Participants: Dwayne Lemon, Lance Wilbur
Series Code: TKS
Program Code: TKS000031A
00:29 Hello, I'm Dwayne. And I'm Lance.
00:31 And we would like to welcome you
00:32 to another episode of TKS,
00:33 ''A True Knowledge of Self,"
00:35 where we get to know ourselves from a biblical perspective.
00:39 Now, we're going to continue in this episode
00:42 talking about the eternal principle of love.
00:44 We saw in 1 John 4:8 that God is love.
00:48 But we then we looked at how that love applies
00:51 because we are also called to love our brothers,
00:56 to lay down our lives for the brethren.
01:00 So, how does one love?
01:01 How does one exhibit
01:03 that eternal characteristic of God?
01:05 It's something that we can't create
01:07 and manufacture ourselves,
01:09 it's something that only He can provide.
01:11 And we looked at a couple of different circumstances
01:14 in which love from one man was exhibited toward another,
01:18 and they had two completely different results.
01:20 For example, we looked at 2 Samuel and Nathan
01:24 confronting David the King,
01:27 and exposing a grave sin and scandal
01:32 that David had committed.
01:34 And when he confronted him, he was risking his life
01:37 because David could have executed him
01:40 for publicly confronting him with such an accusation.
01:44 But Nathan was willing to do that because he loved David.
01:49 And the result was a tremendous blessing.
01:52 David acknowledged his sin, he repented,
01:55 and there was no bloodshed and no further harm
01:57 aside from the judgment
01:59 and the consequences for David's actions.
02:03 But then we looked at an example
02:05 with the Prophet John,
02:09 John the Baptist.
02:10 And when he exposed the sin of a king publicly,
02:14 it actually resulted in his beheading.
02:16 He lost his life.
02:18 We have to be willing
02:19 if we are going to truly follow the biblical principle of love,
02:23 we have to be willing to correct,
02:27 and to give instruction,
02:29 and to call sin by its right name,
02:32 even if it means the loss of our life,
02:34 even if it means we have to lay down our lives
02:37 as Christ laid down His life for us.
02:40 And a lot of people are uncomfortable with that.
02:42 A lot of people in the Christian world
02:44 and the world in general are uncomfortable
02:48 with confrontation.
02:50 We scream that people are being judgmental
02:53 if they were to call somebody wrong,
02:56 or to criticize somebody's action,
02:57 or to question somebody's morality,
02:59 or to offer some counsel or correction.
03:01 And we have to accept the fact
03:04 that the Bible articulates a principle
03:07 that is to be exhibited
03:09 whether it's comfortable or not,
03:11 whether it's going to result in hardship for me
03:13 or persecution for me or not.
03:15 And we need to really stress that
03:17 because there is a disconnect.
03:20 There is a disconnect in modern society
03:22 particularly in hip-hop culture,
03:24 because we have a lot of issues, right?
03:26 There are a lot of social issues,
03:27 current events right now
03:29 that are getting people very animated,
03:34 to say the least.
03:35 We have open protests.
03:37 We have massive unrest, and marches, and violence,
03:42 and confrontations with the police and brutality,
03:45 and all kinds of things.
03:46 And yet we're not seeing
03:50 the type of love exhibited
03:54 that supposedly is one of the cornerstones
03:58 of the international hip-hop culture.
03:59 So, how is it that, number one,
04:03 we are called to apply the principle of love
04:07 that scripture outlines
04:09 whether it leads to our harm or not,
04:11 whether it leads to a broken relationship
04:13 or some kind of loss or not?
04:15 And are we seeing it
04:18 in some of these public figures
04:20 that are stepping forward to chime in
04:22 on the civil unrest
04:23 and to make demands and all this stuff?
04:25 What are we seeing here? What's going on?
04:27 Well, I mean, you know,
04:28 when you look at what's happening right now,
04:30 again, people are pursuing something
04:31 that ultimately is good.
