Participants: Aaron Chnacy (Host), Steven Radford
Series Code: TNJ
Program Code: TNJ000046
00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:03 Parents are cautioned that some material
00:05 may be too candid for younger children.
00:08 Today we'll meet a gentleman with an amazing testimony
00:11 of what God has done in his life.
00:13 He's been on the program before but this time
00:15 he will be sharing the amazing prison ministry work
00:18 that he is doing.
00:20 Be sure to tune in to today's New Journey.
00:53 Welcome back to the New Journey on today's program,
00:55 we have with us Mr. Steven Radford.
00:58 You seen before on here share his testimony
01:00 but this time he's going to talk heavily about
01:02 the ministry that he is involved in.
01:04 Mr. Radford, we thank you for being on the program.
01:06 It's a pleasure to be here. All right.
01:08 Now there are some people
01:10 even though you have been on here previously,
01:12 that have not heard your testimony.
01:14 Briefly give some of your details
01:16 of where you from, a little bit of your background
01:19 and how you got lead up to what you're involved in now.
01:24 Before I do, let me offer a word of prayer.
01:28 Father in heaven, we invite Your spirit
01:31 that heart in man hear from You and then You will be glorified.
01:35 Thank You for this time to share in Jesus' name, Amen.
01:39 Amen. I'm from Birmingham, Alabama.
01:43 Very early on in my life,
01:45 I begin to drink and smoke
01:49 around the age of about 10 years old.
01:53 And the rest of the drugs that I eventually doing
01:56 throughout my life was kind of like a progression.
01:59 It started with cigarettes and alcohol.
02:02 And it progressed to heroine. Okay.
02:06 Now in between that time, I believe that time
02:08 I was 14 years old, I was alcoholic
02:11 because I was drinking every day.
02:13 I had smoked my first marijuana joint at the age of 12.
02:17 And then I got involved
02:19 in peels and other things in that age.
02:22 I was able to finish high school
02:26 and then I when into the United States Air Force.
02:30 And served for two years.
02:34 I had an opportunity to get out early
02:36 and I took advantage of that opportunity
02:39 because I actually did not like people
02:40 telling me what to do.
02:44 And at that point in my life,
02:46 I dint realize that God has a plan for us.
02:49 But anyway, anyway after I got out of the military,
02:55 I came back to Birmingham.
02:57 And I ran into some old elementary school friends mine
03:02 and to make a long story short, a person died that night.
03:07 And I was on the scene
03:10 at the time of the crime was committed
03:13 and I didn't do anything to prevent the crime
03:16 or did actually take the life and yet I was there.
03:22 And I was questioned about it later on.
03:24 And when I was asked about it, I responded with
03:27 "I don't know" answer.
03:28 Yeah, okay.
03:30 Which is what, you know,
03:31 they do in a world they don't know.
03:32 Yeah. And that I don't know answer.
03:34 They had me to be arrested for murder and trial for murder
03:38 and eventually I received a life sentence.
03:42 Now I have received a life sentence
03:43 in the state of Alabama with the possibility of parole.
03:47 I ended up remaining in prison for 31 years.
03:52 During that time, initially I was angry at everyone.
03:58 Because I thought other people was the cause
04:00 of my situation, my problem.
04:03 And yet, I realize I found out later on
04:05 that other people were in the problem that I was.
04:08 Yeah, okay.
04:10 After I've done 15 years in prison,
04:12 I was placed in a hole
04:14 because I was violating institutional rules.
04:18 They use a hole or segregation as a form of punishment,
04:23 as a form of investigation, or as a form of they keep you
04:28 to have you ahead of the center state
04:29 where you cannot live with the general population.
04:31 Okay, and you kind of living by yourself.
04:33 Right. Isolation.
04:34 And I was on investigation. Okay.
04:37 And doing...Now this is after
04:38 I have been in prison for 15 years.
04:40 For 15 years, I was violating all the rules of prison.
04:43 I was moving prison contraband.
04:46 I had set up stores that had illegal gambling games
04:51 that were illegally selling whiskey, illegal,
04:53 you know, the whole nine yards.
04:55 And but now while I was in isolation,
05:01 I began to reflect on my life.
05:03 It was not actually turning out the way
05:05 that I thought it would.
