Participants: Aaron Chancy (Host), Dwight Campbell
Series Code: TNJ
Program Code: TNJ000055
00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:03 Parents are cautioned that some material
00:04 may be too candid for younger children.
00:10 Welcome to The New Journey,
00:11 a program where you'll meet real life people,
00:13 with real life testimonies,
00:15 doing real life ministry for Jesus Christ.
00:17 I'm your host Aaron Chancy,
00:19 come join us on The New Journey.
00:51 We like to welcome you back to The New Journey
00:53 for the exciting program that we have in store for you.
00:56 We'd like to thank you, Dwight, for being on the program today.
00:59 Just for some general background information,
01:02 if you could tell us how old you are
01:03 and where you're from?
01:05 Okay, well, I am 28.
01:06 Okay. And I'm from Toronto, Canada.
01:10 What was it like growing up in Toronto, Canada
01:12 at a young age?
01:14 Well, I could easily compare it
01:16 to that of your typical metropolitan city.
01:19 Considering that Toronto is what,
01:21 the fourth largest metropolitan city
01:22 in North America.
01:25 You know, in addition to being the most multicultural city
01:26 in the world.
01:29 Your early home life growing up in the inner city Toronto,
01:32 what was it like?
01:34 Did you grow up in a single-parent home
01:35 or a two-parent home with siblings?
01:36 How was that?
01:38 Well, fortunately for myself
01:39 I actually did grow up in a two-parent home.
01:41 My parents are actually still happily married today.
01:45 And they have three boys
01:47 and I'm actually the oldest of the three.
01:50 That's great that, you know,
01:52 you say that your mother and father
01:54 are still together because, of course,
01:56 this day and age it's so much, you know,
01:58 broken homes and different things like that.
01:59 Right, last time I read, I believe the divorce rate,
02:02 especially within the black community
02:04 is close to 70% right now.
02:06 Oh, wow.
02:07 Yeah, so, yeah, out of most of my friends,
02:10 I could probably count on one hand, you know.
02:14 Of them, how many of our parents
02:16 are still together.
02:17 Yeah, they have a double parent home.
02:18 Right, exactly. That's very true.
02:20 Growing up in your household,
02:21 what was the religious background?
02:23 Well, my mother, she was born and raised Adventist like,
02:27 you know, her whole life from back
02:29 when she was in Jamaica
02:30 'cause, yeah, my mother and father
02:32 both are originally from Jamaica
02:34 and they migrated to Toronto.
02:37 I guess you could say somewhere between 30-35 years ago.
02:40 Okay. And they actually did meet in Canada.
02:43 You know, but my father
02:45 he did have somewhat religious background,
02:47 but he wasn't really that religious at the time.
02:50 You know, but my mother was always
02:52 the primary religious one.
02:55 You know, and it wasn't until I'd say
02:56 when I was probably about 10 or 11,
02:59 when my father started coming to the church
03:01 and then he got baptized
03:02 and he's basically never turned back ever since.
03:04 Oh, great.
03:05 Now he's currently either the, I believe, he's, yeah,
03:08 he's an elder in the church.
03:10 Okay. He's no longer deacon.
03:11 Okay, amen.
03:13 Growing up in a predominately Seventh-day Adventist home
03:16 at a young age,
03:17 what was your own
03:18 spiritual life like for yourself?
03:21 Well, I can't necessarily say
03:23 that I grew up in a Seventh-day Adventist home
03:25 my whole life.
03:26 Although, my mother was always Adventist
03:28 because upon her coming to Canada
03:30 one of her first experiences
03:33 in the Seventh-day Adventist church
03:34 wasn't really that warm
03:35 or that welcoming to say the least.
03:38 So she stopped going
03:40 but then she met a lady on the bus one day
03:42 who was attending
03:43 the Seventh-day Pentecostal Church.
03:46 And we basically, that was the church
03:47 I'd actually was christened into, you know.
03:50 I grew up there, learned how to play drums,
03:52 everything and it wasn't until around the time when I was 10
03:55 when 9-10ish when we started
03:57 going back to the Adventist church.
