Participants: Jason Bradley (Host), Yvonne Lewis (Host), Ivor Meyers, James Rafferty
Series Code: UBR
Program Code: UBR000176A
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00:01 Is the Book of Revelation a puzzle to you?
00:03 Well, stay tuned to meet some men that... 00:05 under the unction of the Holy Spirit 00:07 can connect the dots for you. 00:09 My name is Yvonne Lewis 00:10 and you're watching Urban Report. 00:35 Hello and welcome to Urban Report. 00:37 Our guests today are 00:38 Pastors James Rafferty and Ivor Myers, 00:42 Co-hosts of Dare to Dream's new prophecy program, 00:45 Salvation in Symbols and Signs. 00:48 Jason and I were both on the program 00:50 and we had a chance to talk to these great pastors. 00:53 Take a look. 00:57 It is so great to be on the Set 01:00 of Salvation in Symbols and Signs, 01:03 Jason and I are not only on the Set right now 01:06 but we are also on the program 01:09 and we can't wait for you to see it. 01:11 Jay, tell us about our guests... our Hosts. 01:14 Oh, we have... Pastor Ivor Myers 01:16 and we have Pastor James Rafferty 01:19 who are both very, very knowledgeable 01:22 in terms of Revelation and Prophecy 01:25 and all of that, we've been learning a lot... 01:28 a lot on that program. 01:30 One of the things that I love about this program, 01:34 is, it is so basic, like I spent... 01:38 I have spent years, you guys, just... like... 01:43 I've read Revelation... I've read it more than one time 01:45 and every time I read it, you know, 01:47 it's just like zig zag, it's never connected 01:52 but tell us what is your view of this program? 01:57 Let's start with Pastor Rafferty 01:59 because he's hosting the program and just... well... 02:03 you guys are kind of Co-hosting, 02:05 you look like our Primary Facilitator here, would you... 02:08 give us like an idea as to what this program is about. 02:11 Well, first of all, it's a lifelong dream 02:13 so, this program... we've talked about it for years actually 02:17 and it's actually now come to fruition 02:20 and we are just realizing something 02:22 that has been in the back of my mind... 02:25 and I think as I've talked to Ivor... in the back of his mind 02:27 concerning the book of Revelation... 02:29 a different approach... not different from 02:33 what it always has been and really should have been, 02:36 but different from the way we've approached it, 02:39 perhaps, regularly in our denominational history, 02:42 the focus of the book of Revelation, is Jesus. 02:45 Yvonne: Hmmm... 02:46 It's the revelation of Jesus Christ 02:48 and it is a love story, 02:51 and so, we have a completely different approach 02:54 we have the opportunity here to present the Book of Revelation 02:57 in a way that perhaps has not been presented 03:00 in the history of our church because 03:02 we're living in a time and an age, I believe, 03:05 where this book is coming alive as it never has before, 03:09 we're living in the time 03:11 where there have been predictions made to us, 03:14 personally, as a church, about this book... 03:17 a time when we will see forces 03:20 starting an action that cannot be repressed, 03:22 a time when we will have a better understanding 03:23 of the books of Revelation and Daniel 03:25 but will cause our characters to be impressed with... with... 03:28 with the beauty of Jesus Christ, 03:31 a time when we want to see these books 03:34 bringing together the entire Bible, 03:37 the book of Revelation is going to bring the Bible together 03:40 so that in the book of Revelation, 03:42 all the Bibles begin and end. Hmmm... Hmmm. 03:44 And that has been the basis for our approach. 03:46 So that when we look at symbols, 03:48 when we look at little phrases, 03:49 when we look at the story of Revelation 03:51 we're going back into the Bible and saying, 03:53 "Now how does this connect to the rest of the story?" 03:56 Now typically, where do you see people start with... 03:59 when they start talking about Revelation, 04:01 where do you see them start at? Is it Revelation chapter 13... 