Participants: Yvonne Lewis (Host), Lisa Santos, Michael Carducci, Ron Woolsey, Virna Santos, Wayne Blakely
Series Code: UBR
Program Code: UBR000039
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00:01 So just what do you think about homosexuality...
00:03 Should we as Christians endorse it? 00:05 Is it a sin? 00:06 Stay tuned to hear what five people 00:09 that were living the gay lifestyle have to say... 00:12 My name is Yvonne Lewis and you're watching 00:14 Urban Report... 00:39 Hello and welcome to Urban Report... 00:41 Today's Program is an interview with five people 00:44 that were delivered from the gay lifestyle... 00:46 Now I know that in today's culture... 00:49 that's not a politically correct thing to say... 00:51 However, sexual sin... whether fornication, adultery... 00:55 homosexuality or promiscuity requires a Savior... 00:59 My guest from 'Coming Out' Ministries 01:02 have been redeemed... I interviewed them 01:05 on the new Set of "Pure Choices" we did a mini-series 01:08 on homosexuality that is compelling... 01:11 I hope you'll tune in to it... 01:12 Check the Dare to Dream website's schedule for the time 01:15 of the Pure Choices Program, take a look at this... 01:20 So, I'm sitting here on the Set of Pure Choices... 01:24 doing an Urban Report Program, go figure... 01:27 I am so thankful to have the 'Coming Out' Ministries Team 01:32 here... let me kind of go around the room 01:36 and you guys introduce yourself... 01:37 Mike... I'm Mike Carducci... 01:39 From? from Greeneville, Tennessee... 01:41 Yeah... I'm Lisa Santos 01:44 and I'm from Roseville, California... 01:45 I'm Virna Santos and I'm from Roseville, California... 01:49 I'm Wayne Blakely from Vancouver, Washington... 01:52 I'm Ron Woolsey and I pastor a Church 01:55 in Marshall, Arkansas... Amen... amen... 01:58 'Coming Out' Ministries is such a unique ministry... 02:03 tell us... first of all... what it is... 02:06 kind of go around and tell me what it is... 02:09 What's 'Coming Out' Ministries for you? 02:12 Well, the name came about because we wanted to give 02:20 the real... truth... to "coming out"... 02:23 Today, you hear people say, "I'm Gay... " 02:27 "I'm coming out... " and so they say that 02:30 you've come out and there's nothing 02:32 that you can do about it... but in 1 Peter 2:9 02:37 the verse says that... 02:38 "He brought us out of darkness into His marvelous light... " 02:41 and so, today, we want people to know... 02:44 what the real 'Coming Out' is... Amen... 02:47 You know, for me, I remember when... 02:50 all of a sudden I got this startling reality 02:52 from God that He was telling me that 02:54 that... I could come out of that 02:55 understanding... and I thought I already came out 02:57 once... and 02:59 when the reality hit me 03:01 that I couldn't keep my boyfriend 03:03 and that even my understanding 03:04 of what I thought I was born with 03:06 and had a "right" to... that... for me was 03:10 another 'coming out' of even my own understanding... 03:14 Yeah... to me... this whole thing of the gay lifestyle... 03:21 has really evolved now into a political agenda... 03:28 and so, 03:30 I really want to look at 03:32 after we find out more about you... 03:34 I really want to look at that... 03:35 and what's going on in the Country right now... 03:37 one of the great things, I need to tell our viewers, 03:40 is that... we are doing a "Special" 03:42 on Pure Choices... of a short series... 03:44 with each of you individually... 03:46 so our viewers will have a chance to hear your stories... 03:50 because each of you... has... 03:53 such a tremendous testimony... so we're going to share that 03:56 and talk about that in more depth... 03:58 today, we're going to really just talk about your ministry 04:01 as a whole... and look at that... 04:03 So, to you Lisa, what is 'Coming Out' Ministries 04:07 to you? I think, it's five people, 04:11 with different stories that God has led us out 04:14 from the darkness to His marvelous light... 04:17 and it's so neat... how... we all have a different angle, 04:22 a different story... that we can reach people 04:24 at different levels... of their struggle... 04:27 and so, that, to me... is unique... 04:30 and I know that this is God-ordained... God-led... so... 04:34 I feel so too... what about you Virna? 04:37 I'm immensely blessed... by our coming together... 04:41 and like... just my sister said, 04:44 it's pretty evident that it was God leading... 04:47 when the Lord called me out of that particular darkness... 