Participants: Aaron Chancy (Host), Wale Adepoju
Series Code: TNJ
Program Code: TNJ000058
00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:03 Parents are cautioned that some material
00:04 may be too candid for younger children.
00:10 Welcome to the New Journey,
00:11 a program where you'll meet real life people,
00:13 with real life testimonies,
00:15 done real life ministry for Jesus Christ.
00:17 I'm your host Aaron Chancy.
00:19 Come join us on the New Journey.
00:52 We like to welcome you back to the New Journey.
00:54 On today's broadcast,
00:56 we have Wale of Frontline Ministries.
00:58 Wale, we like to thank you for being here.
01:00 Thank you so much for having me.
01:01 All right, just for the record, how old are you Wale,
01:04 as well as what let you to start this ministry?
01:07 Okay, I'm 28-years-old, and I'm from,
01:11 I'm originally from Maryland.
01:13 And right now I reside in Huntsville, Alabama.
01:15 Frontline Ministry is just a ministry that,
01:18 me and another guy are the co-founders,
01:20 his name is Robert Mann, he came together.
01:23 And we were just thinking about the trails and the tribulations
01:26 that men go through.
01:29 And how we don't have an outlet
01:30 and there's a lot of problems
01:32 there us men needs to really come together
01:34 and help other men to strengthen them.
01:36 So we can become the priests of the homes
01:37 like we're supposed to.
01:39 Okay, definitely, definitely.
01:40 We're gonna go deeper into Frontline Ministries,
01:42 but let's first talk about
01:43 where you are at now in terms of theology major
01:45 at Oakwood talk about that
01:47 and how you feel that God called you to that.
01:48 Okay, wonderful!
01:50 Well, currently I'm studying theology at Oakwood University,
01:53 right now I'm a junior.
01:56 And I came back to school
01:58 after originally going to Oakwood in 2004.
02:01 The journey has been long.
02:03 I remember even my freshmen year in 2004.
02:05 God had called me through a minister
02:08 that came to Madison mission
02:09 in church down there in Huntsville.
02:12 And he told me about how I was supposed to be doing ministry.
02:16 But back then, you know, I was chasing money,
02:18 I wanted to be an engineer, that's all that mattered to me.
02:21 So I ignored the call back then,
02:23 and it's been a seven year journey
02:25 before I finally answered the call.
02:27 The way that I actually answered the call, I remember,
02:29 I was selling credit cards
02:31 for a major credit card company.
02:33 Won't say the name, but, um.
02:36 And I remember, I had a young lady on the phone
02:40 and I just could tell from her information
02:41 that she was giving me, as I was collecting at that,
02:44 me helping her get this car
02:46 will probably be detrimental to her financial well-being
02:49 'cause she didn't really know anything about credit.
02:51 And I could just tell that
02:53 she really couldn't afford the car.
02:54 Yeah. Okay.
02:55 And because of that, I felt bad while I was signing at the car.
02:58 At the end, she got approved. Okay.
03:00 And she was thanking me.
03:01 You know, so happy that I helped her get the car.
03:03 And I was just feeling very bad 'cause I was like,
03:05 "You don't even know what I just did".
03:08 But the feeling wasn't that bad
03:09 to the point that I quit the job.
03:11 So I kept working for about three more months.
03:12 Okay. And eventually, I got fired!
03:16 What happened actually that morning,
03:18 I was just really realizing that I wasn't doing
03:20 what I really wanted to do with my life, I had no purpose,
03:22 I was just working a job, paying bills.
03:24 And I prayed that morning before I went to work.
03:26 I remember, I was in the shower,
03:28 and I said "God,
03:29 I need you to bring the drive back into my life,
03:32 help increase my drive."
03:35 As soon as I prayed that prayer,
03:36 got to work and got fired.
03:38 That's one way to increase the drive.
03:40 Exactly. Lose the job.
03:42 So I kind of just sat around and I didn't know what to do.
03:46 I was so low
03:47 I guess, I'm gonna read my Bible.
03:50 So I started reading my Bible. Wow! Okay.