04:03 do they start with the beast and all that 04:06 but, what you're saying is true and we're starting with Jesus 04:12 which... and... it's been phrased as a love story 04:16 termed as a love story 04:18 which is a whole 'nother perspective because I mean... 04:22 the book of Revelation can be quite intimidating 04:26 Rafferty: Hmmm... hmmm... and scary... 04:28 Yes, yes... depending on how it's... 04:30 how it's depicted... but... yes... 04:31 but, this is a much lighter approach, 04:35 and its... I must say, it's been very, very interesting. 04:39 And it's an approach that's true to the Bible. 04:41 It has been a long time coming, I've wanted to do... 04:46 for Dare to Dream... a program like this on Revelation 04:51 for a long time and we talked about it, 04:54 you and Danny had talked about it, 04:55 because he told me that he had talked about it with you 04:58 "... and you should get James Rafferty to do a program" 05:01 and then we had Pastor Perg, Pastor Pergerson... 05:07 who was going to be a part of this program 05:10 and tell us what happened with Pastor Perg? 05:14 Pastor Perg and I met... 05:16 some people had been telling me 05:18 "You got to meet this guy, you got to meet this guy, 05:19 he's an evangelist 05:20 but he's just really on fire for the gospel 05:22 and he's bringing the gospels... " 05:23 when we think of evangelism, we think of Revelation... 05:25 Daniel and Revelation... 05:26 but he's really on fire for the gospel 05:27 he's bringing the gospel into his series... and I thought 05:29 "Well, that's my burden, and that's what I want... 05:31 I want to get the gospel into the book of Revelation, 05:33 it's there and I want to bring it out... " 05:34 so we met and we just hit it off, 05:36 I mean, I went and did some meetings 05:39 in an area where he was... 05:40 we were together doing this series of meetings 05:42 in this church... and we were like long-lost brothers 05:45 and it was very similar, I have to say to... 05:49 the first time that I met Ivor. 05:50 It was just like... we connected... 05:53 we were just in the same room, we were just in the same space 05:55 we were doing meetings together 05:57 and what he was saying... I was saying 05:58 and what I was saying... he was saying 05:59 and it was just... boom... natural... 06:01 so, then I thought, you know, 06:02 we had experimented at the ministry I work with, 06:06 Light Bearers Ministry 06:07 with kind of a table-type discussion 06:11 rather than a preaching-type discussion 06:14 and I thought, "Wow! Pastor Perg... 06:16 it would be good if we can work together," 06:18 so I brought up the name, we met together 06:20 at... was it GC... 06:23 last year... 2015... 06:25 and we started making plans for this, we were just like, 06:28 "Ah yes, finally, after years, this is going to happen 06:31 and we can have a few people sitting at the table 06:33 and we can just start discussing the Book of Revelation" 06:35 and unfortunately, Pastor Perg... 06:40 from that time that we met in July of 2015... until now... 06:44 was involved in an accident that took his life... 06:48 prematurely took his life. Hmmm... hmmm... 06:50 It was an airplane accident... 06:51 he was actually in the middle of planning 06:54 a series of meetings in Michigan 06:55 and he was also a pilot so he was flying his own Kit plane 07:00 and there were some issues that took place 07:04 as he was trying to land 07:06 and the plane exploded on landing and took his life 07:09 and I was devastated... I was just like, "Oh... " 07:12 and I thought primarily about him, 07:14 primarily about his family and secondarily about the program 07:18 and I thought, "Yeah, well, it's in God's hands... " 07:20 and that's where I just 07:24 left it... I think... we talked a little bit... 07:26 we were just... I just wanted to get over it, 07:28 I didn't want to think about this, 07:29 I just wanted to get over the loss and... 07:31 you know... the feeling of loss of a brother in Christ 07:35 but as things developed... another name came into my brain 07:39 and that name was Ivor Myers. 07:42 Yes and when we talked... I asked you, "Who?" 07:45 and you said, "Ivor Myers" and I thought, 07:48 "Wow! that's great," 07:50 and this is... the combination of you two... 07:54 is such a blessing. 07:55 My heart aches that Pastor Perg couldn't be a part of this too 08:00 but I'm thankful as well for you, Pastor Ivor, 08:04 I'm so glad that you are with us. 08:05 What have you been experiencing with this program? 