Participants: Yvonne Lewis (Host), Dr. Eddie Glaude
Series Code: UBR
Program Code: UBR000186A
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00:01 Why is there so much racial tension in America today?
00:04 Stay tuned for some valuable insight from my guest. 00:08 My name is Yvonne Lewis 00:10 and you're watching Urban Report. 00:35 Hello and welcome to Urban Report. 00:38 My guest today is Dr. Eddie Glaude Jr. 00:41 Dr. Glaude is the Chair of the Department 00:43 of African American Studies 00:45 and the William S. Tod 00:46 Professor of Religion and African American Studies 00:49 at Princeton University. 00:51 He's the recipient of numerous awards including the 00:54 Carl A. Fields Award 00:55 and was a Visiting Scholar in African-American studies 00:59 at Harvard University and Amherst College. 01:02 He's been a guest on numerous TV Shows 01:05 including the Tavis Smiley Show, 01:08 Fox TV's Hannity and Colmes Show, 01:11 Good Morning Joe, CNN, C- SPAN and more 01:14 and he is the Author of several books 01:17 the most recent of which is 01:19 "Democracy in America: 01:20 How Race Still Enslaves the American Soul. " 01:24 Welcome to Urban Report Dr. Glaude. 01:26 It's a pleasure to be here with you. 01:29 Yeah... you know, I've seen you... 01:32 I was so excited... 01:34 I was watching Good Morning Joe one morning and 01:37 you were on and I had already started reading your book 01:40 and I was just so happy to see you there 01:43 and to hear the insight that you share 01:46 because we are really in a very... 01:49 really strange place in terms of race relations here. 01:55 What is going on in America right now with racial tension, 02:00 what would you say is... like... 02:02 are the primary factors involved in that? 02:05 Well, I think it's... it has a lot to do with... 02:07 with the economic insecurity that folks are feeling. 02:11 When we think about what happened in 2007 and 2008 02:14 with the great recession, 02:16 folks lost much of the hard work that they put in. 02:21 You think about African American Communities... 02:23 over 240,000 homes lost in black America, 02:27 you see 38 percent of black children growing up in poverty, 02:33 but not only in the black community 02:35 but in the white community, 02:36 you see folks losing their homes, 02:38 you see folks who... 02:39 their homes are no longer... they're under water... 02:41 they're not valued as much as they thought it... 02:43 as they once thought they were, 02:45 you see that they can't afford college... to pay for college 02:48 because college expenses have sky rocketed, 02:50 you see that they're working harder, 02:52 working longer for less, 02:53 and so, you see, all of this sense... 02:56 you see all of this tension 02:57 rooted in the sense of deep economic insecurity 03:00 and the history of the Country is that... 03:02 usually when that happens, 03:03 people are looking for folk to blame, right? 03:07 "The reason why I'm not making what I used to make 03:11 is because we're giving my money to people who are undeserving. " 03:14 "The reason why my house isn't worth as much... " 03:17 or "I can't afford to send my kid to college 03:20 is because they're giving the seat to someone else 03:22 who doesn't deserve it all. " 03:23 "These undocumented workers... these lazy black folk... " 03:26 and so you see folks scapegoating 03:28 as they try to make sense... 03:29 as they try to make sense 03:31 of the fact that they're losing ground, 03:32 and we see all of these studies out here Dr. Lewis, 03:35 folks... you know white women dying early, 03:38 white men with high school degrees 03:41 suffering from opiate abuse and suicide rates are increasing 03:46 why is it? Because there's darkness 03:48 throughout the land because the greed... 03:49 the top one-tenth percent... the top one percent... 03:53 taking all the gains while the 99 percent are suffering... 03:56 You know, that's really interesting, 03:59 the whole idea of the need for a scapegoat... 04:03 the whole idea for the need for answers 04:07 as to why the economic instability is happening 04:11 so that makes a lot of sense to me 04:13 that... you got to have somewhere to put this 04:17 and so, you're going to put it on the perceived... 04:20 the perceived problems or problem areas 04:26 that you've kind of nurtured through the years 04:29 so you're... it's all about perception isn't it? 04:33 It's interesting to me Doc that there is this perception 04:38 of blacks... that kind of permeates the media 04:42 because even though you might have 04:43 the person in charge that's black in the media, 04:46 you still have the criminals that are black, 04:49 you still have the prostitutes 04:51 that are mostly black, 04:53 you still... so you have this dichotomy going on 04:57 and we have this perception of blacks in Society 05:01 that we just are takers, 05:03 we just want Government handouts, 05:05 we don't want to work, where is that coming from? 05:09 Where does that come from 05:11 because it drives me a little nuts, 05:12 where does that come from? 05:13 It has a long history, it has a long history 05:15 going all the way back to the days of slavery. 