03:52 And I start going to church regularly again,
03:54 'cause I had stop going for a while.
03:55 And I remember about a month later,
03:57 I had read something previously,
04:00 and a month later I heard in a morning devotion,
04:03 one of the elders was talking about the scripture
04:05 where Jesus talking to Peter and said, "Pray for you,
04:08 the devil is desired you to sift you" as we, you know,
04:12 but when you are converting strength in your brethren
04:15 and that just strength in your brethren
04:17 just stood out to me.
04:18 And I had no idea why at the time,
04:20 so I got into, you know, like I said,
04:22 I was searching for where my niche was.
04:25 I went to helping kids with a great organization,
04:27 now they're called Village of Promise.
04:28 They have a lot of things.
04:30 I was doing Bible classes,
04:31 a Bible teacher in the morning in a public school...
04:33 Okay. Elementary school. Wow!
04:35 And during that time,
04:37 because she liked me from what I was doing as volunteer,
04:40 she asked me to be hired on to a program
04:43 that was going on during the summer.
04:44 It was the summer reading program.
04:46 And because of that summer reading program,
04:48 that's how I submit Robert Mann,
04:51 the co-founder of Frontline.
04:52 And we just talked, we just had a talk session
04:54 'cause this is actually his girlfriend at the time
04:57 was working there and helping me,
04:59 and we got connected that way,
05:00 and we just came with the idea "Let's do something."
05:03 Okay, okay.
05:05 So then you started at Oakwood as a,
05:07 as a theology major you answered the call finally,
05:10 and what tract are you're taking?
05:12 Because there are different concentrations,
05:14 what tract are you're taking?
05:15 And what do you plan on doing with it when you finish?
05:18 That is correct.
05:20 Well, I'm actually trying to go through the chaplaincy track.
05:23 So just to clarify, you know,
05:24 there's you can major in biblical languages...
05:27 Yes, you have ministerial theology.
05:29 And I'm doing the chaplaincy track
05:31 because I really want to have a base in prison ministry.
05:34 Okay, okay.
05:35 The reason why?
05:36 There's a lot of different reasons.
05:38 I know I would be in prison
05:39 if it wasn't for actually a girl.
05:42 I followed a girl down to Huntsville, Alabama.
05:45 And that's the only thing that it took me out the setting
05:47 where actually all my close friends
05:49 have been locked up in and out of jail.
05:50 And I would be running, I know,
05:52 I would be running with them had I stayed in Maryland.
05:53 Wow, okay.
05:55 So that gave you a motivation for wanting to do
05:57 prison ministries and things, correct?
05:58 Yes sir. Okay, okay.
06:00 So you eventually you and now mister Mann
06:02 you started Frontline Ministries,
06:04 how many people are involved in the ministry?
06:06 As well as what are some of the key things
06:08 that y'all do in the community?
06:10 Okay, wonderful.
06:11 Actually, right now we have above 14 active members,
06:14 and we have a lot of volunteers,
06:15 a lot of support from the church,
06:17 local church and community.
06:19 And basically, some of the things that we do
06:21 the main thing that we have right now,
06:22 we have a program at a community center
06:24 it's in a housing development called a Norwood Project.
06:29 And it's in Huntsville, Alabama once again
06:30 and we do a Calvary Hill Community Center Program
06:33 where basically we invite the high school aged young men
06:37 to come in and we feed them,
06:39 and we give them real life lessons,
06:41 life courses, but...
06:44 The foundation of it is spiritual.
06:46 We use the Bible as the foundation.
06:48 So basically one of the things that we've done recently is,
06:52 I remember, we had this one program
06:54 where we're just teaching them something simple,
06:55 a simple skill like tying a tie.
06:59 The thing about is
07:00 we take for granted these little simple things
07:02 that we know how to do.
07:03 Not realizing that a lot of people
07:04 don't actually know how to tie a tie.
07:06 That's correct. Yeah.
07:07 So they were so excited just to learn how to tie a tie.
07:10 And it was just to see the joy and the excitement
07:13 in their faces was just extra motivation
07:15 to see that even the little things that we do,
07:18 you know, no matter how big or small,
07:19 you know, has an effect on people
07:21 in ways you couldn't even imagine.