08:08 Well, first I just want to mention something 08:10 about Pastor Pergerson, 08:11 and this is a connection that is really quite amazing 08:15 as you guys know that I was in the music industry 08:18 and doing hip hop... it was a four-man group... 08:22 and one of the guys in the group his name is Mondo McCann 08:25 and you know... best friends... 08:27 well, when we all came out of the group, 08:32 became Adventists and he moved to Richmond 08:37 and he... you know... 08:40 I was still in New York, 08:42 he was in Richmond, and we'd always dialogued... 08:45 talked about the Bible and stayed truly connected 08:47 and then... he got this other friend 08:51 whose name was Joel... Joel Pergerson... 08:54 and they started connecting really strongly 08:58 and I'm just like... "Hey, who's this Joel, man?" 08:59 James: Coming into my space... 09:02 Ivor: yes... he's coming into my space... 09:04 and Joel was just... so down to earth 09:07 and Joel and I immediately connected 09:09 well... I didn't know that Joel, I knew Joel had a brother 09:12 but I didn't actually meet that brother 09:14 until about five or six years ago, 09:15 through e-mail dialogue and that was his brother, Will, 09:19 and so, he and I were dialoguing a little bit 09:22 and talking about some things with "Righteousness by faith" 09:25 and so... I never met him in person... but the connection 09:28 from my best friend in the hip hop group 09:31 meeting his brother and then... us... 09:34 just sort of dialoguing, you know, just... 09:36 it's kind of amazing how the Lord brings things 09:39 you know, so, anyway, I was called 09:45 to participate in the program and I just thought to myself, 09:52 "Wow! that's...what an opportunity, 09:55 I didn't know if we were going to be on the same page 09:57 because when it comes to the book of Revelation... 09:59 James: Yeah, I was wondering what... 10:00 what is Ivor thinking? what is Ivor thinking... 10:04 are we going to be on the same page? 10:05 And I said, "Lets... why don't we... " 10:07 I said, "Why don't we get together and talk 10:10 a little bit over the phone and try to see 10:13 are we on the same page, 10:14 because that's going to be crucial, 10:16 you don't want to be on a program and be like... 10:20 "Well... actually James... if you look at... " 10:23 you know... Yvonne: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 10:25 James: It's a love story... Ivor: and so we began dialoguing 10:28 and almost everything... we found ourselves... 10:34 and it's interesting because I was just telling James 10:37 that I'd just been through the book of Revelation 10:39 several times but I decided about three months 10:42 before he called me to go through the book again 10:44 in a way that I had never gone through it before 10:47 and much of what we're presenting now, 10:49 much of the things that I am sharing 10:52 are things that I've never presented before 10:54 so when we connected, it was just... 10:56 when he contacted me, I was like... 10:58 "Wow Lord, were you preparing me for this?" 11:01 Because going through the book in a new way 11:04 and with a fresh insight... 11:05 and so, one of the things that we're 11:07 trying to accomplish on this program... 11:10 I know that I've been an Adventist now for 11:13 18 or 20 years now 11:16 and I've read almost every book on Revelation 11:19 that our Denomination has put out 11:22 and I've gleaned so much from those books 11:25 but the one thing that I've never gleaned 11:27 from any of these books is: how did you get that? 11:30 Hmmm... hmmm... hmmm... 11:32 how did you get that these seven churches represent 11:35 you know... I believe it, I see the history... but how? 11:39 And for me that was just a very important question 11:42 because I didn't want someone asking me, 11:45 "How did you get that?" 11:47 and not be able to tell them, 11:48 "Well, okay, this is how you get that. " 11:50 And so, for me, I had to get behind the "what" to the "why. " 11:56 Why... why these seven seals, 12:00 what are they trying to portray to? 12:01 I know the "what" but why? 12:03 And so this last time that I went through 12:06 the book of Revelation, I actually went through it, 12:08 not focusing so much on the "what" 12:10 but the "why... " the principles... 