Participants: Aaron Chancy (Host), Keisha & Trecia Lyon
Series Code: TNJ
Program Code: TNJ000053
00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:03 Parents are cautioned that some material
00:04 may be too candid for younger children.
00:10 Welcome to the New Journey,
00:11 a program where you meet real life people
00:14 with real life testimonies,
00:15 doing real life ministry for Jesus Christ.
00:17 I'm your host Aaron Chancy.
00:19 Come join us on a New Journey.
00:55 Welcome back to the New Journey.
00:57 Today, we have a set of twins on the program
00:59 and you definitely would not want to miss this.
01:01 Like to thank you all for being on the program today.
01:03 Thank you.
01:04 Thank you for having us.
01:06 For the record what's your names.
01:07 How old are you? And where you'll from?
01:09 Well, my name is Trecia Lyon.
01:11 I'm Keisha, and we're 33.
01:14 Thirty three years old, okay.
01:16 Talk about where you're from?
01:18 Well, we both grew up in Jamaica.
01:19 We were born and raise in Jamaica.
01:21 Came to America at the age of 13.
01:24 Grew up in Brooklyn, New York.
01:25 Okay, okay.
01:26 What was it like making that transition
01:28 from Jamaica to Brooklyn, New York,
01:30 from out of the states into the United States,
01:33 what was it like?
01:34 Difficult. Okay, okay.
01:36 We had Jheri curls, so it was really difficult.
01:39 I would say it was definitely a culture shock...
01:41 Okay, okay.
01:42 Culture shock, because we grew up
01:44 in the country of Jamaica so we were sheltered
01:45 and then moved directly to the city.
01:48 Exactly what part of Jamaica did you guys grow up?
01:50 We grow up in Clarendon.
01:52 Clarendon, okay. Yes.
01:53 Okay, I'm not familiar with that,
01:54 I have been to Jamaican,
01:56 I'm familiar with Montego Bay stuff like that,
01:57 Kingston, Jamaica.
01:59 But you all are from the city.
02:00 No, it's the country.
02:01 So to go from the country to Brooklyn, New York,
02:04 I can imagine that's a very extreme culture shock.
02:07 So talk about your early childhood life.
02:09 What was it like things that you got involved in
02:11 at a younger age,
02:12 the household that you came from?
02:14 Talk about that a little bit?
02:15 Go ahead.
02:17 Well, we grew up in Jamaica like our father was a pastor.
02:20 And we went to church regularly on Sundays.
02:22 We're not Seventh-day Adventist
02:24 and when we came to America, that changed a lot.
02:27 We started becoming
02:28 more involved with the street life
02:32 and that kind of changed us
02:33 and changed our perception of the world.
02:35 Okay. Now, you mentioned that you went to church on Sundays.
02:39 What was the religious background
02:40 of the household growing up?
02:41 Pentecostal. Pentecostal, okay.
02:43 So, your father was a Pentecostal Preacher.
02:46 You went to church on Sundays were,
02:48 you know, you hear some people say that,
02:50 "Yeah, we're Pentecostal whatever or whatever religion.
02:52 But we only went to church every now and again.
02:54 Where you all there like weekly?
02:55 We were there every day religiously.
02:56 Every single Sunday.
02:58 They were very strict.
02:59 Sunday school. Okay.
03:00 I mean even Sunday evening worship.
03:02 Okay. Yeah, it was strict household.
03:03 What was it like growing up in the household?
03:06 Did you have the mother and the father in the home,
03:08 siblings, how was that life?
03:10 Well, both our parents were there,
03:13 they are still married.
03:14 Okay, praise the Lord.
03:15 Now we've got three brothers, like three brothers.
03:18 That was like five of us.
03:19 That grew up together. Yes.
03:21 Okay, okay.
03:22 Now, where are you all at on,
03:23 you're the oldest, the youngest, middle?
03:25 We're the middle. We're the middle.
03:26 Okay, okay, that's great.
03:27 So you came from Jamaica.
03:29 You moved to, migrated to Brooklyn.
03:32 And I assume you all were in about middle school
03:34 about seventh, eighth grade at that time?
