Participants: Yvonne Lewis (Host), Ruben Carr
Series Code: UBR
Program Code: UBR000058S
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00:01 Our world is in trouble and in the Word of God
00:03 we've been told to cry aloud and spare not... 00:06 Stay tuned to meet a man who takes that admonition seriously. 00:10 My name if Yvonne Lewis and you're watching Urban Report 00:36 Hello and welcome to Urban Report 00:38 Last year I interviewed Ruben Carr a formerly homeless 00:43 man whose life God remarkably transformed... 00:46 Today, he's going to share with us the ministry 00:49 that God gave him and how it's changing the lives of others 00:53 Welcome back to Urban Report Ruben... 00:56 Yvonne, how're you doing? I'm doing great, praise the Lord 00:59 And how are you? If I was any better 01:03 I'll be on the moon... Praise the Lord 01:07 God is so good isn't he? He is... all the time... 01:10 All the time... So, okay, so Ruben 01:13 when you were here before we talked about your testimony 01:19 and how God has just brought you from homelessness to ministry 01:24 and to serving Him walking in the divine purpose 01:29 that He has for you... but today, we're going to look 01:33 at the ministry that God has given you 01:36 tell us about your ministry... 01:38 What are you doing? I put a lot of priorities in 01:43 ministry that God has given me, to tell the world about 01:46 what we truly believe... but I think that it's high time 01:49 that we wake up out of our sleep and to return back 01:52 to those things... once we were before 01:54 And so, when we talk about the pillars of our faith 01:59 the foundation of our faith what are some of those pillars 02:03 that you talk about? Well, righteousness by faith 02:07 victory over sin is one of the two most important 02:10 ones that I believe that we need to get back to... 02:14 Okay... explain... remember some of the people 02:18 that are watching don't even know what righteousness is 02:21 so when you talk about righteousness by faith 02:24 you know... like... what is that about... 02:26 for the lay person for the person that has no idea 02:29 about these concepts... what actually is 02:32 "Righteousness by faith" 02:33 Well, righteousness by faith is what we teach 02:37 and what is righteousness by faith.. it clearly tells us that 02:40 we have to take off our self-righteousness 02:44 and put on Christ's righteousness 02:46 His character... Our character has to be changed 02:49 our character is built upon what we believe 02:52 and what we feel in our minds and in our hearts 02:54 and that character has to be changed 02:56 to the character of Christ... Hmmmm... so on our own 03:01 we base a lot of what we do, and what we think 03:06 on our own standards versus what the Word of God says 03:11 Exactly... And so the righteousness of 03:14 Christ... we need that righteousness 03:17 because we don't have our own, that's what you're saying right? 03:20 Exactly, because what we're taught is... 03:22 is that we have sanctification and justification... 03:26 justification comes first but santification... we teach 03:29 is a lifetime but what we don't understand is that 03:31 we can only live one day at a time... 03:33 so we have to live for today overcoming sin 03:37 through Christ's righteousness. And you know, that's a really 03:41 good point... Rube because a lot of people 03:45 think that well, you know, I'm just a sinner 03:49 I'm just a sinner and I'm stuck in this thing 03:53 but God offers us victory otherwise, it's like... 03:57 if there were hospitals where... the patients never get well 04:01 what is that? So, the whole idea is 04:05 we can have victory over sin through Christ 04:10 not through our own works, not through, you know, 04:14 it's not about us... it's about His righteousness 04:17 Am I correct? Is that where you're coming from 04:20 That's right... The Bible says, "If you abide in me 04:23 and I abide in you... you can ask anything in my name" 04:26 Hmmmm... hmmmmmm Live day by day... 04:28 accepting Christ's righteousness and our righteousness... 04:32 like the Bible says... is as filthy rags... 04:35 Wow... ... and Christ's righteousness 04:37 like you said earlier... He gives us the victory 04:40 for that day... over sin... we can only live... 04:43 one day at a time... Hmmmm, hmmmm that's a good point 04:47 So, righteousness by faith, victory over sin... 04:51 what are some of the other pillars? 04:54 You have the health message which is one of the things 04:59 that we teach... the health message 05:00 overcoming eating certain things that we believe are unclean 05:04 and that we should not be eating you also have 05:08 righteousness by faith, victory over sin, 05:09 you have the Spirit of Prophecy what we do need 05:12 we need to get back to the Spirit of Prophecy... 