03:59 But we were always Sabbath keepers though.
04:01 I've never really known any other day.
04:02 Okay, okay.
04:04 What were some of the negative influences
04:05 in your life
04:07 whether in the home or whether friends?
04:08 What were some of those influences back
04:11 when you're growing up?
04:12 Some of the negative influences,
04:14 I guess, I could say
04:17 kind of stemmed from the fact that, you know,
04:22 the devil first and foremost finds it easy, you know,
04:25 he always finds things for ideal hands.
04:27 Yeah. You know. Definitely.
04:29 Another thing that, I know, it kind of came out, I mean,
04:32 it wasn't really necessarily negative
04:34 but it kind of ended up being that way,
04:35 was, I found it hard
04:38 because I really loved sports...
04:41 You know, basketball in particular.
04:44 And every single basketball tournament
04:45 or a lot of our exhibition games
04:47 will take place on Saturday.
04:48 You know, also as a result I would get very discouraged,
04:51 you know what I'm saying
04:52 because I wouldn't really be able to do
04:54 what I wanted to do, you know,
04:55 and when I looked back on it now
04:58 basketball was like a safe haven for me.
05:01 You know, 'cause I wouldn't find myself
05:04 in near this much trouble, you know.
05:07 But, yeah, as the basketball started,
05:09 as I started realizing that this was a uphill battle,
05:11 you know, be Seventh-day Adventist
05:13 and trying to play sports.
05:14 I can relate.
05:16 You know, I definitely, yeah, the devil definitely find,
05:19 started finding things for me to do unfortunately.
05:21 Definitely, and we're gonna talk about those shortly.
05:23 But, you know, you said something interesting
05:25 which I can relate on where it seems
05:27 for a lot of young African-Americans
05:29 basketball, football, sports
05:31 seems to be like that's the major goal.
05:33 And I remember, for myself,
05:34 growing up that's the aspirations
05:36 I had basketball, football
05:38 but I always had an uphill battle
05:40 like you said dealing with the Sabbath.
05:43 And, you know, people will say,
05:44 "Well, what you're gonna do about the Sabbath?"
05:45 Well, I'm young 11-12, to me it didn't matter.
05:48 Right. I have my dream.
05:50 I knew what I wanted to do.
05:51 And it seemed like when those slipped away from me.
05:53 That's one of the motivating things
05:56 that I started going downhill with.
05:59 And, you know, that happens, it seems to a lot of us
06:01 because we have those aspirations
06:03 and we haven't developed
06:04 our own one-on-one relationship with God,
06:07 and we put all our energy in the sports.
06:09 And when that doesn't happen, it's like what else is there.
06:12 You know, what do you think
06:14 were some of your positive influences,
06:15 growing up?
06:17 Some of my positive influence
06:18 is obviously that had to stem from my parents,
06:21 you know, my father was always
06:23 obviously very intricately involved,
06:25 you know, in my life and he was always very,
06:27 I guess you could say my number one supporter.
06:29 You know, some of my other positive influence
06:32 is stemmed from church
06:34 and some of the friends that I had.
06:36 And from young, you know,
06:38 I used to really love being involved,
06:40 you know, like I was involved with Pathfinders,
06:42 I used to be the kid that used to recite all the memory verses
06:46 and things in Sabbath.
06:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So every 13th Sabbath?
06:49 Right, exactly.
06:50 Every 13th Sabbath,
06:52 I definitely couldn't do that now, I don't think.
06:54 But, yeah, those are some of my positive influences,
06:59 you know, I used to love being very involved
07:01 and that's something that I enjoy even till today.
07:03 Okay, now you said something interesting
07:04 being that you were involved,
07:06 what do you think led you to other things
07:10 being that you were involved in the church,
07:12 so heavily involved in Pathfinders,
07:13 involved in different events that were going on in a church
07:16 because often, you know, I've had people come to me say,
07:20 well, you know, what should we do for the young people.
