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Overcoming Addictions

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00:30 Everyone knows that addictions are harmful because they often
00:34 cause physical, psychological, social, and financial problems
00:40 for people who struggle with them.
00:41 Addictions kill thousands of people every year and impact
00:46 millions of lives. Addiction is an intense craving for something
00:51 that you know is bad for you but you just can't seem to stop.
00:56 Somehow this thing has gotten a hold on you without your
01:00 realizing it and now it has you strongly in its grasp.
01:04 We long for that state of euphoria, pleasure, and happiness
01:09 so we keep coming back for more only to discover
01:13 that the more we indulge, the less fulfilled we feel.
01:17 If you are searching for the keys to fulfillment and
01:20 lasting happiness, then join me Gary Kent as we discuss
01:25 the science behind addictions with a special guest
01:29 and uncover the secrets that can set people free
01:33 and bring us happiness.
01:56 No one ever intends to become addicted, but at sometime
02:01 when we feel sad or empty on the inside,
02:03 we search for something to make us feel better. We make a choice
02:08 and we reason that just doing it once won't hurt us.
02:12 We feel that we are still in control of our lives,
02:16 but maybe we aren't as in control as we thought.
02:20 In fact statistics show that
02:26 over
02:32 which is the highest rate of gambling in the world.
02:35 In fact, we gamble away $23 billion dollars a year
02:40 and it's increasing every year.
02:42 Sometimes we choose alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, gambling,
02:47 gaming, or even seemingly harmless things like
02:50 social media, sugar, and chocolate, to give us a few
02:54 moments of pleasure. We long for that feeling so we keep
02:59 coming back for more until soon we're in a vicious cycle
03:03 of indulge, binge, feel guilty and then we do it all over
03:08 again. Drug abuse is escalating around the world at an alarming
03:14 rate. Statistics reveal that one in ten people
03:18 are addicted to alcohol.
03:20 Although we think it is our choice what we do,
03:23 the results of our addictions can seriously impact the people
03:27 around us through related crime, disease,
03:31 and mental health issues. Addictions destroy marriages,
03:35 friendships, careers, and threaten a person's basic health
03:39 and safety.
03:41 What started the path to pleasure and happiness
03:44 ends in emptiness, heartache, and brokeness.
03:49 If you think you know someone battling an addiction,
03:54 and you would like to learn more about the warning signs
03:57 and find out what you can do to help, then join me as we visit
04:02 Doctor Neil Nedley, a specialist in internal medicine
04:05 with an emphasis on mental health and lifestyle medicine.
04:09 Doctor Nedley is the president of Weimar Health Institute
04:14 and is the author of the acclaimed Depression and
04:18 Anxiety Recovery Program. He's done extensive research
04:21 into addictions, how to identify them, what causes them,
04:25 and the damage they do to our brains and what it takes to
04:30 untangle yourself from them when they have taken a hold
04:33 on you.
04:38 Dr. Nedley, It's a pleasure to have you on our program
04:41 today to discuss this important topic.
04:44 What are the most common addictions today that people
04:47 are struggling with?
04:48 Well, it's great to be here again Gary, thanks for having me
04:51 and the most common addictions are actually becoming more
04:55 common but there are many.
04:57 There are Benzodiazepine addictions these are drugs
05:02 like Zanax, Ativan, Lorazepam, Alprazolam, there's a whole
05:07 class in there's a host of people in the western society
05:12 that are addicted to the these drugs.
05:14 Even more serious are the narcotic addictions
05:19 these are pain relievers, morphine and it can get even
05:23 into the point of heroin. In fact in the United States
05:28 and Australia deaths due to overdose of those narcotics
05:32 are rising rapidly and it's actually due to the addictive
05:39 component of these drugs and needing more and more.
05:42 Now in addition of course alcohol, some of the ones that
05:46 been around for a long time, alcoholism is still way too
05:51 high and still kills many people prematurely.
05:56 We also have tobacco and some people actually kind of because
06:03 these other addictions gotten so big so we forget about
06:05 the big tobacco problem.