05:14 because in the Spirit of Prophecy 05:16 God speaks to us also. And so... with 05:20 there are different factions 05:24 I know, in the Church, 05:25 like some folks... do believe in the Spirit of Prophecy 05:29 some folks don't... so what you're saying is... 05:31 you're pointing... you're ministry is pointing 05:34 people back to the Word of God, to righteousness by faith 05:41 to victory over sin, and to the Spirit of Prophecy 05:45 Exactly, because... you and I both know 05:48 in the last days... one of the things that we'll 05:50 be attacked is... State of the Dead... 05:53 and also... the Sabbath... which comes under 05:56 the Ten Commandments... and so... when you look at the 06:00 seven pillars of our faith... it brings us to an area 06:03 where we have to see everything... 06:05 and it leads us back to the sanctuary message 06:08 which is also important... for us to understand 06:11 righteousness by faith... we have to go back 06:14 to the sanctuary message... Okay... so let's talk a little 06:17 bit about the sanctuary message, because a lot of people 06:20 don't even know... again, we can't assume that 06:23 people that are watching know what we're talking about... 06:25 so... when we talk about... the sanctuary... 06:29 What is that? What is that all about? 06:31 Why is that important? Because the sanctuary message 06:34 tells us... what Christ did for us... 06:37 remember, any priest, before he went into 06:39 the Holy Place... he had to go through 06:41 the outer court... that's where we get 06:43 forgiveness for our sins... that's where the blood 06:45 is spilled... and if a priest or a high priest 06:49 were to walk into the Holy Place with sin... 06:51 he would be destroyed 06:53 and the problem is... we don't understand... 06:55 we've been living in the Outer Court 06:57 we should be in the Holy Place and move with Christ 07:00 as He moves to the Most Holy Place 07:02 by the way we live... and if we're living in the 07:05 Outer Court... we are not overcoming sin 07:08 because we're trying to do it in our own strength... 07:10 How are we living in the Outer Court... 07:12 well, first of all... okay, okay, let's go back 07:14 and describe... the different sections 07:17 of the Sanctuary... so, when you walk... 07:21 so people can get... like a mental picture... 07:24 of what the Sanctuary looks like... 07:27 so just give us... you don't have to give us 07:29 like a real intense breakdown but... when you walk in 07:34 what section are you in when you first enter 07:37 the Sanctuary? You're in the Outer Court 07:39 and what happens there... That's where the lambs are slain 07:43 for those who commit sin, that's where the blood is spilled. 07:46 Okay... in the Outer Court and then... from there... 07:50 Then you go into the Holy Place, Hmmm... hmmm... 07:53 and then, from there, you go to the Most Holy Place. 07:57 What happens in the Holy Place? The Holy Place is where we have 08:00 righteousness by faith... that's where 08:02 Christ's righteousness is... remember... where sin is... 08:06 we have to clean ourselves first and then we move to the 08:09 next compartment in our lives by accepting 08:12 righteousness by faith... and we get victory over sin 08:15 but we cannot stay in the Holy Place spiritually 08:19 and live in sin... the two don't go together... 08:23 and that's where we get confused when we teach the message 08:26 we can have victory over sin but the only way we can do that 08:29 we have to look at the heart sins. 08:32 You see... Yvonne... when we walk in the Church 08:34 we're taught... oh, stop doing this and stop doing that 08:37 stop doing all these other things... 08:39 but God is looking at the heart sins... 08:41 and those are the sins that we find so difficult 08:44 to give up... Yes... so not the external 08:46 manifestation... so much... but those inner sins... 08:50 It's like those inner sins that we have, Yvonne, 08:54 those inner sins... like when we get an attitude... 08:58 when we get upset with someone we always blame the other person 09:01 we have to take responsibility for our own sins... 09:05 we have to understand that when we get upset 09:08 it's not the other person... it's us... 09:10 we allowed ourselves to be upset we allowed ourselves to envious 09:14 we allowed ourselves to be jealous... 09:17 we allowed ourselves to be unkind... 09:20 So, these inner sins... envy, jealousy, 09:24 unkindness to others... these things... 09:28 you're saying that... we have control... 09:31 over those things... we have control 09:35 over our response to different things... 09:38 Is that what you're saying? We have the control? 09:41 We don't have control... we have to allow Christ 09:44 to control us... Ah... 09:45 His spirit to come in... because remember... 09:48 the Bible says... "Though I speak words of love 09:51 though I can do all these things... and hath not love 09:54 I'm nothing but a sounding brass and a tinkling cymbal... 