Participants: Yvonne Lewis (Host), Cliff & Freddie Harris
Series Code: UBR
Program Code: UBR000047S
|
00:00 Can God repair a super-broken life and restore it
00:03 to a place of purpose? Stay tuned... to meet a man 00:06 whose life was broken and the dedicated woman 00:09 that God placed in his life. My name is Yvonne Lewis 00:12 and you're watching Urban Report... 00:36 Hello and welcome to Urban Report... 00:38 Today our guests are Cliff and Freddie Harris 00:41 Co-Directors of the Drug Alternative Program 00:43 and hosts of Dare to Dream's program 00:46 "Drugs Close to Home" welcome to Urban Report 00:49 Cliff and Freddie... Yeah... Thank you... thank you... 00:51 I am so glad you guys are here. Yes, it's been quite a few years 00:55 since we've been here... Now when did you come to 3abn 00:58 first?... We first came to 3abn in the 01:00 early 90s... Wow!... 01:02 Yes, we came and Danny put us right on the program saying... 01:05 "We want you to do a TV program and we were on TV for about 01:09 eight years... That's tremendous... 01:11 That's tremendous... and now... you're doing 01:13 Drugs Close to Home... tell us a little bit 01:15 about that program. You know, Drugs Close to Home is 01:19 right in our backyard... Literally... 01:22 Literally in our backyard, right honey? 01:24 Yes... we do the programs right in our backyard... 01:28 Right... we just wanted to start this program again 01:32 because we had so many guys in our program with such great 01:35 testimonies... you know, and people crossing our paths... 01:38 and we just decided... Hey we're going to start a 01:40 Drugs Close to Home again... so this is our... what? 01:42 third year? Yeah.. third year... Third year... 01:44 That's tremendous and I know our viewers are blessed by 01:47 watching it... for those who don't know about 01:50 the program that you co-direct, tell us a little bit about that, 01:54 what is it? Well, it's an in-patient drug 01:57 program for men who have drug problems... because... 02:01 see... I'm an ex-drug addict... and I always wanted to help 02:05 somebody not go through what I went through in life, 02:08 you know, on drugs and in penitentiary... and 02:12 in and out of jails all my life lost the family home... 02:15 all those things behind drugs, so... my thing was... 02:20 I told Freddie... after we were married... 02:23 that I wanted to help 02:25 somebody not go through what I went through... 02:27 and so... then we moved from Denver to California... 02:32 and started the program and that was it... 02:36 And speaking of marriage... We have a love story.. you know, 02:39 I met Cliff on Sabbath at Church... 02:42 he proposed to me... Sunday... and 3 months later... 02:45 we were married... Wait a minute... wait a minute 02:47 wait... wait... wait... wait... 02:48 So you guys met on a Sabbath, he proposed on Sunday, 02:56 and three months later we were married... 02:59 my son introduced us in the lobby of the 03:02 Denver Park Hill Church... Right... 03:03 OK... let's go through this story... because this is 03:06 too good... this is too juicy... 03:07 I had been friends with his son for like two years... 03:10 I was like his second mother Okay... 03:12 and I had also spent a year with the Lord... 03:15 I decided that I wasn't going to date or do anything... 03:17 I wanted to spend a year with the Lord and really get to 03:20 know Him... I wasn't thinking about 03:21 a husband, I just wanted to get to know 03:23 Jesus and at the same time, Cliff was in prison... 03:26 and he was getting to know the Lord through the 03:30 book... "Desire of Ages" and reading... 03:32 and so when he got out of prison and came to Church... 03:35 I walked in the Church and there stood Cliff and Jeffrey 03:39 and I just normally hug Jeffrey and kiss him... 03:41 "Hi Son, how're you doing?" and I looked and I saw Cliff... 03:44 and you tell the rest of the story... 03:46 Well, I was like... you know... when I got out of 03:48 penitentiary... my whole thing was... 03:51 you know... because... previously in my life... 03:55 you know... I was a pimp, I had a woman on the streets, 03:58 I did all that... you know... dealt drugs and 04:01 was in and out of jail... So my thing was... 04:04 when I was in prison... I was like.. I've got to go back 04:09 to Church... You had spiritual roots? 04:13 Oh yeah... Because I want you to talk about 04:14 the whole experience, but you had spiritual roots? 04:17 Yes, yes... So you decided... while there 04:19 you were going to go back to Church... 04:21 Yeah... let me go back to Church let me go to Church... 04:24 And to make a long story short, when he saw me... 04:27 the Holy Spirit impressed him "She's the one... " 04:30 and we met and had a date that Saturday night... 