Urban Report

Legal Eagle

Three Angels Broadcasting Network

Program transcript

Participants: Yvonne Lewis (Host), Cynthia Tolbert


Series Code: UBR

Program Code: UBR000107S

00:00 Many of our juveniles are tried as adults.
00:03 What's going on in our legal system?
00:05 Stay tuned to meet someone on the frontlines
00:08 of Justice Reform.
00:09 My name is Yvonne Lewis
00:11 and you're watching Urban Report.
00:34 Hello, and welcome to Urban Report.
00:37 Our guest today is Cynthia Tolbert,
00:39 attorney and CEO of
00:41 Jabez Productions and Management Company.
00:43 Welcome to Urban Report, Cynthia.
00:46 Thank you very much.
00:47 So good to have you here in studio,
00:50 so we don't have to Skype you in.
00:53 You know, you had sent me some information
00:56 about what you're doing.
00:59 I'd like you to share that with our viewers,
01:01 because immediately when I saw it,
01:03 I thought, our viewers need to see this.
01:06 They need to know more about what's going on.
01:09 So first of all,
01:10 let's get a little background about you.
01:12 Tell me who you are and where are you from?
01:14 Well, my name as you stated is Cynthia Tolbert.
01:18 I am an attorney.
01:19 I have been an attorney for about 14 years.
01:21 And I'm also the CEO of
01:24 Jabez Production and Management Company.
01:26 What kind of attorney?
01:27 I have practiced in every area of the law.
01:30 You know, when you start out,
01:32 you just kind of open up the doors
01:34 and you let anyone, everyone in
01:35 and you do whatever you can to help them.
01:37 So I've practiced in just about every area.
01:40 I have about three or four areas
01:42 that are my primary areas.
01:44 But I've practiced in about every area of the law there is,
01:46 so I guess I would be a general practitioner.
01:49 I've also been heavily involved in ministry.
01:52 I was raised to believe that
01:53 you need to give back to your community.
01:55 That you need to do something
01:57 as far as the world is concerned,
01:59 on the world stage, world scene,
02:01 where you are, you need to partake in volunteering.
02:04 And so I have been working at the church as a volunteer
02:08 with various ministries
02:10 and also a religious volunteer at the Marion County Jail
02:12 for the past 14 years.
02:14 So what have you found working in the legal system
02:18 and visiting the jails as a Christian?
02:20 What have you found?
02:22 What is the trend that you've seen,
02:23 or what are the trends that you are seeing?
02:25 Actually, I was really amazed
02:31 as far as within the court system,
02:33 the civil court system as far as the dependency cases,
02:37 the cases where various family members
02:41 are adjudicated dependent, the kids are,
02:43 because they are being abused by family members,
02:46 and not just community members, but family members.
02:49 And so I was amazed to see the level of abuse
02:52 that takes place by mothers and fathers
02:56 that's perpetuated against their own children.
02:58 So that was alarming to me
03:00 when I actually practiced dependency law.
03:02 What is that?
03:03 When you said adjudicated dependency.
03:05 What is-- what is that?
03:07 For those of us who don't speak legalese, what is it?
03:10 Basically in our dependency court system,
03:13 you can have a trial
03:15 or you can choose to enter into some type of a plea-deal
03:19 where you are deemed guilty,
03:22 but it will not go on your record
03:24 as a conviction.
03:26 So you can be adjudicated with adjudication withheld,
03:28 you can be adjudicated.
03:30 So if they are adjudicated,
03:31 basically it's deemed guilty of the charge.
03:35 So it was just amazing to me,
03:37 I've represented the parents on behalf of the state.
03:40 And I also represented the Guardian Ad Litem Program,
03:42 they represent the children in those proceedings.
03:45 And so I was just amazed,
03:47 because I had to review the court files,
03:49 when you read the details about the abuse
03:52 and the sickness that goes on in homes.