03:35 We came in the eighth grade. Yeah, how they call it.
03:37 Okay, so how was it transferring
03:39 from schools in Jamaica
03:41 to a school in Brooklyn, New York?
03:44 It was very difficult the transition
03:46 because we had strong accents.
03:49 And we looked differently, we dressed differently.
03:52 And I mean, children in that age don't definitely,
03:55 you know, like difference.
03:57 They want to be like them.
03:59 And so, we were beaten up, we were I mean,
04:04 they were at us all the time.
04:05 One time we didn't go to school,
04:07 I didn't go to school for two weeks at a time
04:08 because it was just that crazy.
04:11 So, it was hard to really adapt to the situation.
04:14 Then on top of it, you know, being in Jamaica,
04:17 it's a uniformed country.
04:18 So, you wear uniforms to school,
04:20 you all look alike.
04:21 And going to a school in America now,
04:23 everyone looks different,
04:24 and we were not like the flyest chicks
04:26 in the block hood.
04:27 We weren't looking at all.
04:28 I mean, once...
04:30 We thought we were.
04:31 You thought you were.
04:33 It was like the tablecloth, we had a skirt,
04:34 we weren't allowed to wear pants
04:35 when we were growing up.
04:37 So, you know, I mean the clothes,
04:38 the clothing choice by our parents was just,
04:41 it just wasn't kids friendly, make sure they're friendly.
04:44 So how did y'all deal with,
04:46 with that because pretty much everybody knows how,
04:49 you know, kids tend to pick on each other,
04:51 if your clothes are a little bit different,
04:53 or you don't have a certain type of shoe.
04:55 People tend to pick on
04:57 and it leads to a lot of bullying these days.
04:59 But how did y'all turn to deal with
05:01 being picked on and things like that?
05:05 I cried every day.
05:06 I mean I cried every single day.
05:09 When I came from, I'm from Jamaica,
05:10 every day I cried.
05:12 I just want to go back
05:13 because it was just so difficult
05:14 because you're not used to people being so mean.
05:17 You know, for nothing at all, for no reason at all.
05:18 Just talking was like people made fun of me
05:21 just by the way that I spoke.
05:23 So, just those things which is very disheartening,
05:25 they were discouraging I think.
05:28 You know, you started building,
05:29 things started building up inside of you
05:31 as a result of that.
05:32 I don't think there's the way
05:34 you can deal with it at that age.
05:35 Thirteen years old, and you're getting bullied,
05:37 and there's just no way.
05:39 It's just pretty much as it's like kind of wait now.
05:42 Now, when we went to high school,
05:43 we dealt with it differently.
05:45 We had to have a different persona.
05:46 We were no longer those little girls that get,
05:48 you know, we were beating people up.
05:50 You know, we had to be tough.
05:52 And that's kind of how I'm not saying,
05:53 that's the way to do it,
05:55 but that's gonna how we have to do it in Brooklyn.
05:56 Yeah, that's how you adapted, okay.
05:57 Well, growing up as twins,
05:59 'cause I myself have a set of twins,
06:00 twin daughters and I know that they have a very close bond.
06:04 Talk about their bond that y'all had at a young age
06:08 and how it was even though
06:10 you were around different people,
06:11 even different family members,
06:12 because you have other siblings.
06:14 As well going to school with other people,
06:16 but you always had each other.
06:17 Let's talk about that bond that y'all had growing up?
06:20 Keisha and I were pretty close.
06:23 Especially as teenagers.
06:25 We were very, very close
06:27 because we weren't with our brothers,
06:28 our brothers were still in Jamaica,
06:30 so it was just us.
06:31 So, we formed a very close-knit bond
06:34 that we weren't getting along with our parents
06:35 so we were even closer.
06:36 It's always us against the world.
06:38 Okay, okay.
06:39 It was such a bond, we could actually
06:40 feel each other's pain.
06:42 Something is going on, we were able to feel it.
06:43 If I had--if she had a headache I had a headache.
06:45 You know, if something was going on her body, I felt it.
06:47 Like even one time she had a heartbreak going on.