04:33 They are trying to establish a better life, a happier life,
04:37 a more peaceful life etc.
04:39 The problem is,
04:41 you can't pick what you don't know.
04:43 And if you don't know what true love is,
04:45 then you don't know how to acquire it,
04:47 and you're not going to demonstrate it right,
04:49 and your humanity is going to come out sooner or later.
04:52 It's kind of like the story of the scorpion
04:54 riding on the frog's back,
04:55 I don't know if you ever heard it before.
04:57 But, you know, one day a scorpion
04:58 is communicating with a frog to say,
05:00 "Listen, I need to get across the river,
05:02 can you go ahead and just let me ride on your back?"
05:04 And then the frog says,
05:05 "Well, no, you're gonna sting me and kill me.
05:07 And scorpion said, "Don't worry, I won't do it.
05:08 I just, I just need to get across."
05:10 So, you know, the scorpion gets on the frog's back
05:12 and frog starts going,
05:13 he trusted the scorpion
05:15 and as soon as the frog gets her across
05:18 that bed of water and on to land,
05:20 immediately the scorpion stings him with his stinger.
05:24 And the frog is dying and the frog is saying,
05:26 "Why did you do that?
05:27 You said you weren't gonna to do that.
05:29 And the scorpion answers,
05:30 "I couldn't help it. It was my nature."
05:32 And, you know, of course
05:33 we know this is all very much allegorical.
05:35 You know, this is not literal.
05:37 But the point is very profound.
05:40 We are trying to pursue something
05:42 that in our nature we cannot accomplish
05:44 which is we're trying to establish love,
05:46 peace, unity and safely having fun.
05:49 But the problem is, is that sooner or later
05:51 our nature is going to take charge
05:53 of even the morals
05:54 that we might have been taught at some point or another.
05:56 And lo and behold the human nature takes over
05:58 and this is why we still see society
06:00 in the condition it's in right now.
06:03 This is why we have to give the right picture of love,
06:06 and we have to be willing
06:08 to demonstrate the attributes of love,
06:11 and part of that demonstration is calling wrong,
06:16 wrong, calling right, right.
06:18 And you've got to be willing to do it.
06:19 I mean, I really I can, I can dig a lot deeper in this,
06:22 but I'm just gonna make this point very briefly.
06:24 I think that when the hip-hop culture
06:28 and community sees and believes
06:32 that one in that community has been unjustly dealt with.
06:37 In the case of some of these issues right now,
06:39 with young black men being gunned down
06:40 by police officers
06:42 and looking upon them as victims and saying,
06:44 "Hey, this is wrong and there's marches, protests,
06:47 videos and twitters,
06:49 and all these things are going on right now.
06:51 And the issue is,
06:54 are you putting the same type of marches
06:56 and putting the same type of efforts
06:58 towards the consistent crimes
07:00 that are taking place in our communities
07:03 by individuals who have very much been influenced
07:05 by hip-hop culture.
07:06 That can't be denied.
07:08 And to deny it is to literally play deaf, dumb, and blind.
07:10 So, that it's not balanced but that's the problem
07:13 when it's human manufactured love.
07:15 It's the same thing with police officers.
07:17 You have a lot of police officers,
07:19 specifically in New York.
07:21 You know, a police officer does a bonafide,
07:24 documented illegal act,
07:26 doesn't get incriminated for it.
07:28 People protest against it which is their right.
07:30 They're saying, "Hey, this was wrong."
07:32 But then, unfortunately,
07:34 there are innocent men who were gunned down
07:36 as a result of retaliation, if you will.
07:38 And now the police officers are responding in a way
07:42 trying to make it almost look like
07:43 everything that happens
07:44 in the police force is legitimate.
07:46 We know it's always a tragedy
07:49 when innocent people lose their lives,
07:50 whether it is a police officer or a civilian.