04:33 and he brought me one red rose, and the Holy Spirit impressed 04:37 me... not knowing that it impressed him... 04:40 that he is the one... So we both knew... 04:42 we were for each other... My!... 04:44 And you know... the Church went wild... 04:46 Oh Freddie... this was my feeling 04:50 of when I saw her... you know... I looked in her face... 04:55 and all I saw was her face... 04:57 because, I was the kind of man.. you know... if I see a woman... 05:01 it's like "Hi... how are you?" you know, 05:03 and I am looking you up and down and all of that, 05:05 and my whole thing was... I didn't look at her in a 05:09 sexual manner... I just saw the face... 05:12 and in that face... I saw all this peace and joy 05:16 and happiness... and I said... something within me... 05:20 because when I got out of prison I wasn't going to get 05:24 involved with any female... in any kind of way... 05:27 Let me go to Church, sit down on the pew, 05:30 just go to Church... and sit down... 05:33 Look at this, look at this... because both of you decided 05:37 to seek God first... Right... 05:41 So seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and His righteousness 05:44 and all these things shall be added unto you... 05:46 So you weren't even thinking about it... 05:48 neither of you was thinking about, 05:49 "Let me go and find... the one" and yet when you saw each other 05:54 when you saw her... the Holy Spirit said, 05:57 "She's the one," and when he brought you that rose 05:59 the Holy Spirit said, "He's the one. " 06:02 Right... right... So, Sabbath... you meet... 06:06 Sunday... OK, wait... let's go to 06:09 Saturday night... OK, OK, so how did you 06:11 ask her out... when you saw her... 06:13 you thought she was the one... how did you... 06:15 where did you go from there? Well, see... the first time 06:19 that I saw her at Church, I had been going for about 06:22 maybe three months... but I never saw her... 06:25 so when I saw her... one time at Church... 06:29 I asked my son about her... and he said, 06:32 I don't know her... daddy, I don't know the phone number 06:35 I asked my sister... "Oh, you don't want to... 06:37 Were they trying to block... So I'm like, 06:39 OK, when I see her at Church I'll handle it myself... 06:43 but when she went to Church... she didn't come 06:46 that next Sabbath and I was more like... 06:52 "Hey... she's not here... " but she came that evening... 06:56 at that time, they called it AY, Right... 07:01 And when I saw her... she was standing there 07:05 talking to another guy... and she had her back to me, 07:08 and I was leaning up against the wall, 07:10 and I said to myself, said it kind of under my breath, 07:14 Yeah, you know... I know... I'm watching you 07:16 I'm going to keep on watching you. 07:18 And Yvonne, I really felt him watching me... 07:20 I got... I felt these eyes at the back 07:22 I mean, I turned around, I went up to him, 07:23 and I said, "Hi" and I said, "Hi" 07:25 and I said to her... I said... you know, "I'm looking for 07:28 a Christian friend... how would you like to be that friend?" 07:31 and I said, "I think I would like that" 07:32 I said, "But in order for us to be friends... " 07:35 I said, "We got to get to know each other" 07:38 I said, "What is your phone number?" 07:39 "Where do you live?" And we made a date 07:41 to see each other that Saturday night. 07:42 And so, I made a date, to see her that Saturday night, 07:45 I called her on the phone, because she gave me 07:48 her number in the Lobby, and I called her that night, 07:52 and I told her that I had something for her, 07:54 and she says, "You don't even me... 07:56 how do you have something for me?" 07:57 I said, "Oh yeah, I know you" And when he came that 07:59 Saturday night, he brought me one red rose... 08:02 And it was so beautiful... and the fragrance... like... 08:05 overwhelmed me... and at that time, 08:07 the Holy Spirit impressed me, "He is the one" 08:09 And we talked that night and he said, 08:12 "Well, I want you to come to my house... you know... Sunday 08:15 and I came to his house... and he sat down in 08:18 one end of couch, and I sat down in the other end 08:20 of the couch... and he told me... 08:21 Wait a minute Freddie, now wait a minute... 08:22 I got to tell you this though... See... she was the Bible Worker 08:27 at the Church... she worked for the Conference 08:30 All right... And here I was... 08:32 they all knew who I was... you know, Cliff Harris, 08:35 this drug addict, penitentiary boy, you know, 08:39 he ain't worth a dime... and so, here he is, 08:42 talking to our sweet Sister Freddie... 