06:51 And I was in class wondering
06:52 why am I feeling the way I'm feeling.
06:54 I'm heartbroken but why, you know?
06:56 And then I remember wait,
06:58 Keisha is dealing with something.
06:59 Okay. Wow. That's interesting.
07:01 So you mentioned a second ago
07:03 that your parents weren't getting along.
07:05 You and your parents,
07:06 y'all didn't have the best relationship.
07:07 What was going on with that situation?
07:09 I think coming from Jamaica, we were these.
07:12 You know, we were these innocent girls.
07:15 And then we came and it's like bam
07:17 like once we hit like what ninth grade,
07:20 some are like, some were tenth grade, whoa.
07:23 I mean, when you hit that that teenage year,
07:25 you don't really get along that well with them,
07:28 because you have a difference in views, you know.
07:31 And so that, what was going on we,
07:34 you know, start to do things,
07:35 get involved in different things
07:37 that were not right
07:39 and so that was a challenge with them.
07:41 Okay, now you mentioned, you got involved in things.
07:45 And you got involved in drugs using drugs a little bit.
07:50 At what age that y'all been getting involved in drugs
07:52 as well as what drugs did you use.
07:54 And lastly why?
07:56 What was the motivating factor
07:58 that led you towards these drugs?
08:01 We started around like 15, 16.
08:03 We started using marijuana.
08:06 We started alcohol early there on
08:08 because we kind of were around at it,
08:11 even though our parents are Christians.
08:12 They don't have alcohol in the house,
08:13 but we were kind of around other people who did it so.
08:17 As far as like smoking marijuana,
08:18 it was just more like you're around the wrong people,
08:21 the wrong side of people, the wrong group of people,
08:22 that's what they do.
08:23 Even though you know,
08:25 so that it becomes a part of who you are
08:26 and then it becomes easier to try it.
08:28 I think also around that time because, you know,
08:30 we had a traumatic childhood
08:32 around the age of four and five years old, you know,
08:35 so I think around the time we start to numb things,
08:38 things would start to come now,
08:39 that we didn't know how to deal with.
08:42 Memories of our past and so like that,
08:43 so we started to numb, but I know that was,
08:47 that wasn't what I was doing, I was numbing.
08:49 Okay, now in terms of because that's the answer
08:52 that a lot of folks give is that we're trying to numb.
08:55 And I've been there as well,
08:56 where you know you're dealing with different issues.
08:58 And you don't necessarily know how to deal with it
09:00 because, I mean, your young age.
09:03 You don't have the best relationship
09:04 with your parents at times.
09:06 And you begin to self medicate, and y'all did that as well.
09:09 And what were some of the things
09:11 that you were going through at a younger age
09:13 that you felt that led you to that
09:15 or that you were trying to cover up with.
09:18 We were-- Do you want to say?
09:20 I think we were both sexually assaulted
09:22 when we were younger.
09:24 So that was something that forced us
09:26 to kind of try to cover up that pain.
09:28 And then also I don't think we have the best home life.
09:33 It was just more of like dysfunctional.
09:34 Okay. So...
09:36 Lot of conflict in the home.
09:37 You know, it was just like,
09:38 we were just always trying to cover that up.
09:40 We were always trying to kind of
09:41 find a way to deal with that,
09:42 so it was easy to just get involved.
09:44 And just take drugs on as a way of, you know,
09:46 medicating, you're self medicating.
09:49 So when y'all began using marijuana, alcohol,
09:53 did your parents know at the time,
09:55 or was it kind of secretive, or how did that went?
09:57 It was not like we were hiding
09:58 because we had no fear of anything.
10:00 Yeah, we had no fear.
10:01 We didn't fear of anybody.
10:03 We probably didn't fear God.
10:04 We didn't fear God either. We didn't care.
10:05 You know what I mean, we had a no care attitude so,
10:07 we weren't trying to hide it,
10:08 it was just like if you knew you knew,
10:10 if you didn't know you, you didn't know.
10:11 You don't know. Okay.
10:13 I think they started realizing that we were using.
10:14 Okay, now Keisha,
10:16 you eventually got involved in dancing.