07:54 But, again, our human nature
07:56 constantly shows for contradiction and failure
08:00 because the same way the individuals are acting
08:03 for one of their own,
08:04 they're not putting forth those same actions
08:06 towards their own
08:08 when it comes to them doing the wrong things.
08:10 So, there's massive inconsistency right now.
08:13 The gospel is the wonderful simplifier
08:15 of these problems.
08:16 The gospel levels everything.
08:18 Everything gets leveled at the cross.
08:20 And this is why Christ wants us to come to Calvary,
08:23 to behold it, take a look at it,
08:24 and understand what true love is
08:27 versus what these concepts of false love is.
08:29 And as opposed to self-exaltation
08:33 the cross teaches of self-sacrifice.
08:35 That's correct.
08:36 And really that's not what we're seeing going on.
08:37 Nobody's willing to sacrifice themselves
08:40 for the, you know, helping of another.
08:43 And one of the ways we see this happening
08:45 is not calling sin by its right name,
08:48 right name wherever it was found.
08:50 I can only imagine how uncomfortable
08:52 it was for Nathan to go to the man
08:54 that he himself serves the king
08:56 and to have to tell him, ''You are a sinner."
08:58 I can only imagine how uncomfortable
09:00 it was for John the Baptist,
09:02 to be under the jurisdiction of a king
09:04 and go to the king and say, ''You are a sinner."
09:07 It is not easy to do that
09:08 because we understand the paroles.
09:10 And this is one of the reasons why we don't find sin
09:12 being called out by its right name
09:14 as it should be.
09:16 Now, I remember one time I was preaching at a church
09:18 and I was preaching about repentance,
09:20 the turning away from sin
09:22 and our need to do that
09:23 because sin broke up the relationship
09:25 between man and God.
09:26 Isaiah 59:2, the Bible says,
09:28 "But your sins have separated between you and your God
09:31 and your iniquities have separated us
09:33 from Him that He will turn his face from us."
09:35 Well, here it is that if we want to have
09:37 face-to-face communion with God,
09:38 we have to get rid of the thing,
09:40 overcome the thing that caused the separation.
09:42 Right. Well, that was sin.
09:43 So, it is sensible that the child of God,
09:47 biblical Christianity
09:48 would have to put forth an effort
09:50 to call sin out by its right name.
09:52 When I was doing this someone said,
09:54 "Why can't you preach about love?
09:56 Why are you preaching about repentance
09:59 and turning away from sin?
10:00 That's not a message of love."
10:02 And I said, "Are you kidding me?"
10:03 I said, "That's an absolute message of love."
10:05 And they said, "No, it's not."
10:06 And, you know, kind of back and forth.
10:08 And I said, "Well, let me ask you a question.
10:10 ''Can you out love Jesus?"
10:12 And that person was humbled and said,
10:14 "Well, of course not, Jesus is the embodiment of love.
10:16 I said, "Well, I would agree
10:17 because his name is Emmanuel, God with us.
10:19 And God is love so Christ
10:20 when He was on this earth with us,
10:22 He was a human demonstration of love."
10:24 Well, here it is, I said, "How does Jesus love?"
10:26 So, I went to Revelation 3. All right.
10:28 And in Revelation 3, here's what the Bible says.
10:31 And in Revelation 3,
10:33 look at what it says right there in verse 19.
10:35 And the Bible is very clear.
10:36 The Bible says,
10:38 "As many," and these are in red letters
10:39 which we know would be Jesus speaking.
10:41 "As many as I hate,"
10:44 That's not with the verse says.
10:46 It says, "As many as I love,
10:49 I rebuke and chasten:
10:52 be zealous therefore, and repent."
10:54 That's love.
10:55 The message of repentance,
10:57 a turning away from sin is actually a message of love.
11:01 It is not a message
11:02 where we are trying to judge individuals
11:04 in the context of reading their motives
11:06 or determining their fate.