07:22 And answer is sometimes given,
07:24 I gave that answer a long time ago
07:26 where I said where they need, kids need to get involved.
07:28 But the reality is you're one that, you know,
07:31 got involved
07:32 but still gravitated to something else.
07:34 Why do you think that transpired in your life?
07:36 Well, because I guess I was very involved,
07:41 but on the other hand
07:42 because I guess I was so involved
07:45 and I couldn't necessarily always do what I wanted to do
07:48 in particular speaking to sport... I mean, specify,
07:50 talking about sports.
07:53 I basically felt like
07:54 there was a feeling of resentment
07:55 towards the church
07:57 and towards the Sabbath for some time, you know.
07:58 And I guess I could even say
08:00 there was some form of resentment
08:02 towards even God.
08:03 Because in addition to the Sabbath issue, you know,
08:06 I'm the first of three boys, you know,
08:09 and my second brother has, he's hypomanic bipolar,
08:15 and my baby brother he has sickle cell anemia,
08:18 you know, so it was like...
08:20 Yeah, so, I mean, it's like all the reins and all of this,
08:23 everything basically on me, you know.
08:24 It seems almost like a whole future
08:27 on the family in a sense,
08:28 you know, it was all on my shoulders at all times,
08:30 you know.
08:32 And I guess I was just trying to find some sort of outlet,
08:34 you know.
08:36 How do you think you dealt with that pressure, you know,
08:39 where it seems like everything is on you.
08:41 How do you think you dealt with it in your life?
08:45 Well, it's something that still follows me
08:48 even till today.
08:49 Okay. You know, truth be told.
08:52 But I find that
08:55 I get a lot of strength from realizing that,
08:58 you know, diamonds are built under pressure.
09:00 You know what I'm saying? Yeah, true.
09:01 Extreme circumstances
09:03 and I just feel that a lot of my trials and tribulations
09:05 are gonna allow me to build character
09:07 and to grow more overall as a human being,
09:11 you know, as an individual.
09:13 Now, you got involved in something's
09:16 in what we term "The Streets",
09:18 weapons charges and things like that,
09:20 talk about those weapons charges
09:21 and some of the other things you were involved in?
09:24 Well, let's cut a long story short.
09:27 I guess it was more so,
09:31 in addition to some of the other issues
09:32 that I was dealing with internally...
09:35 ..like I also I guess didn't want necessarily
09:37 be a liability, you know,
09:39 to my parents anymore, you know.
09:43 And further what I mean, when you turn on the TV
09:46 and you see all these glamorous things,
09:48 you know what I'm saying,
09:49 and now my whole sports outlet was somewhat really eliminated
09:52 because I was unable to really play basketball
09:54 'cause I was, you know,
09:56 the Sabbath issue or what have you.
09:58 It just felt like...
10:00 I don't know, growing into it, I basically just felt like
10:04 it was more so, I felt crippled,
10:08 you know what I'm saying, like being broke
10:10 is basically being crippled, you know.
10:13 And I was doing the school thing
10:14 or what have you but I still couldn't really make money
10:16 and a lot of my other friends, you know,
10:17 who didn't really go to school when I came back home,
10:19 they could purchase or get whatever they wanted,
10:20 you know what I'm saying,
10:22 and I'm struggling still having
10:23 to kind of ask my parents, you know,
10:24 so all these things were started to pileup, you know.
10:29 Then I reached a certain point in my head
10:30 where I realize that I would rather basically be dead
10:33 than be broke, you know,
10:34 'cause being broke is basically being a paraplegic, you know,
10:37 where you are paralyzed, you can't do nothing.
10:38 Yeah, okay.
10:39 Okay, you know, that's interesting
10:41 because pretty much the same thing for me.
10:43 I would, when sports didn't work out
10:46 it was like, "Okay, well, what else do I do?
10:48 Do I be a teacher, do I be a firefighter, what do I do?"
10:52 And there was really no passion for anything else
10:54 except for sports, no backup plan, no plan B,
10:57 all my eggs in one basket that didn't work out.