12:12 how do we come to these conclusions? 12:14 Why do we come to these conclusions, 12:16 are there laws that govern the book of Revelation 12:19 that if you understand those laws, 12:21 then every one of us should be coming to the same conclusion. 12:25 Because, you know, even within Adventism 12:26 you have different people coming in... 12:28 you know... different conclusions... 12:29 and we can't have different views about gravity. 12:33 Yvonne: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ivor: You know what I'm saying? 12:36 There's a law that dictates how gravity works 12:39 and so... the Law of Gravity... and so, gravity is truth 12:43 and truth is not plural, you know what I'm saying? 12:46 So, if there are laws that govern the book of Revelation, 12:51 then we really all should be coming to the same conclusion 12:55 based upon those laws. 12:56 And so that's kind of what we want to... 12:58 in this program, we're presenting more the "why" 13:03 and not just the "what. " 13:04 Yeah, the principles that bring us to the conclusions. 13:07 Absolutely, and that's for the sake of the student 13:10 so the student can know, 13:12 we're not just telling you what to believe, 13:13 but we're showing you why you should believe in it. 13:16 We also learn the "why" behind the different 13:19 denominations as well 13:20 because you're talking about not having 13:23 necessarily multiple interpretations 13:26 because there is one truth but we learn why 13:30 there are the different denominations 13:34 give us a quick breakdown of that. 13:37 So, we had shared in one of the studies that we did 13:42 that there are several different schools of prophecy 13:46 one is "Preterism" which puts everything in the past, 13:49 one is "Futurism" which puts everything in the future 13:52 then there's "Historicism" 13:54 which is the unfolding of prophecy throughout time. 13:58 And we saw that... one of the things that was 14:01 that was done during the... around 1500s and 1600s was 14:08 an intentional redirecting of the prophecies 14:12 that basically led to different schools 14:16 in other words, time was changing prophecies 14:19 to show, you know, 14:20 certain things that you believe about prophecy 14:22 that point to certain entities can't be true, 14:24 it was done in the past, it was done in the future, 14:26 those things threw off the interpretation 14:30 and understanding of Bible prophecy, 14:32 that's one reason why we have so many different teachings. 14:35 Another reason is that God was calling a reformation, 14:40 God was calling for a reformation 14:42 because of teachings that were not Biblical... 14:45 that were not found in the Bible and what happened is that 14:49 as the founders of these truths... 14:54 reestablishing these truths, 14:56 Martin Luther, Wesley, Wycliffe Huss... 15:00 the people who were following them, began to... 15:04 just kind of... settle down around that one truth, 15:07 "I'm of Martin Luther so we are Lutherans... " 15:10 or "I am... you know... 15:12 of the... Calvin... we are Calvinists" 15:14 and these men were never meant to be followed 15:18 what should have happened was these truths... 15:21 should have been brought together... 15:22 but people started crowding around the "figure head" 15:26 right... and this was where we got the formation 15:30 of all these different denominations. 15:32 Yeah, we saw that in the church in Sardis, 15:34 "I have not found your works perfect before God, 15:37 the morning star of the reformation comes out 15:40 in the church in Thyatira and it's Wycliffe, 15:43 and the Bible comes out... the Word of God comes out 15:46 and people are gifted like Jerome and Huss 15:48 and Martin Luther and Melanchthon and others 15:51 are gifted to search and discover these truths 15:54 and they themselves... 