09:01 that aren't based on how I feel.
09:04 Right?
09:08 these are healthy boundaries.
09:10 You know what I mean?
09:14 them.
09:16 So yeah, so I was thinking, wow, exercise is an experience
09:21 that takes time and boundaries.
09:23 I'm going to make time for this on a consistent basis.
09:25 And it's not something I'm just going to, oh, maybe someday,
09:29 right?
09:32 component of, so I make boundaries around it.
09:36 And sometimes there are time boundaries, sometimes they
09:39 might be, I've had people tell me, I can't exercise at home
09:43 because my husband makes fun of me, or something like that.
09:45 You know, if I try exercising, you know, within the home.
09:47 And that's an opportunity, I mean, that would be a boundary
09:50 that you could express to your husband.
09:52 Sorry, I'm deviating here.
09:54 But you know, like, wow, you know, when you make fun of me
09:57 when I'm exercising, something that I'm really, it's already
10:00 hard for me to do, you know, it's discouraging me.
10:04 And so, I'm going to ask you not to make fun of me anymore.
10:08 You think it's funny, but it's not funny to me.
10:10 You know, and you can communicate that as a healthy
10:12 boundary.
10:15 then you're going to lock the door.
10:16 I'm going to lock the door.
10:17 Something like that.
10:18 You know, I can't have you in this space and tease me.
10:21 Not that your husband would do that, I just use that as an
10:23 illustration of, you Because I think those are really
10:29 important to have, yeah, commitment to boundaries.
10:33 I was just thinking, or your husband could be like Greg, who
10:35 exercises with me.
10:37 One of those people who don't, it's not my favorite thing to
10:39 exercise, so he says, oh, Jilly, let's do it together.
10:42 Every morning, we do it together.
10:44 And he always says, oh, aren't you looking so cute there?
10:47 And I'm like, focus, you're supposed to be exercising.
10:51 It's like our little romantic bonding time over exercise.
10:54 That's great.
10:54 I love it.
10:55 That's great.
10:56 Supporting you.
10:56 That's great.
10:57 Yeah.
10:57 I feel like that is great.
10:58 Yeah, and we need that in every area of life.
11:00 You know, sticking to boundaries, I think that once
11:02 we establish our boundaries, it's really important to own
11:08 them, to respect them ourselves.
11:10 If we don't respect our own boundaries, then people are
11:13 going to walk all over us, and life is going to walk all over
11:15 us, and it's going to happen without our intentional say.
11:19 That's right.
11:20 You know what I mean?
11:20 Yes.
11:25 be able to define my boundaries and what I'm about today and
11:29 who I am, and that actually living a healthy life is really
11:32 important for me because I like the results type of thing.
11:35 People think I love to cook.
11:36 No, I don't love to cook.
11:37 I do it because I like the results.
11:39 My husband likes my food.
11:40 I enjoy eating my food.
11:42 So that's what I think I eat better when I cook, or whatever
11:46 it is.
11:47 You know what I'm saying?
11:50 do, and Dad, I think that permeates so many different
11:54 areas of our life.
11:56 I mentioned exercise, food, you know, just that we think about
11:59 these things and define them.
12:01 And I was thinking how in the Bible, when it says, you know,
12:04 let your yea be yea and your no no, that you're really...
12:09 I was looking at it through the lens of boundaries.
12:11 Amen.
12:12 You know?
12:16 it's to my child, I mean no.
12:18 That's good.
12:22 time or this is important to me, and I say no, I reinforce
12:25 that myself.
12:26 I'm not the bad guy because I'm sticking by that.
12:29 I can come across as the bad guy or people can perceive me
12:31 that way, but ultimately I have to be true to my boundaries.
12:35 And I think our boundaries are set up because they demarcate
12:39 what is like life sustaining and giving and what's
12:43 destructive and bad behavior, right?
12:46 And I'm so glad you stuck with your husband, but I don't think
12:48 all women need to stick with their bad behaving husbands.
12:51 Do you know what I'm saying?
12:54 sort of thing.
12:58 You know what I'm saying?
13:01 woman within a relationship.
13:05 For example, physical abuse.
13:07 Physical abuse.
13:10 that.
13:11 And just keep getting abused.
13:12 You set that boundary.
13:13 You're not touching me.
13:14 Yeah.
13:15 Right?
13:18 I have to step out of that.
13:19 Exactly.
13:20 You know what you said I love because boundaries, we think of
13:25 them sometimes as being restricting, but they're
13:28 protecting everything that you've explained.
13:31 And that's what I think about like God's Ten Commandments.
13:34 I saw this somewhere in Mexico in the high mountains and it
13:40 had this path that was going down that was maybe that wide
13:44 and people are going down on a donkey or something.
13:47 And I'm thinking, you know, that's kind of like the narrow
13:50 path of life.
13:51 And if there was a fence up along there, you wouldn't look
13:55 at that like, oh, I wish this fence weren't here.
13:59 You look at it as protection and that's like what God did
14:02 with his Ten Commandments.
14:03 That's what God does with us.
14:05 Absolutely.
14:09 because you've set my heart free.
14:10 And his commandments are really like, I was looking at the
14:14 first four and like God was setting boundaries.
14:16 Absolutely.
14:20 I want it to be exclusive.
14:22 I want to be who I am in this relationship and not who you
14:25 think I am, right?