10:19 Talk about your experiences with that,
10:21 what motivated you to get involved in dancing.
10:24 If you could shed some light upon that thing?
10:25 Okay. I was about around 18.
10:29 You know, I didn't have a green card
10:31 and you know, that's something you need
10:33 if you're from the Caribbean.
10:36 But I think for me personally,
10:40 I really was just trying to make a living,
10:42 and so I thought I was cute,
10:45 and so I got involved in that whole lifestyle where,
10:51 I'm taking off my clothes to make a living.
10:55 You know, Aaron, I'm not proud of my past.
10:58 I'm not proud of some of the things I've done.
11:00 But what I am proud of is the woman that I am today.
11:02 Yes, yes.
11:04 And I think those things I've done,
11:06 God has used them to make me a woman of virtue,
11:10 of power, you know, and so I'm grateful for that.
11:12 You know, it's amazing where God can take us from
11:16 and He changes us, molds us, shapes us,
11:20 and has us learn from our situation,
11:22 and then turns around
11:23 and we can go back and get others.
11:25 Basically saved to serve, which is a beautiful thing.
11:27 Now, before you got involved in a dancing,
11:30 you were involved in selling drugs.
11:32 Talk about that experience
11:33 why you got involved in selling drugs?
11:35 What were some of the drugs that you were selling?
11:37 Shed some light on that experience?
11:39 I sold, I sold weed.
11:44 You know, I think at that point,
11:46 I want to make a little money.
11:48 It was just the thing to do.
11:50 And so, I would bring it to school
11:53 stash it in certain places, and certain body parts.
11:56 And I would take it to school and distribute it.
11:59 And I would also smoke my own.
12:02 Okay. Smoking your own product, okay.
12:04 Yes, I would. Okay.
12:05 So, but that's kind of what it was
12:07 just want to make a little money
12:09 and also I guess just you know, living the life I guess.
12:13 Not really caring about anything.
12:15 Yeah, it's almost like when you get in that life,
12:17 one thing adds to the next and the next and the next
12:20 and it's almost like you're on this downward spiral.
12:23 And it's almost like,
12:24 you have to cover up this was something else.
12:27 It's almost like a lie.
12:29 Where you tell a lie,
12:30 and then you have to cover up that lie with another lie,
12:32 and now you're on a downward spiral of lies.
12:36 Question to you Trecia,
12:38 as your sister was selling drugs, she was dancing.
12:42 What were some of the things that you were involved
12:44 in at that time?
12:46 Well, I was always the, you know,
12:49 the one that was, well behaved more.
12:50 Yeah, I was better behaved than she was.
12:53 So while she was selling drugs,
12:54 I probably was going to classes,
12:56 for the most part I'm trying to go to classes
12:57 every now and then.
12:58 As far as dancing, I understood what she was doing,
13:00 I understood why she did it.
13:01 Did I condone it? No, not at all.
13:04 But I understood why?
13:05 Because we were both
13:06 going through situations at that time.
13:08 You know, I was pregnant with my daughter at that time
13:10 and we were both illegal aliens.
13:14 We didn't have any money.
13:15 We didn't have anything so I understand,
13:17 she's trying to make a living but,
13:18 but I'm so thankful that God turned our lives around
13:21 and turned her life around and now she can speak of that
13:24 as in the past and not as what it is.
13:26 Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely.
13:27 You know, as it is right now so, I'm grateful for that.
13:30 For both of you, what eventually led you
13:34 to the Seventh-day Adventist Church
13:35 because you mentioned that
13:37 your father was a Pentecostal preacher?
13:40 Grew up in a Pentecostal household?
13:42 How did you learn about
13:43 the Seventh-day Adventist Church,
13:45 the Sabbath, what brought you all to this?
13:48 You know, I'm going to say this really quickly is that
13:50 we moved from Flatbush to Crown Heights
13:54 right across the street,
13:56 right across from Seventh-day Adventist Church.
13:58 And every day they used to come and sing the song,
14:00 I know that I can make it, I know I can--
14:02 And I'm like why don't these people
14:03 should be quiet you know,
14:05 like they would come outside of the corner and sing it.