06:07 Some of the other addictions are gambling which is rapidly
06:11 rising in western societies and also sexual addictions,
06:17 pornography is at an all-time high in both males and females.
06:22 Female pornography rapidly rising significantly
06:27 in the western world.
06:29 And in regards to self-mutilation just to show you how rapidly
06:35 some of these addictions are rising, in 1993 only 1%
06:42 of girls or females under the age of 25 cut.
06:47 Now at that time, that was seen as a lot because
06:50 self-mutilation was very rare, much more rare prior to
06:54 this in the 50's and '60s and 70's but every seven years
07:00 there's a national survey and in 2000, 2% at the age of 25 cut
07:06 in 2007 it was 4%, so you can see the exponential rise
07:12 and so in 2014, 25.6%, so even broke the exponential curve
07:20 that was forming before, one out four females now self-mutilate
07:25 under the age of 25 and this is due the active component
07:31 Yes, there's anxiety and depression in those things
07:33 behind it but when people self-medicate through these
07:38 types of addictions it actually starts to accelerate and so
07:44 they don't want to do it per sae but they don't know how to stop
07:49 and that's one of the characteristics of addictions.
07:52 Are there other addictions that we are not aware of?
07:55 Yeah, there are a lot of addictions out there that
07:58 people don't actually don't necessarily classify that way
08:01 but they actually fit the addiction definition.
08:06 Caffeine is an addictive drug and so coffee, Pepsi, Coca-Cola,
08:12 Mountain Dew, all these thing actually are addictive.
08:16 And of course, it's a good commercial business enterprise
08:20 when you can when you can give somebody something that is
08:23 addictive because they are going to go back to it and that's
08:26 how business's thrive is to put things that are addictive
08:30 in these types of beverages and food.
08:33 Marijuana actually is addictive and there are people that have
08:37 denied that but we've had many marijuana patients
08:39 come and they have withdrawal, nausea, vomiting when they're
08:44 on it on a regular basis in consuming large amounts.
08:48 And then there are things like sugar, sugar can be quite
08:55 addictive and there are non- substances as well like
09:01 technology, social media can be addictive, entertainment on
09:07 television, a rapid scene of reference changes, movies,
09:10 people can get addicted to entertainment television movies.
09:14 Gaming, video gaming, a huge addiction and it can be quite
09:21 problematic, even entertainment sports and particularly watching
09:27 sports can fit that classification of addiction.
09:31 And then music, particularly the music that has a syncopated
09:37 rhythm. Now some music is actually not addictive,
09:39 other music is addictive, this is why some people say,
09:43 well, I have an addiction to food, that's not really true,
09:46 they're only addicted to some foods and it's the sugary foods
09:52 that tend to have that addictive component and it's the syncopated
09:56 rhythm aspect of music that tends to be addictive
09:59 and also not healthy as far as the frontal lobe is concerned.
10:03 Gaming is a big issue, we have a lot of people come to our
10:08 program with this addiction and it's rapidly rising.
10:12 They even have gaming sporting events online and things where
10:18 they'll give prizes so people are trying to get better and
10:21 better at these video games and they can encompass
10:24 14/16 hours a day where they're just totally engrossed
10:29 and they think, boy, there's this prize at the end,
10:32 I can get better. But the problem is, there's millions
10:35 of others trying to do the same thing and it is a rapidly rising
10:41 addiction that causes all sorts of mental health problems
10:44 and then they don't know how they can get away from it
10:49 and they end up in our program before they are able
10:53 to get the victory over their gaming habits.
10:57 A lot of us are involved in some of these activities
11:00 how do we know whether we are addicted?
11:03 Well, some of the clues that we are addicted are if we are
11:08 lying about our behavior, that's a major clue in other words
11:13 kind of denying when someone asks us if we're involved
11:17 in this or we act like as we are not involved as we are.
11:21 If we notice that we are needing a little more of this
11:25 and there is this craving, this kind of need and then
11:30 also, if we stop using it if we actually feel kind of worse,
11:35 in other words, if we are having kind of withdraw symptoms
11:38 those are major clues that there is an addiction there.