14:27 And he outlines, I mean, I'm putting, I'm not quoting the
14:30 commandments specifically, but that's what I see in them as
14:33 boundaries that he is defining the relationship and this is
14:36 how, yeah, to relate to me and to be close to me.
14:40 And if you don't spend time with me on my sabbath, or if
14:44 you disrespect my name, we're not going to be as close as we
14:48 would be, right?
14:49 That's kind of, so there's this, I don't know,
14:52 responsibility, I guess, that comes along with honoring each
14:55 other's boundaries.
14:56 I was thinking of financially, I don't know, you have a bank
15:00 account, Shelley, and I'm sure you have pass codes around it
15:04 and you ensure that where you have your money, there's
15:07 boundaries around it to protect it.
15:09 Why wouldn't you give me your passcode to your bank account?
15:12 Yeah, because, you know, there's so many people who are
15:15 boundary busters and when we think about God, even when
15:19 we're boundary busters with God, he says, I'm with you
15:23 while you're with me, but if you reject me, I'll reject you.
15:27 We have to protect the relationship between husband
15:33 and wife, the relationship between the financial, and I
15:37 don't know where you're going with this, but I just think
15:40 that all boundaries are for our protection.
15:43 They are.
15:48 finite.
15:49 So when I set boundaries, I'm acknowledging I'm not God.
15:53 I can't fill all your needs, whether it's emotionally.
15:55 I can't fill your needs, you know, in every single way or
15:59 I'm not going to give you the access to my bank account
16:02 because I have limited resources and I don't know how
16:05 much you shop yet.
16:07 Do you know what I'm saying?
16:09 Don't tell Angela because she got the degree.
16:13 Because I have limited funds and those funds I'm responsible
16:17 for, you know, doing the best that I can with them and taking
16:21 care of the things that I need to take care of.
16:24 And I see that kind of the same way with ourselves.
16:28 We have limited resources and I can't do everything and be
16:33 everything and I have certain energy.
16:36 Do you know what I'm saying?
16:37 That's right.
16:37 And I'm human.
16:38 And so therefore I set boundaries to sleep enough
16:41 because if I don't, I'm not going to be able to give my
16:44 best to whatever it is that I have during the day if I'm
16:47 sickly or, you know, I'm going to set boundaries on myself for
16:51 these purposes so that I can really show up and be the best
16:55 person I can be, you know, on a daily basis.
16:58 So kind of like what you were saying, protecting but also
17:01 acknowledging I do have limited resources and therefore that's
17:05 why these boundaries are there.
17:06 I love that, Recy.
17:07 I think that's so important.
17:10 Knowing, acknowledging that we are not God, that we can't,
17:13 we're not super women.
17:15 You know, super human beings.
17:17 I mean, we're human beings.
17:19 And we have a kind of an energy bank that we're drawing from.
17:24 And if we're not careful, we'll overdraw.
17:27 So we set boundaries so that we don't overdraw from that energy
17:31 bank.
17:34 And when I set a boundary, it's not a personal thing.
17:37 Right.
17:40 with you on whatever it is.
17:42 I don't know, I should probably think of an example, but it's
17:44 just, no, this is defining, again, me.
17:48 This is my individuality and I'm retaining it while I'm
17:50 still interacting and wanting to give to you.
17:52 But up to this point, maybe a no further.
17:55 I've got a good example that just came to mind when you were
17:57 saying that.
17:59 There are times that, you know, I have to budget my time so
18:02 that I can get major projects done.
18:05 And there are some people who I'm ministering to, they call
18:09 and they want, they'll talk for an hour, hour and a half, you
18:12 can't get them off the phone.
18:13 So what I've done is there's a boundary.
18:16 When I'm doing work hours, I will text them.
18:21 But I can, the text is like a gate that I can let them in and
18:26 then I can shut the gate because it protects that time.
18:30 So I think that when we think of a boundary, it doesn't mean
18:33 that we're not letting someone in.
18:36 It means that we're gatekeepers.
18:39 We're letting them into a healthy space.
18:40 Yes.
18:41 Right?
18:41 Yes.
18:42 Yeah.
18:43 That's what it is, I think.
18:45 Boy, something you said that I wanted to jump off of in
18:48 relation to health.
18:50 I was thinking of, what was it that you just said?
18:55 That you have, I don't know.
19:01 Well, I love what you said earlier too, Risi, about, you
19:06 know, just the way our bodies are designed.
19:10 Isn't that?
19:11 It's phenomenal.
19:13 And when you bring it, you know, when you start thinking
19:15 about how God has designed these bodies, it makes you say,
19:20 it makes you scratch your head.
19:22 How can anybody think that we weren't designed?
19:25 How could anybody think that this is just random?
19:28 It's just amazing.
19:30 Yeah.
19:35 take care of this amazing gift that He gave us, which is our
19:38 lives and our health.
19:40 And that when we, because a lot of times I think we think of
19:42 boundaries imposing on other people, but I need boundaries
19:45 me, right?
19:46 Like I said, this is for myself.
19:48 I can't impose boundaries necessarily on other people.
19:51 They're for me.
19:52 And I see health as really intimately interacting with, do
19:57 I have healthy boundaries for myself?
19:59 That is the best place to start in order for me to see then
20:02 that manifested internally in terms of my physical health.
20:06 That's beautiful.
20:07 You've given me so much to think about.
20:08 I'm just thinking we could sit an hour and learn from that as
20:11 powerful research.