14:08 So, I didn't know that guy had something like
14:12 I will do something because chances are
14:14 if I wasn't right across the street,
14:16 I wouldn't have gone to the church.
14:18 Yeah, definitely.
14:19 So, what happened was that I became pregnant.
14:23 And I had dropped out of high school,
14:25 plus I went to several different high schools.
14:27 And so about five
14:29 and I dropped out of the last one
14:32 and I was supposed to go take my GD.
14:35 Things didn't work out the way
14:37 how I had planned for to work out,
14:38 so across the street from me that they had a GD program.
14:42 And so, I end up going over there to inquire about it.
14:46 And I started the GD program there.
14:48 And that's how I got involved.
14:50 But the thing about is that made me
14:51 start to really go with that,
14:52 the pain that I was feeling was, it was--
14:56 I'm speechless thinking about it.
14:58 It was a very deep part of my life,
15:00 I was so depressed.
15:01 I couldn't get out of bed, I couldn't really,
15:03 you know, I was that depressed.
15:04 And I'm gonna ask God to,
15:07 Lord, you know, 'cause I was pregnant.
15:09 Lord, sent Your angles to rub my stomach.
15:11 Lord, you know, let Your will be done.
15:13 At that point I still wasn't a Christian.
15:15 But I, you know, we always, we always prayed.
15:17 No matter how bad we were.
15:19 With situation that arose, we always prayed.
15:22 So, one day, I go to church,
15:24 I remember the first day I went to church,
15:26 I was in all black. I had on dark shades.
15:29 And guess what?
15:30 I go to church and the song that they're singing is,
15:32 "I know that I can make it.
15:34 I know that I can stand."
15:35 The same song that your heard constantly, okay.
15:36 And guess what? It hit me because I needed that.
15:39 I needed that so badly and I remember the pastor,
15:42 it was Pastor Stevenson from Charlotte Church
15:44 in Brooklyn, New York.
15:46 And I came home like a Trecia, Trecia, you got hear this man,
15:47 you got to hear this man.
15:49 You know, he-- I think he is so funny.
15:51 And then she came like I don't know when you came but.
15:54 She came home
15:55 and she invited me to church the next Sabbath,
15:57 even though she wasn't a member.
15:59 And I was like okay.
16:01 You know, she said the pastor is funny.
16:02 He's a good speaker I'll go.
16:04 So I went, I went the next Sabbath.
16:07 And then the following Sabbath after that, I got baptized.
16:10 Okay. Yes.
16:11 But let me say this how.
16:12 Okay, we had a Bible worker, her name was Denise George.
16:16 Every time I would try to leave the church,
16:18 that woman would block me.
16:20 I would get out, get up
16:21 and literally early before they finish.
16:24 So that I can go in and not talk to anybody
16:26 or do anyone because we had already been burned
16:28 by church folks from the Pentecostal Church
16:29 though we were kind of a little bitter ready.
16:31 So, I mean, Denise would literally block my way.
16:35 And so, she was the Bible worker
16:37 and so she worked with us and that's how
16:39 we kind of start to learn and listen when we became,
16:41 when we got baptized,
16:42 we still didn't know about the Sabbath.
16:43 Yeah, okay. But she would teach us about.
16:45 Okay your TV is on, you need to turn it off.
16:47 And you know, she would really kind of mold it
16:49 and so she was definitely also and,
16:51 you know, an inspiration.
16:53 In many ways, God was preparing us also.
16:55 You know, because I mean, there were many things
16:57 that he spoke to me about that I needed to stop doing.
16:59 You know, and I needed to behave a certain way,
17:01 this is before I even started going to church
17:03 so the transition in sense was easy.
17:06 I knew I was making a decision to serve God.
17:08 To live for Him completely and I made that decision
17:11 the next Sabbath after the first time
17:14 that I went and I'm thankful that I did.
17:17 You remember when we read the National Sunday Law?
17:20 Way before we ever became Adventist.
17:21 Wow. We read it years and years.
17:23 So years before you actually became
17:24 Seventh-day Adventist Church member.