03:55 And like I said, it wasn't just with the caretakers.
03:56 It was with parents, mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters.
03:59 And so I was alarmed at that,
04:01 and then I also simultaneously--
04:04 volunteering in the jail.
04:06 I first started out with the ladies in the jail
04:09 and we started a ministry with them
04:11 for about eight years.
04:12 And what were you doing with them?
04:14 Basically I would go in once a week,
04:17 my work with the team of three ladies,
04:19 so we rotate and we would just--
04:23 my message was hope.
04:25 I have come to give you hope,
04:27 there is hope for you in your situation.
04:30 This is one season in your life,
04:32 do not allow it to define you.
04:34 So that was the message I'd taken to the ladies
04:36 and I will take various things in.
04:38 I believe in being very open and honest about my life,
04:40 so what I was going through,
04:42 let's say, if I went through something during the week,
04:44 I would share it with them openly and honestly.
04:47 If I read something in the newspapers or any--
04:49 and maybe in a worship book or something,
04:51 I would share it with them,
04:53 so that was my ministry to the ladies.
04:55 So you would kind of become not just a mentor,
05:01 but you were showing them the Christian walk.
05:04 And that sometimes, I mean, Christians have issues, too,
05:07 we have things that we go through, too,
05:09 and yet this is-- and I love the way you put it.
05:13 This is a season,
05:15 this is not their permanent condition.
05:18 This doesn't have to be their destiny.
05:21 This is a season and you brought them hope.
05:24 And what a beautiful thing because so many of our people
05:27 that are in jail and in prisons,
05:29 feel hopeless, they feel as though,
05:31 you know, this is it.
05:33 I have nothing, no one cares about me.
05:35 And so you were going in and you were being transparent.
05:39 Can you share a story about an inmate whose life
05:42 particularly impacted you or you impacted her life?
05:47 I would have to say, in all honesty,
05:50 it would have been with the juveniles.
05:52 After ministering with the ladies
05:53 for about eight years, we received notice that
05:56 juveniles are also going to be here,
05:59 and some of them are going to be
06:00 sentenced as adults,
06:01 would you like to work with them as well?
06:03 In all honesty, the ministry to the juveniles
06:06 has impacted me far more than the ministry to the ladies.
06:10 How so?
06:11 Because when you're looking at young people
06:14 who are 13, 15, 17
06:18 and they are there and they are in red suits.
06:22 Usually, we are looking at the ones in the red suits.
06:24 You know that they are facing adult sentences.
06:27 They are facing life sentences in some cases.
06:31 You may read about it in the newspaper,
06:32 but it's one thing to read about in newspapers,
06:35 another thing to go in there and to see them,
06:38 to look into their eyes, look into their faces.
06:41 And you know that they are scared,
06:43 you know they are afraid because they are thinking
06:45 this is the beginning of the rest of my life.
06:48 This is all that I have to look forward to.
06:50 And so for me that was far more devastating
06:54 than the ladies.
06:55 A lot of the ladies were not being sentenced as adults,
06:57 okay.
06:59 And there are far more ladies I was dealing with,
07:00 so probably very few of those
07:02 would have been sentenced as adults.
07:04 The juveniles, because there are fewer of them,
07:06 more of them percentage wise were being sentence as adults,
07:12 receiving some types of adult sentences,
07:14 life, maybe 40 years,
07:17 and so I found that far more devastating
07:19 than when I dealt with the ladies.
07:22 Also, the juveniles,
07:23 some of them could not afford to bond out
07:25 or there was a no bond,
07:27 because of the type of crime they had been charged with.
07:30 And so with the-- the no bonds,
07:33 they were with me longer,
07:35 sometimes eight months, whole year, year and a half,
07:37 one was with me for an year and a half.
07:39 So I got to know them on a level
07:42 that I did not get to know some of the ladies.
07:44 And to be honest with you, I thought about my own life.
07:48 At the age of 13, 15, I was not behind bars.