08:46 Oh... they felt like they needed to protect her from you.. 08:49 That's it... OK, and they did try to do that, 08:54 But I had to let her know about me before she 08:58 would hear it from them... So, when I asked her to 09:02 come to my place, the next day, she sat on the couch, 09:06 and I told her that I'd been a drug addict all my life, 09:09 I'd stole, I'd lied, I'd cheated I'd done all these things, 09:13 And she looked at me and she said, "Is that all?" 09:15 And I said, "Is that all?" because the Holy Spirit 09:18 had already impressed... "He's the one... " 09:19 because being an Adventist all my life 09:21 never smoked or drank... I would have run out the door 09:24 but I knew... this was the guy that God had chosen for me 09:27 and God brought us together... not just for marriage, 09:29 but as you see now... the birth of Drug Alternative Program 09:32 Absolutely... God has, you know, we talk about this 09:35 on Urban Report all the time, 09:38 the Divine Plan... that God has for each of us... 09:42 Now, you would not have known, when you went to Church that day 09:45 that you were going to meet the love of your life... 09:49 That's just... But God knew... 09:51 He had the plan... and not only that... 09:54 When God does things... He doesn't just do things in one 09:57 He doesn't just accomplish one thing with one move, 10:00 He accomplishes several things with one move, 10:03 Right... right... So, He brought you together 10:05 He gave you... your partner for heaven... 10:08 because Ellen White lets us know too that... 10:11 that the person that we're with, our spouse, 10:14 can either help us go to Heaven or lead us away from Heaven, 10:18 Amen... And so, you were placed, 10:22 in his life as that rock... He was placed in your life 10:27 as that house band... and you guys... I mean... 10:30 And how many years has it been? Twenty eight years... 10:33 Wow... yes, yes... and nobody said it would last... 10:37 twenty eight years! Now, would you advise 10:42 other young people who.. let's say... 10:45 somebody just met this guy... a guy just met this girl... 10:49 would you advise them to do the same thing that you did? 10:52 No! because our was definitely providential... you know 10:56 because we had prepared ourselves... 10:57 not like... we just met each other... 10:59 but he had prepared himself for a year... 11:01 I had prepared myself for a year... 11:02 And I'd received this poem... because I'd joined the 11:05 Adventist Singles Club... and I'd received this poem 11:07 called, "Most Wonderful Love" and it said... 11:10 Freddie... I want you to stop looking around 11:12 for that perfect person, and I want you to 11:14 fall in love with me... Jesus Christ... 11:16 and that's when I decided... you know, I'm going to spend 11:18 one year with the Lord... I'm not going to look for anyone 11:20 I am just going to get to know Jesus... 11:22 then after that... then... that's when He brought 11:24 Cliff into my life... So we have an exception 11:26 to the rule... OK... All right... 11:28 You know what she said to me one time? 11:30 She said to me, "You're Number Two... 11:34 in our marriage" What do you mean... 11:38 I'm Number Two, I'm your husband you're husband... 11:42 I'm supposed to be Number One but one thing she said to me... 11:46 "Oh no, you might wake up one morning and tell me, 11:51 'I don't love you anymore... ' but if Jesus is Number One 11:56 in my life.. "... this is her... "He's not going to die on me, 12:01 He's not going to divorce me... He's not going to leave me... 12:06 He's going to always be there for you... " 12:09 and so... that made sense to me, and I'm like, 12:12 "Yeah OK, I can understand that" and so... 12:15 You'll take Number Two... Yeah... I'll take Number Two... 12:17 Yeah... and even in that process I got to learn... 12:24 and she told me... "I'm going to teach you 12:26 how to fall in love with Jesus" I'm like, "What do you mean? 12:30 I love Jesus... " "No, I'm going to teach you 12:32 how to fall in love with Him.. " OK, whip it on me... 12:35 because that's what I wanted... OK, so what are the steps? 12:37 I want to hear, what are the steps... 12:39 let's tell our viewers... what are the steps 12:42 to falling in with Jesus? Those steps, Yvonne, 12:44 is spending more time with Jesus you know, every day, 12:48 Cliff and I spend time... worship individually 12:51 and together... because we know that... 12:53 Hey, prayer is the answer, studying the Word of God, 12:56 because, you know, we work in this ministry, 12:58 24/7 and if we are not spending time with the Lord, 13:01 if we're not going to Church, if we're not going to 13:03 Prayer Meetings, we're not having that fellowship 13:06 with Him... what do we have 13:07 to give these guys? And you know, I read... 13:09 What is his name? ... Chambers 13:17 Oswald Chambers says "Activity is the unrecognized 13:23 symptom of spiritual weakness. " Activity? 