11:42 And of course the other aspect of it is the addiction is often
11:47 what the addicted person doesn't realize is there is an adverse
11:51 effect on them and others. So are others being adversely
11:54 affected? Can you admit that you are actually being adversely
11:59 affected? Those are out there, that is a major clue
12:03 that there is an addiction there.
12:05 In fact, a study was done recently showing that those in
12:10 generation Z which is the young generation, those born after
12:15 1995, 40% of them actually admit to being addicted to their
12:20 IPhone or their electronic device in fact they can't
12:24 even imagine life without them and so their life seems to
12:28 totally centered in these devices but yet we recognize
12:33 things are not going right with these kids, they're that way.
12:35 They are not relating right socially more inept,
12:39 they don't have good strong relationships with their parents
12:42 and their siblings, their ability to learn is down
12:46 and their ability to manage their emotions and so
12:49 some have intuitively put two and two together but a good
12:53 share of people do not recognize
12:55 what this is causing until they see the evidence.
12:59 And then once they see the studies and the evidence
13:02 are becoming abundant, just look up complications are
13:05 risks of devices and you'll be able to see some of the
13:09 studies...Then they realize, you know what a lot of my
13:13 problems I had no idea was linked to this gripping device,
13:17 I carry around in my pocket all the time and I'm having
13:20 trouble staying off of.
13:21 And so they need to be educated and that's why I'm glad for
13:26 shows like your' s Gary that are getting the word out there.
13:29 Because the technology companies are not going to get the word
13:32 out there. Dr. Nedley, how do addictions
13:35 work? How do they such a hold on us?
13:38 How addictions work and how they take hold of us,
13:41 actually has to do with brain chemistry...They're involving
13:44 our dopamine pathway. And addictive substances actually
13:49 more of a surge in a spike in dopamine levels
13:54 and so it can get us up into a euphoric stage, particularly
13:59 the first few times we are using the addictive substance.
14:02 And then the dopamine starts to go down pretty fast
14:08 as well, but at first it just goes down a little less than
14:13 neutral, but the more we utilize the substance, the less surge
14:17 we're getting the dopamine isn't going up as high now.
14:21 But in between times our levels are going far less than neutral
14:27 and after we use it hundreds of times, we're actually
14:31 no longer using it for euphoria we're just using it to feel
14:35 neutral or numb. And in between times there's this deep
14:40 distressing sense of deprivation even though there's nothing
14:43 bad going on in your life, and so in reality we first do it
14:49 in order to gain this pleasure and this euphoria but eventually
14:54 we're only to get numb. But because this process is so
14:58 gradual, we often don't recognize that we're actually
15:03 getting far less dopamine in our day above neutral
15:06 than what we used to get before we ever had this addiction
15:10 to begin with. And so what's interesting is people that
15:14 aren't addicted to substances they actually have dopamine
15:19 levels far above neutral the vast majority of their day
15:23 because simple things just resolved in pleasurable
15:26 activities and pleasurable levels of dopamine
15:30 without it surging downwards. So going for a nice walk
15:33 for instance, if you're not addicted, that can produce a
15:36 nice dopamine high and it will last much longer than going to
15:40 and addictive substance.
15:42 Reading a good book, listening to healthy music,
15:47 these things can produce nice dopamine levels and what the
15:50 addict does not realize, they get to the point where they're
15:53 thinking, you know this is bad for most people but
15:57 because of who I am, I need this, I need this
16:00 because without it, I'm just in bad shape,
16:03 but they don't realize that if they recovered,
16:06 their happiness and success and fulfillment in life
16:10 would be far greater than this dependency to have to go back
16:15 to this in order to try to feel more neutral or normal.
16:18 What is the best way to over- come an addiction?
16:22 The best way to overcome an addiction is to first recognize
16:26 that your habit is destructive that it's not healthy for you
16:30 and it's not healthy for people around you and that you can
16:34 actually live a far better life once you recover and
16:37 get over this addiction.