17:26 God was preparing us.
17:27 Okay. He was preparing us.
17:29 Okay, okay it's amazing
17:30 how we can look back on our lives,
17:31 and just see the hand of God in little events.
17:33 And sometimes, you don't see it at a time.
17:35 No. It's not till years later.
17:37 When you look back and say, "Wow, I see God's hand there.
17:39 I see it here."
17:41 And it's all like a connecting dot
17:42 like the puzzle comes together.
17:44 And you see how God's hand was in things.
17:46 Yes, he's a dot connector.
17:47 Oh, yeah definitely.
17:49 So y'all are learning about the Sabbath,
17:51 baptized into the Seventh-day Adventist church.
17:53 How did your family take this being that you're coming
17:56 from a strong Pentecostal background?
17:59 Not good. We were shunned.
18:00 Okay. Basically, we were shunned.
18:01 When we got baptized,
18:03 no family member came to support us.
18:05 It was the church family. Okay.
18:07 Who came and supported us some.
18:09 You know, our mother
18:11 was mad for a long time for the longest time...
18:13 She cried.
18:14 She thought that we were in the cult.
18:16 She cried.
18:17 And even the other day I found a diary for her
18:18 that I read.
18:20 I shouldn't have read it but I did.
18:21 And it talked about,
18:22 when we became Seventh-day Adventist,
18:24 how my father called and told her
18:25 and how she was hurt and she was bruise.
18:27 I mean, my parent are good people.
18:29 You know, but their,
18:30 their view of things are so different
18:32 from, from how we see it.
18:33 Okay, okay.
18:34 You know, but yes, they were very upset.
18:36 They were angry, they were hurt.
18:37 They thought that we had been deceived.
18:38 Okay, so what do you think that hurt came from deception
18:44 or they just didn't understand how you could.
18:47 Okay, start going to church on Saturday
18:48 the whole Sabbath thing.
18:50 What was it that you think was there,
18:53 the root of their issue why they were so upset?
18:56 I think in that culture.
18:57 I think that I'm not bashing anyone because,
19:00 God has people in every denomination
19:02 and my parents are great Christian people.
19:05 But I think our belief system,
19:07 I think was that if you do not speak in tongues.
19:11 You know, so I think with mom,
19:12 it was more like she was really concerned about our soul.
19:15 Because, you know, at times people
19:16 if you don't know the Adventism,
19:18 sometimes you can misinterpret it.
19:20 Yeah, definitely, definitely.
19:22 So I think that's what it was. I think she didn't understand.
19:24 She didn't know what Seventh-day Adventism was.
19:28 Okay. All about.
19:29 And she just, I think she rejected that
19:31 because she didn't understand.
19:33 Yeah, didn't understand. Yeah. Definitely.
19:34 Looking back on yours life,
19:36 and seeing the different things,
19:38 that you have gone through the using the drugs,
19:40 the molestation at a young age, dancing,
19:43 selling drugs, different things like.
19:44 What are some of the things looking back
19:47 that you regret and why?
19:51 If I can be very honest.
19:54 My biggest regret would be premarital sex.
19:56 That would be my biggest I ever did.
19:58 Okay, okay. Elaborate up on hat?.
19:59 My biggest regret because
20:01 I think that at the age as a result of a molestation,
20:03 I didn't know how to value myself completely.
20:06 So I got into situations
20:07 that I didn't know how to get myself out of.
20:09 You know, and then you kind of like
20:11 think somebody loves you, but they don't really love you.
20:13 Yeah, definitely. You know, so I think that.
20:15 Yeah, I had a daughter at an early age
20:17 and I just wasn't ready to be a mother.
20:19 Okay. You know, I wasn't ready so.
20:21 Yes, I would definitely that if I would,
20:22 I would if I could live, relive my life
20:24 that would be a choice.
20:25 I would do differently.
20:27 Definitely, Keisha, how about you
20:28 before you looking back on your life,
20:30 what is something or some things
20:32 that you might change in your life if anything?
20:35 I think, not taking my life seriously
20:38 when I was in my early 20's.