10:59 And I used to go to school
11:02 and I would see young people 15-16 year olds
11:05 and they got gold teeth in the mouth,
11:06 and tattoos all over their body,
11:08 and cars with rims on them, and music, and it seemed like
11:13 all the females just loved them.
11:14 Right. And I was like, "Wow."
11:16 You know, and it's like an attraction.
11:17 Didn't you turn on a music video
11:19 and you see money being...
11:21 Those things perpetuated even more.
11:22 Definitely and it's like it literally draws you in,
11:26 and it sucks you in, and you know next thing
11:28 you know you're all the way in that lifestyle.
11:32 So you got into that lifestyle,
11:33 and you eventually got incarcerated,
11:35 talk about that experience?
11:36 Yeah, I was at home. Okay.
11:40 It was summer of 2009. Okay.
11:43 And I just came home for basically just a few weeks
11:47 'cause I was doing summer school
11:49 in Alabama at the time.
11:52 And when I came back home for a few weeks,
11:55 cut a long story short,
11:57 I remember one morning my mother,
11:59 I mean, sorry, I was at my parent's house.
12:01 And I saw a black van parked in the driveway
12:04 and it was basically SWAT team, you know.
12:07 Yeah, wow.
12:08 And they raided the house, or what have you,
12:10 they took me and incarcerated me,
12:12 and I was locked up for six weeks.
12:15 And one of the hardest things about being locked up
12:18 beyond just being locked up,
12:20 you know, is not knowing when you're gonna come out...
12:23 Yeah, definitely. ..or if you're gonna come out.
12:25 Because in my county at the time,
12:27 they had me on
12:29 basically it was like a federal weapons charge.
12:32 And my county, at the time,
12:34 they only have a special bail hearing once a week, right?
12:38 And in my county, right,
12:40 you can imagine like is backed up
12:42 for you to get a special hearing
12:44 which only occurs once a week,
12:46 like I basically had to sit down there,
12:47 I mean, sit down for about six weeks.
12:49 Yeah, wow.
12:50 You know, so again the hardest part of it
12:51 was not knowing, you know.
12:53 And I'm telling you, like,
12:55 sometimes when you turn on the TV,
12:57 and you see these prison movies
12:58 so where they'd like to try glorify the prison
13:00 like it's fun and, you know,
13:02 there's always something going on,
13:04 but primarily most of the time you're just sitting down
13:07 doing a lot of nothing.
13:09 And to me, someone who's always been very involved,
13:11 that was the hardest part for me.
13:12 Sitting down and doing nothing, you know.
13:14 And then being under that amount of stress,
13:16 you can think yourself crazy, you know,
13:18 like all I was like I was literally reading
13:20 like at least four or five novels a week.
13:23 You know, in addition to I was reading the Bible every day,
13:25 you know, and some of my favorite Psalms and Proverbs,
13:28 you know.
13:29 And then, I would stimulate my mind
13:32 and then I was obviously workout a lot too,
13:34 you know, a lot of pushups and chin-ups
13:35 or something of that sort.
13:37 So at the time, when I would go to hit my pillow at night,
13:40 like I would just knock out,
13:41 you know, I would just fall right asleep.
13:43 'Cause, yeah, you can like I say,
13:45 you can think yourself crazy.
13:46 I remember, certain times, looking through my window,
13:49 you know, outside and looking at the groundhogs,
13:52 and the squirrels, and the birds
13:54 and just asking God like,
13:55 "I wish I could be a bird or a groundhog right now."
13:59 Definitely. You know what I'm saying?
14:00 I didn't even necessarily just wishing I could be out like
14:02 you know, I envy the groundhogs and the birds at the time,
14:04 you know, and imagine that God
14:06 I wish really gave us dominion over them, you know.
14:09 Yeah, I was definitely in complete envy,
14:12 and jealousy over Mother Nature, you know,
14:14 with their freedom.