07:22 Definitely, definitely, so being with 14, or 14 people,
07:25 above 14 people in the ministry,
07:28 did everybody have something different to do?
07:30 Or what are some of the responsibilities
07:32 of the various group members in the group?
07:34 Definitely, actually, yes,
07:35 we all have different responsibilities.
07:36 For instance, we have a guy
07:38 who takes care of all the media.
07:41 You know, he's usually, he's there
07:43 but he's not really in the front,
07:44 you know, the forefront a lot of times.
07:46 We have guys who use their skills
07:49 in other areas like PR guys.
07:51 We have guys who have different trades.
07:54 As a matter of fact,
07:55 one of our guys owns his own company.
07:58 He actually was incarcerated for a while and now he got out.
08:01 He started his own business. Okay.
08:02 And one of the great things he does,
08:04 he employs some of the youth that are in our program.
08:06 So, you know, so they have a way to do other things them,
08:10 you know, the stress and sell drugs
08:11 and different things like that.
08:12 Definitely, definitely, amen.
08:14 what impact have you seen
08:15 from working with the young people
08:16 which I think is great, number one,
08:18 how you stated about you have a gentleman
08:20 that's been incarcerated that has his own business now
08:23 and he's able to go out and help others
08:25 because it gives young people
08:26 the opportunity to learn how to do something,
08:29 learn how to work to get those traits within them.
08:32 But what impact have you seen with the various young people
08:35 that y'all have worked with upon the young people?
08:38 Okay, that's a great question.
08:39 Actually, the impact that we see is
08:42 they see that there's a different route.
08:45 A lot of things that happens with these young people
08:47 that grow up in these communities
08:49 is that they don't know anybody personally,
08:52 or they haven't really seen another route,
08:54 then what maybe their brother is doing, or their pops,
08:57 or their role model
08:58 which might be a drug dealer in a neighborhood.
09:01 So they don't know anything outside of their world,
09:03 so they're boxed in really
09:04 until it takes us to really gun down and really talk,
09:09 you know, talk to them.
09:10 And not to talk to them from elevated level
09:12 but to really just get to know them personally
09:15 and from doing that,
09:16 you know, they start to get interested.
09:17 At first you get backlash, you know,
09:19 at first they weren't really welcoming at first, you know,
09:21 we weren't, you know, we're just outsiders,
09:23 another organization coming in trying to get pictures.
09:26 Yeah, yeah.
09:27 You know, that's what they thought of this as.
09:29 But as we actually came
09:30 and we not only came on those days
09:32 but we came to those neighborhoods
09:34 and we actually saw them...
09:37 And we met them on regular days.
09:38 You know And talked to them
09:40 and just seen how life was going.
09:42 They started to open up
09:44 and from that we built that relationship
09:45 and now we're seeing that they even though they're still,
09:47 some of them, you know,
09:49 still mixed in it's the process.
09:50 Yeah, definitely.
09:51 But now you see that they're open,
09:53 their eyes are opening to different things.
09:54 For instance, like we say tying a tie,
09:56 or, you know, business, casual clothes.
09:58 A lot of people condemn the young people
10:00 for not dressing right on interviews.
10:01 Yeah. A lot of them just don't know about it.
10:02 They don't know.
10:04 You know, so they don't know
10:05 how and then for different things like,
10:06 even starting a bank account is a big thing to them.
10:09 So we have to understand these small things.
10:11 It's not that they don't want to do it
10:12 they just don't know how to do it.
10:13 Yeah, definitely, definitely.
10:15 So coming from Maryland and, you know,
10:18 seeing whatever you saw in Maryland,
10:19 how was it for you growing up
10:21 in relation toward number of the young people
10:22 that you deal with?
10:24 Well, for me growing up I was actually raised
10:26 in a nice Christian Adventist background.
10:31 So, I had a good a good home, but the thing about me,
10:33 I was always a sneaky kid.
10:37 So I could, you know, I play...
10:39 I was two-face, I played one role, you know, at home.
10:42 I played another role outside. Okay.