04:53 I had a burden on my heart to find other "Like-Souls" 04:59 because for some reason, God told me, 05:01 "There are others... " Wow... 05:03 and when he whispered that to my heart... 05:05 I came across... I believe... it was Mike's testimony 05:10 his testimony was being shared at Southern University 05:15 and I heard it on Audioverse, and then I came across 05:19 Wayne's article in the Adventist Review... 05:23 and then I saw his interview Live Stream 05:27 with Pastor... what was his name again? 05:31 with Pr. Randy Maxwell... and I've always known 05:35 of Ron Woolsey... because when the Lord was 05:38 walking me through this process of discovery in Jesus, 05:42 Hmmm... hmmm... I was looking online 05:44 and looking for sources that would support 05:48 my "Gay Identity" and still be a Christian... 05:51 Hmmm... hmmm... and I came across 05:52 so many websites... and Ron Woolsey's website 05:56 "The Narrow Way" was one of those... 05:58 so I had known of his ministry from the very beginning 06:02 of my process of looking and searching for Jesus, 06:05 and so, I'd be like, 06:07 "Lord is there any way 06:10 that I could get a hold of these people... " 06:11 and so I used Facebook, I used all means of reaching out 06:16 Wow, so you kind of spearheaded the whole team... 06:19 Well, the Lord did... Yes... of course... 06:21 He laid it on your heart to do that... 06:24 so, okay... so, how did you connect... 06:27 how did everybody connect? 06:29 It was... well through Facebook, I called Wayne, 06:32 I think he was the first person I called... 06:34 then I was able to talk to Ron, 06:36 and then I was able to talk to Mike... 06:38 and then there were some crisscross communication 06:41 I believe, we were talking to "like people" 06:43 that I knew... the people they knew... 06:47 and people I was coming across to knowing... 06:49 we were all having these conversations 06:51 so, it just happened... and God brought us together 06:55 of 2011... at Soquel Central California Conferences 06:59 Camp Meeting... Wow... so, okay, so, let's say 07:05 I have a gay child... a child that say... is 15 now... 07:12 that says to me... "I don't know what to do... " 07:17 what would each of you... how would you counsel 07:21 both the child and the parent... what do you say, 07:25 because now-a-days... I need to preface this part, 07:29 one of the things that I'm noticing... 07:31 is this heavy thrust... it's almost as though 07:35 it's being thrust upon us, and if you disagree with it 07:39 or if you call it sin... just like you call 07:42 fornication... sin or adultery... sin, 07:44 if you call it sin... you're homophobic... 07:47 Hmmm... so they paint you in this 07:49 bigot box... if you disagree with it... 07:53 so, what do you say... to both that child 07:57 and that parent... who... the child is struggling 08:02 with the identity issue... and the parent 08:04 is trying to figure out what to do... 08:06 Well, the parent, first of all, needs to love that child 08:11 unconditionally and be very understanding, 08:13 and very compassionate, I grew up, without that, 08:16 because my father didn't understand 08:20 what was going on with me 08:21 and that drove a wedge between us 08:23 and so I counsel fathers, "Please love your children, 08:27 no matter how peculiar, no matter how bizarre 08:31 their behavior... love them physically 08:34 they need physical affection from their fathers... 08:37 the boys do... " Hmmm... 08:38 "if they don't have that love cup filled... 08:41 someone will come and offer to fill it... 08:43 and it will be a perversion... " Hmmm... 08:46 so from the parent's perspective they need to be 08:48 very compassionate and understanding... 08:50 in dealing with the child... 08:53 the Bible says that there's no other name 08:56 under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved... 08:58 Hmmm... hmmm... in recognizing that this is 09:00 a "sin" issue... according to the Bible, 09:03 and I know that's not politically correct, 09:06 it's not conventional thinking, but as long as 09:08 I was justifying my behavior, as being born this way... 09:12 it's an acceptable alternative lifestyle... 09:14 the Lord had to stand by and wait for me 09:17 to acknowledge mine iniquity... Jeremiah 3... 09:20 then He says, "I can heal your backsliding" 09:23 so with a child... when you're dealing with young teenagers... 09:29 or what have you... to me it seems 09:33 the appropriate thing is to lead the child to Jesus first... 