20:12 Let's switch and talk a little bit about ministry, Shelley,
20:15 boundaries and ministry and what does that look like?
20:17 You kind of reference that with that story with sending a text
20:20 instead of always talking on the phone.
20:22 It's interesting when I got this assignment, I was looking
20:25 at it and my topic is divided into three, avoid common
20:30 pitfalls, balance personal and ministry responsibilities and I
20:36 anchored to your calling and I'm thinking, let me start with
20:41 this is setting boundaries on ourself here.
20:44 We find in second Corinthians chapter 10 and verse five that
20:50 we are to take every thought captive and make it obedient to
20:55 Christ.
20:56 So let's talk about common pitfalls.
20:59 And when we talk about ministry, if you are a mother,
21:03 guess what?
21:04 You're in full-time ministry.
21:06 So we're not just talking that somebody that works for the
21:10 church or at an evangelistic type thing, ministry is
21:16 ministry.
21:17 Now here's the void, the common pitfalls, the most common
21:21 pitfall and you can ask anybody that comes to work at 3ABN,
21:24 first thing I tell them, I take them aside and I say, if I ever
21:29 see you develop an ounce of pride, I'm going to take you
21:32 off at the knees before God has to.
21:35 And I say that in absolute love.
21:39 You know, I'm just warning them because pride is, if you buy
21:45 into the hype that you're the best, somebody's telling you
21:50 how good you are, if you think that you're better than anyone
21:54 else, guess what?
21:55 You are not going to be able to stand in ministry.
22:00 And it's interesting when we look at, Jesus was speaking to
22:06 the synagogue leaders and in John 12 43, it said these
22:12 people were believing in him, but they weren't standing up
22:16 for him.
22:16 Why?
22:20 God.
22:22 And see, we can get like that ourselves where maybe we've not
22:27 been affirmed as a child.
22:29 Maybe we need that affirmation.
22:32 Somebody starts telling you something.
22:34 You can fall into the trap of loving praise of men more than
22:39 self.
22:40 Goes right along with this.
22:42 Don't be offended by criticism, what?
22:47 You know, the Lord told me once, the spirit of offense is
22:52 the spirit of pride.
22:54 Think about that for a minute.
22:56 You cannot be offended unless your pride has been wounded.
23:01 And in John 2 24 and 25 says that Jesus didn't entrust
23:06 himself to anyone because he knew what was in the heart of
23:10 men.
23:14 there something I can learn from this?
23:16 If not, then I think I'm not going to let that offend me
23:20 because that's my pride.
23:22 So I pray about it and give it to the Lord.
23:24 Also, don't compare yourself with others.
23:28 That fosters pride more than anything else.
23:32 If you start making a comparison, and it can go both
23:36 directions, I mean, you can start thinking less of
23:40 yourself.
23:40 And you know what?
23:41 That's a prideful thought too.
23:43 What do I mean?
23:45 You are not who you think you are, who anyone else says you
23:49 are.
23:49 You're who God says you are.
23:50 So you're being prideful if you start thinking very little of
23:56 yourself.
24:01 So those are three common pitfalls.
24:04 We want to give God the glory, of course.
24:08 I don't care if you're a wonderful cook, whatever you're
24:11 good at.
24:12 We want to always give God the glory because we can't take
24:16 credit for anything that we do that's good.
24:18 He's the one who has equipped us.
24:21 What do you have that wasn't given to you?
24:24 He not only provides us the talents and the spiritual
24:28 gifts, but even the opportunities.
24:31 Obviously, avoid the attitude of self-assurance because our
24:35 assurance should be in God.
24:37 We've got to take those thoughts captive.
24:41 We need to become like Jesus.
24:46 The Bible definition, if you look at pride, pride is
24:53 reliance on self.
24:55 In Philippians 2, it says, Let this mind be in you that was in
24:59 Christ Jesus, who humbled himself.
25:02 Humility is how you overcome pride.
25:05 Jesus was so humble.
25:06 He only did what the Father said, only spoke what the
25:09 Father said.
25:10 Now, I'm going to say this one.
25:12 Tell me how it hits you as a Christian.
25:14 Here's another common pitfall.
25:17 You can't be all things to all people.
25:21 And there are people who will suck the spiritual life right
25:26 out of you.
25:28 Molly Steenson used to call them spiritual leeches.
25:33 And there was a point to that.
25:36 I had a conference president came up and was talking with me
25:40 once.
25:46 supposed to be writing this book, but I'm doing this, and
25:49 all these people are calling.
25:50 And it was going, going, going.
25:52 And so he said to me, Oh, Shelley, I'll just bet, you
25:57 know, I was talking about who I was ministering to.
25:59 He says, Oh, you're making the devil so happy.
26:02 And I said, Pardon me.
26:03 He said, You're doing all those good things.
26:05 You're making the devil so happy.
26:07 And I said, Pardon me.
26:09 And he said, Satan's really quite happy when you busy
26:13 yourself with little menial things, and we think they're
26:17 good.
26:18 But he said, if he can keep you from doing the greatest thing
26:22 that God's called you to, that's what he's after.
26:26 And that's an interesting thought.
26:28 So I was thinking about this, you know, the Bible in Song of
26:32 Solomon, it talks about the little foxes that spoil the
26:35 vine.
26:40 calls during special time, because those little foxes can
26:44 spoil the vine in a hurry.