13:27 ...is the unrecognized symptom... 13:29 we don't even recognize the symptom of spiritual weakness, 13:33 When I read that... it just like... hit me... 13:35 I said, "Lord, we have got to spend more time with you. " 13:39 That's the key... to having that relationship 13:41 with Him... You know Freddie, 13:43 that's so true because when you're in ministry... 13:46 your focus... all day... is ministry... 13:49 and if you don't have that private time... 13:53 with the Lord... it just will become a job... 13:57 because it's not going to be, you know, that purposeful, 14:02 passionate, ministry... it's going to be, 14:06 "Well, you know, I'm going to do this, this, this... 14:08 but without the underlying passion... for Jesus... 14:11 That's right... What are you smiling about? 14:12 I asked you the other day... you remember I asked you this? 14:17 What?... I asked you, I said, 14:19 Are you tired? You were at a booth, 14:21 you were at the booth, and I know what it's like 14:24 working at a booth... you're there on your feet... 14:27 all day... talking to people, and I asked you, 14:30 I said, "It's hard, isn't it, working at the booth?" 14:33 and you said, "No, it's not... I'm enjoying it. " 14:36 and that's what I saw in you, 14:39 I'll never forget you said that to me... 14:41 That told me a lot about you... and what your ministry 14:45 and what you're doing right here... 14:47 Praise the Lord... You enjoy it... 14:50 you get a satisfaction from it, and it's a challenge to you 14:56 every day because, yes... it might be hard... 14:59 we run through challenges and difficulties, 15:02 but for Jesus... all that wipes it out... 15:05 Yes... And that's what makes you so 15:07 special... Well, praise the Lord Brother... 15:11 Where's my check book? Just don't cash it... 15:14 I am in ministry so don't cash it... 15:16 But you know... and that's the same 15:17 with you guys... you love what you're doing... 15:20 it is... it is... again... part of the Divine Plan... 15:24 Right... And you know, Cliff, 15:26 your story is so compelling, many of our viewers know it, 15:31 many don't... share some of your testimony 15:33 with us... because God has just brought you... 15:36 Well, you know, I've been raised a Christian... 15:41 went to Pine Forge Academy, went to all Church Schools, 15:46 my father always took us to Prayer Meeting, 15:49 always took us to Sabbath School 15:51 we had prayer... every morning 15:54 before he went to work 15:55 We had worship as a family, we would have worship 15:57 together... as a family, in the evening... 16:00 you know, not that it was a boring... 16:03 I had a good childhood, so, I was raised that way, 16:09 but it got to be... at a point in my life... 16:12 After I was married... and I had three children... 16:14 and I started to run with this group of guys 16:18 and they started doing drugs and I was upset with them 16:21 when they first started smoking weed and 16:24 I was... but I wanted to be part 16:26 of what they were doing... How old were you 16:28 when you started moving away? Twenty one... 16:30 Oh.. so you weren't a teenager? Hmm, hmmm, because I used to get 16:35 upset with them... I wouldn't let you smoke 16:37 in my car... I wouldn't let you drink 16:39 in my car... But I ran with the wrong 16:41 group of guys... so if you're in that environment 16:44 you become... part of that... Come on, come on... that's right 16:49 And so, it took over and the next thing you know 16:52 Hey... I'm shooting up... next thing... you know... 16:56 first it was... whoosh, whoosh, 16:57 then... the weed.. then shhhh, shhhhhh 17:00 then shhhh, shhhh Is that something that you 17:03 thought... you'd never do? I thought I'd never do that 17:06 in my life... Things that I have done 17:10 in my life... I never thought that I would do, 17:12 you know, I buried my momma ten times... 17:15 What do you mean? 17:16 you know, when I say that line... 17:18 I got to go to my mother's funeral... 17:20 to get off work... you know... 17:21 my mother's passed away... and I got to go away... 17:24 and I'm gone from work for three or four days... 17:28 Selling my children's bicycle, my daughter's bicycle... 17:33 another thing that I know I did... 17:37 you know... I tried to sell the dog... 17:41 Oh... man... Can you imagine that? 17:45 It's like a family member right? yes... you're trying... 17:48 I put him in the car... trying to sell a little dog 17:52 to get the money so that I can get high... 17:54 and when I couldn't sell him... I threw him out the car 18:00 and when the kids came home... Where's the dog? 18:03 I don't know... Maybe he's run away... 18:08 you know.. these kinds of things you know... 18:10 that I did to my children... You know, Cliff, 18:14 one thing that I realize and I feel for, right now, 18:17 because... one thing that I realize 18:20 that the devil does... is... he starts us here... 18:24 he's patient... He starts us here... 18:26 and then... little by little... 