05:17 When you think about how... 05:19 how the system of slavery was justified 05:22 right... that in some ways 05:24 these people lack the capacity... the mental capacity 05:27 to take on the burdens of citizenship, 05:30 that in fact... they needed to be enslaved... 05:33 because they were being introduced... 05:35 we were being introduced to civilization, 05:37 that the benevolent or paternal slave master... 05:40 offered the slave... right... the resources 05:44 the means by which to understand themselves 05:47 in more human terms, 05:48 right, even, they had diseases 05:51 that they would attribute to black folk 05:53 if you wanted to run away, they called it "Drapetomania" 05:56 right... a disease for wanting freedom 05:58 right, and then when you think about 06:00 even post emancipation, 06:02 the idea that African Americans didn't want to work, 06:07 that we were lazy, that we were "criminogenic" 06:10 inclined to criminal behavior, that we were sexual predators 06:14 or that we were loose in our morals, 06:16 all of this was a part of a broader language, 06:20 a part of a broader discourse 06:22 to justify the treatment of black folk 06:25 as second-class citizens, 06:26 so in the book I say that at the heart of this Country, 06:29 at the heart of this Country has been... 06:31 what I call "the value gap" 06:33 and the value gap is the fundamental belief 06:36 that white people matter more than others 06:38 and that belief is not just simply about 06:41 loud racists... that belief isn't simply about 06:44 people running around yelling the "N" word, 06:46 right... it's evidenced in our social practices, 06:50 in the way we talk, in the way we see 06:52 in the way we interact with each other, 06:54 it's evidenced in our political realities, 06:56 in our economic arrangements so that... 06:59 you get this language... this discourse, 07:02 right... that black folk don't... 07:04 I'm from the south, I'm from Mississippi, 07:06 that black folk don't work for nothing, 07:08 that we don't want to work hard, 07:10 that we just want handouts, that we are dependent, 07:13 that we are victim mongers, right? 07:15 we're training in victimization and none of that... 07:18 none of that... bears any resemblance to any truth, 07:22 the data shows it very clearly. 07:24 And you know, I think, it's important to... 07:29 to say that that the data contradicts that 07:32 because... again it's perception and you know... 07:35 this is not about... I look at it like this Doc 07:39 and you tell me if you agree or disagree. 07:41 I think we have internal issues within the black community 07:45 and we have external issues, 07:47 we have institutionalized racism 07:50 which a lot of people will deny 07:52 and so, today... like... some people might get offended, 07:56 whites and blacks because... to me... 07:58 we're having a little, honest discussion here 08:01 about why things are the way they are. 08:04 I look at the black family 08:08 and one of the things that we're trying to do here 08:10 at Dare to Dream is to support relationships, 08:12 to support the family with programming that does that, 08:16 so, you know, we realize we have internal issues 08:21 and we also have external issues 08:24 and I think a lot of people may think 08:26 that we have a black President, 08:27 so because we have a black President now, 08:30 racism is gone in this Country and it is not... 08:34 would you speak to that, like, how there is this... 08:38 this perception that we're no longer, 08:41 we no longer have race problems in this Country, 08:44 we really do, would you speak to that? 08:46 Well sure, I think, part of that... 08:48 part of that conclusion is actually rooted in trying to 08:52 place the blame of the condition of poor black folk... 08:55 of the condition of poor black communities 08:58 to try to place the blame 08:59 squarely on the shoulders of black folk 09:01 as if we didn't have a history of a duel labor market 09:04 which track people to certain jobs... 09:07 as if we haven't had a history 09:08 of deeply and profoundly segregated schools 09:11 which did not commit themselves to educating black children 09:15 and giving them... and offering them opportunities 09:17 out in the work place, 09:20 as if we haven't had a dual housing market 09:22 that the wealth gap is, 09:24 because black folk aren't working hard 09:26 as opposed to structural reality that prevents them... 09:28 and prevented them from acquiring wealth. 