11:08 These are things that is not in humanity to do.
11:10 I can't, I can tell a man,
11:11 "Listen, you stole the apple from the store.
11:13 I saw you do that."
11:14 What I can't do is say,
11:16 "You steal the apple from the store
11:17 and the reason you did it because you're a loser
11:18 and you've always been a loser
11:20 and you're always gonna be a loser."
11:21 Right. You know, I can't read motive.
11:22 So, what we do not have the right to do,
11:25 when you think of judge not lest to be judged,
11:27 is I cannot tell you why you did what you did.
11:31 I can't read your motive.
11:32 God hasn't given me that jurisdiction.
11:34 I also cannot tell you your fate.
11:36 I can't tell you, ''You are going to go to hell."
11:38 Because if there is a man who had a right to say
11:40 that it would be a man by the name of Steven.
11:42 Steven literally is being stoned
11:44 in the Book of Acts to death under the judgment of Saul,
11:48 who became the Apostle Paul.
11:50 So, Steven's last view of Saul
11:53 is that he is a persecutor of Christians.
11:55 He hates Christ. He hates Christianity.
11:57 And now I am literally dying because of his instructions.
12:00 So, Steven could have said,
12:02 woe be unto that sinner, he is going to hell.
12:04 But you can imagine how incredibly,
12:06 amazingly beautiful heaven will be
12:09 when Steven rises up in that resurrection morning,
12:11 and here it is that next to him or near him or wherever
12:14 as he's ascending up to meet the Lord in the air,
12:16 lo and behold, he's going to say,
12:17 "Wait a minute."
12:19 That's, you know,
12:20 he's gonna see Paul not Saul but Paul.
12:23 And he's gonna realize,
12:25 we cannot tell
12:26 who's gonna go to hell and who's gonna go to heaven.
12:28 It's not in our jurisdiction.
12:29 God can reach people even last minute.
12:31 But what we can do is we can call out an action
12:33 that we have seen.
12:35 The Bible tells us
12:36 that all scripture is given for correction.
12:39 So we can do that.
12:40 And there are things that need to be corrected.
12:42 And this is what we're dealing with
12:44 in hip-hop culture right now
12:45 and its effect and it's, you know,
12:48 proposing things that at the end of the day
12:50 are not even being demonstrated by some of its leaders.
12:53 That's right.
12:54 Now, we're gonna transition to a point here.
12:56 We're gonna play a video clip because I think it's now time,
13:00 after setting this foundation, that we need to show something,
13:03 because I am concerned when I think about,
13:07 you use the term thought leaders,
13:09 you know, in hip-hop culture today.
13:10 When I think of thought-leaders,
13:11 I think of people like, you know, KRS-One,
13:13 Afrika Bambaataa, you know, Russell Simmons,
13:16 you know a lot of people who have,
13:18 who have been there pretty much from the beginning,
13:20 all the way up until now.
13:22 These individual are looked up to.
13:23 They are considered father figures.
13:25 They're considered godfathers to many of those
13:28 who are in hip-hop,
13:30 as far as entertainment and culture.
13:31 Yeah, and many of them multimillionaires,
13:32 successful people.
13:35 So when I think of these individuals,
13:36 I look at them as responsible ones towards those who follow.
13:41 In other words, "Hey, guys, you know,
13:43 that you have a following,
13:44 you know that people look up to you.
13:45 So, it is your job
13:48 to lead them in the right path,
13:50 " which I'm sure they believe they're doing.
13:51 And this is very important, man.
13:53 I am not convinced
13:56 that everybody who does hip-hop,
13:58 practices hip-hop, or advocates hip-hop culture
14:00 are evil people.
14:02 I don't, I'm not saying that.
14:03 There's some people who will but I'm not.
14:04 I believe many of them
14:06 may very well be recognized by God as His people.