26:47 But, you know, somebody might be saying, Oh, that sounds
26:49 awful to say, like, you shouldn't be doing this.
26:52 You can't be all things to all people.
26:54 Jesus, in Mark 1, 37 through 38, they're looking for Jesus,
26:59 but he's keeping his mind on the big picture of his purpose.
27:04 And his disciples come to him and they say, Hey, everybody's
27:08 looking for you.
27:09 Let's go there.
27:10 Everybody's ready to listen to you to pray.
27:14 And Jesus said to them, this is Mark 1, 37, let's go to the
27:19 next towns.
27:20 Even though everybody there wanted him to stay and
27:24 minister, he says that I may preach there also, because for
27:27 this purpose I've come forth.
27:30 Now, another one is to avoid burnout.
27:34 Mm-hmm.
27:35 This is where you learn to say no.
27:39 You've got to set that boundary.
27:40 And I'll say this.
27:43 I thrive on short-term stress.
27:47 When I've got a deadline, I am motivated.
27:50 Short-term stress gets me going.
27:54 Long-term stress that never goes away, because I'm over
27:58 -committed.
28:03 project, long-term stress has just the opposite.
28:07 It can lead to burnout.
28:09 So you want to learn not to take on tasks that aren't
28:14 really, according to your calling, what God has asked you
28:18 to do.
28:19 And how do you know when you're burned out?
28:21 You can start feeling apathetic.
28:23 You can start feeling unmotivated, frustrated, empty.
28:30 You notice your health is something is different in your
28:34 health.
28:36 So we need to give ourselves permission to, you know, we
28:41 might feel like there's a lack of support.
28:43 We need to give ourselves permission to take a break.
28:46 I'm a workaholic.
28:47 My husband's a workaholic.
28:51 And that's something at this age you would think God would
28:55 have.
28:56 It's not God.
28:57 He's trying.
28:58 But I'm still learning.
29:01 I laughed about balancing personal and ministerial
29:05 responsibilities because it's still a struggle for me.
29:11 But here is something I told JD.
29:13 I said, I don't know what I'm going to say on this.
29:15 He said, honey, you're the most balanced person I know.
29:19 He said, I don't know anyone more balanced than you.
29:22 And I said, yeah, but not always as far as what I should
29:26 be doing for our personal time.
29:28 He says, I'm happy.
29:29 Okay, good.
29:33 But here in balancing professional duties with
29:39 ministerial duties, and remember mamas, if you're a
29:42 mama or a daddy, you're in a full-time ministry.
29:45 We're not just talking about people who are preachers.
29:48 Prioritize your relationship with the Lord first.
29:52 I mean, this is something that you've got to have that prayer
29:54 time.
29:55 You have to to survive.
29:57 You have to have that time in the word to get.
30:02 It's just like when you're praying, it opens up your lungs
30:06 and then you're getting fed by the word.
30:09 Take that Sabbath.
30:10 You know, the problem with being in ministry, church
30:12 ministry, sometimes Sabbaths aren't a day off for us quite
30:16 often.
30:17 That's true.
30:17 And so I tell people this.
30:21 I'm trying to live by what I say, but I tell pastors then
30:25 you need to take Sunday off.
30:27 You know, if you're ministering on the Sabbath, you're
30:30 observing the Sabbath, but you've got to put a boundary
30:33 around time off.
30:37 And then you've got to learn to budget your time among all
30:41 these other categories.
30:44 Jesus was, he said, Seek first the kingdom of God and all of
30:49 these will be added to you.
30:50 Well, I like what Paul says in Ephesians 5.
30:54 I'm going to read 15 and 16 from the Amplified.
30:58 Look carefully then how you walk, live purposefully and
31:03 worthily and accurately, not as unwise and witless, but as
31:09 wise, sensible, intelligent people, making the most of the
31:14 time, buying up each opportunity because the days
31:18 are evil.
31:20 So please, I'm going to speak to pastors right now.
31:24 Okay.
31:25 When you're in ministry, God's first, your family needs to
31:30 come second.
31:31 That's right.
31:32 Your family comes before your church because the Bible tells
31:36 us in 1 Timothy 3.5 that if you can't minister to the family,
31:42 if you can't manage the family and God has put you there,
31:47 you've got to learn how to maintain love in the home,
31:49 resolve conflicts.
31:51 You've got to build that unity and intimacy with and serve
31:56 your family members.
31:57 If you can't do that, then you can't serve the church.
32:00 So you've got God, the family, your ministry.
32:04 And the only way when we talk about budgeting time for my
32:09 life, it's never been practical to say, I'm going to do 30
32:13 minutes of this today, 45 minutes of this and this.
32:17 But I do try to protect it on a weekly basis.
32:20 There's certain things you try to do daily.
32:23 But I can't always say, I'm going to get this project done
32:26 in this much time.
32:29 Personal well-being.
32:32 That's one that I've got the most difficulty with is I will
32:36 ignore my health until it's, you know, I need to learn to do
32:41 better.
32:42 Know your limits.
32:44 I think of the story in Exodus chapter 18 where Jethro comes,
32:51 Moses is doing all of this stuff and Jethro's going,
32:55 you're crazy.
32:56 You know, you need to appoint able-bodied men.
32:59 You need to have people who can help you lead these people.
33:04 They'll just bring the difficult things to you.
33:07 So we've got to know our limitation and assess your
33:12 priorities regularly and be ready to actually change them.