09:31 So all this is really about placing blame 09:34 squarely on our shoulders, now let's be very clear, 09:37 they're absolutely right, 09:38 I mean, African Americans are human... 09:40 so we have knuckle-heads in our Community, 09:42 we have people making bad choices, 09:45 Yvonne: Absolutely. 09:46 We have people making bad choices 09:47 but you have people making bad choices in white communities, 09:50 in Latino communities, in Asian communities, 09:51 but people are not accounting for the circumstances 09:55 of those communities by way of those bad choices, right? 09:59 So... so, part of what I'm suggesting here 10:02 is that we have to try to delve more deeply 10:05 into why folk want to say 10:08 that the reason why black communities are suffering... 10:12 many of them, principally... it's because 10:15 of bad choices on the part of black people, 10:20 as opposed to a history... an enduring history 10:24 of racism in this Country... 10:26 an enduring legacy of racist practices 10:30 rooted in the value gap and rooted in racial habits, 10:33 let me give you an example really quickly. 10:34 Yvonne: Yeah, please. 10:36 I tell my students all the time, we learn race... right? 10:39 Just by simply moving about space, in the United States, 10:42 right here in Princeton, that's all you need to do is 10:46 drive down 206... Route 206 10:48 or walk down Witherspoon Street... 10:51 and you learn "race," 10:52 you learn the difference of what it means to be 10:55 near the University 10:57 and what it means to live down where the Latino Community lives 11:00 or where the African American Community lives, 11:03 you see the differences of resources 11:05 and I tell the story of... 11:06 my dad was the second African American 11:08 hired in the Post Office... 11:10 at the Post Office in Pascagoula, Mississippi... 11:13 and we moved from one side of town to the other, 11:15 we moved into this big house on the hill, 11:17 a nice two-story house on the hill 11:19 because Post Office back then 11:20 was "high cotton" as we called it, 11:22 and as we were moving in, 11:24 I'm playing with my Tonka truck outside 11:27 and I hear the neighbor yell at his son 11:29 to stop playing with that "N" word, 11:31 I grab my Tonka truck and I run inside 11:34 and that's the story we typically tell of racism, 11:38 family gets... achieves the American dream, 11:42 gets a big house on the hill and then some child gets wounded 11:45 right, by being called that word, 11:48 that child has to spend the rest of his or her life 11:50 saying that she's nothing 11:51 but actually... I had already learned that difference, 11:56 because in our old neighborhood, when it rained, it flooded, 11:59 because the pipes were bad, the sidewalks weren't paved, 12:02 the houses were smaller, the schools weren't as good, 12:06 so we learned the habits of race, right? 12:09 in the very spatial environment 12:11 and that has nothing to do with whether or not we are 12:13 being responsible or making bad choices and... 12:15 it's just the way the Country is organized. 12:18 Yvonne: Hmmm... and I think... 12:20 and I think that... that's really a good point, 12:23 I think that so often... unless you're actually living 12:27 within that kind of construct, you don't realize it, 12:31 it's not a part of your reality, 12:34 so if it's not a part of your reality, 12:37 there's this... there's this ignorance out there 12:42 because it's not your reality, 12:45 so we have two different realities going, 12:49 and it's interesting to me that 12:53 many times, you know, you can be... 12:57 you can see it on the news maybe, 13:00 but it's still not your daily life 13:03 so you can kind of push it aside because it's not you... 13:05 I am so concerned about our young people, 13:09 I'm so concerned about the illiteracy... 13:12 the literacy or lack thereof, rate in our communities, 13:17 our children aren't reading, 13:18 where the schools are sub-standard, 13:20 I mean, all of these things and that is our reality, 13:25 I think that watching what's been happening 13:29 with police... across America, you know, 13:32 there have been these different discussions, 13:35 we have a black lens and a white lens 13:38 and people see through their lenses 13:41 and I think... when you talk about that value gap, 13:45 it is so important that we re-examine that 13:50 because until we... 13:52 and I want you to unpack that for us a little bit more, 13:54 until we do that, 13:56 we're going to keep seeing through these two lenses 14:00 and they're not going to come together 14:02 and we really want them to come together 14:04 so we can... get past this, 14:06 what would you say about that value gap, 14:08 unpack that some more for us. 14:10 Yes, you know we talked about the achievement gap, 14:12 you know, we talk about the wealth gap, 14:14 we even talk in social psychological terms 14:17 of the "empathy gap" but