14:09 Because the Bible says in Revelation 18
14:12 that there is a place called Babylon
14:13 which is the hold of every foul spirit
14:16 and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
14:18 But God says, "Come out of her my people."
14:21 So that I believe that there are people
14:23 who are genuine in what they are doing
14:25 as it relates to hip-hop culture
14:27 but you can be sincerely or genuinely wrong
14:30 and they and what's needed is correction.
14:33 So, we're not analyzing people's characters,
14:36 people's motives.
14:37 We're analyzing what's going on,
14:39 what is being said, the principles,
14:41 the thoughts, the ideas...
14:42 That's right.
14:43 ..that are being promoted
14:45 and that's what has to be questioned.
14:46 That's correct.
14:48 So, whenever we challenge something,
14:49 we're not challenging necessarily the person
14:50 but the ideology
14:52 that is being presented through that person.
14:53 And I believe that we should function
14:54 under Galatians 6:1 that tells us,
14:57 "If you see your brother in a fault,
14:59 you which are spiritual restore such a one."
15:02 You know what I'm saying?
15:03 It's like do your best to try to help build them up.
15:05 So, if I see Russell Simmons, if I see Afrika Bambaata,
15:09 KRS-One or any thought leader in hip-hop culture
15:12 that says something
15:13 that's trying to lead the people at large
15:16 and is incorrect, if I really loved them,
15:19 I got to love them enough not to say, "Amen",
15:21 'cause Amen means so let it be done.
15:23 I got to say, "Oh, no.
15:25 No, sorry brothers, you know,
15:27 this is not correct was being stated
15:29 thus saith the Lord."
15:30 So, this is what we're gonna do,
15:32 so we're gonna go ahead and look at a clip,
15:33 where there was a interview
15:35 between Russell Simmons and Don Lemon from C.N.N.
15:39 And they had a dialogue
15:41 about some of the things going on in hip-hop culture
15:44 and there was something stated
15:46 that I have to confess was a bit disturbing.
15:49 So, we're gonna go ahead and take a look at this
15:50 and then we'll come back and share some comments on it.
15:52 All right, let's go to the monitor.
15:53 My thing is,
15:55 is that kids are dying every single minute
15:59 and it's because, as you said, we had the responsibility.
16:03 Are there people are being educated in prison,
16:05 prison culture.
16:06 I think that helps perpetuate
16:08 that education in prison culture.
16:11 And I don't understand why you, why you can't see that?
16:15 I do see that, an expression of a reality, you know,
16:18 maybe reaffirmed it to some degree
16:20 but it is certainly important that artist tell our truth.
16:24 Do you think that hip-hop can be better?
16:26 Rap and hip-hop can be better?
16:29 I think each individual artist
16:31 have a responsibility to say what's on their hearts.
16:35 And some of it is not pretty.
16:37 So I think they're reflections of our reality,
16:39 in some cases, sad reality.
16:40 Oh! That's great.
16:41 But do those artists understand the influence
16:43 that they're having on the young people
16:45 or the people who are listening to their songs?
16:47 I think many a most artists understand.
16:50 And I don't believe that is anything
16:52 we can do to stop a poet from expressing the truth.
16:55 Only thing we can do is change that truth,
16:58 if it's, if it's uncomfortable to us.
17:00 Do you think, just the question,
17:02 do you think rap and hip-hop can be better?
17:05 Okay, but how so?
17:08 Each individual can be better but as an overall culture
17:10 it has to express our sad reality.
17:13 It's, it's, the way young people
17:15 want to express themselves by bucking the system
17:17 is something that I support.
17:19 And some of the things they say
17:21 that may make the adults uncomfortable,
17:23 in most cases, I support it.
17:25 There are, and I quote ''Of course there are lines.
17:27 I'm not suggesting you, it is no line."
17:30 We hope that their expression can be one that uplifts people,
17:34 but we also want them to be truthful to their art
17:37 and say what's on their hearts.