15:56 many of them didn't want the searching and 15:58 discovering of truth to stop with them 16:00 and for their names to become denominational 16:02 like the Lutheran Church but in the Church of Sardis, 16:06 Jesus says, the true witness says, 16:08 "I've not found your works perfect before God" 16:10 and the Bible says 16:12 that the path of the justice is a shining light 16:14 that shines more and more unto the perfect day 16:16 so that means, 16:17 "not my works being perfect before God" 16:19 means that these Reformers stopped, 16:21 they didn't continue on unto the perfect day 16:24 and so... out of that, God brought a Movement 16:26 called the Millerite Movement 16:27 and that Movement was made up of people 16:29 from all these different denominations and backgrounds 16:32 who came into this Movement 16:33 and brought with them the light of the Word of God 16:36 and the truth of the Word of God 16:37 that God had gifted these different Movements 16:39 but encouraged them to move on and that "moving on" 16:42 didn't stop with the disappointment of 1844 16:44 but became... blossomed into the Seventh-day Adventist Movement 16:48 the Seventh-day Adventist Church 16:50 and now God is encouraging us to move on 16:52 let's not be satisfied with interpreting 16:54 the Book of Revelation with the emphasis on the beast 16:56 and the Antichrist... let's move back now 16:58 to understand the full picture of Revelation 17:01 and in the Book of Revelation, all the Bible meets and ends 17:03 and it's a picture of the Bridegroom and the Bride 17:06 and the marriage and it's a love story 17:09 of a Bridegroom that beckons us, that redeems us, 17:16 that protects us, and that moves us on. 17:19 And an antagonist who is saying, 17:21 "Give me some time with your woman and I'll bet you... 17:25 that I can take her heart. " 17:26 Yvonne: Hmmm... 17:28 So that's the whole drama of the book. 17:30 Yvonne: Yeah. 17:31 Because I'm going to steal your woman. 17:33 Yeah, wow! and you know what's great about 17:35 this program to me is like... Jason and I represent 17:38 two different camps... 17:40 and Jason has just recently gotten baptized 17:43 and has come to the Lord and I don't... 17:45 have you ever read Revelation, Jay? 17:47 What's been your experience with Revelation? 17:50 I've looked at parts of it before 17:53 but I never really got deep into it 17:56 because I got discouraged because I'm reading 18:00 these horns and beasts and this and that... 18:03 and I'm like... what... what is this? 18:05 So it was discouraging, 18:08 so I never really got to dive deep into it 18:12 because it was just too much at the time. 18:15 We're changing that right now. 18:16 Yvonne: Yeah, oh yeah. 18:18 And what this program offers too is practical illustrations 18:21 and a good breakdown for each class... 18:25 for someone who has read it before 18:30 and then someone who hasn't really... got into it. 18:33 And that's also evident in the fact that we have 18:37 just finished chapter 5 and it has taken us 18 meetings 18:40 to get through chapter 5, we're not rushing through this, 18:44 we're not rushing through this. 18:45 We need to point out that when we talked 18:47 we said, "Okay, when we get to 3ABN, 18:49 by the 13th program, 18:51 we should be around Revelation chapter 11." 18:54 James: Yeah, half way through, we just tossed that 18:57 we said, "Man! let's not... no pressure... let's... 19:01 Yvonne: Right, we don't have an agenda 19:02 it just flows under the power of the Holy Spirit. 19:06 And we love the fact that you guys are on the Set with us 19:09 you are the people that help moderate this program 19:13 you pause us, you say, "Say that again," 19:15 you ask the questions... the right questions, 19:17 we get to pop quiz you... you know and... 19:20 "How much did they get out of that?" 19:21 "Do we need to go back and rehash that or recap that?" 19:23 Or... "Let's go back and recap that 19:25 because that was really significant" 19:26 and as we recap things... 19:28 we say it, again maybe in a different way 19:30 and then we pick up a whole tenor 19:32 of the way that God is communicating to us 19:34 in Revelation... and the way He's communicating is 19:36 He's repeating it and He's enlarging it 19:38 and repeating it and He's enlarging it... 19:40 He's laying layer after layer after layer after layer 19:43 of the same, beautiful story of Redemption. 19:45 I have a question for both of you. 19:47 When or what ignited the passion for you all 19:51 with prophecy and Revelation? 