33:19 Priorities don't always stay the same.
33:24 One thing that, when I've got a big project that, you'll laugh
33:28 at this, you know I've been in a lot of pain, but when I've
33:31 got a big project to do, I can only be up for about 15 minutes
33:36 at a time before I'm in pretty serious pain.
33:39 So I cook in 15 minute intervals, but I enjoy cooking.
33:42 I like my cooking and JD does as well.
33:46 But when I've got a big project to do, like a house project and
33:49 you're looking at that and thinking, that's an hour, what
33:53 I'll do is I'll set a timer and I'll go do it for 15 minutes
33:57 and I come rest my back.
33:59 I love this little block puzzle that I do.
34:03 So I give myself permission to do a block puzzle before I get
34:06 up again and do it in another 15 minutes.
34:09 You know, how do you eat an elephant?
34:11 One bite at a time, right?
34:14 So there's, but let me talk about staying anchored to your
34:19 calling.
34:19 We're all called to minister.
34:21 That's right.
34:25 is a season, a time to every purpose under heaven.
34:30 God does, when we are called, He will make everything
34:34 beautiful in its time.
34:36 Sometimes you've got to write the vision, make it plain, wait
34:40 for it, as Habakkuk says, we don't always, when I was
34:46 writing Spotless, God gave me the title for Spotless in 2017.
34:52 Now, Jill, you used to say to me the purpose for me, you call
34:57 me the Covenant Queen, but you used to say the purpose that
35:00 God brought you to 3ABN was to teach people how to speak His
35:04 Word, you know, exalting His Word, life affirmations from
35:07 Scripture.
35:08 Powerful.
35:13 your next book, you know, I've written several in between, but
35:16 your next book is going to be called Spotless on
35:18 Righteousness by Faith.
35:20 Now you might ask, why did you wait five or six years to write
35:24 it then?
35:31 stay anchored to Him.
35:33 The only way that I can tell you how to stay anchored to
35:37 your purpose is learn to listen for the still small voice of
35:43 the Lord.
35:44 It is so important.
35:45 We know that Christ is the anchor for our soul, our hope
35:51 in Him, but we need to be still before the Lord.
35:55 We know that we get into His Word.
35:58 We're running the race with endurance, looking to Jesus,
36:02 the author and finisher of our faith.
36:05 But the Word, one of God's calling on all of our life is
36:10 sanctification.
36:12 This is the will of God, your sanctification, Paul said.
36:16 But God, I believe, has special projects from time to time, and
36:20 usually He'll give you a passion for it, like somebody
36:22 will.
36:27 have a shop.
36:32 Consignment?
36:33 Thrift shop?
36:34 Well, the thrift shop.
36:35 The thrift shop that would support.
36:38 God gave her a passion.
36:40 That was her purpose.
36:41 But sometimes your purpose changes.
36:44 So learn to get to know God so well.
36:48 Jesus said, My sheep hear my voice.
36:50 They follow me.
36:52 That you need to learn to sit before the Lord and say, Lord,
36:56 speak to my heart.
36:57 And He never, my experience, I can only speak from my
37:01 experience.
37:02 He gives you a little bit at a time.
37:04 He doesn't tell you everything that's going to happen.
37:07 Maybe a sentence or two sentences.
37:09 But then He builds on that.
37:13 The more He puts something in your heart, it becomes a
37:16 passion.
37:17 Then He builds on it.
37:18 And you know you're headed in the right direction as He opens
37:21 all the doors.
37:22 So God is a boundary-making, boundary-keeping God.
37:26 He does it for our freedom, for our protection.
37:31 But we need to learn how to set boundaries around our own
37:36 behavior.
37:38 And we also need to prayerfully ask Him to keep us from being
37:42 boundary busters.
37:45 You know, if you realize you've done that, you need to go and
37:49 apologize.
37:51 Define that boundary buster.
37:54 A boundary buster is, let's say that I know Jill has a certain
37:59 boundary and I cross that boundary.
38:04 And she gets turned off by that because she's already
38:08 established that boundary.
38:10 We all do.
38:14 sometimes not meaning to.
38:17 But when you recognize that you have crossed somebody's
38:20 personal boundary, you need to go and apologize.
38:23 That's with the workplace too and what Jill's going to talk
38:26 about also.
38:28 Yeah, definitely.
38:30 Do you mind if I comment on something that you shared
38:33 earlier about the offense and not being offended, right?
38:37 And the pride link.
38:38 And I totally agree with that.
38:41 I just want to add something to that though and see what you
38:44 think.
38:45 I find that sometimes when we interact with each other, we
38:47 can say things that are inappropriate.
38:50 And there was a time where a family member or even myself,
38:54 I'll use myself as an example, people would always want to
38:58 comment on my weight.
38:59 Like first thing, especially family members, always talking
39:02 about my weight.
39:03 And, you know, how would you like it if someone always
39:06 commented on your weight when the first time you see it?
39:08 And I see this happening.
39:10 Oh, you've gained a little bit of weight, haven't you?
39:11 Oh, you're so skinny.
39:12 How come you're so skinny?
39:13 You're so skinny.
39:14 You know, these kinds of things that repeatedly being said, do
39:17 I have to?
39:18 It doesn't offend me, but after a while I'm like, you know
39:20 what?
39:22 And so I'm going to ask you if we can not talk about my weight
39:25 anymore type of thing, something like that.