07:54 That was something that was
07:55 totally foreign and alien to me,
07:57 to have to come and deal with young people of that age
08:00 and to have to try to impart hope
08:02 with the help of God,
08:03 because I had never had anything like that
08:05 to be concerned with at the age of 13.
08:07 Absolutely.
08:08 You don't even think about that.
08:11 I mean, that's not a part of your consciousness.
08:13 You know, when you were talking about
08:15 the look in the eyes of these young men,
08:18 I-- sometimes, I go with our
08:21 chief financial officer here, Brian Hamilton,
08:24 he has a heart for prison ministry
08:25 and sometimes...
08:26 Oh, he is just--
08:28 he and his wife, Diana are just--
08:30 they are just in the forefront of prison ministry here.
08:33 And so I sometimes go with them and sing for the inmates.
08:39 And I had to go to the juvenile facility here
08:44 in Illinois.
08:45 And, Cynthia, I'm telling you, I looked at these boys
08:48 and I just wanted to cry.
08:50 Because in their eyes-- I think, you know,
08:53 these could be my grandsons.
08:55 These are young boys, 15, 16, 17, 18,
08:58 they could be my grandson.
09:00 And I'm looking at their faces and I'm singing to them
09:04 and I'm feeling like I just, I just want to hug them.
09:08 And I know that some of them have done some heinous things.
09:12 Things that if they could take it back,
09:14 I'm sure they would, stupid decisions
09:16 that they made for whatever reason.
09:18 And some maybe are in there through,
09:21 you know, for no real fault of their own,
09:23 but they are there and the looks on their faces,
09:27 it just tears your heart apart.
09:29 So I know exactly what you're saying about
09:32 when you work with them.
09:33 And you have gotten to know some of them.
09:37 Have you found that the trend legally now
09:41 is more so than previously to put away black boys,
09:47 or do you feel that it's changing.
09:51 It's getting a little bit less of that?
09:53 Is it more or less,
09:54 because we have a mass incarceration issue,
09:57 as you know, that is disproportionate.
10:00 And so where do you think the trend is?
10:03 Well, first and foremost, the United States leads
10:06 all developed nations
10:08 in incarcerating individuals in this country.
10:11 So we have a mass incarceration issue period--
10:14 Period across the board transcending race, absolutely.
10:18 Yes.
10:19 But reality is, research has proven, has shown that
10:25 those who are minorities do tend to get sentenced.
10:29 Stiffer sentences, longer sentences
10:31 than those who are Caucasian, that is a true fact.
10:37 And I definitely saw
10:38 disproportion amount in my classes
10:41 as far as those who are African-American,
10:44 who were receiving the stiffer sentences
10:47 and even the life sentences.
10:50 So the trend now, of course there are advocates,
10:54 there are people who are working
10:56 to try to bring change to that.
10:59 And so the trend has not changed yet,
11:03 but we are there, the trend--
11:04 the research is showing that there is
11:07 a disproportionate sentencing.
11:09 And so there is-- there are attempts being made
11:11 and I am one of those individuals,
11:13 I'm trying to bring this information to the public,
11:17 to the American people.
11:18 So that we will not continue with business as usual,
11:21 but we will do our research, our due diligence,
11:24 we would get the facts
11:25 and that we will take our stand against this injustice.
11:30 Absolutely.
11:31 You know, when you think about the fact that,
11:34 you know, black guys are four times
11:37 as likely to get arrested, then--
11:41 or convicted for a crime, then, you know,
11:46 you have to say to yourself, okay,
11:48 what can I do to make a difference?
11:51 And you are doing things to make a difference.
11:55 And that's why I invited you to come,
11:58 because I did want to shine a light on the situation
12:02 and say, you know, as Adventist Christians,
12:07 regardless of our race,
12:09 you know, as Adventist Christians,
12:11 we should be out there saying, you know, this is wrong.