18:27 he just spirals us downward... until he destroys 18:32 our characters... he destroys our integrity 18:35 he just... that's his goal... 18:37 and there's so many people who think... 18:39 "Man... if I'd just had money... or if I'd just had the bling... 18:44 or if I had just had... " It's such a big deception... 18:47 because once you start down that path, 18:50 it's like you're on a train... that you can't get off of... 18:54 Am I right? Right... 18:55 Did you feel... just compelled... like... 18:58 I just have to have that money... 19:00 I have to get these drugs... I have to... 19:03 Yes... and you do whatever... you will sell your momma... 19:07 you will sell your children... Do you understand what I mean? 19:11 I've heard stories about that... and I've done so many things... 19:15 There are some things I have done... 19:17 I can't even talk about on this program... 19:20 I am serious... that I've done to my ex-wife, 19:22 to my children... and, you know, 19:27 those are the kinds of things that you will carry with you 19:29 for the rest of your life... Yes... yes... 19:31 For the rest of your life... But Jesus is so good, 19:36 Yes, He is... You hear me... 19:38 Yes.. That he takes all this 19:39 stuff away... He says, "Bring them to me... " 19:42 "Put them on my shoulder" "I'll handle it" 19:44 Yes... And we take it to Him... 19:46 and put it on His shoulder... So you know what? 19:49 I don't have a lot of guilt for what I've done... 19:52 'cause God has taken all that away from me... 19:55 Because you are a new creature Cliff... 19:58 Yes... yes... He has forgiven me... 20:00 I don't care if you haven't... if you don't forgive me... 20:02 then that's your problem... but I know... 20:05 Jesus has forgiven me... you know, 20:08 I wouldn't get all these blessings that I have now 20:11 in my life... I know Satan is not doing it... 20:14 So, I know that it is the Lord. Absolutely... 20:18 Once you take all of these 20:22 burdens and lay them at the feet of Jesus, 20:25 it frees you... Because otherwise.. you would be 20:28 walking around under that load of guilt but Jesus said, 20:32 You know, that, "Come unto me all ye that are 20:36 that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest... 20:40 And you know what... let me tell you this... 20:42 Come on... tell me... I used to sit and think 20:44 my whole thing was... when I was in prison... 20:46 I want some peace of mind... PEACE... 20:49 because I remember... you know... 20:52 in the early days of my life, I'll put it like this... 20:56 Jesus would say, "Come unto me and I'll give you peace... 20:59 you'll have peace... " and I wanted peace 21:02 and I said, "You know what? I can get it... over here... 21:06 in Church... Let me go there... " 21:08 You see the seeds had been planted... 21:11 I want to tell all of you mothers, 21:13 because I have children too that have strayed from the Lord, 21:17 and I just want you to know that Jesus has a plan 21:21 for those children.. and that... all we have to do is 21:25 continue to be faithful to God and pray for those children, 21:29 pray for our children... plant those seeds 21:33 in the children when they are young 21:34 Right... Because... look at what happened 21:37 with you Cliff... you went away.. and came back... 21:41 His mother never knew that he got his life together... 21:44 Oh, she passed away before... Yes, she passed away before that 21:46 Let me just say this... what you said... 21:49 and I want to say the same thing 21:51 because I'm telling you, this is what happened to me, 21:54 My daddy... after my mother passed away... 21:59 My daddy... I kept him for 20... No, for six years of his life... 22:07 he came and stayed with me, I kept him, 22:11 and he said to me... one morning... 22:14 sitting at the breakfast table, my daddy said to me, 22:17 "Clifford, you're mother would be proud of you now... 22:20 to see... you have changed... and who would have thought 22:24 you... me... out of all my brothers and sisters 22:28 you'd be the one to take care of me... 22:31 and through her prayers... the Lord answered her prayer... 22:36 even though she was gone. That's another thing... 22:41 God honors the prayers of the saints... 22:44 even when they go to sleep... those prayers... 22:46 because my grandmothers... I know, both of them, 22:49 prayed me back into the Church, prayed me back into Jesus, 22:53 and my grandmother was... my maternal grandmother 22:56 was still living... when I came back to the Lord... 22:59 But my paternal... my father's mother, 23:03 had passed away... but... I know she prayed for me 23:07 and God honors those prayers, even though they've gone 23:10 to sleep... He still honors those prayers. 