09:37 don't come down on all of the behavior and the confusion 09:42 because... the Bible also says, Jesus says, 09:45 "Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness; 09:49 and all these things shall be added unto you. " 09:52 So if there's not a relationship with Jesus, 09:54 and it's only through Him that we can be saved 09:57 from sin... then, we're beating the air 10:02 with these children... they need to be led to Christ 10:05 and miraculous things happen, when they love Jesus first... 10:09 to put things in proper order... Yes... isn't that really 10:13 what we should be doing anyway 10:16 with anybody... with everybody... 10:18 we need to lead them to Jesus first... 10:21 Yes... and then, the Holy Spirit 10:24 begins to work from the inside out... 10:26 By beholding Him, we become changed... 10:29 they become changed... that's the first thing 10:31 that we try to help people see... 10:34 Yes... that's great... what do you think Mike? 10:37 Oh, I was a hairdresser working side-by-side 10:40 with my sister... she was my assistant 10:42 and through all of my relationships 10:45 I never got the impression from her that 10:47 she judged me... and I felt that she accepted me 10:50 she was great with my boyfriends 10:53 and relationships... and working beside me 10:56 she was a clear example of a Christian 10:59 just because of the fact that she accepted me 11:01 and we worked in a salon with openly-gay hairdressers 11:05 as well, but what I wasn't aware of 11:08 is... she and one of my other sisters 11:10 had been praying for me... for years... 11:12 I wasn't even aware of what was going on... 11:14 and it wasn't like I had the rug pulled out from under me 11:18 in my experience... but what happened is 11:20 the Lord was lining up opportunities 11:22 and when I felt like I was at the top of my game 11:25 professionally, relationally, I had a millionaire boyfriend 11:30 and was doing really well professionally 11:33 and everyone accepted my homosexuality 11:35 and I was surrounded by my friends that way 11:38 but God was able to reach me at a time 11:42 when I had no idea through their faithful prayers 11:45 so, when a mother comes to me or a parent, 11:47 and they have a child that's gay... 11:49 that is the most immediate thing that I can say, 11:51 "Start praying... and be deliberate about your prayer 11:54 and focus on what your goal is... " 11:56 Ah, this is so good because I know 11:58 that there are parents out there 12:01 that are struggling with this, that want to know 12:03 what do I do... where do I go... where do I start? 12:06 and you guys are giving this great, great info. 12:09 What do you think? 12:10 May I say one thing about this matter... 12:11 Yeah, please... 12:12 if this child feels that the parents are embarrassed... 12:15 that they're ashamed of the child 12:18 it would drive him or her farther away 12:21 in his life... and I know this about my parents 12:25 as they were desperately praying for me 12:28 in their intercession, they loved me unconditionally 12:30 they made major attempts to be with me... 12:33 they loved me... they loved my friends... 12:36 but just like Jesus... while they did not condemn me, 12:40 they did not condone the behavior, 12:43 Hmmm... hmmm... it's kind of a tightrope 12:45 that you walk... Hmmm... hmmm... 12:47 but if the parents are following Jesus... 12:49 they can be successful with this... 12:51 and it drew me to my parents, and through that... 12:56 Jesus drew me to him... 12:58 Hmmm... so the parents' walk has to be... 13:02 the parents have to make their walk right... 13:05 Yes... yeah... so that their prayers are not 13:08 hindered... and then... they pray of course for... 13:11 for that child... yeah Wayne... 13:14 There's a disillusionment that feelings equal truth... 13:19 Hmmm... let's talk about that... 13:22 and so... the idea... is that when you're young 13:24 like I was very young... my feelings were 13:26 screaming out to me saying, that I was same-sex attracted... 13:30 my parents didn't know what to do with that... 13:32 they never stopped loving me and like Mike's sisters, 13:36 my parents prayed for me for 40 years... 13:39 which shows that God hears and answers prayers... 13:43 no matter how long it takes... 13:44 Hmmm... hmmm... but, when I share with people 13:46 in churches and schools today, 13:49 the most important thing for a child 13:51 is to plug that child... 13:53 into a relationship 13:54 with Jesus Christ very, very early... 13:56 when they are 2- and 3-years-old 13:58 Hmmm... hmmm... and hopefully... 13:59 the parents are also plugged in 14:01 because we can't share what we don't have... 14:03 That's right... 