09:56 The only way we can allow Christ to take control of us 10:00 is to say, "Lord, I'm about to get upset... please help me. " 10:03 and then... He makes a way of escape... 10:06 remember He always makes a way of escape... 10:08 it's our choice... the part that we have to do is 10:11 choose... either to accept the way of escape 10:13 or to keep going our own way... It's a really interesting point 10:17 Several years ago, I read a book by Morris Venden... 10:21 it was called... something about 10:24 righteousness by faith in your will... 10:27 and what he was saying is basically 10:30 what you're saying... that really... 10:33 there's nothing we can really do 10:35 we can't earn salvation but what we can do... 10:40 is to give God time with us to work through us 10:45 and put His righteousness in us... other than that 10:49 we really can't doing anything to change ourselves... 10:54 the Bible says, you know, "Can an Ethiopian 10:58 change his skin?" you know... "or the leopard 11:01 his spots... " we can't change ourselves 11:04 but the righteousness of Christ can do that 11:08 and so... I think what you're saying is... 11:11 by giving God time... by focusing on Him 11:15 and by giving Him our will... yielding our will to Him 11:19 He will then change... our inner man... 11:23 Those sins... that sin that doth so easily beset us... 11:27 that thing that we just keep falling into by default 11:31 Christ can change... Is that what you're saying to me 11:34 Exactly... we have to be honest with ourselves... 11:38 and tell God, "Look, I have a problem and I need your help. " 11:41 and most of the time, it's something that happened 11:44 in our past that we never overcame... 11:46 we're holding on to those things... 11:48 we have to learn how to forgive and forget... 11:50 when Christ was about to be crucified 11:52 when they were beating Him with a cat o' nine tails... 11:55 and when He... eventually what He said was, 11:58 "Father, forgive them... for they know not what they do " 12:00 His love for us is unmatchless... 12:04 His love for us reaches down every time we fall... 12:07 and saying, "You can get up again" 12:09 "Take my hand and I'll take you up" 12:11 Our problem is... when we make a mistake 12:13 we keep looking at a solution that we come up with... 12:16 and everything that we come up with... like the Bible says, 12:19 "is as filthy rags" that's our self-righteousness 12:22 we feel bad... and 3 days later we think we can go on... 12:26 and the devil just sets up another trap... 12:28 and Christ is saying clearly... "If I abide in you 12:31 and you abide in me, you can ask anything in my name" 12:35 and what we need to do is accept Christ's righteousness 12:38 give up ours... and when His righteousness 12:41 comes in... it's no longer "us" 12:43 but it's "Him" that lives in us, and helps us to move 12:47 and make the right decisions... That a very good point... 12:50 when we ask Christ 12:56 to really work this thing through 12:58 then... He will do that... there's another book I read 13:02 about seven answers to prayer that God always answers "yes" to 13:08 and one of them is... "help"... when we are asking God for help 13:14 for wisdom... He will give us that... 13:18 to help us through whatever it is we're going through 13:22 but one of the things that I noticed, Ruben, 13:24 and you tell me if this is your experience as well... 13:29 many times if you're caught up into... 13:31 whether it is unforgiveness or whatever it is... 13:35 you don't really feel like praying... 13:39 you don't really feel like giving it to God 13:43 and so what do you do... during those times 13:46 when you don't really feel like pressing through, 13:49 what do you do? Well, one of the problems 13:53 we have to deal with... and I didn't mention this before, it's 13:55 we have to be honest with sin, sin feels good, sin tastes good 14:00 and sin is good... we have to lose that taste 14:03 for sin... and when we feel like.. 14:05 like doing anything... we have to understand one thing 14:08 God is a God of principle regardless of how we feel 14:11 His love for us never changes... 14:13 it never changes 14:14 it's not based on feelings it's based on principle 14:18 and once we get... and start feeling that way 14:20 we're allowing ourselves to get in the way 14:23 of God's forgiveness, and that's what the devil wants. 14:25 We don't believe that when God says, 14:27 "I forgive you" you have to really believe 14:30 that He forgives you... and that He throws it into 14:32 His sea of forgetfulness and that's what the problem is 14:35 we keep thinking... "Did God really forgive me?" 14:38 "Did He really cleanse me from all unrighteousness?" 