05:08 I was here in a position that someone was telling me
05:10 when to eat, when to sleep, when I can take a shower.
05:13 You know, everything. What clothes I could wear,
05:16 everything about my life.
05:17 And here I am a person that doesn't like people
05:19 telling me what to do.
05:20 Okay. And that happened every day in your life.
05:22 Every day in my life now.
05:23 And my mom, and I thank God for her today.
05:28 When I was very young, early on
05:31 she tried to get me to accept Jesus.
05:34 Okay. And obviously I chose not to.
05:39 And I ended up, you know, in my situation.
05:43 I mean, yet when I was back in their home,
05:45 I begin to think about there might be another way.
05:48 You know, there might be a better way.
05:50 And I thought about what my mom was telling me.
05:51 Well, I fortunate that when you in isolation,
05:54 they will let you have a Bible.
05:57 And I had a little red New Testament Bible.
06:01 And so I determined that I want something different in my life
06:06 than what I have been getting.
06:08 Why not try Jesus?
06:10 Because I tried everything else.
06:11 Because you tried everything else, try Jesus okay.
06:13 And I didn't know any formal way of prayer
06:15 but yet, you know, I talk to God.
06:20 And you know, it was really new for me to realize
06:26 that when we pray, God hears us and answers our prayer.
06:30 Amen. Sometimes immediately.
06:33 Well, in my particular situation,
06:34 God heard me and answered my prayer.
06:37 - Okay. - Right then.
06:40 And because I asked for forgiveness, I told Him
06:42 that I wanted something new, I wanted to do thing
06:44 differently in my life.
06:47 And I wanted to accept his son,
06:48 Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
06:50 - Okay. - And I did.
06:52 That was in 1989. Okay.
06:55 Later on, I met the founders
06:58 of United Prison Ministry International.
07:00 Richard and Carolyn Bland.
07:02 And one of the first thing they said to me was
07:06 don't trust man and call for somebody
07:09 coming from the street does count unusual.
07:11 You know, and what they did was,
07:13 was back it up with what the Bible says.
07:17 You know, the Bible says us, it tells us
07:18 that in Jeremiah 17 to 5, "If we trust man will curse".
07:23 Yeah, okay.
07:24 And yet, it also give you some hope
07:26 until you but if you trust God, you can be blessed.
07:29 Praise the Lord. So I want to be blessed.
07:31 And so that just told me that I needed to trust God.
07:34 When I began to study what, you know,
07:36 in the Prison Ministry International
07:38 and I eventually was released from prison in 2006.
07:42 Okay, and that was after 31 years.
07:43 That was after 31 years.
07:44 Yeah. Okay.
07:46 And after I was released, I had an opportunity.
07:48 I was given an invitation to come and work
07:50 with United Prison Ministry International.
07:52 So prayerfully, you know, I prayed and asked God for,
07:56 you know, to leading in my life because I found out
07:58 when I make decisions, I make the wrong one.
08:00 Yeah, make the wrong one.
08:02 So I wanted God to lead
08:03 and He led me to accepting invitation
08:06 to work with United Prison Ministry International.
08:08 Okay. And I've been now since.
08:10 Now for those that aren't familiar
08:11 with UPMI or United Prison Ministries International,
08:14 give a brief background of what the ministry is involved in.
08:18 Well, United Prison Ministries International at this point
08:20 is going on 34 years of age.
08:25 That's how long they've been around.
08:26 And they have they too full...
08:29 Well, It's been extended mission,
08:33 spiritual and social.
08:37 Spiritual in the sense that they want to share
08:40 the love of God with incarcerated people.
08:44 And also to share the gospel of Jesus Christ.
08:48 Social in the sense that they want to prepare
08:53 the man or woman to reenter their families as a new person.
09:00 So that they can take the position
09:01 that God had designed from the very beginning
09:04 for man as a husband or a brother or a son him,
09:07 as a priest at home.
09:09 And, and also to direct to them ex or friend
09:16 or friend at churches.
09:19 Because contrary to probably opinion
09:20 all the churches idea are not...
09:22 Yeah, not, not friendly in that manner.
09:24 Now UPMI is just starting a new program,
09:26 this is where we're going to spend a good amount of time.
09:28 As the training transitional program
09:30 or known as a re-entry program.
09:33 What led UPMI to begin this type of program?