12:14 There's something wrong with this.
12:16 It's such big business, that is the thing that
12:20 that to me is so compelling.
12:23 Prisons are big business. Oh, yes.
12:26 So you've got a lot of people employed,
12:28 you know, in the prison system.
12:30 You've got, you know, all kinds of services
12:32 that are given, you know,
12:35 food services and things like that,
12:36 phone services.
12:37 All these things are for the prisons,
12:40 and I remember seeing something recently
12:43 that really caught my attention.
12:46 They said that there were several governors
12:48 who were given over $250 million
12:52 to build prisons in their states.
12:56 And there were two conditions, 20 years at least,
13:01 it had to be around for 20 years,
13:04 and 90% occupancy.
13:06 So what does that say?
13:08 We got to fill these prisons.
13:10 We got to keep them full so that we can get that money.
13:14 And that's where what you are doing
13:16 by shining a light on the system
13:20 and the inequities,
13:21 that's what I appreciate so much as a Christian.
13:25 You know, because I believe that
13:26 Jesus would have us to do that.
13:29 What activities are you involved in
13:32 to actually make a difference within the system?
13:36 Yes, and I do want to stress that in my class
13:38 that I have members of various groups,
13:43 various ethnic groups and so--
13:46 In your class, in the prison?
13:47 In the-- well, yes, in the-- with the local jail.
13:50 And so my focus is not on those who are African-American,
13:53 it's on all of them.
13:54 My concern is for all of them.
13:56 I treat them all as if they are the children of God,
13:59 as if they are all human beings.
14:01 Good.
14:02 And what we're trying to do,
14:03 the Supreme Court actually issued a ruling.
14:06 The Supreme Court of the United States of America
14:09 issued a ruling, it's Graham V. State of Florida,
14:12 it's a Florida state case.
14:15 A lot of people are not aware
14:16 but the majority of the young people
14:19 who are serving life sentences, who are teenagers,
14:22 are in the State of Florida.
14:25 Yes. Really?
14:26 And so the Supreme Court case is a Florida case.
14:31 And what the Supreme Court came back with, they said,
14:34 that it is cruel and unusual punishment
14:37 to give juveniles life without the possibility of parole.
14:43 And so right now what's happening is
14:45 that states like Florida, they're having to come back,
14:47 they're having to take a look at their statutes,
14:50 take a look at their criminal laws,
14:53 they are having to come into compliance,
14:55 or seek to come into compliance
14:57 to what the Supreme Court has stated.
14:59 Because when you're looking at it, the United States,
15:01 we generally state other countries that they are--
15:04 they victimize people
15:05 and that they torture them and things like that.
15:10 But the United States, to be honest--
15:11 if you look at what the Supreme Court has stated,
15:13 it's cruel and unusual punishment.
15:15 What we're doing in our country
15:16 is cruel and unusual punishment.
15:17 They have issued this ruling.
15:19 The juveniles, their brains are not developed
15:22 to think through situations and circumstances
15:26 the way our brains are,
15:28 which is why God put adults with children,
15:31 because they would need someone to help them,
15:34 to direct them.
15:35 And so the Supreme Court now
15:37 has a medical proof that their brains are not developed
15:40 the way ours are.
15:41 And that therefore, you cannot hold them
15:44 accountable the way that you do us.
15:46 Reality is, you cannot even, in certain states,
15:50 you cannot drive until you're certain age.
15:53 You cannot drink,
15:54 not that I'm gonna have a kid in drinking.
15:55 Right. Right.
15:56 But you see what I'm saying, these are adult things.
15:57 Even the vote, until you're certain age.
15:59 And yet we have individuals who are 13 and we're stating,
16:01 well, you're gonna serve life.
16:02 You're gonna serve life.
16:04 We're gonna treat you like an adult.
16:05 But you don't treat them like an adult
16:06 when they're trying to drive, when they're trying to work.
16:08 You know, they had to be of certain age.