14:41 "Can I really get up now?" "Do I have to lose 14:43 these feelings?" "How do I get rid of them? 14:45 You have to take up His yoke... 14:47 where He said, "Take up your yoke, 14:50 and learn of Me... " once we ask forgiveness 14:52 then we spend time in the Word, and in the Spirit of Prophecy 14:55 and the Bible... and get to know Christ... 14:57 one of the best books I've ever read 14:59 to get to know Christ is the "Desire of Ages" 15:01 is Jesus Christ 15:03 Yes... that book is so powerful 15:07 and everytime I read it 15:08 I get something new from it... you can just sense that... 15:12 it really makes Christ... come alive... you know... 15:17 it just expands on the Word, it's such a good book, 15:22 to me it's the best book, of course, excluding the Bible 15:26 the best book about Christ's life... 15:28 that I've ever read... it's so profound and what you 15:34 were saying, Ruben, about the love of God... 15:36 that is so deep because people need to 15:39 understand that God loves us He's not in heaven trying to 15:43 wait to zap us... and kill us and like... 15:46 you know... be like a cosmic killjoy 15:48 no... He wants the best for us, He's got a plan for us 15:53 He wants everything... it's not His will 15:57 that any should perish... but that all should come to 15:59 repentence... that's what He wants 16:01 He wants to save us... and He's going to do everything 16:05 He's laid heaven out... for us, but we have to be willing 16:09 to take advantage of that... to tap into 16:13 that heavenly resource... He's giving us... 16:17 all heaven is at our disposal... to help us to have victory 16:21 so that one day... we can be with Christ... 16:24 So how does your ministry... then... 16:27 tie into all of this 16:29 what are you doing then to share this information about 16:33 Christ's righteousness? Well, what we're teaching people 16:37 is once you commit a sin you ask God's forgiveness 16:41 and you take Him at his word... you have to take Him at his word 16:45 feelings have nothing to do with it... 16:46 and by doing that... it helps you to understand 16:49 that when we sin... the Spirit of Prophecy 16:52 the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy 16:54 show us that God pity for us is infinite... 16:57 He does not stop loving us... 16:59 and one of the stories I tell 17:02 I ask people the question... "What is it that makes the devil 17:05 so happy and so full of joy when he is burning... 17:09 he'll be the last one to burn up... " 17:12 and all these people will say, "Oh, because of all the people 17:14 he's taken with him... " No, it's because God loves him 17:18 so much... even though he has to destroy him... 17:21 He will never forget him... that's His son... 17:23 He created him... and though He has to destroy sin 17:27 that's why He said, "I have no good pleasure 17:29 in the destruction of the wicked" 17:31 and we have to understand that He'll go.. all the way for us... 17:36 if He has to... He'll dispatch every angel in heaven 17:40 to help one soul to overcome sin... 17:42 So, overcoming sin is a critical piece, then, you're saying 17:49 to, of course, our spiritual growth... 17:52 so, for those that say, "Well, I can't stop... 17:56 I can't stop sinning... you know, this is just who I am 18:00 God knows my heart... I mean... He knows that 18:03 I want to stop but.. I just can't stop. " 18:06 What do you say to that? They have not given up "self" 18:09 it's just... plain and clear... they have not given up self... 18:12 they haven't come to the realization 18:14 they haven't reached that point 18:15 where they pour their hearts out to God... 18:17 no one can stop sinning... we can't... it's our nature... 18:21 we were born in sin and shaken in iniquity 18:23 and so... we have to understand, we need a power 18:26 way beyond ourselves... to do that... 18:28 and that's where it comes with Christ's righteousness. 18:31 He gives us the power to overcome sin. 18:33 When the woman was caught in adultery... 18:35 What did Christ say to her? Who are your accusers? 18:38 She said, "I have none Lord. " He said, "Go and sin no more. " 18:41 But if you take that word and you really look at it... 18:43 He said, "Go... and I give you the power to overcome sin. " 18:47 Hmmmmm... that's a beautiful thing... 18:50 so, as you said earlier... Christ's love for us is infinite 18:55 it's an infinite love that we cannot... 18:58 we can't even fathom that kind of love... 19:02 We can't even fathom that... It cannot even enter into the 19:06 hearts of man... how much God loves us... 19:08 and we can't measure it... there's nothing 19:10 to measure it with... and the devil does everything 19:13 he can to make us feel sorry for ourselves 19:16 and even feeling sorry for yourself is sin... 19:19 because Christ died on the cross even for that... 19:21 Hmmmm... so, again... 19:24 So... "Time for the Loud Cry" then... your ministry... 19:29 has been formulated to explain all of this to its listeners... 