14:16 One thing that I've noticed that you said a few times
14:18 is you turn on the TV,
14:20 and you would see you know, things being shown
14:22 with the weapons, with people carrying guns,
14:26 with drugs, with women,
14:28 with all these types of things, with jail,
14:29 prison, you know, being glorified.
14:31 How much of an impact do you think that had?
14:35 Because a lot of times young people will say,
14:36 well, a TV doesn't do anything to me.
14:38 You know, it doesn't really have an impact on me like that.
14:40 But how much of an impact,
14:41 because I've heard you say TV several times,
14:44 so how much of an impact do you think that had?
14:45 For those people who believe that TV has no sort of impact,
14:49 let me just say this,
14:50 repetition is the key to mind control.
14:52 So the more you see something,
14:54 the more you see it all the time,
14:56 naturally the more desensitized you become to it.
14:59 Yeah, definitely. You know.
15:00 And whether you admit it or not, your subconscious,
15:05 you know, is picking it up, you know.
15:08 So naturally these things, to a certain extent,
15:11 start becoming more appealing,
15:14 you know, more glorified, you know.
15:15 Yeah, definitely, definitely.
15:17 You know, I remember,
15:19 some years ago I was researching,
15:20 you know, subliminal messages and things like that and stuff
15:22 that you watch.
15:24 And it was interesting how even certain cartoon,
15:26 certain cartoon movies and all that, you know,
15:29 even I watched as a kid growing up,
15:30 I look back at them,
15:31 and they had subliminal messages in them.
15:34 And, you know, it had certain scenes where,
15:36 and it's only your mind, the back of your mind
15:38 like the recesses of your mind that picks it up,
15:41 and then next thing you know
15:42 you're acting out certain things
15:43 and you have no clue where in the world
15:45 did that even come from.
15:46 And a lot of it stems from the things we watched,
15:48 the things we listen to, you know,
15:50 so Philippians 4:8 is not a lie.
15:53 Where it talks about, you know, whatsoever you do,
15:56 whatsoever you watch, you know, do all to the glory of God.
16:00 And, you know, so what we watch,
16:02 what we do has an impact upon our lives,
16:05 upon how we act, and things like that.
16:08 Eyes are the window to the soul.
16:10 Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely.
16:11 Looking back on your life,
16:13 what are some various instances that you can look back
16:16 and know that you saw the hand of God
16:18 moving in your life?
16:21 There's so many.
16:23 There's really too many, as a matter of fact.
16:27 One in particular, I can think of, though,
16:30 is basically how my situation ended up.
16:33 Like I said, I was on a federal weapons charge.
16:35 I was looking at a potential
16:37 three to four-year minimum had I been convicted.
16:41 August 8, 2011, two years after I was basically incarcerated,
16:46 and charged, and all that...
16:49 ..we walked into the courthouse,
16:52 my mother, my lawyer Donald McCloud,
16:54 he's actually now a judge now.
16:55 He's Seventh-day Adventist as well.
16:57 Okay. Okay. Amen.
16:59 And we walked into court anticipating a week long fight,
17:03 you know, week's long trial,
17:04 and within the first five minutes
17:06 they threw all the charges out
17:08 and just completely dismissed it.
17:10 You know, and I mean like if that wasn't God
17:12 then I just don't know what else is, you know.
17:14 And it was at that moment
17:16 where I was like, "You know what?
17:18 Let me try to get out of the city,
17:20 get back to Huntsville,
17:21 or head back to Oakwood rather and try finish up my schooling,
17:24 and move ahead with my life.
17:27 Okay, so looking back on your life as well,
17:29 and you've seen the hand of God, you know,
17:31 moving in certain situations.
17:34 You got involved with drinking, drugs,
17:37 different things like that.
17:39 What do you think was the motivating factor that,
17:42 where you trying to cover up something?
17:45 What do you think was the motivating factor
17:46 for starting to use drugs,
17:48 and what age where you at that point?
17:51 I'd say roughly around like 17, 18
17:55 is when I kind of experimented a couple of times,
17:58 but when I started more so doing it was more so,
18:00 I guess around the time
18:02 when I was like maybe like 19, 20.