09:36 And matter of fact, what is that type of program
09:38 for viewers that aren't aware of it?
09:40 Well training transition can be considered
09:43 also a halfway house.
09:45 Yet we know, it was over man not to
09:48 we're trying to remove
09:49 the thinking of being incarcerated.
09:53 And the things that we all full,
09:54 all full of training and transition.
09:57 We were led to it because we get numerous,
10:00 a lot of letters from people, men and women
10:03 all over the United States, writing us and saying to us
10:07 that I have nowhere to go.
10:10 Okay. I have no job.
10:13 And this, you know, impress me because being in prison,
10:16 you know, I understand that.
10:17 You know, if all your family members are no longer around,
10:21 when you go to prison and you do your time.
10:23 Then when you get out, you really have no support.
10:26 Yeah, no support system. Okay.
10:28 And then we got one letter that was really overwhelming.
10:31 There was one guy that was incarcerated
10:33 in the state of Texas.
10:36 And he had been in prison for like 25 years.
10:39 He had become an Adventist in prison.
10:41 Okay. And got baptized.
10:45 And when he got ready to get out,
10:46 he tried to contact the churches
10:49 and actually no one responded to him.
10:53 And then he went a step further to contact the conference.
10:56 Okay. And still no one could respond.
11:00 As a matter of fact, he even wrote a letter
11:02 to the General Conference.
11:04 Okay. And no one respond.
11:07 And at UPIM, I ended up with that letter
11:10 and when we got it it was actually unopened.
11:13 I didn't bring it today because it's kind of...
11:16 but he basically was saying was that,
11:19 "Thank you, Seventh Day Adventist,
11:22 but no thank you because I understand the day
11:25 that you do not desire acts of friendness
11:29 to sit next to you in your church.
11:32 So as a result. I am going to go to another church.
11:38 A Baptist church where I can be accepted.
11:41 So that I can experience true love of God."
11:44 What he talks about in Matthew 25.
11:45 Oh yeah, oh yeah, most of that.
11:47 And that day I really just, you know, impressed me to,
11:50 wow, we are missing something here.
11:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly right.
11:54 Now the training transition program
11:56 is entitled The Remote House.
11:59 Talk a little bit about how you got the name
12:01 based out of the cities of refuge in the Bible.
12:03 Give some details of that.
12:05 Well, in the book of Names, chapter 35.
12:08 God told Moses to his establish six cities.
12:13 Three on one side of the Jordan and three on the other.
12:17 One of those cities
12:18 were eventually established in Ramoth in Gilead.
12:23 Now, and it was ordained of God.
12:25 Remote House is ordained of God.
12:29 We were led to establish something
12:33 that was spiritually connected.
12:37 Remote House here that's our primary goal
12:40 is to associate or provide
12:43 spiritual growth, spiritual development,
12:47 so that, you know, the men and women
12:49 that do not have it can have an opportunity
12:52 to know Jesus as a Lord and Savior.
12:54 For those that do, that they can come to know him
12:57 better in the truth of his word.
12:59 It's interesting that Yahweh use the cities of refuge
13:03 as an example.
13:05 Because part of the aspects of the cities of refugees,
13:08 if a person was accused of murder,
13:11 they could run to the city of refuge
13:13 and receive a fair trial.
13:15 And it's interesting that some of the people
13:16 that you are dealing with are ex murderers,
13:19 they are ex convicts, things like that.
13:21 And it's like they can come to this house for refuge.
13:24 And to learn of God and to get fair treatment
13:26 and things like that.
13:27 Well, when you hear the word "refuge,"
13:29 it actually means a place of safety.
13:32 Now in the Bible, the people
13:35 that were able to go to the city
13:36 were people that have that had committed murder unaware.
13:41 Yeah. That was right.
13:42 Or something happened that they didn't know
13:44 or they didn't intend to do.
13:45 Now, dealing with the word refuge, we wanted a place
13:49 where people could come, where they would not feel
13:54 they destroyers of society.
13:57 So they would feel secure in their environs
13:59 and their environment.
14:00 Okay. And so they will feel safe.
14:02 So we, you know, God gave us Ramoth
14:06 as a house of refuge
14:08 Now there's three phases of ministry.
14:10 Three phase of ministry, and you said
14:12 this is the preventive phase, the redemptive phase,
14:14 and the post incarceration phase.