17:38 And if what's on their hearts
17:40 sometimes is difficult to digest
17:42 then we have to look at that and see
17:43 if that's a roadmap or something we can fix...
17:45 Is there a way of doing that without calling someone a...
17:50 I think that some of the lyrics are very harsh,
17:52 and some of the things they say are very sexist,
17:54 some of the things they say are very difficult to digest.
17:56 And ignorant? And... And ignorant.
17:59 I still can't tell a poet, you know, I cannot tell a poet.
18:02 No, they are not my lyrics or my songs
18:04 but I can't tell a poet what to say.
18:06 And I will not.
18:08 Now as we consider what was just stated
18:11 which again depending on how meticulous a listener is,
18:15 they may think, "Well, that's sounds just fine.
18:17 He's basically saying,
18:19 "Hey, I can't control this type of situation.
18:21 You know, I'm not gonna stop anybody
18:23 from expressing their artwork and etc."
18:26 Yet he admits that some of the things
18:28 they're saying in their artwork is contributive to the problems
18:31 that are being addressed on the program.
18:33 What are some things that you see from this?
18:34 Well, you know, to be fair, the context of the interview
18:37 basically the interviewer wrote a open letter,
18:40 criticizing the culture
18:42 and saying that the culture is what breeds these situations
18:46 and creates an environment for the police brutality.
18:49 And, you know, so the problem is not the police
18:52 even though that's a problem, that's not the root.
18:54 The core is the degradation of the culture and society,
18:58 and it's constantly being pumped with negativity,
19:00 and it's producing the fruit, the natural fruit.
19:03 And so, in response to that Russell Simmons
19:06 critiqued the open letter
19:09 and it became like kind of a social media battle.
19:12 And then the interviewer invited him
19:14 for a face-to-face interview
19:16 and this is that, that's the interview.
19:17 So, there's a lot of discussion,
19:19 a lot of background to it.
19:20 So the bottom line is, what is being articulated
19:25 in this, in this segment of the interview
19:28 is that in other words the artists,
19:33 the MC's if you will, the dancers,
19:35 the various artists in hip-hop
19:37 are simply communicating
19:41 and expressing the reality.
19:44 He, at one point blames the reality.
19:48 He blames the problem on the prison,
19:51 you know, industrial complex,
19:53 meaning the fact that people are getting locked up
19:56 at such alarming numbers.
19:57 They're getting trained
19:58 in criminality in prison culture.
20:00 And they're bringing that back to the street.
20:02 So, their reality is simply this
20:04 and so they're just being artists
20:05 and expressing themselves,
20:06 and he is not going to tell an artist
20:09 not to express themselves.
20:11 He's not going to come and tell an artist,
20:13 ''You shouldn't say that or maybe you should try this,"
20:15 he's not gonna tell an artist to,
20:17 to say something that's not reality.
20:19 Even though he clearly sees
20:21 that the things that some of these artists
20:22 are saying are negative, are derogatory,
20:26 and are demonstrations of ignorance.
20:28 That's right.
20:29 So, he knows they're part of the problem.
20:32 But he's saying I'm not willing to address that specifically.
20:34 What we need to do to fix the problem
20:36 is address and change their reality.
20:39 So, he's saying we're gonna improve education.
20:41 We're gonna, you know, try to find ways
20:43 to where we can create some criminal justice
20:45 so people aren't locked up,
20:46 you know, minorities aren't locked up
20:48 in such disparaging numbers and all these things.
20:50 So he's saying, we can change their reality
20:52 and that will change their art.
20:54 But, I mean, it's a use of illustration,
20:57 for example, if you have a pool of water
20:59 and you want to purify that water.
21:00 You want, you want that water to be,
21:02 you know, able to be drink,
21:04 you know, potable water, drinkable water.
21:07 So, if you want that pure water
21:10 but the problem is you have sewage
21:11 coming into that pond or that pool.