at the heart of it is 14:20 the value gap and if we have a society that's built 14:23 on the belief that white people matter more than others, 14:26 then no matter what the inputs are, 14:28 no matter what the inputs are, the outputs will be the same, 14:32 so think about it, 14:33 John Adams, at the moment of the revolution, 14:35 the articulation of the American principles 14:38 of freedom, liberty and equality, 14:39 at that moment, he says to King George, 14:41 "We will not be your negroes" 14:43 so at the very moment in which he is giving voice 14:46 to an idea of freedom, 14:47 it's based on an intimate understanding of un-freedom 14:50 so here we say, 14:52 we're committed to the principles of freedom, 14:54 equality and liberty 14:55 but we're reconciling with the institution of slavery, 14:57 that's the value gap. 14:59 In the context of the civil war, 15:01 we go to war over the issue of slavery, 15:03 people will talk about it, 15:04 as States' rights and all of that stuff 15:06 but we know what was at the core of the civil war 15:09 and then we have radical reconstruction, 15:12 an opportunity to really fundamentally build 15:14 a multi-racial democracy and what do we get in response? 15:18 We get convict leasing... 15:19 convict leasing... where African Americans are 15:22 arrested for vagrancy law for just wandering... 15:26 as they were trying to find their families 15:27 in cities like Birmingham 15:29 were built on the backs of convict labor, 15:32 people unjustly convicted and that wasn't made illegal 15:36 until the 1940s... the value gap. 15:40 In the 1960s, the Civil Rights Movement 15:42 here you have just everyday ordinary people 15:44 putting forward a moral call 15:46 for the Nation to live up to its principles 15:48 so that black folk can live in this Country 15:51 with dignity and standing as first-class citizens 15:53 and what do we get in response? 15:55 We get calls for law and order, 15:57 we get the tax reform in California 16:00 and by 1980, just 12 years after 16:03 the last piece of major legislation was passed... 16:06 the Fair Housing Act in 1968. 16:08 We get the election of Ronald Reagan 16:10 who tries to undo it all just 12 years later. 16:12 Then think about it, well... that's the value gap, 16:15 we elect President Obama, 16:17 everybody says that we're making the turn, 16:19 we've finally entered this post-racial Society 16:22 and then what do we get? 16:23 We get the vitriol of the Tea Party, 16:25 we get an attack on the Voting Rights Act. 16:28 That's a re-assertion of the value gap 16:31 so I'm not suggesting that today is the same as 1960 16:36 which is the same as 1860, 16:38 each of these moments represents progress, 16:41 but underneath all of it, is the belief that some people, 16:47 because of the color of their skin 16:48 are valued more than others 16:50 and that's why so many of our fellow Americans, 16:54 so many people who we love as children of God, 16:57 so many people are okay... 17:00 are okay with watching parents bury their babies 17:03 who've been killed at the hands of the police, 17:07 watching Municipalities close their school... 17:10 you know... close their budgets... 17:12 balance their budgets on the backs of school districts 17:16 in black and brown communities, 17:17 they're okay with us jailing over 2 million people, 17:22 the majority of whom are black and brown, 17:25 right... and so, I want to suggest 17:28 that the value gap is not about loud races, 17:32 that's too easy, it's about us... 17:34 it's about all of us 17:36 allowing ourselves to live in a world 17:38 where all of this can happen. 17:40 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 17:41 Eddie: That's what I mean. 17:42 That's rich... that's rich... 17:44 so what role do you think the church has 17:47 in helping to... to close this gap? 17:51 How can we make a difference, black and white together, 17:54 how can we make a difference? 17:55 Yeah, it seems to me that the church has to be a church 17:59 that stands on the revolutionary ministry of Jesus, 18:03 you know, Jesus wasn't put on a cross 18:06 because He was cozy with the Romans, 18:09 right? He wasn't... 18:12 He wasn't putting forward a view that was 18:17 comfortable for the status quo, 18:19 you see, so if Jesus... 18:22 if we have a Matthew 25-centered gospel, 18:26 right, well you have a church 18:28 that's not so much interested in your W-2, 18:31 where you're sowing a seed to prove that God has blessed you, 18:35 right, but if you have a church that's really concerned with 18:39 mind, body and spirit, 18:41 then we would have a church 18:43 that wouldn't be so adjusted, in my view, to injustice. 18:47 Hmmm... so you think the church too 18:51 has been adjusted to injustice. 18:55 Complicit... we're complicit... 