19:54 Well, for me... I can say that I had an interest 19:57 in prophecy before I ever took up a Bible 20:01 and gave my heart to Jesus personally and individually 20:04 I just had this curiosity, The Mark of the Beast, 666, 20:07 I think, I watched the same movies that Ivor watched 20:09 and when he mentioned it, I was like, "Yeah... " 20:11 and they were spooky scary... spooky scary 20:14 and what happened was 20:16 when I became a Christian first, 20:19 I was going to the Pentecostal Church, 20:20 Church of Calvary and then 20:22 my sister was involved with Adventism 20:23 she started telling me about stuff concerning the Sabbath, 20:27 for example, and different things, 20:28 diet things and I was just like, 20:29 "Whooo, my sister's going in the wrong direction, 20:32 I need to snatch her out of that" 20:33 so I started studying with these Adventists to get her out 20:36 and they were all into prophecy, I got into a Daniel Seminar 20:39 and I was like, I mean, I was totally like... 20:42 "Wow! Daniel 2... the history... 20:45 just lines up perfectly, I've got to understand prophecy" 20:49 and that's how I first got a hunger for it. 20:51 Yes, so, it's kind of the same story, 20:55 being intrigued as a child 20:57 because of watching certain movies 21:00 about a little boy who was the Antichrist and 21:04 discovered they're 13-years-old 21:06 and anyone who found out his identity, 21:08 died a crazy, painful death and so, I vowed I'd never 21:13 want to know what the Mark of the Beast is 21:15 and just... kind of that first peaked my interest 21:21 and I was like, "What in the world is that?" 21:22 And then, just different experiences 21:26 that I was introduced to... I had grown up in New York 21:33 hearing about a whole lot, 21:34 people preaching on the street corners saying... 21:37 "Oh, you know... do this... do that... " 21:39 and I was like, "That's crazy, that's crazy... 21:41 that's... that doesn't make sense" 21:42 so I was skeptical of all religions 21:46 and when I was introduced through a... 21:48 sounds like a random conversation 21:50 with a guy that I didn't know was an Adventist... 21:52 he began talking about the book of Daniel... 21:56 and as he was breaking down... this was one night... 22:00 you know, one night... 22:02 breaks down the book of Daniel chapter 7 22:05 and in that one night, it just... 22:09 everything flipped for me, everything... 22:12 because I liked history 22:14 and when he was giving me the history of Daniel 7 22:17 I was like... "I've heard this before... 22:19 this is in our school books in history" 22:22 and when I heard it... it was just like... 22:24 and from that night... everything changed, 22:28 I was... I would... like... give Bible studies 22:31 by the month after I learned this, 22:34 I would give Bible Studies, every Bible Study was Daniel 7, 22:37 because that's all I knew. 22:39 So the person would be like, 22:42 "All right, what are we going to study next?" 22:44 And I'd be like... "Um... well next week, 22:46 we'll look at Daniel 7 from a different perspective 22:49 because there is so much there... " 22:51 I didn't anything... anything else... 22:53 Daniel 7, so my first like... I don't know... 22:56 50 studies must have been on Daniel 7 22:58 and it just... once that grew 23:02 and I would gain... a little bit more insight... 23:04 "Well, I can add this to my Daniel 7 study... " 23:07 so today... I'm actually still adding stuff 23:09 to my Daniel 7 study. 23:11 It has just totally expanded now to include so much more. 23:14 And tell us what you're doing today. 23:15 So, I am... I have a couple of ministries, 23:19 number one is: Power of the Lamb Ministry 23:22 which was actually... I started because of 3ABN 23:28 you guys actually called me probably... 16 years ago 23:36 and... to give my testimony... 23:38 and it was that that basically 23:42 kick-started Power of the Lamb Ministries 23:44 so that's been our longest ministry 23:45 we now also have ARME Ministries 23:47 which is a ministry that teaches people how to study the Bible. 