21:14 If the sewage is coming into the pool,
21:17 whatever purification system you want to go through,
21:19 whatever, if you do not eliminate
21:21 that stream of sewage pumping into that pool,
21:24 unless you've got some high-level massive,
21:27 you know, treatment plants
21:28 you're gonna always have dirty water.
21:30 So, the reality is that pool,
21:32 the reality is never gonna change,
21:34 if it's constantly being pumped
21:36 with this negativity and this error,
21:38 and this thing that's, that's degrading the society.
21:41 So it's circular reasoning.
21:43 You know, you can't have one without the other.
21:45 You can't address one and not address the other.
21:47 You have to address both.
21:49 And this is the problem in the reasoning.
21:51 I don't...
21:52 Again, we can't speculate as to why or the motive behind it.
21:55 But it appears to me that he is not,
22:00 he's committed
22:01 to not intervening on that level.
22:04 He's going to spend all,
22:06 you know, and do all these things on the outside
22:07 to try to change the reality,
22:09 but it's gonna be virtually impossible
22:10 if you don't change the stream that's pumping into it.
22:11 That's right.
22:13 Now, we're gonna take a real quick look at one more clip
22:15 'cause we're getting closer towards our close.
22:17 But we're gonna take a look at one more clip
22:19 of another very powerful thought leader
22:21 in hip-hop culture
22:23 which is none other than Afrika Bambaataa,
22:24 where he expresses some thoughts
22:26 along the same lines to this interview.
22:28 So let's go ahead
22:29 and let's take a look at this one very quickly.
22:30 Okay. All right.
22:32 And it's just that the media want to focus on
22:33 one little small part
22:35 which is the rappers still doing gangster rap.
22:38 We're not saying get rid of the gangster rap,
22:39 all we want is balance of the modern rap.
22:42 If you say you're hip-hop radio station,
22:44 Tupac was dealing with drug life,
22:47 but he's also talking to you about dear mama.
22:49 He's also talking about keep your head off.
22:50 So, people say, ''Oh, that's contradiction."
22:52 Well, we all are contradiction.
22:54 We all got the ying and the yang,
22:55 the agreeable and the disagreeable,
22:56 evil and good in us.
22:58 So let's get away from them.
22:59 It's like if you saw holier than thou.
23:01 Now, the thing that I heard from this clip is that,
23:04 number one, there's an emphasis on the fact that the media
23:09 though hip-hop or rap
23:11 is very, very wide and broad and has many ''Successes,"
23:14 that media, according to Afrika Bambaataa,
23:17 is focusing on one small part which is the gangster rap.
23:22 Whether that'd be true or not, that caught my attention,
23:23 that wasn't really the emphasis
23:26 it was what he said after.
23:28 After acknowledging gangster rap, right?
23:31 Then he says,
23:32 not saying that we need to get rid of it
23:34 and I'm just thinking to myself.
23:37 When I think of a godfather
23:39 then that means you can't be a godfather
23:40 without having God's Son.
23:42 So, you know,
23:43 you are looked upon as a father figure
23:46 and as a father figure,
23:49 you are seeing some of your children,
23:52 ''That are promoting, teaching and doing things
23:55 that at the end of the day are absolutely evil."
23:58 It's wrong in every sense of the word
24:00 which of course is this concept of gangster rap.
24:03 So, he makes it clear, you know,
24:04 not saying that we need to get rid of it
24:05 which I'm like why wouldn't you say that?
24:07 You know, that's a question.
24:09 Just why wouldn't you say that? Are you kidding me?
24:10 Look at the fruit.
24:12 But then after he states that the interviewer asked him,
24:15 well, doesn't it appear like a contradiction
24:18 and then basically he's like, well, yes,
24:22 you know, there's the ying and the yang,
24:24 the good and the evil,
24:25 don't try to act holier than thou.
24:27 And he just kind of went on this rant
24:29 which was now a justification of the evil,
24:33 you know, he associated the gangster rap with ''Evil".