18:57 see, you can't... in my mind... 19:00 and you know this might sound a bit radical 19:04 but to my mind, it's easy to run around 19:07 and say that you're saved, 19:09 you can be a kind of "Christianly peacock... " 19:11 showing your feathers... 19:13 Yvonne: Ah ha... 19:14 but what does it mean 19:17 to actually bear witness to the gospel, 19:19 right, that means you have to challenge the money-changers, 19:23 that means you have to provide the conditions under which 19:27 those who are suffering, who can't eat... 19:30 who can't put food on the table, 19:31 who can't put a roof over their house... 19:33 who are trying to struggle, 19:34 to make sure that their children can not only dream dreams 19:37 but make those dreams a reality, 19:39 right, to enact the gospel in real terms, 19:42 in real concrete terms, right? 19:46 But so often... it seems to me... 19:49 that folk are... 19:52 how can I put this... 19:54 they're more interested in kind of 19:55 performance of the gospel. 19:59 They act a lot like Pharisees, if you know what I mean. 20:03 Ah ha... ah ha... gospel performers... 20:06 Exactly... so I want a radical church, 20:09 I want a black church in particular 20:12 that is grounded... not just simply on the cross, 20:15 but the cross was evidenced in that lynching tree, 20:18 Jesus is evidenced in... in... in... 20:21 in the souls who are locked up in all of these prisons, right, 20:26 evidenced in the body of Mike Brown... 20:28 in the body of Sandra Bland, right... 20:31 evidenced in these children who can't read 20:33 because schools are failing them day in and day out, 20:35 who can't imagine, right... 20:37 living a life better than their mothers and fathers, 20:41 if you're going to really bear witness, 20:44 right... to the love and compassion and mercy of God, 20:48 right... evidence to the sacrifice of your Son for us, 20:52 you got to do more than just simply claim and proclaim 20:56 that you're saved, that's too easy, 20:58 does that make sense? 21:02 Yes, yes, yes, you're preaching, you're preaching now... 21:05 Eddie: That's too easy to me... 21:07 Yvonne: But it's true... it's true... 21:08 it's not just about an intellectual assent 21:11 to all of this, it is about backing it up 21:14 with some kind of action 21:16 by not just accepting 21:18 the situation as it is 21:21 because the first thing you have to do is 21:22 kind of see the situation for what it is 21:25 and I think, again, internally 21:28 we have to... we have to make certain choices, 21:31 we have to take responsibility for certain things 21:33 and externally, you know... 21:35 we have to see that there are situations 21:39 that have to be corrected institutionally 21:42 and so, by doing this, I think, we can come together 21:46 and make a difference because it's not... 21:49 and I want to make this clear, this is not about 21:52 you know... saying, "White people are bad and... " 21:55 Eddie: No... not at all. Yvonne: This is not that... 21:57 this is saying that... that structurally... 22:00 we have had a problem in America 22:03 for hundreds of years that this problem... 22:07 this value gap has to be closed, 22:10 it has to be closed. 22:12 Cornel West is a good friend of mine 22:14 that many people know about... 22:16 Cornel West jumped into a pool when he was a young kid 22:19 in Sacramento, California, all the people... 22:21 all the white kids jumped out and they emptied the pool, 22:24 right in front of him, 22:25 my colleague, Albert Raboteau, who wrote a wonderful book 22:28 entitled "Slave Religion" which is the foundation 22:31 of African American religious history as a field... 22:33 he didn't grow up with his father 22:35 because a Mississippi Store Owner 22:37 blew his father's brains out because he dared speak to him 22:40 because he thought he disrespected his wife, 22:42 this isn't 1840... this isn't 1903... 22:47 these are the 1950s and '60s... right... and so... 22:52 we believe... like I said... 22:54 the last major piece of legislation 22:57 passed in the Great Society was 1968... 22:59 the Fair Housing Act... 23:01 which they never, never implemented... 23:03 just 12 years later, 23:05 there was the election of Ronald Reagan 23:07 and a systematic attack on the Great Society. 23:10 So you want to suggest to me that between 1964 and 1965... 23:15 that's the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, 23:17 and now... it's at '68... 12, 15, 12... years later... 23:21 that suddenly we resolved centuries of America's race... 23:25 of course not... and let's be very clear, 23:28 the value gap doesn't require white people 23:31 in order to be sustained, all of us... 23:33 are habituated in... 23:35 all of us are reproducing... 23:37 this is the example I use, 23:39 I don't consider myself a climate-changer denier... 