16:10 And so Supreme Court has stated
16:12 that we have to take a look at what we're doing.
16:15 Reality is that this did-- these laws,
16:17 these stiff laws came as a result of
16:19 the fact that in the '80s
16:22 we had the crack wars and you had a lot of crime
16:24 and things of that nature
16:25 and so there was a backlash in society
16:28 and they were need to be.
16:29 I was out on the streets at that time working,
16:31 I'm in some of the projects
16:33 trying to help where there was crack,
16:34 trying to help
16:35 where people were being victimized and everything.
16:37 But what happened was we passed very stiff laws,
16:40 Florida was one of those states
16:41 and now things are not the way they were before.
16:45 And we have information we did not have at that time
16:48 about the juveniles and their brains
16:50 and it's really unjust when you consider that
16:52 they can't be rehabilitated.
16:54 A lot of them actually can be rehabilitated,
16:57 whereas maybe some older adults cannot.
16:59 And therefore we must give them an opportunity
17:02 to be rehabilitated and not just lock them away,
17:05 throw away the key.
17:06 Reality, God, what we're trying to do,
17:09 we have a movie we're trying to make.
17:10 It's called The Awakening.
17:11 And what God would have all human beings to know
17:14 is that even if you went down a road that God never intended,
17:18 that He still has a plan.
17:21 And a lot of times we don't realize,
17:22 we all make mistakes,
17:24 but then when it's not our mistake,
17:26 we're like, oh, no, there is no hope for you,
17:27 it's over, that was horrible what you did.
17:29 But I always tell to juveniles, look at Paul,
17:32 look at Paul, Paul helped to murder Steven,
17:35 he held the coats while they murdered Steven,
17:38 they stoned him to death,
17:39 a good Christian deacon, you know.
17:41 And Paul helped to run down Christians,
17:44 men, women, children, and they killed them,
17:46 did all kinds of things to them.
17:47 Paul was there.
17:48 He was silent that time, but guess what,
17:51 he then went on with the help of God
17:52 to become one of the greatest apostles to ever live
17:57 and greatest evangelists to ever live.
17:59 So I always tell them,
18:01 it doesn't matter where you are now,
18:03 it doesn't matter what they said
18:05 about you is true,
18:06 it doesn't even matter how horrible it was,
18:08 look at what God did for Paul in his life.
18:11 That's right.
18:13 It is-- on this program, all the time
18:17 I talk about the plan that God has for each individual,
18:21 what He has for you
18:23 is different from what He has for me,
18:24 which is different from the next person,
18:26 but there is always a plan. Yes.
18:29 We know that from Jeremiah 29:11,
18:31 we know that God has a plan
18:33 and that it is a plan to prosper you,
18:36 to give you a future and a hope.
18:39 And so what you're doing is
18:41 giving these children some hope.
18:43 And now you know, viewers,
18:46 that we are not saying that crime is okay,
18:50 we are not advocating crime, we are not justifying crime.
18:54 But we're saying that these young people
18:57 who have gotten involved in crime
18:59 have done so
19:01 without having the capability that we have as adults
19:06 to actually process consequences.
19:08 And so they kind of go through things in a way
19:12 that might be in an uninhibited way,
19:16 and an impulsive way, and they make these mistakes.
19:20 So are we justifying it?
19:22 No. No.
19:23 Are we saying that it's okay? No.
19:25 What we're saying though is that
19:28 there has to be a way to look at this
19:32 that gives them,
19:34 that gives them hope that they're not--
19:36 if you are 13 and you did something heinous at 13,
19:41 you truly did not have all that you needed,
19:45 like you mentally, like you would if you were 35.
19:48 True.
19:49 It's a different brain chemistry.
19:53 And so what you're doing is amazing.
19:56 How did you get into
19:59 getting involved in the prison system particularly?
20:02 I know you are involved in the justice system
20:05 as an attorney,
20:06 but to go into the prisons, how did that happen?