20:41 Just definitely not been through our careers
20:43 and stuff like that.
20:44 You know, but again I'm very grateful for,
20:49 even for my past experience
20:51 that it's really made me who I am.
20:53 Yeah, definitely, definitely.
20:54 The reason I asked the question is, you know
20:57 there are lot of people having premarital sex
21:00 as well as a lot of people that don't take life seriously
21:02 at a younger age or in their 20's
21:04 even 30's and older.
21:05 And, you know, people make mistakes constantly.
21:09 And sometimes they don't know
21:11 why they do it or they're just doing it.
21:13 But you heard somebody say,
21:15 "I wish, I would have listened back then."
21:17 And that's where I'm coming from,
21:19 where my life looking back on it.
21:21 I wish I would have listened. Yeah.
21:23 Because, you know,
21:24 instead of having premarital sex
21:26 I should have listened.
21:27 Instead you know, want to sell drugs,
21:29 wanting to hang out.
21:31 I should have listened,
21:32 because you avoid so many things
21:34 just by listening.
21:36 And that's one thing that definitely needs
21:37 to get across to younger folks.
21:39 Is listen my mom used to say that I am bullheaded, stubborn,
21:43 I'm the type of person
21:44 that if somebody says the stove is hot,
21:46 I literally have to touch it.
21:47 There's just something in me, I have to touch it.
21:49 And so, often that's what happens with a lot of us
21:52 or different events happen in our life.
21:54 Like you say with the molestation
21:56 and we do things.
21:58 When the reality is,
22:00 we should listen to somebody of wisdom
22:03 and that's trying to steer away from these things.
22:06 But sometimes we say, "No, they aren't right,
22:08 they all know what they're talking about, they're older,
22:10 they live many years ago different things like that."
22:13 But listening is very key.
22:14 Listening software, you know.
22:16 I feel like again like I wish one thing that I regret is not
22:19 is going to far different high schools.
22:22 I really wish I had focus and get my life together
22:25 and regardless of what my green card status
22:27 was my immigration or status.
22:29 I wish I had just focused,
22:30 because the woman that I am now is that,
22:33 that's what I look back in regret
22:34 because I would have been so further went in my career.
22:37 I mean, I do have a great career now,
22:38 but you know.
22:41 Keisha, talk about where you considered abortion
22:44 of your child years ago?
22:45 A very deep dark place.
22:47 I will never forget this. Okay.
22:50 I wasn't on good terms with my mother.
22:52 I had just heard some really devastating news
22:53 about the father.
22:55 And I was like man
22:56 and so I what I did was I called my best friend.
22:59 And I was like listen, tomorrow we're going to this clinic.
23:04 And you know,
23:05 you're going to tell your family
23:07 that I had a miscarriage and I'm going to tell my family
23:10 I had a miscarriage okay, and that's what we're gonna do.
23:12 And something I heard a voice.
23:13 Remember, I'm not close to God at that point really.
23:16 You know, I'm not close to my mom or anything that.
23:19 I heard the voice that said, "Call your mother."
23:21 Because I mean, I was so distraught.
23:23 And I called my mom, I said mom I cannot have this child.
23:26 For this man I cannot, I cannot, I can't mom, I can't.
23:30 And she said to me, "Keisha,
23:33 it doesn't matter who or what the father is.
23:37 Your child is a blessing." Yeah, definitely.
23:39 "Carry your child and I will help you."
23:43 And let me tell you something. That was like a relief.
23:47 Me carrying my daughter
23:49 was the best gift that God has ever given me.
23:52 Next to salvation, that is the second best gift.
23:55 Amen. Because it is what it is.
23:57 I mean, whenever I would consider
24:00 because I was very suicidal for a time in my life,
24:02 I was very suicidal.
24:03 It was my daughter, God gave my daughter to keep me.
24:06 And so, I can say that that's...
24:08 Yes, if your gonna think if they know about an abortion
24:11 consider it.
24:12 God does not make mistakes.
24:14 Yeah. We make mistakes.
24:15 But God is the God who creates things within us.
24:18 He is the creator and so he will help you
24:20 and I am a firm believer of that.