16:38 So that's step number one is to recognize that it is destructive
16:44 and then step number two is make a choice
16:46 and say, you know what, I'm going to do what it takes
16:50 to get rid of this, this is adversely affecting my life.
16:53 And then step three is where the work begins.
16:58 That involves a decision point where you are going to abstain
17:02 from it and you might suffer from withdrawal symptoms.
17:07 These withdrawal symptoms are not going to kill you per se,
17:11 unless it's heavy alcohol all the time, or unless it's
17:15 heavy narcotics or benzos, those might need a professional
17:18 involved. These other addictions don't require necessarily
17:25 a professional to help you, you just have to make this
17:28 decision and be willing to go through withdrawal symptoms.
17:31 Now, how is the best way to do this?
17:33 Exercise regularly, try to get enough sleep,
17:37 and then also rely on spiritual resources.
17:42 One of the things we are finding is that virtually everybody
17:46 that overcomes an addiction that has a grip on that
17:49 does it through spiritual resources.
17:52 That means the frontal lobe has to be involved and you have to
17:56 recognize that this is not something that you can
17:59 get over yourself, yes, you are the one that makes the
18:02 choice, it's the willpower, it's not going to do it without
18:04 your choice. But then once you make that choice, ask God
18:08 to help you, and God does actually, help those who are
18:15 who are willing to put their all in to develop that
18:20 relationship with him to help them overcome these powerful
18:24 addictions and then a life starts to improve.
18:29 At first, they are wondering, boy, my life is worse
18:31 but over time they will actually as I mentioned,
18:36 they'll actually have much higher Dopamine levels
18:39 just doing the simple pleasures in life that are not addictive
18:42 and they will have far better relationships,
18:46 far more productivity at work far better family life
18:49 it's worth all the effort you can do to overcome any addiction
18:53 that you might have.
18:56 Well, you know interestingly Gary in the medical/psychiatric
18:59 establishment the highest rates of agnosticism and atheism
19:03 are in the psychiatric profession.
19:05 So in my psychiatry learning, I learned from these individuals
19:09 that didn't really have God in their life but what I would
19:13 notice is that when they had people with powerful addictions
19:17 coming to them and begging them as a psychiatrist
19:20 please, is there anything that you can give me to overcome
19:24 this addiction, don't you have a pill for it doc?
19:26 Or don't you have...and the doctor would say
19:29 I have nothing, there is no pill that's going to help you.
19:32 I actually don't have anything to help you but I can
19:36 tell you that my patients that have gotten help,
19:39 they've all gone the spiritual route and let me tell you
19:43 where you can go where the other patients have gone to get help.
19:46 He said I don't know what happens there but I know the
19:49 spiritual part is the way my patients have overcome
19:53 addictions like that. So you need to see them.
19:56 So, in general, the psychiatric community recognizes God in a
20:01 spiritual power is involved in that, they're not necessarily
20:04 in contact with that power but they recognize from
20:07 their own experience that patients who overcome addictions
20:10 have a strong spiritually influence that helps them to
20:14 overcome. To overcome an addiction obviously requires
20:18 change, can you tell us a little about that?
20:22 Yes, overcoming addiction, there are four stages of change.
20:26 The first stage is when the addict doesn't even realize
20:30 that they need to change, that's what we call unconsciously
20:33 incompetent. They are incompetent but they don't
20:37 recognize that they are incompetent.
20:38 The second stage is to become consciously incompetent.
20:44 That means that you actually are convinced that it is harmful
20:48 and it often takes knowledge for an addict to recognize that.
20:51 And so some good knowledge this is why we have to teach
20:55 people the harms of this behavior, what it would be like
20:59 without the behavior and then show them the evidence
21:02 and then they realize, alright, this is more of a problem
21:06 than I thought it was, it's probably causing all sorts of
21:08 problems in my life that I don't even recognize.
21:11 But they still haven't changed as far as getting rid of the
21:15 addiction they are now just conscious that they are
21:18 incompetent. And that's an important step an addict
21:21 will not overcome without some knowledge.
21:23 And then the third aspect is now to become
21:27 consciously competent, that means that you have with your
21:32 willpower and choice, you've made a decision,
21:35 you are giving up this addiction.