18:04 Okay. You know.
18:06 Was it more just experimental or just social?
18:09 Well, for the drinking that was somewhat experimental
18:12 as well as social.
18:13 Okay. You know.
18:15 And it seemed like, once you started drinking,
18:18 the social gatherings...
18:20 Everything got better. Yeah. Yeah, right?
18:22 And then as for the drugs whatever, I mean,
18:28 I won't say that I necessarily
18:29 dabbled into a lot of hard drugs,
18:32 but I definitely did used to do,
18:33 or consume a fair amount of marijuana.
18:35 Okay. Okay.
18:37 When I had, one thing I can say with that is for me, again,
18:43 I guess it was just kind of like an outlet,
18:45 you know, seeking some sort of outlet to deal
18:47 with some frustrations at some of the curveballs
18:50 that life was throwing me, you know.
18:51 Did you realize,
18:52 and that's what a lot of us tend to say, you know,
18:55 dealing with the frustrations of our life,
18:58 different things like that,
18:59 we use the narcotics, the alcohol,
19:01 the marijuana, you know, whatever the drug is,
19:04 and to cover up.
19:06 But at the end of the day the problem is still there.
19:08 Did you find for yourself that it was pretty much the same end
19:11 'cause you come off that high and, you know,
19:13 still issue is same, it's still there?
19:15 Yeah, yeah, you're right.
19:17 I mean, no matter how much I can smoke or drink,
19:19 like my brothers are still sick.
19:20 Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
19:22 Like, I still have bills to pay, like, you know,
19:23 the situation doesn't ever really change.
19:25 And it comes a point in time
19:27 where you realize that the only person
19:28 who can really help you is God.
19:31 And through my whole situation one thing that really taught me
19:34 was besides God, the only other two people
19:37 who really fight for me, and scratch
19:39 and claw for me all the time are my parents,
19:40 you know.
19:41 They're always in my corner no matter what.
19:43 Yeah. You know.
19:44 And, yeah, they would definitely go around the world
19:46 than back from me.
19:47 Amen. Amen.
19:48 And I can't even, yeah, it doesn't,
19:50 doesn't like to say about that.
19:51 No one else is fighting for me the way they do.
19:52 Yeah, yeah, you're never finding.
19:54 I didn't realize that till later on in life
19:56 because I gravitated so much to friends.
19:57 Right exactly.
19:59 And once you get locked,
20:00 especially if you get locked up,
20:02 then you realize that
20:03 you have to make all these collect calls.
20:06 Like, not too many of your friends
20:07 are gonna pay for those collect calls.
20:08 Yeah, they're not gonna answer the phone calls.
20:10 Yeah, they are not gonna answer them.
20:11 Your parents will answer every single time.
20:13 Yeah, definitely.
20:14 I feel sorry for the bill that my parents probably had
20:15 during that time, you know.
20:17 Oh, yeah.
20:18 And it's funny because when I first
20:19 got into my problem,
20:21 I didn't even wanna call them or nothing for a few days,
20:22 you know what I'm saying, in the times when they would...
20:24 And then finally when I did call them,
20:26 they're like, "Why didn't you call sooner?"
20:28 You know, like they're not even upset about the situation.
20:31 They're just so concerned about me, you know.
20:33 Yeah, definitely.
20:35 And, you know, that is interesting, you know,
20:37 I've been in the same situation.
20:39 Get incarcerated, I don't call my friends
20:41 'cause I know they not gonna try to bond me out,
20:43 they are not gonna answer the collect call.
20:44 But I will call my parents.
20:46 Now, my parents didn't bond me out either.
20:47 That's one thing that, you know,
20:48 my parents always try to, they love me,
20:52 but at the same time if I did the crime,
20:54 basically you're gonna do the time.
20:56 I hear you. You know what I'm saying?
20:57 They will come visit me,
20:58 they will put money on my books,
21:00 you know, so I could buy a little Ramen noodles
21:01 while I was incarcerated, different things like that.
21:03 But in terms of bonding me out, "Nah, you pretty much..."