14:16 Talk about each one of these phases.
14:18 Well, initially,
14:21 Prison Ministry had been made to understand
14:24 what it entails is going into prisons
14:28 and worshipping with the men and women that are there,
14:32 sharing the gospel, you know, the word of God.
14:35 And yet, God has shown us
14:36 that it extends a little farther than that.
14:39 There is the preventive phasing.
14:42 In other words, there are people that are living lives,
14:46 lives out there now
14:48 and the things that they are doing is
14:50 going to lead them to prison.
14:53 However, we understand today
14:55 that United Prison Ministry International
14:57 can do something to affect that group of people.
15:01 Then of course, there's a redemptive state
15:03 where we are already, you know, primarily involved in.
15:06 And that's gone into the prisons.
15:08 As a matter of fact, we go to prisons
15:10 on Sabbath evening on Sabbath.
15:12 Okay. And then we go Mondays.
15:15 And then we'll go into a kind of jail now,
15:18 a home church on Sunday.
15:21 And then of course, the men and women get out of prison.
15:25 And so that's post incarceration phase.
15:27 Now to prevent it, they're redemptive
15:30 in the post incarcerated phase so...
15:32 We want to be able to work and in a complete...
15:34 Yeah and the whole aspects of it.
15:36 That's good.
15:38 If somebody was to come
15:40 to your program to Remote House,
15:43 what kind of programs do you offer them
15:47 when they're reintegrating back into society?
15:49 Well, we have established a job training program.
15:55 We have a farm that's called Verbena Hills
16:01 and Verbena Hills farm is being used as,
16:05 as I said, a job training program
16:07 where men can come and they can work in a garden.
16:12 They can work with soil of the earth.
16:15 They can work with what God has given us
16:17 in order to be able to produce something.
16:20 Okay. You know.
16:23 Dirt is kind of like the blood, you know,
16:25 if the blood is not a good thing the body that...
16:28 Yeah. Exactly.
16:30 Plants get their blood from the dirt.
16:34 So if the soil is good and their produce can live
16:39 and, you know, and thrive.
16:41 Exactly, exactly.
16:43 So it's an opportunity for some discipline.
16:45 You know, it's an opportunity like I said,
16:48 to be able to work with your hands
16:50 and also completely organic farm.
16:52 Okay. From sea to fruit.
16:57 There is no, no, GMO, no genetically modified organism.
17:02 You know, in a produce, we are producing this.
17:04 You know, it's designed for providing
17:08 locally grown produce for the community that we're in.
17:12 We eat it.
17:13 You know, the lettuce and the squash
17:15 and the zucchini and tomatoes that are grown.
17:18 So you all have all full garden there that people can work in.
17:21 We have a little over three acres there to work in.
17:23 Okay, praise the Lord.
17:25 And you know, and we also have an area where people can come
17:28 and just, you know, pick produce,
17:31 you know, at their leisure.
17:33 Now how could an inmate obtain residence at the Remote House?
17:38 Or if a family member viewing this program, they say,
17:42 "Okay, well, look I want to send my brother,
17:43 my sister, mother, father,
17:45 whoever it is, to this type of program."
17:48 How would they go about doing something like that?
17:49 Well, of course, right now there is a screening process.
17:54 And an application has to be field out.
17:56 And we have an advisory board that reviews application.
18:01 And you know, accept or approve or decline an applicant.
18:05 Now we are not denying anyone opportunity to come.
18:09 We just had that process that, you know,
18:12 to men and women have to go through.
18:14 Okay, okay.
18:16 What is the capacity of the house that you hold?
18:19 We have the capacity right now is for 12 guests or residents.
18:25 Okay, okay.
18:26 So if somebody...if it was an inmate from another state,
18:29 like you mentioned about the gentleman from Texas.
18:32 If a person is not locked up, not incarcerated
18:35 in Verbena, Alabama or anywhere in Alabama,
18:38 can they obtain residence at your program
18:40 or do they have to be an inmate in the state?
18:43 Oh, absolutely. Okay.
18:45 You know, one at the time understand that
18:48 this is not a UPMI effort.
18:51 Okay. It's a world effort.
18:52 Praise the Lord.