14:04 So, if you plug a person into God's Word... 14:08 in a personal individual intimate relationship with Him 14:13 then... when you're experiencing feelings that aren't 14:16 going in accordance with God's Word... 14:19 you know to turn them over to Him... 14:21 and live in spite of those feelings 14:23 according to His Word instead of according to your feelings... 14:26 So, you can, then, kind of override those feelings 14:30 because... exactly... because you're being delivered 14:34 because the Lord is working on your heart... 14:37 your allegiance is to Him... Yeah... 14:40 that's really the bottom line... Surrender... 14:43 Yes... yes... We worked a lot with parents 14:45 and young adults and youth... it's a very intricate work... 14:52 it's a very holy, divine work... Hmmm... 14:55 and it's a gentle process... we have to remember 14:59 2 Corinthians 3:18... it's an unveiling... 15:02 Hmmm... and it's layer by layer... 15:06 glory to glory... step by step 15:09 Like an onion... layer by layer 15:11 Yes... and Jesus knows the hurts and the mistakes 15:16 that have happened... and with parents, 15:19 in our experience with... mine and my sister's 15:24 my mom had a very difficult time 15:26 processing it... 15:29 and I was very blatant about my lifestyle... 15:32 Hmmm... and I didn't care about 15:35 what people felt... and it was hard for my mother 15:39 Were you in a single-parent household? 15:43 No, we grew up with both our mom and dad... 15:47 but we had found that there is a level 15:51 that the Lord brings the family together 15:55 Hmmm... and it's interesting... 15:58 it's amazing to see God's hand work with these families 16:02 because then... He opens up certain things 16:05 that the family can only handle for that time... 16:09 Yes... and it's fills my heart 16:13 with so much joy when Jesus does this work 16:17 and you see it happen, 16:18 and everyone is willing 16:19 to take accountability for some dynamic that has caused 16:25 or has contributed to this child's struggle... 16:30 and suffering and their identity because there is that... 16:34 and that's what, I believe, Jesus is calling everyone 16:38 to some level of accountability. 16:40 How interesting is that... so you're basically saying, 16:43 "This is not something you're born with... 16:47 this has to do with interpersonal dynamics 16:50 more than anything... " 16:52 Yes... it can be... I don't think we can ever argue 16:57 we hear that a lot today... and we hear people say, 16:59 "I was born this way" and initially, we can't argue 17:03 that experience... however, when we've sat down 17:06 with these very people, and myself... I was one who said 17:10 "I was born this way... " we all did... 17:13 right? and we all say that, everyone here said that, 17:17 but I think when we started our walk with Jesus 17:20 in a very gentle way... I started to go to Church with 17:22 an intention of, "I'm not going to change 17:25 my identity... this is who I am... " 17:27 I even told God, "this is who I am... 17:29 you made me this way... " 17:30 We should use the "Power of Choice... " 17:32 right... and so, it's coming to know 17:34 Jesus... and who He is... that revealed... 17:39 my need of him... and that He did not intend 17:43 for me... to be born... "this way" 17:46 See... what the world is doing today... is saying, 17:51 "Just be yourself, be who you are... " 17:53 which is really pretty much based on "feeling" again... 17:56 Hmmm... hmmm... but as God called us to Him, 17:59 regardless of whether it's homosexuality, 18:01 whether it's adultery issues, whether it's eating issues, 18:05 or regardless of what it is... God sets His plan 18:09 forward for us to clearly see in His Word... 18:12 and we're drawn to Him if we allow ourselves... 18:15 if we've surrendered to Him, to be brought to Him... 18:17 May I comment on that, "Born this Way... " 18:20 that concept... because we all were there right? 18:23 we have all felt, "We were born this way" 18:26 we hear this argument from everyone 18:28 and I used to use that argument 18:31 in order to just shut down the conversation... 18:33 I didn't want to be challenged or confronted... 18:36 I was born this way... 18:38 and I used to try to explain 18:41 to people why I didn't believed that, 18:43 but then I became aware that 18:45 a person's perception is his reality... 