10:45 It came to the point
10:46 where I was actually just doing all sorts of things
10:50 smoking, drinking, partying, you know,
10:52 fornicating, doing all those the things like.
10:55 And I was just, you know,
10:56 hanging around with different guys.
10:58 One of my best friends actually been in my house.
11:00 I know my parents if they see this,
11:02 they won't be surprised,
11:03 I'm not gonna name his name
11:04 but he was actually a big drug deal around our way.
11:08 And so, you know, I hung with him all the time.
11:10 You know, I sold not really for money
11:13 but just to help him out kind of thing.
11:14 And, you know, get free weed, smoke every once in a while.
11:17 So, you know, things like that, you know, so I was really,
11:20 I really wasn't, I was turned off by Adventist.
11:23 Okay, okay.
11:24 I was turned off and I just really thought
11:26 that people in the world were more real.
11:29 Okay. That was the mindset that I was in.
11:31 Okay, now define then what you mean by
11:33 "You thought people in the world
11:34 more real than Adventist".
11:36 I thought my, my faulty thinking logic back man
11:39 was that, you know, there were no Adventists like me.
11:43 You know, the people that I encountered,
11:46 I felt a lot of them.
11:47 And I was, I'm looking at it
11:49 just from I was just making generalization
11:51 of a certain select people.
11:52 I thought, some people thought they were better,
11:54 I went to church, you know,
11:56 sometimes I actually didn't want to go to church
11:57 when I was a teenager.
11:59 Yeah. And I went to church.
12:00 I get dirty looks because of the way I dressed
12:01 and different things like that.
12:03 So I'm like, "Why would I go here
12:04 to a supposed house of God
12:06 when I get love out here in the streets?"
12:08 So because of that I was more drawn in
12:12 and catered toward the street,
12:13 I also actually because of my grades dropping
12:17 and my parents seeing the change in me,
12:18 they sent me to an Adventist school
12:20 halfway through high school.
12:22 And it's there that,
12:24 I actually experienced racism...
12:26 Okay. For the first time ever.
12:27 So the whole time that I'm in public school,
12:30 you know, I have all the support and all the love
12:32 but when soon I go to a Christian academy,
12:35 I get teachers that judge me based on the way that I look.
12:39 So because of that,
12:40 I was really done with Adventism
12:42 when I was in high school.
12:45 Now you mentioned, you got involved
12:46 in using a little bit of drugs, drinking, and alcohol.
12:48 What do you think
12:49 was the underlying cause of that being
12:51 that you came from a pretty good home?
12:52 Because generally we sometimes think, okay,
12:56 they come from a good home, father, mother in the home
12:58 as well as you know good Christian morals
13:01 going to church different things like that.
13:03 But then still the child ends up drinking, smoking,
13:07 and, you know, some people look back and like,
13:09 "I didn't raise this child this way".
13:10 You know, I didn't raise them to be around
13:12 these type of people.
13:13 What do you think was the underlying factor
13:15 that led you to there?
13:16 The underlying factor was definitely anger. Okay.
13:19 See, the thing is I never really had
13:22 a good way of expressing anger.
13:24 I never really had the way that, you know,
13:27 a good way of showing or expressing the way I felt
13:30 so a lot of times they would just come out, you know,
13:32 with backlash and I would just be very angry
13:34 and very adamant,
13:36 so because of that what those things did,
13:38 they not even necessarily the alcohol
13:40 but like I smoked black
13:42 and mild's a lot and I smoke weed.
13:43 But it kind of calmed me down. Okay.
13:45 It kind of made me not as belligerent as I usually was
13:49 'cause I have it in me to really be very reactionary.
13:53 And because of that, you know,
13:55 I just started taking these things
13:56 in order to calm, calm ease those,
13:58 those troubles that I was having.
14:00 Okay, definitely.
14:01 Now, between yourself
14:03 as well as working with the young people
14:06 in Huntsville,
14:07 what have you noticed some of the deficiencies
14:09 that a lot of young people are facing today
14:11 a lot of the problems that they're facing in the home,
14:13 in the streets with friends, things like that?