19:37 like tell us what... how does it manifest... 19:41 is it on TV, is it radio, is it the internet... 19:44 what is "Time for the Loud Cry?" We have a call-in show 19:47 and now we've just installed a new feature 19:50 it's "Time for the Loud Cry" TV... 19:52 We'll be streaming as we go to different Churches... 19:55 and traveling to different places... 19:57 doing live seminars... and doing a lot of things 20:00 that help people to understand, but on Friday night... 20:03 is when... we go through the Spirit of Prophecy... 20:05 we go through the Bible... we go through 20:08 the time of the judgment the judgment... 20:10 the investigative judgment... the executive judgment 20:12 the final judgment... we have to teach them 20:15 to understand the judgment pointing to 20:18 righteousness by faith... once you show them 20:20 and take them through the sanctuary promises 20:23 then they start to understand the love for Christ 20:26 and what he has done for us... how He sacrificed His life 20:29 how He stood there and allowed these men to abuse Him 20:32 and He never said another word... 20:34 Christ never tried to justify Himself 20:37 and our biggest problem is... Yvonne, we're always trying 20:40 to justify ourselves when someone says something... 20:42 we don't have to answer, we can take the high road, 20:45 we can say, "Lord, I want to say something... but give me 20:49 the strength... not to say anything... 20:50 and put it in your hands... " and Christ will do it... 20:53 because He's in the saving business 20:56 He doesn't want us to be lost, He doesn't want the person 20:59 that we may or may not be upset with to be lost either 21:02 and once we understand what true love is... 21:05 and true love can only be found in Christ. 21:07 Hmmm... that is absolutely true, God is love... 21:13 that's the bottom line, God is love... 21:17 and true love can be found, through Jesus Christ. 21:21 The Bible says clearly "Fear God and give glory to Him 21:25 for the hour of his judgment is coming 21:27 worship Him who made the heavens and the earth, 21:29 the seas and the fountains of water... " 21:31 What does the word "fear" mean? It means to love Him 21:34 and Christ said, "If you love me keep my commandments. " 21:38 Yes, yes, yes... so describe the programs that you have 21:43 on your radio program... like... on your internet program 21:48 describe what happens... so if someone goes to 21:52 timefortheloudcry. com what are they going to hear? 21:56 Well, the first hour of my program, we are on 4 hours a day 22:00 on the Sabbath... in the afternoon... 22:02 the first program they hear is the health message 22:05 the health message is the right arm of the gospel 22:08 so we present the health message first... 22:10 and then from there... we go into the Bible... 22:13 the Spirit of Prophecy... or what subject 22:15 you may be talking about that day... 22:17 I know very soon... we're going to be doing some 22:19 stuff more with the sanctuary message... 22:21 and also with the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy 22:23 to draw people closer to get back to studying... 22:26 We need to study... to show ourselves approved 22:28 not being ashamed but rightly dividing the word of truth... 22:31 and once we can do that... and we fix and focus 22:34 our eyes on Christ... He said, "Let this mind be 22:37 in you which is also in Christ Jesus... " 22:39 and then we walk differently, we talk differently 22:42 because it's no longer us... but it's Christ's righteousness 22:45 in us... the hope of glory... Wow, so, ok, so when a listener 22:52 calls in... are the seminars interactive... 22:56 do they get to ask questions or do they sit there 22:59 and listen and take notes... is it a passive thing 23:03 is it an interactive thing... how does it work? 23:06 Some of them are, and some of them are not 23:08 and we do have interactive everytime we come on... 23:11 they get a chance to do Q and A they can ask a question 23:15 and they can ask us to make something 23:18 a little clearer for them... if we need to... 23:20 we call them after the program, and work with them.. that way... 23:23 and then there are times where we have a group of people 23:26 about six at a time will come on... 23:29 and each one will read a Bible text pertaining to the message 23:32 we're talking about... so they can get 23:34 a clear understanding... and then we'll ask people, 23:36 "Okay... if you have a question or a comment, you can come in 23:39 now and ask your question or make your comment... " 23:41 now everybody doesn't agree with us... 23:43 but the bottom line is... is that we all agree 23:46 that we have to be in Christ, in order for us to be saved. 23:49 Yes, yes... so it's a Bible Study time 23:54 or it's a study time, whether you're studying 23:56 the Bible or the Spirit of Prophecy... 