39:28 And it's not an offense thing as much as it is a, I just
39:32 don't want to talk about that, especially if it's, you know,
39:35 if it's, if it is kind of hurtful, someone who maybe is
39:37 struggling with their weight.
39:38 I've been, I had someone at 3ABN who introduced me at a
39:44 meeting and made light, made joking about my height.
39:49 And it was over the top joking.
39:51 And I've been six feet tall since I was 13.
39:54 Well, I'm not really quite six feet, but so I've had a lot of
39:57 joking and it doesn't, it doesn't amaze me that first
40:02 thing somebody says, whoa, you're tall.
40:05 That doesn't bother me.
40:06 I don't get offended even when someone uses words that could
40:10 be offensive.
40:11 But when it's somebody who knows me and in a purse, and
40:15 boy, I'll tell you what, you know what happened?
40:17 This was a live event and I went behind, he'd introduced me
40:22 and then I had to come out and I'm back there trying to say,
40:25 okay, Lord, I know my pride was wounded because I'm so
40:27 offended.
40:29 And I got out there and I started on my sermon and I had
40:33 to stop.
40:34 And I said, there's just no anointing here.
40:36 And I told the people, I'm dealing with a personal issue
40:39 of pride.
40:40 I need to pray.
40:42 And I started, I mean, I was four or five minutes into the
40:46 sermon, but I just started over.
40:49 Because you can't minister when you're in that spirit.
40:54 I mean, you can, you can tell the words of the Lord, but
40:57 there's no anointing there.
40:59 So it's, what you said is, yes, I think it's personally that
41:04 you should go.
41:05 And I had to go and tell this person, do you realize you
41:09 always crack a joke about my height?
41:11 Do you say offensive things?
41:15 And they've quit.
41:16 Yeah, good.
41:18 And sometimes I think people don't recognize, they don't
41:20 recognize that they've crossed a boundary, or they don't
41:22 recognize that you're maybe sensitive about that topic.
41:26 I'm not saying you're over sensitive, Shelley, I didn't
41:28 mean it that way, but sometimes we don't recognize that, that
41:31 this is somebody's button and I'm beginning to push it.
41:34 And just to have open communication with each other,
41:39 like you told this person, you know, that's starting to get a
41:42 little bothersome.
41:43 And praise the Lord to be able to openly dialogue about that.
41:47 Yes.
41:47 I love that.
41:48 An opportunity to respect you.
41:50 Yes.
41:51 Oh, I didn't realize that.
41:52 I want to respect you.
41:53 I won't do that again.
41:54 Yeah, right.
41:55 That's so powerful.
41:56 I love that.
41:57 Thank you, Shelley.
41:58 That's powerful.
41:59 My topic is setting healthy boundaries between work and
42:03 faith.
42:04 And what does that look like?
42:06 I divided into two sections.
42:08 We're going to set healthy boundaries between work and
42:10 faith.
42:13 Then the second half is going to be, how do we integrate
42:16 Christian values into the workplace?
42:19 What does that look like?
42:22 Now, you know me, I could have a whole bunch of lists, but I
42:24 tried to keep it to two and two so we don't have too much here.
42:27 And then we want to make sure we have time to talk together
42:29 here at the end.
42:30 If we look at setting healthy boundaries between work and
42:33 faith, number one, observe when work creeps into your faith or
42:40 creeps over your faith or starts to take over your faith.
42:45 This is really building, Shelley, on what you had talked
42:47 about with that burnout.
42:50 Being all things to all people, I can definitely fall in the
42:55 category of overwork.
42:57 That's just my personality.
42:59 It's who I am.
43:00 I don't know.
43:00 It's just in my DNA.
43:02 If something needs to be done, I got to get it done.
43:05 It's just who I am as a person.
43:08 And recognizing that my work can creep over into my faith.
43:15 You can literally be too busy in ministry that you neglect
43:23 your own personal walk with God, your own personal time,
43:30 your own relationship with other people.
43:34 I love what you said, Reece, talking about Pastor James with
43:38 you were like, okay, I'm going to get rid of the cell phone or
43:40 get rid of the computer.
43:41 We're just going to stomp on it or throw it out.
43:43 Greg and I have established because work is never done.
43:49 It's always there.
43:51 Even when we go to bed at night, sometimes we'll be
43:53 talking work.
43:55 Greg's like, oh, we could try this.
43:57 What if we do this?
43:58 We could do this initiative.
44:00 And sometimes we'll be like, oh, let's just not talk work.
44:05 Let's just set work aside.
44:07 When we have supper, come home at night, we always put our
44:11 phones aside.
44:12 And if the cell phone rings, we don't answer it.
44:14 And if somebody texts, we don't look at it.
44:16 And it's him and I time, just us together, just to talk, just
44:21 to connect.
44:23 Sometimes we talk about work because we both live, eat,
44:25 breathe, and experience 3ABN.
44:27 But other times it's push that aside and let's just have us
44:30 time.
44:35 protect your time with God.
44:37 So number one, just observe when work starts to encroach
44:40 over onto your faith.
44:42 And number two, protect your time with God.
44:45 Protect your time with your spouse or with your children,
44:49 with other people.
44:50 Protect that.
44:51 I think about Mark 1.
44:53 Mark chapter 1, this is Jesus in the synagogue, just
44:56 launching into ministry.
44:58 He's in Capernaum there.
44:59 He stands up and the people are astonished at his doctrine.