24:21 Definitely, definitely.
24:22 Talk briefly about you both are single mothers,
24:25 talk about the joys,
24:27 the ups and downs of being single mothers?
24:31 Well, I guess, I was thinking about the right choice, right?
24:34 Okay. I chose that path.
24:37 You know what?
24:38 It is a challenge because you're doing it by yourself.
24:40 And the values that you're teaching your child
24:42 that you're teaching your child by yourself.
24:44 And then the child becomes more like you by environment
24:46 rather than by genes, you know, what I mean.
24:48 So, it is a struggle.
24:51 It's a struggle because you're putting your life
24:53 on hold many times.
24:55 To make sure that your child, you know,
24:56 gets the best of everything and that's what I find.
25:00 And that's what I find that has happened to me.
25:02 However, what I look at is the fact
25:04 that I did bring my child
25:05 and I have a beautiful, beautiful daughter.
25:09 Amen. And who brings joy to my life.
25:11 I feel like there is really
25:13 that's one of the strongest love
25:15 a human being can ever experience
25:17 that for your child.
25:18 So it is hard, it is challenging.
25:21 And I honestly wouldn't do it again.
25:23 I wouldn't do it over, I'm sure wouldn't,
25:25 I love my daughter but I wouldn't do it over.
25:27 But, you know,
25:29 there's that rewarding part of it
25:30 is just seeing your child looking at you
25:31 and loving you the way that she does.
25:33 Amen, amen.
25:34 Now, looking back over your life real briefly,
25:37 talk about the joy that you have now
25:40 in serving God versus the false happiness
25:43 that you had out in the world "world"
25:45 where you were doing drugs,
25:46 dancing different things like that.
25:48 Talk about, talk about that joy that you have now
25:49 that everlasting joy.
25:52 What God brings to your life,
25:53 I mean, what God brings to your life is,
25:57 it makes you speechless.
26:00 I struggled with love, I guess because of the abuse.
26:03 I struggle with not having that love.
26:07 We want to be loved.
26:08 And let me tell you something,
26:10 I remember getting baptized, the day I was getting baptized.
26:11 I cried all day like a baby.
26:14 It was because that God loved me.
26:17 He loved me, this part of myself
26:20 in spite of who I was,
26:21 He just loved me just like this.
26:24 Wow. That's unconditional love.
26:25 Unconditional love.
26:27 Definitely, I want you to--
26:28 I want you to talk briefly into the camera.
26:30 And I want you to talk to that young woman,
26:32 that is dealing with some of the things
26:34 that y'all dealt with.
26:35 Give that young woman some encouragement
26:39 that's dealing with some of that same stuff in her life?
26:42 You know, sometimes you go through things
26:44 and you feel hopeless.
26:46 And you question if you were meant to be alive,
26:49 but you are meant to be alive.
26:51 Nothing that you go through is too hard
26:52 for God to break through,
26:54 and everything that you go through is for reason.
26:56 Sometimes it's your own choice and your own doing.
27:00 But, God can bring you out of it, so there is hope.
27:03 And it doesn't matter
27:04 what your life has been in the past.
27:05 It doesn't even matter what it is right now.
27:07 What matters is who God is?
27:09 And what God will do for you
27:11 because He has a plan for your life
27:12 just like he had a plan for Keisha and I,
27:14 he has a plan for your life.
27:16 And I want to tell you also
27:18 that God is no respecter of persons.
27:20 He is not.
27:22 Like I have a great career now.
27:24 I mean, I'm not where I need to be
27:27 but I am where, you know,
27:29 God wants me to be at the moment.
27:31 And so, if He can do it for me, if He can save you.
27:34 I mean, He can save me, He can save you too,
27:37 so I know that you may be in a place
27:39 where you are broken.
27:40 I know that you may be in a place
27:41 where you are hurting,
27:43 but let just, let God do it for you, just trust Him.
27:45 Amen. Amen.
27:47 I'd like to thank y'all for being on the program.
27:49 Viewers, we'd like to encourage you
27:51 to tune in next time for an exciting program
27:53 of the New Journey.