23:58 it's a studying time that... kind of a guided study 24:04 where people can ask questions but yet 24:07 everybody is kind of able to share... if they want to... 24:12 Is that correct? Exactly... we have different 24:14 speakers that come on from all over the Country 24:17 that share messages... even after the end 24:20 of the message that are not interactive... 24:22 we do allow a chance for everyone to ask a question 24:26 and make a comment... whether you disagree or 24:28 don't agree... we're not there to... 24:30 we're just there to share, we are not there to argue 24:33 with anyone... we're just there to share. 24:35 And as long as we can walk away from the program 24:38 knowing that we still love one another, 24:40 the Lord will take care of the rest... 24:42 All right, so who are some of the speakers... that you have? 24:44 Well, we have Pastor Gordon out in Washington State, 24:47 we have Elder Darren Staker down in Tennessee, 24:50 we have Pastor Marvin Parks he is also in Tennessee... 24:54 we have other pastors who call in from overseas... 24:57 we have ministers from all over we even have women 25:01 who come in and put on a program 25:03 health programs and all kinds of things... 25:06 we even have young people who come on and sing for us 25:09 we do a variety of things that help everyone... 25:12 and the numbers are growing God is blessing 25:15 we even have a lot of countries overseas 25:17 that I didn't even know we had 25:19 and it's amazing to see how the ministry is growing 25:22 and we stick closely to what we believe 25:24 and we always do our texts before we even come on 25:27 to make sure... that we're preaching 25:29 the straight testimony... That's very important 25:33 that's very important... so how did this whole idea 25:36 come to be? Where did "Time for the Loud Cry" 25:39 come from? Well, the context came to us 25:42 while we were sitting there watching the computer 25:44 so we always hear, "Loud Cry... loud cry... " 25:46 and I said, "I think it's time for the loud cry... " 25:48 I wasn't working at the time... 25:50 still am not... but you know, the joy of working for the Lord 25:54 is what I want to do now and that's how 25:55 Time for the Loud Cry came about... 25:57 I didn't even know if it was going to work... 25:59 but it has exploded because God is the one 26:02 that sits on the throne of Time for the Loud Cry... 26:04 we follow everything that the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy 26:07 teach us... but we do it in a way 26:10 that everybody can understand it we use 80% Bible 26:13 20% Spirit of Prophecy... so we round everything off 26:16 to help everybody to understand what we truly believe 26:19 and if there's something that we don't even understand 26:21 we always let them know that we'll get back to you 26:24 and that's when the phone starts to call... 26:26 we start to call people... ask their opinion 26:28 and then we search ourselves and make sure 26:30 because we don't know everything we have to be like the Bereans 26:34 in the last days... "Study to show yourself approved 26:37 not needing to be ashamed, 26:38 but rightly dividing the word of truth. 26:40 Amen... amen.. so every year you have some event around in July, 26:48 tell us what you do every year in July... 26:51 Well, every 3rd weekend in July, we always have the people 26:59 who come on the line to come and meet us 27:01 wherever we are going to be... and we have them come 27:04 from all over the Country, they get to meet us 27:06 for the first time... which draws us even closer 27:08 to one another... and the funny thing about it is 27:10 they'll come and they'll say, "Elder Carr, I was listening 27:13 to you and I had you looking like someone else... " 27:16 "Well, I thought you look like someone else. " 27:18 We are always trying to think of how the person looks 27:20 by the way their voices sound, and the surprises that we have 27:23 gotten is amazing... Ha... ha... ha... you know, 27:27 it is really important to be able to match that voice 27:31 with the face... because sometimes you talk 27:33 to people on the phone and you just really don't have 27:35 a concept of what they look like till you meet them... so... 27:38 that is a true point... that is true... 27:40 Ruben, thank you so much 27:43 for being with us 27:44 and for sharing this information with us. 27:46 Do you have anything else that you want to share quickly? 27:50 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son 27:53 that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish 27:55 but have everlasting life... Amen... 27:58 I can't say anything more than that... 28:00 Once again... it's time to go... Thank you so much for tuning in. 28:04 Tune in next time... it just wouldn't be the same 28:07 without you... |
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