18:47 and you can argue this point and never get anywhere, 18:52 and then I realized, the Bible doesn't argue 18:55 that point, because we are all born "fallen" 18:59 and prone to following Satan's plan for our life 19:02 in one way or another, so, everywhere I go, 19:05 and probably you too... you get this question, 19:08 what do you do for people that say 19:10 they were born this way? and I just say, 19:13 "It doesn't matter... if someone is drowning 19:16 in the sea, does it matter why... " 19:18 Hmmm... "God sent His Son... 19:20 as the Savior... the lifeguard... 19:22 He doesn't interrogate you, 'How you got into this mess?'" 19:25 Hmmm... hmmm... "He offers a helping hand... " 19:28 and then... the words he said to Nicodemus, 19:31 I just think this is so neat... 19:33 if someone says, "Well, I was born this way," 19:35 I've had people say, "I was born Italian... 19:38 I was supposed to be angry... " 19:39 and you can go down the different cultures 19:43 and... you know... "I was born German 19:46 and I'm supposed to be... whatever... you know... " 19:49 Hmmm... hmmm... but Jesus says, 19:51 "Well, why don't you just be born again?" 19:53 Hmmm... yes... and then... He has an answer 19:56 for every gay excuse and objection... 20:00 but it only resonates with someone who loves truth... 20:03 Okay... if they do not love truth, 20:06 God Himself could not change Lucifer... 20:08 Hmmm... God cannot help people 20:11 that refuse to acknowledge their need... 20:14 and so it all goes back to the point of saying, 20:17 "Lord, this is a sin issue" 20:20 and Jesus says, "I have the remedy for sin... " 20:22 Hmmm... hmmm... "My Son... you know... 20:25 He has taken the wages of sin upon himself," 20:28 and the Bible gives us the remedy for sin... 20:31 and so I just go around that whole point 20:34 because even psychiatrists and psychologists 20:36 and all kinds of professional people, 20:38 can spend years 20:39 debating this issue... 20:41 and Jesus says, "That's a non-issue... 20:43 let's go to the solution... " Yes... 20:46 and He has it... Yes... yes... 20:47 and we all can testify to that. Yes... 20:50 We all run around people these days 20:52 and you say... in a political world too 20:54 it's people saying, "This is who I am... " 20:56 Yes... "This is who I am" 20:59 we forget who the I am of I am is... 21:03 Hmmm... hmmm... and so, even it was said in 21:07 Exodus and Jesus Himself says, "I am the I am... " 21:11 Hmmm... How dare we go around saying, 21:15 "This is who I am... " Hmmm... 21:18 when we don't any concept 21:21 of the "I am" Hmmm... hmmm... 21:23 so there is that counterfeit again 21:26 Yes... of identity and how we are 21:29 to identify in Christ... 21:30 Yes... and I think that's the critical piece too... 21:33 the counterfeit... there's God's 21:36 plan for us... and then there's the enemy's counterfeit... 21:40 Amen... amen... The counterfeit itself... 21:42 Yeah... that's right... The bottom line of sin... 21:46 is "self" it's self-serving... 21:48 self justifying... self elevating... 21:50 Yes... self-explanation... 21:53 it's all about self... so, regardless what sin it is... 21:57 and that is... homosexuality is not 22:01 any greater sin than any other sin... 22:04 And we need to make that clear because this is not about 22:08 singling out homosexuality and saying... 22:11 there is a hierarchy of sins... Right... 22:14 homosexuality is at the top... no... we have sexual sin period 22:19 It's usually the thing that we are most unfamiliar with 22:24 is the thing that we want to crown, 22:26 "it's somebody... oh look... " you know... 22:28 and then these other sins that are so common among us 22:31 become whitewashed... Yes... very true... 22:33 Human nature once it exalts itself 22:36 when we find someone else who we can look down upon... 22:40 Very true... So, self-exalts... 22:42 Yes, yes... Lisa... I just wanted to add 22:45 once we come to an understanding of that... 22:48 "Homosexuality it's just another sin... " 22:52 I think for parents or whoever is struggling 22:55 with a someone who is gay, 22:56 that can break the barrier in putting... I think... 23:01 because I think God has revealed things in the family... 23:05 to break the prejudices in our own hearts... 23:09 Hmmm... because you know that it's not 23:11 God's will for anyone to fall into sin or to be gay 23:13 but if God can use that for His glory... 23:16 to bring healing to the family as a whole... 23:19 Hmmm... hmmm... I think, 23:20 "Wow! God can turn anything around for His glory 23:24 and his purposes... " Yes... yes... yes... 23:25 And most of the time homosexuality 23:27 is looked as a leprosy 23:28 it's modern day's leprosy... Hmmm... hmmm... 23:30 but as we learn of Jesus and the healing of the leper, 23:33 Hmmm... hmmm... Jesus was willing to touch 23:36 the contagious sores... God never meant 23:39 for someone to be ostracized or separated... 