45:02 Wow, nobody spoke as Jesus spoke.
45:04 And then he heals the demon possessed man.
45:07 And then ministry continues.
45:09 That night at Peter's house, the word of God says that the
45:13 whole city came together.
45:15 They wanted to be healed.
45:17 They wanted a piece of Jesus.
45:19 There was, I'm sure lame or blind or the Bible doesn't tell
45:22 us, but many people who wanted to be healed.
45:26 And so what does Jesus do?
45:27 If you look at Mark 1 verse 35, now in the morning, having
45:33 risen a long while before daylight.
45:35 So this is the night before he was ministering.
45:37 The night before everybody was there seeking healing.
45:40 And then the next morning, a great while before daylight, he
45:44 went out, departed to a solitary place and they're
45:47 praying.
45:50 The other piece for me that has been so instrumental in my own
45:56 experience here at 3ABN has been not just that morning
46:01 time, that early time with God, which is so important, but it's
46:05 bringing God back into my mind flow throughout the day.
46:11 Shelly, you reference that scripture in 2 Corinthians, 2
46:15 Corinthians 10, casting down arguments or imaginations and
46:18 every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of
46:21 God and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience
46:25 of Christ.
46:27 What does that really mean?
46:29 And I remember being at a moment in time, Greg and I
46:33 talking and me saying, but there's so much to do.
46:37 But I don't know how to get it all done.
46:39 But I'm feeling overwhelmed.
46:43 And then I thought we could implement strategies.
46:47 We could delegate as Jethro.
46:48 We could, there's so many things that you can do, which
46:51 is all good things to implement.
46:53 But when I thought about the life of Christ, was he pressed?
46:57 Did he have serious decisions to deal with?
46:59 Did he have people clamoring at all moments for him?
47:04 And how did he handle it?
47:07 And that's when that concept came.
47:10 Bring Jesus back to my mind.
47:14 Walk with Jesus throughout the day.
47:17 You see, it's not just in the morning you have your time and
47:21 then you go to work, whatever work is for you and you push
47:24 faith aside.
47:25 No, you bring faith with you.
47:28 You bring Jesus with you.
47:31 I mean, every moment, every minute or every few minutes,
47:36 God, what do you want me to do here?
47:38 God, how do I answer this person?
47:40 God, I'm feeling pressed right now.
47:41 Give me your peace.
47:43 God, open up whatever.
47:44 And as I walked that journey, I experienced more freedom, more
47:53 peace, more deliverance.
47:56 It was simply Jesus walking with me.
47:59 Practicing his presence.
48:01 Yes, nothing else changed, but I changed inside.
48:06 And to see that.
48:08 Now, do I practice it all the time?
48:09 Absolutely not.
48:10 But on the days when I experience it more, it's
48:14 incredible.
48:15 Now, let me just jump to the second part.
48:17 How do we integrate Christian values into the workplace?
48:20 I would say, number one, love your faith.
48:23 Number two, live your faith.
48:25 What do I mean by love your faith?
48:27 You can't integrate into the workplace what you don't know.
48:30 You can't share the Sabbath if you don't know the Sabbath.
48:32 You can't share how to accept Jesus and to be saved if you
48:37 don't know, if you have not experienced that yourself.
48:41 You can't practice what you don't love.
48:44 We need to love and experience Jesus.
48:47 And then we can live our faith.
48:51 Then we can share our faith with others.
48:54 And when we talk about living your faith, to me, it is just a
48:57 couple things.
48:58 I'll run through them real quick.
49:00 Live with integrity in the workplace.
49:03 Be honest.
49:05 Always tell the truth, regardless of if you're laughed
49:09 at, or if you're fired over telling the truth, or if you
49:12 might lose a friend or a relationship.
49:16 Be honest.
49:17 Now, we need kindness with how we tell the truth.
49:19 I'm not saying to be unkind, but tell the truth.
49:22 Be trustworthy.
49:24 Be reliable in what you say.
49:26 Be true to your word.
49:27 This is really living the gospel.
49:29 It's living Christianity.
49:31 Be loyal.
49:33 Don't cheat or lie.
49:35 Don't complain.
49:36 Be ethical.
49:38 Do the right thing, regardless of the consequences.
49:41 Avoid even the appearance of deception or fraud or
49:48 immorality.
49:49 Take the high road.
49:51 Be encouraging of your coworkers.
49:56 Be excellent.
49:57 Do excellent work.
49:59 All of that is just, to me, Christian principles.
50:01 That as we inculcate and as we live them, it's living the
50:08 Christian life.
50:09 And it's living out what we believe in the workplace.
50:13 So, we're coming down to the end of this hour, these two
50:17 hours, talking about boundaries.
50:22 Let's shift just a moment and talk about those people maybe
50:28 who are struggling with implementing boundaries.
50:32 Maybe they feel, I'm not going to be a nice person.
50:36 People aren't going to like me if I implement them.
50:39 Or it's hard for me to stand up for myself.
50:43 It's hard for me to implement that.
50:46 What would you say to them?
50:48 It certainly was hard for me.
50:51 I grew up in a very dysfunctional environment and I
50:53 learned to be the peacemaker.
50:56 And I have always been a people pleaser, even with God, before
51:01 I knew the whole truth.
51:03 You know, it's very performance based.
51:07 But I think that what I've learned is it's good to learn a
51:11 few little phrases.
51:12 God is a boundary keeping God.