14:15 That's a great question.
14:16 The deficiencies that a lot of these young guys
14:18 are facing is lack of motivation,
14:21 lack of vision, lack of purpose.
14:25 These things come because a lot of our households don't have,
14:30 you know, especially, in lower income families,
14:33 you know, there's usually just one parent,
14:35 or, you know, if it's just a mom,
14:37 she's working all the time to provide for her kids.
14:40 So there is nobody there in order to, you know,
14:44 as far as a father figure in order to lay structure,
14:46 a lot of these moms, you know,
14:48 sometimes it is hard raising a young man as a woman.
14:51 So, you know, they're kids, you know,
14:53 kind of run around and do what they have to do.
14:56 And the thing about it is,
14:58 even I've talked to a kid the other time in church...
15:02 The other day, and he was just telling me how...
15:04 I was just talking to him 'cause I saw him.
15:05 I was actually sitting downstairs in church.
15:08 And suddenly the Holy Spirit just told me look up.
15:09 So I looked up, I see this kid that I've talked to,
15:11 we've had conversations before. Okay.
15:13 I go all the way up to where he is
15:15 'cause he's in the balcony,
15:16 I just sit down and talk to him.
15:17 And I'm just trying to see how you doing in the school
15:19 and all of the stuff and he just has this, you know,
15:21 really "I don't really care" attitude.
15:23 So, you know, so we started going back and forth
15:25 into questions and he was like...
15:26 I was asking him,
15:28 "Do you even care if you live or die?"
15:29 He's like, "No".
15:32 I was like, "so why, you know, why you just felt,
15:33 why don't you care?"
15:34 He's like because, I mean, it really doesn't matter
15:36 if I'm here today, I'm here.
15:37 If I'm not, I'm not.
15:39 So the fact of the matter is that
15:40 we have to understand it's not even just the kids,
15:43 a lot of times we look outside of the church
15:45 and say, "Oh, we need to help these kids".
15:46 They're kids inside that church
15:48 that right now that are dying inside
15:50 because they lack vision, they lack purpose,
15:52 and it's our job as the church family,
15:54 especially as church men,
15:56 to reach out and to make sure
15:58 that we help guide these young guys.
16:00 'Cause the only other choice,
16:02 if you don't have a reason for live,
16:03 then you're capable of doing anything.
16:04 Yeah, definitely, definitely.
16:06 So Frontline Ministry tends to work with a lot of young men
16:09 to lead them
16:10 in the right direction, correct?
16:12 That is correct.
16:13 So Frontline Ministry it works with a lot of young men
16:15 but not just that,
16:16 we actually also have done work with a sober living community,
16:21 in fact there's a sober livering,
16:23 sober living, excuse me, company called Restoring every,
16:28 sorry, Restoring Every at Risk Clients Hope or Reach.
16:32 It's actually ran by Miss Chilanta Shrodd
16:36 and the great thing about that
16:38 is it's a avenue for after
16:41 someone has gone through incarceration,
16:43 for them to come into a sober living environment
16:46 because a lot of things that that help deter recidivism
16:50 is having a sober environment where they have structure.
16:54 We go in there sometimes we have talks with those guys.
16:57 Okay. We do different things like that.
16:59 So we help out with that
17:01 in order to really try to get these guys
17:04 back up on their feet.
17:05 'Cause I would think about is, you know,
17:07 I call them not just them
17:09 but a lot of people on the margins
17:10 The Invisible
17:12 because we walk by them every day.
17:14 Yeah. We act like they're not there.
17:16 You know, no matter whether it's a homeless person,
17:19 orphanages, foster homes, people incarcerated
17:23 because they're not ready,
17:25 they're out of sight out of mind type of thing.
17:26 Yeah, basically. Yeah! Wow!
17:28 So because of that we have to make sure
17:29 that we are not forgetting them
17:32 because as far as Matthew 25 goes
17:36 where it talks about we are supposed to visit and yield
17:39 the sick in the shutting.
17:41 We're supposed to go,
17:42 and we're supposed to go to the prisons
17:44 and different things like that.