23:13 And when we go to Heaven, your mom is just overjoyed... 23:18 Hallelujah, Amen... Yes, yes... 23:19 She sees your face... she's going to rejoice... 23:21 Not only him... but all the others 23:23 that he has helped, you know. Yes... yes... 23:26 You know, my mother said to me, and I will never forget this, 23:32 on her deathbed... my mother had cancer... 23:35 she was dying from cancer... and I went to see her 23:40 I drove from California... I mean from Denver... 23:45 to Florida... to see my mother... 23:47 OK... Hmmmm... 23:50 I was still on drugs... I went there to see her 23:55 and I went to jail there... Wow... 24:00 OK? You gave yourself up? 24:02 No, I walked into a liquor store with a marijuana joint 24:07 in my mouth... ... and got arrested... 24:10 and the police was in the store, and he's like 24:15 "Are you nuts?" you know... and I was arrested 24:20 in Florida... so I took this problem 24:23 to my mom and dad... 24:25 I had my three children with me 24:28 to see my mother... and you know when I got back 24:31 my dad came and got me out of jail... 24:33 my mother said to me... I was sitting on her bed... 24:38 my mother... said to me... 24:41 Clifford... I wish you had never come to see me... 24:46 because you brought all the stuff and pain to me... 24:50 I don't want to see you... 24:53 Here's your momma... telling you... 24:54 "I don't want to see you" I had a good momma... 24:59 you know, she wasn't an evil person or 25:03 hard person... you know, I think you knew 25:06 my mother... I don't know if you did or not, 25:09 from family but... it was the pain that I brought 25:16 to them both, you know, and I had to go back 25:20 to Colorado... after that... I went to prison again... 25:23 the second time... but... that's OK... 25:27 I know, I am going to see my mother in Heaven... 25:29 you know what I mean? It's a great Getting-up-morning 25:32 it's a great Getting-up-morning... coming... 25:35 and the pain that she had... it will be like... 25:39 childbirth... you forget about it... 25:40 because when she sees your face there Cliff... 25:44 that's going to erase all the former pain... 25:47 all the former pain... What would you say, 25:50 in the last couple of minutes that we have, 25:53 from both of you... Freddie, what advice would 25:57 you give to a mother that has a wayward child, 26:02 that wants that child to know Jesus... 26:04 what would you say? You know I had a wayward son too 26:07 we have this ministry... and our son... 26:09 my son was on drugs... and I was Ms. Co-dependent 26:12 but I had to just... let go... 26:14 and let him feel the consequences of these 26:17 decisions that he made... and I kept praying... 26:19 I kept praying... and the Lord just impressed me 26:22 one day... Lennon is on drugs 26:24 go to Atlanta to see him... I went to see him... 26:27 we talked... I told him he was on drugs 26:29 he had been on drugs for five years, 26:31 and I didn't even know it, but he gave his heart 26:34 to the Lord... and I... 26:35 today, I can say, he's a Minister... 26:37 married with two children... but my advice would be 26:40 "Let go... and let God... 26:42 and don't be a co-dependent to them... just let them 26:45 feel the consequences... but be there, 26:47 let them know, you love them, 26:49 but don't be a co-dependent... 26:51 That's so true Freddie... you want to support 26:54 your children... but not enable them... 26:57 Right... So you don't want them to 26:59 you don't want it to foster the bad choices 27:04 that they've been making... because... once you do that... 27:07 you're in it with them... That's right... 27:09 and you just make it worse, 27:10 so... that's a major thing... plant the seeds, 27:14 when the children are young, just like what happened 27:18 with you Cliff... and God brought you back... 27:20 and He brought you back... with a sense of urgency... 27:25 for Him... Yes, yes... 27:27 What else... I mean... what else is there to say? 27:31 I can't believe our time is up... 27:32 Thank you guys... thank you so much for coming... 27:36 I'm so blessed... whenever I hear your testimony 27:40 Cliff... and you have a book... tell us the name of your book, 27:43 "Death Dance" Death Dance by Patti Conwell 27:47 Yes... As told to Patti Conwell... 27:49 I should say... well thank you so much 27:51 for being with us... and you're going to come again, 27:54 We... are... all right... promise... 27:55 Promise... you hear this... 27:57 Our time has slipped away... thanks so much 27:59 for tuning in... join us next time... 28:01 It just wouldn't be the same... without you... |
Revised 2025-01-04