23:42 I think the world is warming, right, 23:44 but if you look at how I live... 23:47 and the choices I make... it would seem that I am... 23:50 you look at my car... you look at my house... 23:54 you look at my light bulbs, you look... 23:56 the choices that I'm making day in and day out, 23:59 suggest that I don't believe that the world is warming. 24:03 But I wouldn't say that I'm a climate change denier... 24:06 so people can say, "I'm not a racist... " 24:09 but when they're making choices 24:11 about where they send their kids to school, 24:13 when they're making choices about where they live, 24:16 when they're making choices about what they vote for, 24:19 how they understand work, how they... 24:22 we're making choices day in and day out 24:24 that reproduce the value gap, 24:26 it's not because we're bad people... 24:31 it's because this is the vibe... 24:32 this is the place we've been socialized in 24:36 and I want to say this to Christians real quick... 24:38 there's this wonderful... 24:39 there's this extraordinary moment at Pentecost in Acts... 24:43 and folks are looking and they say, 24:45 "They must be drunk... " 24:47 because they're trying to figure out 24:50 something is different about them. 24:52 Yvonne: Right. 24:53 The way they inhabit space and time, 24:56 something is different about them 24:59 and the question that Christians need to be asking 25:03 is that... are people thinking that we're drunk? 25:06 Yvonne: Come on now... 25:07 Because it seems to me that we're so much... 25:10 we're just like everybody else. 25:12 So, how are we different from the world then 25:17 if we're not making a difference? 25:19 Exactly... that's the question, 25:21 that's the question I think every pastor 25:25 needs to be asking him or herself. 25:27 That's the question that every person in the pews 25:30 should be asking him or herself, right... 25:33 what difference am I making in the world by bearing witness 25:38 to the sacrifice of Jesus, right... 25:41 on my behalf... right... 25:43 and if the church is not making a difference 25:46 in the day-to-day lives of people 25:48 in the communities that they reside in, 25:51 if the church is so... how can I put this? 25:54 It seems to me that churches 25:56 are more interested in strategies like Wal-Mart 25:59 and Home Depot, 26:00 I'm going to buy a big piece of land out in the suburbs 26:04 and I'm going to build this huge complex 26:06 and dat... dat... dat... sounds like a Wal-Mart strategy, 26:10 a big box strategy, right... 26:12 what are you doing for all of these people 26:15 who are coming out of prison? 26:17 What are you doing for all these people who've lost their homes? 26:20 What are you doing for all of these people 26:22 who are having to make a decision 26:23 of putting food on the table 26:25 or keeping a roof over their heads? 26:27 How are you addressing the least of these? 26:30 How are you addressing the least of these...? 26:33 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... 26:34 That has nothing to do... 26:36 that has nothing to do 26:37 with whether or not somebody is racist, 26:40 somebody is lazy, 26:41 it's called bearing witness to the gospel 26:43 that you supposedly are committed to. 26:45 Dr. Glaude, that is so rich, you know what? 26:49 you have got to come back again, 26:52 in fact, I really wish you'd come and see us here 26:54 but if you can't... 26:56 if I can just get you on Skype again, 26:57 I want to do that because there's so much... 26:59 I didn't even go through your journey, 27:02 I want to go through your journey, 27:04 I want to find out more about you, 27:06 we didn't even get to all that... 27:07 there's so much more, will you come back? 27:10 Absolutely, absolutely... 27:12 Oh that would be great because there's so much more 27:14 do you have a closing thought like... 10 seconds... 27:16 a closing thought for the Viewers? 27:19 The only thing I say is that 27:20 if we're going to uproot the value gap, 27:22 we're going to have to have a revolution of value... 27:24 that means... we're going to have to change 27:26 our view of Government, 27:28 which means... we have to change our demand of Government. 27:30 We have to change our view of black people, 27:32 to change our view of black people... 27:34 that means we're going to have to change 27:35 our view of white people 27:37 and lastly, we got to change our view of what ultimately matters. 27:40 We can't have a Society based upon selfishness, greed 27:43 and narcissism, 27:45 instead, we have to have the Society based on the fact 27:48 that every human being should be extended 27:50 dignity and standing 27:51 because every human being is a child of God. 27:53 Thank you so much, may God bless you 27:56 and thank you so much for joining us, 27:59 join us next time because you know what? 28:01 It just wouldn't be the same without you. |
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