17:45 It's just a passion of mine because, you know,
17:47 we usually go and we focus on one area...
17:50 Okay. As a church I see.
17:51 I mean, there's different ministries
17:53 but a lot of the focus is the same thing.
17:55 We have to start branching out and going out to other places
17:59 in our community where people are being passed over freely.
18:01 Definitely, definitely.
18:03 Now you mentioned something a little bit ago
18:04 about our young men seem to lack motivation.
18:08 How do we, how do we help young people
18:11 to get that motivation?
18:13 What can we do?
18:14 Because there's a lot of mothers and fathers
18:16 that see their children
18:17 and they don't want to do anything
18:19 not interested in working,
18:20 all they're interested in is fast money, drugs,
18:22 different things like that.
18:23 But how do we get them motivated even,
18:26 even when young people go to church?
18:27 It's almost like they don't wanna do anything.
18:30 Like you said, what a young man looked mad,
18:32 he was sitting in church,
18:33 and a lot of times the young people just look mad,
18:36 don't wanna be here,
18:38 and they have like this don't,
18:39 "Don't talk to me" look on their face.
18:41 How do you go about motivating them
18:44 in the right direction?
18:45 That's basically kind of a simple answer,
18:48 but it's more complex.
18:50 You really just have to pouring time into them.
18:53 Yet the pouring time energy a lot of times,
18:55 it's easier to pouring money.
18:57 And money is needed
18:58 but at the same time we have to make sure
19:00 that we are pouring in all of our energy,
19:02 all of our time into these kids.
19:04 The Bible goes, and I always say this, it from,
19:07 Genesis to Revelation,
19:08 one of the repeated things is that we're supposed to,
19:10 as a church, take care of the fatherless
19:12 and the widow.
19:14 So that taking care is not just, you know,
19:16 every once a while stopping and dropping money.
19:17 It's really being actively involved with Jesus,
19:19 did he built relationships with the people,
19:21 he sat down and he talked with them,
19:23 he ate with them.
19:24 So it's gonna take a lot of time for us as adults
19:27 and especially as men.
19:29 One thing that I did do that I remember every time when I,
19:31 when I before I even started Frontline,
19:34 I went around and people were just,
19:36 I volunteered here and there
19:37 when I was looking for my niche.
19:40 And one of the repeated things
19:41 was we need more black men to help out in our communities.
19:45 We need more people like you.
19:46 You know, where are they, you know,
19:48 so it's like we're missing.
19:50 We're missing in our communities
19:52 we're missing in action and were so am I.
19:55 And the thing about is we need to make sure
19:56 that we are spending most of our time
19:59 making sacrifice.
20:00 That's what ministry is.
20:01 If you're only doing ministry, when it's convenient,
20:03 that is not ministry.
20:04 Yeah, definitely.
20:06 Because you definitely have to make sacrifices in order
20:07 for these kids to see that you're serious.
20:09 'Cause too many people come in to their neighborhoods
20:12 and just, like I said, throw an event and leave
20:14 and never see them again...
20:15 Yeah, you know, you said something important
20:17 where you said time.
20:18 Time is very important
20:19 because I know with my own children.
20:21 Yeah, getting money is nice, getting things is nice.
20:24 But nothing is more important than that time.
20:26 The kids seem to always remember this person
20:29 took time out of their day.
20:31 And what I've seen, though, is a lot of older folks,
20:35 it's just, a lot just don't have the time.
20:37 And, you know, you give the money
20:39 and different things like that,
20:40 but that's not what the kids need.
20:41 Because I recognize in respect
20:43 what you said in terms of children needing time.
20:46 And when they see that you're coming here,
20:47 not just for a one time event,
20:49 but you're coming repeatedly
20:50 and you're actually getting to know these people,
20:52 and not just pouring money on them and leaving.
20:54 They respect that.
20:56 And I think that's a good thing,
20:57 so that's an encouragement for people to...
20:59 When you get involved in ministry,
21:00 you have to spend time with folks.
21:02 And that's what Jesus did.
21:03 That's exactly what Jesus did and He want people to them.