20:09 Well, as our church has a jail and prison ministry,
20:13 I am, currently,
20:15 I'm the prison ministry's director
20:17 and when we got started I was as well.
20:20 I've actually had several different ministries
20:23 I've been over in the church, you know,
20:24 you have to rotate and shuffle around
20:26 and help out where you can.
20:27 And so to be honest,
20:29 I am over the ministries in general,
20:33 I'm actually in the jail with the juveniles,
20:38 that's the one that I am actually involved in.
20:41 I left the ladies about eight years ago,
20:42 I am still over all the ones, even the ones with the men,
20:45 we have the men to men's group.
20:46 But I'm actually there
20:48 overseeing the one with the juveniles
20:50 and I'm actually, with the help of God
20:52 passing my baton as you will now,
20:55 because there are four ladies who are taking my place there
20:58 because I'm going to try to help
21:00 make this movie called The Awakening.
21:02 And let's talk about that.
21:03 Yes, which is the realization
21:06 that every human being is special,
21:09 every human being has a purpose,
21:12 every human being is unique.
21:14 God has given you from birth, unique genes, unique talents,
21:20 and skills that He has not given to someone else,
21:22 and even your life experiences.
21:24 I think a lot of people
21:26 if they would just take a moment
21:27 and think and look back, look over their lives,
21:31 they would see, with God's help
21:33 God directing their course and their path
21:36 even when we in our stubbornness
21:39 ventured off course,
21:41 we could see God pulling us back in,
21:43 riding us back in.
21:44 And I think if every human being--
21:46 and that's what The Awakening is about,
21:47 it's about, no matter your age,
21:49 no matter how old you are, how young you are,
21:51 God has a purpose even if you once knew it
21:54 and now because of circumstances
21:55 and situations have veered you,
21:57 you've gotten off path, life as we say has happened
22:00 and now you no longer are aware of what you're here for,
22:03 what you're doing, you're just spiraling out of control.
22:05 The message is for everyone, God has a purpose for you.
22:10 You were sent here to do something unique and special,
22:13 and if you do not do it,
22:15 it is going to be a detriment to society,
22:19 to this entire world if you do not realize
22:22 what your purpose is
22:23 and if you do not get in alignment with that.
22:25 That's right.
22:26 If you don't have a sense of your purpose,
22:29 that is just basic, that is key,
22:32 and there is a purpose for everybody.
22:34 A lot of people think, well,
22:36 I don't have any gift, I don't have--
22:38 No, God gave you, as you said, everybody has unique gifts,
22:42 it's like a big puzzle.
22:44 If the puzzle is missing a piece, it's incomplete.
22:49 If you are not walking in your divine destiny,
22:53 your piece of the puzzle is not in that puzzle.
22:56 We need for you to walk in that destiny
23:00 and you need to walk in that destiny
23:02 so you know what your purpose is.
23:05 When you know what your purpose is,
23:07 there is to me--
23:08 for me this is my-- dare to dream is my purpose,
23:12 this is why I was put on this planet
23:15 to do this work.
23:17 I believe that what you're doing,
23:18 you're doing things in media, too,
23:20 which is very interesting to see.
23:23 You are legal and doing things in media, doing this movie.
23:27 This is your purpose,
23:30 you're walking in your divine destiny.
23:32 This is why God has put you on this planet,
23:35 and once you know that,
23:37 there is nothing that is more fulfilling
23:40 than walking with God in the purpose that He,
23:44 in the destiny that He has for you.
23:46 And such a blessing, your Jabez productions,
23:50 tell us about that?
23:51 How did that come to be?
23:53 Well, basically after I had been an attorney
23:56 for about maybe eight or nine years,
23:58 and heavily involved in ministry,
24:00 I mean, as a child, you know,
24:02 I was, I mean, in my religion
24:03 you're supposed to be involved in the ministry,
24:04 so I've always been involved in the ministry
24:07 everywhere that I went.