51:17 And what I have learned, just if you learn little things like
51:21 you could say to somebody that's doing something, your
51:25 behavior is unacceptable.
51:28 I'm surprised at how fast people respond to that word
51:31 when you say your behavior is unacceptable.
51:34 You know, there's certain things we set ourselves up for
51:39 because we don't communicate our emotional needs.
51:45 But it's also that you can, when you're talking about this,
51:49 I'm thinking real quick, I'll tell you a story.
51:51 I worked in Houston in a company that was a high tech
51:55 company and the IT director was at work.
52:02 Everybody at work was scared to death of him.
52:04 This man spoke so crudely, he cursed all the time, used God's
52:09 name in vain, and he just didn't like anybody.
52:12 So I had to go work with him one day.
52:15 And I just told him, I said, you know, could you do me a
52:18 favor?
52:18 I'm a Christian.
52:19 And I said, it just crushes my soul when you use the Lord's
52:24 name in vain, or when you use these particular words, and you
52:28 know, something that was funny, he respected me.
52:33 He never talked that way around me anymore.
52:36 He got along better with me than with anyone else there.
52:39 So some people need, you're actually ministering to others
52:45 when you set boundaries and you need to teach your children how
52:49 to set boundaries so that they can be healthy.
52:52 Life's good.
52:54 And you're giving people permission to set their own
52:56 boundaries for themselves.
52:57 I was just going to say that I think that it's really
52:59 important that each person have a God-given self-respect and
53:06 self -worth in their individuality.
53:08 And that that's what defines why we have the boundaries that
53:11 we do is that under God, I'm responsible to him.
53:13 And like you said, he comes first.
53:15 And so my God-given individuality is to be
53:18 maintained at all times under his authority and the
53:22 boundaries that I do set up are for that purpose of keeping him
53:26 first in my life and his will for my life thriving and that
53:30 sort of thing.
53:34 yourself, kind of like that backbone that we were talking
53:37 about earlier that we don't meld ourself or melt into
53:40 someone else.
53:41 And therefore your worth, your respect is key to, you know,
53:47 your self-respect is key to experiencing the ability, I
53:51 guess, to establish healthy boundaries for yourself.
53:54 I love that.
53:55 Do you have any thoughts on it?
53:56 No, I'm sorry.
53:57 No, okay.
53:58 I was just like all into what Rishi was saying.
54:01 Sorry.
54:02 Say right there what happened.
54:04 She set a boundary.
54:05 I love that.
54:07 This is good.
54:08 That's fabulous.
54:10 Since you have any thoughts on it.
54:12 Well, setting boundaries really means being a good steward,
54:16 really.
54:21 time, whether it's our influence, whatever it is,
54:24 we're managing that again to bring God glory.
54:28 But I love what you've been saying, Jill, about the whole
54:33 idea of bringing God into the workplace.
54:36 And when you're in ministry, so many times you've spent so much
54:40 time talking about the Lord and talking about ministry aspects
54:47 and all that, that you let that substitute for the time that
54:52 you spend with him just one-on -one.
54:55 And I think it's really important, Shelly, as you were
54:58 bringing out, that we have to make sure that we make God
55:02 first and that we don't forget to talk to him and to spend
55:08 that one-on-one time.
55:10 It's like your date time with him, right?
55:12 It's your date time with him.
55:14 We need to have that special time.
55:16 So I think what you said was really, really good, Jill.
55:19 And I think we need to really think more about how we bring
55:22 God into the workplace.
55:25 Yeah, and understanding that those boundaries, I think
55:28 sometimes the reason why people feel intimidated to set
55:31 boundaries is because we see them as so rigid and it's a
55:34 negative thing, but they're really not.
55:36 To picture again that flexibility, that fluidity,
55:39 that ability to actually establish healthier interaction
55:43 and relationship, that's why you're setting them, to keep
55:46 that in mind.
55:49 healthy way, that makes a difference.
55:51 And it's not rigid.
55:52 That's right.
55:53 We're going to go out with prayer here tonight, but I just
55:55 want to say, I love each one of you.
55:57 What a gift to serve in the ministry with you.
56:00 Thank you for your authenticity and transparency, your heart
56:03 for God and the Word.
56:05 Know at home, we love you too.
56:07 You are part of the 3ABN family and you are welcome at any time
56:12 to reach out to us.
56:13 You can give us a call or send us an email.
56:16 We want to connect with you.
56:17 We want to pray for you.
56:19 We want to see God work to restore our relationships and
56:22 lives and establish those boundaries.
56:25 So we're going to go out with prayer.
56:27 So know we love you and we will see you next time.
56:29 Angela, would you pray for us?
56:31 And we'll just close with prayer here.
56:32 Thank you.
56:37 and we ask you to please guide us and lead us in our everyday
56:40 lives, Lord, at work and at home, Lord.
56:44 We just ask you to give us the strength and the wisdom to set
56:47 those boundaries that you want us to set in our life in a
56:50 godly way, Lord.
56:51 And please lead us to you, Lord.
56:54 And thank you for everyone that watched today, Lord.
56:57 May you touch their lives and the mothers, Lord.
57:00 Please be with the mothers.
57:01 They're so special.
57:02 And thank you for all you do for us.
57:04 And thank you for 3ABN and how your hands always on it and
57:08 continue to bless us and be with us because this is your
57:10 ministry in Christ's name.
57:12 Amen.


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