21:06 Let me ask you another question in terms of,
21:08 you mentioned Matthew chapter 25.
21:09 How do you think your ministry is working
21:12 to fulfill that of Matthew chapter 25
21:14 where Jesus separates the sheep from the goats
21:17 as well as the Great Commission?
21:18 How do you think your ministry Frontline
21:20 is fulfilling that?
21:21 I think we're fulfilling that by simply just making sure
21:24 that we're seeing in a community of the Mary,
21:27 Mary is why we chose Frontline is because, you know,
21:30 a lot of times there's organizations
21:32 that do thing in the background.
21:34 We want to be out there, we want to be, you know,
21:36 seen talking to the drug dealers,
21:38 seen talking to the molesters, seen talking to the abusers,
21:41 seen talking to these people
21:42 because we have to build these relationships
21:44 with these people.
21:46 And you cannot do that from, you know, from a pew.
21:49 So we, we have to...
21:50 It just came to me and as a matter of fact
21:52 a lot of things.
21:54 God always sends ideas in my mind
21:55 and different things to do.
21:57 And I'm just, I remember for a longest time
21:59 I was thinking, I was like somebody should do that.
22:01 Somebody should do that, somebody should do that.
22:04 And then one day I was saying that and God was like,
22:07 "You're old to know, why don't you do it?"
22:10 And I was like, "I am old enough now.
22:12 You know, I could do something".
22:14 So, you know, it's something that is not hard
22:16 to start you just, I mean, you just have to start.
22:18 And the thing about it is once you start,
22:20 once you get up out of that pew,
22:21 once you go and talk to people, one thing that you understand
22:24 is that these people are real people
22:26 and they each have their own story.
22:28 And once you start to learn their story,
22:30 you start to see their struggle,
22:31 you start to see their pain,
22:33 you start to see these different things their lives
22:35 from talking to them.
22:37 You have much more of a greater passion
22:39 to being of assistance.
22:41 And that's why, you know, we're so passionate now
22:43 is because, you know, there's nothing like serving
22:45 and that's why I know Jesus took
22:47 all his disciples out to serve
22:49 because that's how faith grows by actually serving
22:51 and being a part of the community
22:53 in order to assist,
22:55 hence the Great Commission.
22:56 Definitely, definitely.
22:57 What are some of the future plans
22:59 and future goals for Frontline Ministry?
23:01 Well, one of the future goals for Frontline Ministry is that
23:04 we are trying to vamp up our after incarceration
23:10 so when they get out, we want to make sure
23:12 that we have not only ways to get them out
23:16 and get them a stable place to stay.
23:18 But we want them to get reacclimatize into society.
23:20 We want to start having especially,
23:23 especially the older guys at church
23:24 and different people from around the community
23:27 who have trades, who have skills,
23:30 we want to make sure that we start these programs
23:32 in order for these guys 'cause, you know,
23:34 especially a lot of people have a hard time finding a job.
23:36 Yeah, definitely.
23:37 So we want them to become their own job makers.
23:39 We want them not so necessarily,
23:41 well, if possible to get a job,
23:43 we want them to get in the mindset
23:44 of let me create my own income.
23:46 You can have your own trade, you can have your own business,
23:47 different things.
23:49 That is correct.
23:50 So let me create my own trade, my own income
23:51 so that I can support myself and my family.
23:53 And then also I we wanted to be discipleship
23:56 so we want to make sure
23:57 that they are able to help other people as well.
24:01 So it's not just we help you, and then you know that's it.
24:04 No, no, we want to make sure that they are able to go ahead
24:08 and return the favor to the next person
24:10 that's coming after them.
24:12 Now, how do you, how do you go about
24:15 or how can the laity go about the church laity
24:18 to go about getting involved in something.
24:20 Because you've mentioned several times
24:21 about people sitting on the church pew
24:23 and, you know, looking around different things like that.
24:26 But how do you get the church,
24:27 the church at large to get motivated
24:29 to do some work with the Lord?
24:32 That's a great question.
24:33 Actually we're still figuring that out now.