24:09 And God started to show me, look,
24:11 these people need more than just you to be their attorney
24:16 or just you to be there in the jail.
24:18 There is a message I need for you to get,
24:21 impart to these people,
24:22 but to other people in the world.
24:24 And film, film is the way to do it.
24:27 And so I started the production company
24:29 and I have been trying to get,
24:31 I have some things I have done
24:33 as far as to the next generation
24:36 and that's one that we did
24:37 and we did one, The Conflict Zone
24:39 and dealing with conflict in your life,
24:41 well, amazing things God showed me about conflict.
24:44 Conflict is going to happen,
24:46 it's okay, but learn from it, grow from it.
24:48 So we've done a few shows for the internet, Youtube,
24:52 we've actually had one
24:54 with the Michelle Alexander mass incarceration.
24:57 We actually have that on television,
24:59 we had a panel discussion on television.
25:01 But God showed me that people, first and foremost,
25:04 they need to know who they are,
25:06 they need to know who's they are,
25:08 they need to know why they are on this earth.
25:10 Otherwise, they will feel like they do not want to live,
25:13 they will feel like they're gonna spiral,
25:16 there are certain situations we would not get in
25:19 if we knew who's we are,
25:22 there are certain things we would not do
25:23 if we realize who's we are.
25:25 And the young people at the jail,
25:26 they would tell me quite often,
25:29 why did God allow this to happen to us?
25:31 Why did He even allow us to come?
25:33 You tell me He knows everything,
25:34 why did He allow us to come here to this earth
25:36 knowing that we would be--
25:37 some of them are molested.
25:40 Research shows that a lot of people
25:41 in jail and prisons have been molested,
25:43 they have been beaten,
25:44 they have been tortured, abused.
25:46 Why did God allow these things to happen to us?
25:49 Why did He allow us to come here
25:50 if He knew they would happen?
25:51 And I would have to let them know,
25:53 God knows all things,
25:55 even those horrible things that have happened to you,
25:57 they are because of human choices,
25:59 not God willing those things,
26:02 but God can and He will use those things
26:05 that were painful, horrible,
26:07 humiliating for you in your life
26:10 and He will turn it around.
26:12 And He will make it into something beautiful.
26:14 This is just a season, hold on.
26:17 And that is the message that I try to take down to them.
26:20 How beautiful that is. That is so beautiful.
26:23 We have a website for you, we want to put it on the screen
26:26 so that our viewers can contact you,
26:29 can find out more about what you're doing
26:31 or how they can help or whatever.
26:32 So we'll put your information up on the screen,
26:36 the website up on the screen.
26:38 In 30 seconds,
26:42 where do you want your ministry to go?
26:47 We know God has a plan,
26:49 but where are you hoping that this ministry takes you?
26:53 Exactly where at the movie that we're trying to make
26:56 says that we should go.
26:58 It's called The Awakening.
27:00 Helping as many human beings as God can put before me
27:04 in my path to realize, to become awakened to the fact
27:09 that they are here for a purpose,
27:12 they are here for a reason,
27:14 and to start living out that purpose and that reason.
27:17 Forget the fact that you made mistakes,
27:19 it's okay to make mistakes.
27:21 Then learn and grow from your mistakes and go forth
27:24 and do what God has sent you here to do.
27:27 Absolutely.
27:29 Cynthia, this has been so wonderful.
27:32 I thank you so much for all that you're doing
27:34 for the cause of Christ.
27:35 You're going into the prisons
27:38 and working with those children that need some hope
27:42 and need to be shown that they are loved.
27:45 May God bless you as you continue to work for Him
27:47 and I pray that you will get all the support that you need.
27:51 Well, that's the end of our program for today.
27:54 Thank you so much for tuning in.
27:56 Join us next time 'cause, you know what,
27:58 it just wouldn't be the same without you.


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