21:05 I still miss though.
21:06 My parents coming to visit me were actually,
21:09 I actually preferred that they didn't visit me
21:11 when I was in there.
21:12 Because the days when they would come
21:13 and visit me and I'm talking to them
21:15 through this glass, you know...
21:16 Yeah, that's hard.
21:17 Yeah, they're basically tearing up
21:19 and crying and stuff, you know.
21:20 And, yeah, those would be the roughest days for me.
21:22 Yeah, that's a very hard experience where...
21:25 'Cause you realize once you, that it's not only you,
21:28 you realize how much
21:30 what takes place with you or your actions impact others.
21:32 Impacts others around. You know.
21:34 And it makes you feel its bitterness.
21:36 It's a hard pill to swallow.
21:37 Definitely, and I used to wonder how do,
21:39 why would people tell me, especially family,
21:41 that I'm being selfish.
21:42 Right. How am I being selfish?
21:44 It's just me locked up. Right.
21:45 Not realizing that when I get locked up
21:47 everybody gets locked up.
21:48 Right, exactly.
21:49 You know, and, man, it's a trying situation.
21:51 And just the thing that makes me so upset
21:55 is that is so glorified that, you know, people want it,
21:59 and then when you get in that situation
22:00 and you see reality where that glass is there,
22:03 you can't touch your family members,
22:05 you put your hand on there on the glass,
22:07 they can put their hand back but you can't touch them
22:08 'cause they're separate by thick glass,
22:10 talk to them over the phone.
22:13 And it's just is a sad situation
22:14 and then when the visit is close to over.
22:16 Oh, yeah.
22:17 And when your mother, your father leave, man,
22:20 you just see the tears in their eyes, man,
22:21 it's heartbreaking, it's overwhelming.
22:23 Yeah, it is. It definitely.
22:25 What was the point in your life when you realized
22:27 that you needed to make a change?
22:31 Around the time I got locked up.
22:32 Okay. Okay.
22:33 During that point in time is when I realized
22:35 that I really needed to start changing,
22:36 you know, and digging deep.
22:38 And through that whole experience,
22:40 I mean, it allowed me to realize
22:42 that God really carried me, you know.
22:43 And even from the first moment I got to jail or whatever like,
22:47 I was never ever concerned about my safety
22:49 or anything like that.
22:50 You know what I'm saying?
22:51 Like from the moment I was there,
22:53 people just somehow just found favor with me.
22:55 You know, like some of the older guys
22:57 they were like, "Oh, we could tell that
22:58 this is your first time in here."
23:00 You know, but they are like, they are like,
23:01 "Oh, don't worry, as long as we here,
23:02 nobody's not gonna bother you."
23:04 You know.
23:05 And because they knew
23:06 that I actually had been in university or whatever like,
23:09 whenever they were writing letters and stuff,
23:10 they'd always get me to proofread their letters
23:12 and stuff like that, yeah, you know.
23:14 So, yeah, yeah I definitely saw the hand of God
23:17 moving from even when I was in there, you know.
23:19 Okay. Amen.
23:21 Now you currently a student at Oakwood University,
23:25 talk about your major,
23:26 and how your major can impact the world for Jesus?
23:30 I, well, my major is,
23:33 I'm a communications major with concentration in PR
23:36 and a minor in political science.
23:39 So pretty much what I want to do
23:41 is I wanna use my PR background to build a rapport
23:47 within the community, you know.
23:50 Try to do as much as I possibly can get involved, you know.
23:54 And through using the PR to build my rapport
23:57 amongst the community, then I wanna,
23:59 when I get some gray hairs on my head,
24:00 you know, perhaps try to run for public office, you know.
24:03 Okay, okay.
24:05 But running for public office, to me,
24:07 is more so still way a means
24:10 of still accomplishing my endgame goal
24:11 'cause my end term goal is to be a lobbyist.
24:14 Amen. You know?
24:15 And the reason why I want to,
24:17 and a lot of people look at lobbyists
24:19 as being negative or what have you,
24:20 but it really comes down to the cause
24:23 that you're lobbying for.