21:37 And it is no more going to be a part of your life.
21:41 Yes, ask God to help you, recognize your dependence
21:45 on Him and do what you can with your own body with exercise
21:49 and sleep and type of things to get over it but you need
21:52 to recognize...Let's just talk a simple addiction.
21:55 If you're addicted to Pepsi, when you get thirsty
21:58 your still going to think of Pepsi and you're going to
22:01 have to say No, not Pepsi, it's going to be water.
22:05 The next time your thirsty, you're going to think of Pepsi
22:07 again and you're going to have to say, No, not Pepsi,
22:10 it's going to be water. That's conscious competence
22:14 and you have to continue in that competence phase
22:18 differing amounts of time depending on the addiction.
22:21 But with caffeine, it's about a month and after one month
22:24 when you get thirsty, you're now thinking of water.
22:28 Your actually enjoying water that you didn't like
22:31 the taste before and you recognize, you know what?
22:34 I don't have the problems with caffeine anymore,
22:36 I'm not irritable, I don't have my reflux, I don't have
22:41 those types of symptoms and that's when you have reached
22:44 stage four which is unconsciously competent
22:48 and so it's no longer a struggle.
22:50 A lot of addicts think it's going to be this lifelong struggle
22:53 and they are going to go back and forth between stages two
22:56 and three, conscious competence and they don't realize if they
23:00 stick with it, there is unconscious competence coming
23:04 and that's when the Dopamine levels are above neutral
23:06 a vast majority of the day we're getting nice Dopamine
23:11 satisfactions, irritations, the usual irritations or the nuances
23:16 of life don't get them down at all anymore and they are
23:18 able to live above the fray and they become more productive,
23:22 relationships improve, and success and fulfillment
23:25 skyrockets. That's unconscious competence and its waiting
23:31 every addict that goes through those four stages of change.
23:35 Dr. Nedley, what message would you give to those who were
23:39 struggling with addictions?
23:41 The message I would give for those struggling with an
23:43 addiction is I don't care who you are, I don't care what your
23:47 addiction is, you can overcome with the power of God
23:53 in your life. Do what it takes to make this choice, depend
23:58 upon God, He will help you and you can break free.
24:03 Dr. Nedley, thank you for being on our program today
24:06 and for sharing such valuable information with us.
24:10 Thanks for having me, Gary, it's always great being here.
24:15 Happiness and fulfillment are what we all really want
24:19 in life, turning to things that only fill us for a moment
24:23 but lead to heartache and misery, anxiety, and depression,
24:27 are like seeing a mirage after a long walk through a thirsty
24:31 desert but never experiencing the life-giving water that we
24:36 desperately crave.
24:38 In the Bible, there was a woman with addictions that had
24:42 taken a hold on her leaving her socially isolated and empty
24:46 inside. Jesus met her one day at a well in the desert and
24:51 offered her the water of life that could truly quench her
24:55 thirst and fill her deepest needs. He said to her,
25:16 This woman had been looking for happiness and fulfillment
25:20 in all the wrong places. But what she was really missing
25:24 was Jesus. The day she met her savior, she found hope.
25:29 The day she let Him into her heart, she found peace, and
25:33 real joy that satisfied the deepest needs of her soul.
25:39 If you would like to begin a journey with Jesus,
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27:07 If you've enjoyed today's journey into the world of
27:10 addictions and our reflections on overcoming addictions,
27:14 and finding peace in our lives, then be sure to join us again
27:19 next week when we will share another of Life's Journey's
27:22 together and now I would like to ask you to join me as we pray.
27:28 Dear Heavenly Father, Thank you that you are the
27:33 water of life that can quench our thirsty souls.
27:36 We've been looking for love and fulfillment in all the wrong
27:40 places. Today, we have discovered that our search for
27:44 happiness and true and joy can only be found in knowing and
27:49 following you, the God who made us and loves us.
27:53 Today we invite you into our hearts and lives.
27:57 In Jesus name, we pray, Amen.


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