18:53 The church, everybody has to be involved
18:56 in order for this to be able to come to the full fruition
18:59 that we decided God has shown us that it can be.
19:03 You know you asked about the things that we offer.
19:06 Not only do we offer jobs or any,
19:08 you know, in the future we want to have councils.
19:11 That will be able to,
19:13 to give classes in things like anger management.
19:17 Financial planning because you have a lot of men and women,
19:20 they get out of prison.
19:21 And they've been out for such a long period of time.
19:24 Some of them have problem of making simple decisions.
19:27 Yeah, that is true.
19:28 So we want to offer, you know, these type of tools.
19:31 Substance abuse counselors.
19:33 You know, we don't have counselor.
19:34 But, you know, we offer healthy eating habits.
19:38 You know, because when people get out of prison,
19:40 they don't have anything.
19:42 So we are providing a place to stay.
19:44 Okay. We're providing the foods.
19:47 We're providing a work environment.
19:50 And we also want him to provide emotional stability.
19:55 Praise the lord.
19:57 What have you noticed
19:58 in working with many people over years
20:01 that has caused people to be repeat offenders?
20:04 Is it maybe they don't have the support system?
20:08 What do you think it is with some people?
20:10 Well, their support system is a part of it
20:13 and it's very important.
20:16 However in my life,
20:17 I found out that
20:19 when you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior,
20:21 there is a change that comes about.
20:25 You know, you're thinking is transform.
20:27 So God has to, one, you have to allow God
20:31 to change the way that you think.
20:34 You know, because
20:35 as a Christian as a child of God,
20:37 you know, you don't think like, you know, people in the world.
20:40 And the second thing that God showed me is that
20:42 we must change our environment.
20:46 A lot of people have a tendency of going back to the places
20:48 that they came from.
20:50 And when you do that,
20:52 then you pretty much get to same results.
20:55 The recidivism rate, you know,
20:57 just for the state that I come from, Alabama,
20:58 it's like ten people get out of prison, seven return.
21:03 You know, not in my heart, that's not acceptable.
21:06 I know that God's not pleased with that number.
21:07 Oh yeah, oh yeah.
21:09 You know, there's a lot of work
21:10 that many Adventist churches can be doing.
21:12 Yes. And that many are doing.
21:15 To help, to help the rate, maybe decrease some.
21:19 Now you are offering a CHOICES program.
21:22 Give a little details about this CHOICES program
21:25 and what it involves.
21:27 CHOICES is an acronym that stands for
21:30 Concern How Innocent Children Evolve Socially.
21:35 It's the first phase of Prison Ministry, preventive phrase.
21:40 What we want to do is to be able to, as matter of, fact
21:44 we've contacted the superintendent
21:46 in the area of schools where I come from.
21:51 We are all offering our sales, men, women
21:54 that have been incarcerated.
21:55 And also other members of the community
21:58 to be able to go into the schools.
22:01 And not just schools, into the churches
22:04 and whatever institution that we were invited at no cost.
22:09 You know, it doesn't cost anything.
22:10 Nobody's paid anything.
22:12 We want to be able to share with our youth the experiences,
22:18 the pain, the agony, the hurt that we experience
22:23 behind or because as a result of the choices there we make
22:26 with a hope and a pray that it will enable them
22:30 or affect their lives
22:31 that they will make different choices in their own life.
22:34 For a, a ministry or just the average person
22:38 that has the burden of the souls,
22:41 people incarcerated, whatever it may be.
22:43 And they would like to start a program like
22:46 UPMI's Remote House.
22:48 What are some of the steps that a person would need to take
22:51 to do something like that?
22:53 I think the most important thing is that
22:55 we have a love for God.
22:57 Okay, yeah.
22:59 Now and also, we have to have a love of people.
23:02 Oh, yeah.
23:04 I've come to understand, particularly in my life
23:07 that there was a time that I was in love with things.
23:10 Yeah, okay.
23:12 And which we had to have a love for people.
23:13 And, you know, in prayer for to seek God
23:15 for whatever guidance that you need.
23:18 You know, the Bible actually says. it tells us that
23:20 if we lack wisdom, ask God.
23:22 He'll give it to us. He'll give it to us.
23:24 You know, there are avenues and there are partners
23:26 that they can contact to give them
23:28 all the necessary specific
23:30 or peculiar information in doing this.