23:43 Right... the whole purpose of 23:45 Jesus healing in that was far reaching... 23:49 Sister White tells us... was to reach the heart 23:53 of the Pharisee... Hmmm... 23:55 and so Jesus was uplifting and upholding Levitical Law 23:58 sending the leper to the High Priest... 24:01 to show yourself... so, it's also the healing of the 24:05 homosexual... is to reach also 24:08 is God's far purposes of healing 24:11 is to heal that person's heart... 24:14 And doesn't He do that? Our God is so great, 24:17 He can make one move and it just kind of 24:20 accomplishes several different things... 24:23 you know... it's not just a unilateral thing 24:26 He just does something and it has like a ripple affect. 24:30 God is just... such a great God... 24:32 Where do you see your ministry going... 24:35 we only have three minutes left, 24:37 I can't believe our time has gone 24:40 I know... I know... so, what's your vision 24:43 for the ministry because what I see going on 24:47 in Society now... I'm just so concerned about 24:50 the way everything is okay... everything is okay... 24:54 and so... where do you see... 'Coming Out' 24:57 There's a loud voice on campuses 25:03 and universities and even in grade schools now 25:06 again about being just who you are... 25:08 Hmmm... hmmm... and so... it's a lot of prayer 25:13 at this point that God will open doors on campuses 25:17 and universities and grade schools 25:20 that we can go in and show by the grace of God 25:23 that there are redeemed lives and what God can do for us 25:27 and in the process of that... we've had... 25:31 mainly the older people... 25:35 people that have gone before us who have been 25:37 so silent for so long... that unless they have a grasp 25:40 on what the message is... they're a little hesitant 25:43 about letting someone come in and speak... 25:46 because it's also a new message to them... 25:48 Right... but as I see people grasping 25:52 our message because everywhere we go to speak 25:54 people come... pastors and the congregations 25:57 all come later and say, 25:58 "This is totally different than what I expected 26:01 and I like it... " Yes... 26:03 and so, a little by little, God is opening doors 26:06 and showing us where we are... 26:07 where He wants us to be... 26:09 The schools are so important... because Satan is starting 26:15 so young... to get to the children 26:18 and we have to get to them... with God's message. 26:21 Each of us has been working in our own spheres of influence 26:27 individually... it's really, to me, fascinating 26:31 Mike is from East Tennessee, 26:32 and Virna and Lisa are from California... 26:35 Wayne is from Washington... I'm in the center of the Country 26:39 Hmmm... hmmm... Arkansas... 26:41 and we've each been doing what we could 26:45 with the Lord's blessing but as we have come 26:48 together... what I have witnessed 26:49 as we have come together, we have such a greater impact 26:53 when we appear at conventions, General Conference, ASI, 26:57 and GYC... people come by... 27:00 and I've had a booth at these 27:02 places for years... 27:03 and there is some interest, but there's been a lot of 27:06 timidity because I would see people walk by my booth 27:09 and they look... and they look very, very quickly 27:11 because, like, "Oh if I look interested 27:13 then people might think that this is my issue... " 27:15 Yes, yes, yes... 27:16 but when we were all there together remember 27:17 we were mobbed... 27:19 and people would come up and they'd say... 27:21 "Praise the Lord this is finally being addressed in our Church" 27:24 collectively, we are able 27:27 to make much more of an impact and then we go 27:30 our separate ways with our individual ministries 27:33 because of the networking 27:34 that has come out of the group and so... 27:37 I see 'Coming Out' Ministries as a real catalyst 27:40 to really promote this message of overcoming anything... 27:44 Yes... I know I'm talking... 27:47 well, I know our time is about up so... 27:49 Oh, I can't even thank you enough... 27:51 and Mike I wanted you to be able to say something 27:53 but you know what... we're going to carry this over 27:55 into your interview... 27:57 Thank you so much and may God bless you... 27:59 in your ministry... 28:00 Thank you... and may God bless you too... 28:02 And thank you so much for joining us... 28:04 Tune in next time... it just wouldn't be the same 28:06 without you... |
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