24:36 But, you know, some things that do work is
24:39 what I realized is really showing them
24:43 that it's not anything can be in ministry,
24:45 for instance, I go to a great church,
24:48 you know, a brief shout out to first church in Huntsville.
24:53 But one of the pastors there is Pastor Hill,
24:57 Pastor Alfred Hill and one of the things
24:58 he does is so simple he makes homemade popcorn.
25:03 And he just pops homemade popcorn
25:04 and he passes out to people as they go.
25:07 And through that popcorn, you don't even though
25:09 how many relationships he builds.
25:11 It's because every time he use the same trick...
25:12 Sounds that simple.
25:14 ..he puts a bag of popcorn in your hand.
25:16 And it's really about the whole point of Ministry
25:18 is to, to really not just first spread the gospel
25:21 is to build that relationship 'cause people have to trust you
25:23 before they can trust Jesus.
25:26 So if they don't trust you,
25:28 then all the Jesus you bring to them means nothing.
25:30 So we have to make sure that
25:32 we just really do get our feet wet.
25:33 So whatever it is skill that you have,
25:34 one first and foremost let me say this, pray about it.
25:38 What we don't do, we don't pray about how we can, you know,
25:41 start ministries, or how what ministry we should get it.
25:43 We just kind of jump in and jump around.
25:45 And when we pray for an opportunity to minister,
25:48 God will open the door and you'll start seeing ways
25:51 that you never saw before.
25:52 You start seeing needs that you never saw before
25:54 that you never realized and the invisible starts
25:56 to become the visible to you.
25:58 So it's as simple as just really going in there,
26:01 maybe even going to your church,
26:02 or going to looking around the organization's
26:04 different places,
26:05 see how you can help out and just starting there
26:07 and seeing what the need is in your community
26:09 and how you can help to assist with that need.
26:11 Wow, well.
26:12 Real brief, I want you to talk about
26:14 how you getting involved in ministry
26:17 has helped your spirituality for yourself.
26:19 Oh, that's wonderful!
26:20 Oh, me getting involved in ministry
26:23 actually just elevated my spirituality
26:25 to another level.
26:28 The thing about it is, you know,
26:29 even reading the Bible is nice.
26:31 Yeah. It's good. And it's words.
26:33 But then when you actually go out there
26:34 and you see the things in the Bible in real life,
26:37 it just builds that much more meat to it.
26:40 So when I'm going out and I see and I read the Bible,
26:42 I see how Jesus looked upon the multitude
26:44 he was moved with compassion.
26:47 I didn't know what compassion was
26:48 until I was out in the community serving.
26:50 When I see the suffering, the tears, the cry,
26:53 I mean, I got kids now calling me dad.
26:55 Why? You know, like, I wish you were my dad.
26:56 you want to be my dad.
26:58 You know, and to hear little kids say things like that,
27:01 it's really heartbreaking
27:02 because it just shows that this is something
27:04 that they have been searching for,
27:05 this is something they have been longing for
27:06 and this is what we're supposed to be doing.
27:08 So we must be taking care of the fatherless
27:09 and the widow once again.
27:10 So it really just makes me even that much more motivated
27:13 to do God's work.
27:15 And it's really dig deep into his word
27:16 because I don't wanna mislead anybody using my own personal,
27:20 my own personal self.
27:22 I wanna make sure that I keep everything, you know,
27:23 in Christ.
27:25 So because of that that makes me
27:26 even want to study more,
27:27 make sure that I'm giving all the correct information.
27:30 You know, I make sure that I'm giving the love
27:32 that Christ is giving nothing love
27:33 that Wale wants to give.
27:34 Wow, I want you to take a couple of seconds, Wale,
27:37 and speak into the camera and talk to that young man
27:39 that's struggling with things.
27:41 I just wanted to tell
27:42 whatever young man is out there struggling with things,
27:44 just hold on, hold on the Christ,
27:46 stick in it, and just remember
27:48 that somebody cares about you and they're on their way.
27:50 Amen, amen.
27:52 Wale, I wanna thank you for being on the program
27:55 and Frontline Ministry.
27:56 We like to thank you for tuning in.
27:57 Join us next time on the New Journey.