23:33 We were bless and fortunate
23:34 that UPMI has already established.
23:37 And, you know, God gave us a house.
23:42 A family just awarded us some property in the house and...
23:46 You know, we knew that this was something
23:48 you know that God wanted us to be a part of.
23:50 Praise the Lord.
23:51 So it takes the love of God which is,
23:54 you know, very, very important.
23:56 Okay. And a love for people.
23:59 And that desire, that passion, that compassion
24:02 that you have for people will guide you
24:05 or direct you to spirit of God.
24:08 To where, you know,
24:09 what department you need to talk to
24:11 or of course... Or you contact us.
24:14 We can tell you more, you know, you in more detail.
24:18 Okay, what steps you take.
24:19 Yes. Okay.
24:20 Now I have to ask you this question.
24:22 After 31 years in prison, you come out
24:25 and you haven't gone back to prison.
24:28 What did you implement in your own life to, you know,
24:32 you spent most of your life incarcerated...
24:35 What things did you implement that kept you from going back
24:39 to being another statistic,
24:41 another black man going right back to the penitentiary?
24:44 What if you implement?
24:46 Remember I said earlier there were two things
24:48 that God showed me.
24:49 One was to allow him to change the way that we think.
24:54 And the second thing was to change my environment.
24:59 You know, I realized that
25:01 there was no point in me going around
25:03 people that were drinking and smoking and using drugs.
25:06 And you know, things like that.
25:07 And they should because
25:09 when you don't always get same result.
25:12 So God showed me that I had a new family.
25:16 And my family was into doing this.
25:17 So I went...You know, after I got out of prison,
25:20 I realized that I was an Adventist
25:23 because I believed that Christ is coming again.
25:26 Then I realized it allows a Seventh-day Adventist
25:29 because I believe in the Bible Sabbath day.
25:33 So I had to find a church that my family,
25:36 my church family that was serving God
25:39 according to the truth of his word.
25:41 And I did that, I found a church.
25:45 And then I begin to, you know, with an urgency.
25:50 To, to be involved in God's church.
25:53 Yeah, that very important.
25:55 You know, it's really time for us
25:57 to be about our father's business.
25:58 Exactly, exactly.
25:59 And so, you know, once I,
26:02 as I continue to allow God to change my mind,
26:04 my way of thinking, you know,
26:06 and allow Him to give me the strength to be able to say,
26:09 "No, I'm not going there and change my environment."
26:11 You know, I just try to surround myself
26:14 with people that, you know,
26:15 they serve with the love of Lord.
26:16 Yeah, a lot more positive people.
26:19 What I want to do,
26:20 I want to take me about 30, 45 seconds or so
26:22 and I want to look into the camera
26:24 and I want you to talk to those,
26:26 those individuals that are heading to the streets
26:28 or those that are in the streets,
26:30 the mother and the father
26:31 that have children that are out there.
26:33 Talk to them and give them some words of encouragement.
26:37 You know, I was once doing a ministry in a county jail
26:42 and after that I gave my testimony,
26:45 I think I gave my testimony.
26:47 One of the guys came up and shared with me.
26:50 He said, "Steve, if God will save you,
26:53 He can save anybody."
26:55 So what I want you to hear from that
26:58 is that be encouraged.
27:00 You know, whatever you tried
27:02 obviously has not given you the peace or prosperity
27:04 that you desire in life.
27:06 Try Jesus. He is a guarantee.
27:09 Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
27:11 You know, and even, even looking back on my life,
27:13 and I know for you looking back on your life,
27:17 you had the things where
27:18 maybe you were happy you know one point
27:20 but it never gave you that inner joy, that inner peace.
27:23 And even though things may not go
27:24 right for us every day of the week being, a Christian,
27:27 there's that peace, that inner joy
27:30 that you can't get from anywhere else except Jesus.
27:33 And I'm sure you can attest to that, right?
27:35 Because we have to remember that as ambassadors for Christ,
27:42 God desires of us to display the love
27:45 that we've come to know in Him through His son.
27:48 Okay, okay.
27:49 Folks, we'd like to thank you
27:51 for tuning into the New Journey.
27:53 Please make sure to tune in next week
27:55 for another exciting program of the New Journey.
27:58 Mr. Radford, Thank you so much.