24:24 Okay. You know?
24:26 And I find that being a lobbyist,
24:28 I would have, I'll be in a position
24:30 to greater effect change than even that of a politician.
24:33 Okay. You know?
24:34 'Cause ex-politicians make the greatest lobbyist
24:36 because obviously special interest groups
24:39 and politicians, you know,
24:41 they obviously wanna have the ear of people
24:44 who can make things happen.
24:46 Okay, okay. You know?
24:47 But being a politician,
24:50 if you don't really have a special interest group
24:52 and lobbyist behind you,
24:53 you will pass little to no legislation.
24:56 It is really the special interest groups and lobbyists
24:58 who have the power to do most things, you know.
25:01 And that's why I really wanna be a lobbyist
25:04 because I feel that I would be in a greater position
25:06 to effect change.
25:08 To effect change, yeah, okay.
25:09 Looking back on your life,
25:11 what are some of the things that you would change
25:13 versus some of the things that you wouldn't change
25:15 in your path that you have grown and learned from?
25:18 If some of the things that I would change would be,
25:21 I guess some of the things that I did growing up
25:22 because I realize now as I get older,
25:25 you know how selfish some of those things were,
25:27 as we were saying.
25:28 But aside from that,
25:31 there's not really much I would change
25:32 because I feel that a lot of the things
25:34 that I've undergone or experienced
25:36 have helped me to mature as a person,
25:38 and build a lot of character, you know.
25:40 And I also feel that it makes me
25:42 a bit more relatable, you know.
25:43 And when I do eventually, you know,
25:47 wanna write my book
25:48 and get ready to run for public office,
25:50 you know, these are, my past is not anything
25:52 that I wanna hide, you know.
25:53 It's definitely something I wanna put out there
25:55 for the world to know, you know.
25:56 Because too oftentimes you find
26:00 that a lot of politicians try to run like they're,
26:03 you know, like they have this white head on their head.
26:05 Yeah, like never did anything, yeah.
26:06 Yeah, exactly. Okay.
26:08 And then it comes back to bite you, you know.
26:10 And then, that's just not realistic, you know,
26:13 like, I mean, everybody has some sort of past, you know.
26:15 Obama has admitted to smoking weed, you know.
26:19 President Bush, I mean, ex-President Bush
26:21 he used to be a cokehead/drunkard, you know.
26:25 So I mean like no one is a saint and just,
26:27 and your past does not mean that,
26:30 I mean does not negatively impact
26:31 your future all of the time.
26:33 Definitely. You know what I'm saying?
26:34 What I want you to do right now
26:35 is I want you to look into the camera,
26:37 and I want you to talk to that young man
26:40 that is going through some of the same things
26:42 that you went through,
26:44 that has the pressure on them, that wants to play sports
26:46 but is dealing with the Sabbath,
26:49 you know, what they should do,
26:50 and even the joy that they can find
26:52 from serving God.
26:53 I want you to talk to that young person right now.
26:57 Dear, young men and young women out there.
27:01 The fast money goes just as fast as it comes.
27:06 It's a priceless feeling
27:08 when you earn something out there
27:10 and no one can take it from you,
27:12 and you don't have to be
27:13 looking over your shoulder at all times,
27:15 worrying about the police or somebody coming to rob you.
27:19 This is not a nice reality whatsoever.
27:23 So my only advice is that whatever you do,
27:27 definitely try to do it
27:29 to the honor in complete glory of God
27:31 and just never be inconsiderate to think
27:34 that what you do only impacts you and you alone,
27:39 because there's a lot of people around you
27:41 who love you more than you can even imagine.
27:45 Well said, well said.
27:46 Dwight, I just wanna thank you for being on the program,
27:49 and it's very much a blessing.
27:51 We'd like to thank you all for tuning in once again
27:53 for The New Journey.
27:54 Be sure to tune in next time for an exciting episode
27:57 of The New Journey.
27:58 Be blessed.