24:37 Now, how can love
24:39 be a cornerstone of this culture?
24:43 And we have seen from the word of God
24:45 that love is willing to tell people things.
24:49 To tell them, what you're doing here is wrong
24:51 you need to turn away from this.
24:53 You need to repent.
24:54 Yet we're seeing hip-hop moguls like Russell Simmons,
24:57 we're seeing a godfather of hip-hop
24:59 like Afrika Bambaataa
25:00 and these individuals
25:02 are really not willing to tell them
25:04 and say this is wrong, this is wrong,
25:06 this needs to change and that's problematic
25:09 when we think about
25:11 a so-called teaching and promoting of love.
25:14 And this is why, again, love is being perverted.
25:18 When you look at Proverbs 13:24, the Bible says,
25:21 "He that spareth,"
25:22 and I want you to think about the principle here,
25:24 "He that spareth his rod hates his son:
25:29 but he that loves him chasteneth him betimes,
25:34 many times."
25:35 What's the point?
25:36 The point is that if you really love
25:38 your god children,
25:39 if you really love
25:41 those who are looking up to you,
25:42 you've got to learn to sometimes
25:43 chasing them and say, ''Listen, you can't do this".
25:45 I understand that you can't force an individual,
25:49 but when you are put in the power position,
25:51 it's kind of like a parent,
25:52 I can't force my child to love God
25:53 but I can definitely endorse rules in my home
25:56 that says we're not going to allow
25:57 ungodly things to take place.
25:58 Yeah. And how about this?
26:00 We're going to look at another point
26:01 but they're making those same
26:04 and some of those same individuals are making demands.
26:06 They're meeting with the governor of New York
26:08 and demanding that the police do this,
26:09 and do that, and do this,
26:11 and do that and braining them in
26:12 because what they did was wrong.
26:15 But at the same point
26:16 they can't go to their own people
26:18 and do the same thing.
26:19 My brother, case in point.
26:21 Don Lemon with C.N.N.
26:23 wrote an article
26:24 expressing his thoughts on hip-hop culture
26:28 and he did it based on his art,
26:31 which is to be a journalist and to do what he did.
26:33 So he's expressing his art form,
26:35 Russell Simmons sees it, doesn't like it,
26:37 and he says, this is wrong.
26:40 He was able to do that to this individual
26:43 who was expressing his art form of what have you,
26:46 but then he says, but I can't tell them
26:48 to who's part of the very click
26:50 that supposedly I'm a oversee over
26:52 and trying to give guidance and instruction.
26:54 There's something wrong. This is what I'm saying.
26:57 There is inconsistency, there is a contradiction,
27:01 and one thing that is definitely clear
27:03 is this is not demonstrating the principle of love
27:06 from the biblical perspective.
27:07 And this is the reason
27:08 why this so-called cornerstone had to be addressed.
27:11 That's right.
27:12 Now there is something here that we're seeing
27:17 that is admitting the fact
27:20 that contradiction is inevitable.
27:21 In other words, it's part of the culture.
27:24 That's not what the Bible teaches.
27:26 The Bible teaches that the reality
27:28 that God dictates transcends all culture,
27:31 it establishes its own culture
27:32 which is superior and therefore contradiction does not exist.
27:36 They don't co-exist.
27:38 Contradiction and love can't co-exist.
27:40 So we're going to continue talking about this
27:42 because it's important
27:43 that we flesh it out even further.
27:45 We cannot have a situation
27:48 in which we allow individuals to misrepresent,
27:52 and when we do that we are living a contradiction,
27:56 and that's certainly not love or peace or unity.
27:59 So I want to invite you to return for our next episode,
28:02 and I want you to always remember Proverbs 2:6,
28:05 ''For it's the Lord that gives wisdom
28:07 and out of his mouth
28:09 comes knowledge and understanding."
28:11 God bless.