23:50 The "why" of Bible Study and I'm also pastoring 23:54 in Campbell, California, 23:56 at the Campbell Seventh-day Adventist Church 23:58 I've been there for about a year now 24:00 and the Lord is doing some really powerful things there 24:04 so, yeah, that's... my wife is not here with me 24:07 but she's usually with me on all my 3ABN adventures, 24:11 she's Atonte... she's at home... my kids are... 4 children... 24:14 and yeah... so the Lord has blessed me 24:18 in many different ways. 24:19 Amen, amen, what about you Pastor James? 24:21 Well, I'm pastoring also now part-time... 24:24 I've been doing it for about a year in the Oregon Conference 24:27 I'm part time because I work full time 24:29 for Light Bearers Ministries 24:30 and Light Bearers Ministries had a lot of interaction 24:33 with 3ABN over the years, 24:34 we have a full-time publishing ministry, 24:37 and we also do a lot of programs on 3ABN, 24:39 we've done: Closer Look, Christian Concern, 24:41 Books of the Book, Lift Him Up 24:43 and then we do our own program called: Table Talk 24:45 which is something we produce at Light Bearers 24:48 and then it comes here 24:49 and then recently I was dared to be on: Dare to Dream. 24:54 I have some connection there in my roots, 24:59 my father was African American 25:00 and a lot of people don't know that 25:03 because I don't look like Obama... 25:06 I didn't take that... but it's there 25:09 I can take you out on the basketball court 25:13 but... so... that challenge, I mean... 25:17 Danny talked about it and then we talked about it 25:18 and I said, "Yeah, I'd love to do that. " 25:22 My burden, of course, is for prophecy 25:24 but in the context of that, I recognize 25:28 that we are a family... the human family... 25:31 and God is calling us to reach out 25:35 and to reconnect the entire human family together 25:38 and so I really appreciate the opportunity to be 25:40 on this part of the 3ABN program 25:44 and to recognize that God has called us... 25:47 to just... to just... open up the Word of God 25:50 and just share the Word of God, 25:51 it's just such a privilege I've been so blessed. 25:54 Yes, we are so blessed to have both of you, really, 25:57 I mean... this is... this to me is just... 26:00 getting into the Word and in this way... 26:03 in the way that we've been getting into it, 26:05 to me... it's just... 26:06 it's so superior to anything else that I've seen 26:10 because we don't have an agenda, it's not intimidating... 26:15 for so many people, Revelation is intimidating 26:18 because you don't understand it, 26:20 you just read a whole bunch of things 26:21 and it's just like... whatever... 26:22 I'm just not getting it 26:24 but with this program, you help us to connect the dots 26:28 in a way that is not threatening 26:32 so we are really, really grateful to you for that. 26:36 Ivor: Praise God. 26:37 We are grateful to be able to be a part of the program, yeah. 26:40 It's a different approach. James: It is. 26:43 Yvonne: Are you happy with it Jay? 26:44 Very, very, I feel like I'm going to learn Revelation 26:49 and by the time you guys come back, 26:50 I will be a scholar. 26:52 James: Exactly, that's right, 26:54 and you got to help us to go further too. 26:56 Jason: Don't hold me to that. 26:59 So, we're going to continue to 27:01 let people know about this program. 27:05 Viewer, if you're watching this program, right now, 27:09 which obviously you are... 27:11 or you wouldn't be hearing me 27:12 you need to tune in to: Salvation in Symbols and Signs 27:17 you will be so blessed because 27:19 it's a whole new way to approach Revelation. 27:22 Give it a try, thank you, God bless. 27:28 Those brothers really know 27:31 how to break down the Book of Revelation. 27:34 It's so much clearer to me now. 27:36 For a long time, I had trouble grasping it 27:40 but the more we talked about it and as you watch these programs, 27:44 you'll see, the more God will reveal to you 27:47 so make sure that you check the schedule 27:50 for: Salvation in Symbols and Signs. 27:53 Make sure that you watch it because if you've had trouble 27:56 like I had trouble, 27:57 you're going to want to know just how to do it. 28:00 Well, our time is up, we thank you for joining us 28:03 and tune in next time 28:04 because it just wouldn't be the same without you. |
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