Participants: Yvonne Lewis (Host), Chris Lang
Series Code: UBR
Program Code: UBR000199A
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00:04 stay tuned... you won't want to miss this. 00:06 My name is Yvonne Lewis 00:08 and you're watching Urban Report. 00:34 Hello and welcome to Urban Report. 00:36 My guest today is Chris Lang, Founder, Producer, 00:39 Director at Lifestreams Media Film Production Company, 00:44 welcome to Urban Report Chris. 00:46 Thank you Yvonne, it's great to be here today. 00:48 Yeah, I'm so glad you're here, 00:52 oh! you have been in the trenches 00:55 and I know you have, I know you've been so busy, 00:58 you were on... oh! it's been a while since you were here 01:02 and we've aired some of your other films which we love... 01:05 "Single Creek" I mean... 01:06 we just love what God has used you to do 01:10 and now you have some new projects coming 01:13 and we just need to explore those 01:15 introduce those to our Viewers 01:17 because they are powerful... powerful, 01:21 so tell us what you've been doing since you were here last. 01:23 Well, Yvonne, thank you so much, first of all, 01:27 for the opportunity to reconnect with you on Urban Report. 01:31 Last time we met, I was just getting started 01:34 on this journey with the film project called 01:37 "Charmed by Darkness" 01:39 we had started working with the Roger Morneau Estate, 01:42 many of the Viewers will remember this man of God 01:46 who had been a demon worshipper back in the 1940s 01:49 and amazingly, miraculously God used a precious couple 01:56 Cyril and Cynthia Grossé to study the Bible with Roger 02:00 to deliver him from demon worship in 1946. 02:04 Wow! demon worship... I mean, really... 02:09 that is... it is so incredible to me 02:13 that God reaches everywhere for us... 02:17 there's nowhere that God won't go to reach us 02:20 tell us a little bit about him, if you would, 02:24 a bit more about Roger Morneau and who he was. 02:28 Yeah, so, Roger grew up in a Catholic family 02:33 in 1920s and 30s... and he... he... 02:38 he basically couldn't reconcile the teachings of the Bible 02:42 with those teachings of his church 02:44 and at the ripe old age of 12, 02:47 Roger decided that God was a tyrant 02:50 and sort of the straw that broke the camel's back... as they say, 02:56 was the teaching on eternally burning hellfire 02:59 and also purgatory which Catholics... 03:04 many Catholics still believe in this sort of... holding area, 03:08 between hell and heaven 03:10 or between life and death and heaven 03:12 well, Roger's mother died when he was at the age of 12 03:17 and that just... that just 03:19 completely solidified his hatred of God, 03:21 and he turned his back on religion completely 03:25 and so Roger... as the World War 2 broke out, 03:28 he was a late teenager, 03:30 he was working on the Merchant Navy Ships during the war 03:34 and also, he was in the Canadian Army as well, 03:38 and he was French Canadian and after the war, 03:41 God saved... by-the-way... 03:43 God saved his life miraculously during the war, 03:45 and afterwards, he was invited into a Secret Society 03:49 of demon worshippers where he saw... 03:52 what he thought was the spirit of his dead mother 03:54 and communicated with her and before long 03:58 he was being given gifts where he could win 04:00 at the horse track, he was... 04:03 he was being shown in his dreams at night 04:05 the winning horses and he started winning a lot of money 04:09 in the 1940s... after the war... I mean 400 dollars in one day 04:13 was a lot of money, Yvonne, back then. 04:15 Yeah, yeah... 04:17 So... but Roger wasn't happy, 04:18 Roger didn't have peace in his life 04:20 and his parents had warned him that if he ever played with evil 04:24 someday he would have to pay the price 04:27 and one night he was really frustrated, 04:30 he couldn't sleep because the Secret Society's High Priest, 04:33 they called him a Priest in this Satanic Society 04:36 that he was a part of... during this period, 04:38 was pressuring him to become initiated on Halloween weekend 04:42 in 1946... and he... he sensed this danger 04:48 and so, one night he couldn't sleep 04:50 and he calls out on his back... looking up at the ceiling 04:53 he was not evening praying, he was just desperate, 04:55 "If there is a God in heaven that cares for me help me... " 04:59 within a couple of days he met a man named Cyril Grossé 05:02 at his embroidery factory where he worked 05:05 and he found out that Cyril was a Christian 05:08 that kept the Bible Sabbath 05:09 and one day Roger had this... this conviction 05:14 that Cyril might have some answers 05:16 that he had been seeking his whole life 05:18 and what Cyril didn't know was that 05:21 Roger had been worshipping demons 05:23 and within three days Roger was supposed to sign up 05:27 and get initiated on the other side 05:29 but during those three days, right before his initiation, 05:33 God was saving Roger's life through the ministry 05:36 of Cyril and Cynthia Grossé who were newlyweds 05:39 and guess what, Yvonne? 05:40 They were the ripe old age of 19 05:42 and Roger was only 20 years old at this time... 05:46 these are not old people, 05:48 these are coming-of-age young adults... 05:51 Yvonne: Wow! 05:52 Chris: And that's why when I heard this story 05:54 and I saw the original book, 05:57 Roger wrote his conversion story in 1982 06:01 and it was originally published by Review and Herald 06:04 and the title was, "A Trip into the Supernatural" 06:07 what most people don't know, Yvonne, 06:10 is only half of that... 06:12 only half of Roger's original manuscript was published... 06:16 this is the cover of that book, "A Trip into the Supernatural" 06:20 and only half of that manuscript 06:23 that Roger had written was published 06:25 and so, when I saw the total manuscript 06:28 that Cyril mailed to me a couple of years ago, 06:30 when I started looking at this with Roger's Estate, 06:33 partnered with Lifestreams Media 06:35 and we started working together to do a feature film 06:38 about this amazing conversion story, 06:40 but it was while I was reading this... this manuscript... 06:43 this original manuscript that Roger wrote by hand, Yvonne, 06:47 and Cyril and Cynthia had it typed 06:50 in the 1970s or early '80s... 06:52 when I read this manuscript, Yvonne, 06:55 I felt this conviction that the whole world needed to see this 06:58 and by God's grace I... I just prayed... 07:00 I said, "Lord, this is part of the journey... " 07:03 and so I called our friends at Pacific Press 07:05 and when they heard it... when they heard what happened, 07:08 they agreed whole-heartedly to publish the full manuscript 07:12 and so, last year, the Pacific Press put out this book 07:16 which is the first time the world has ever seen 07:19 Roger's complete conversion story, 07:21 from demon worship and we are so excited 07:25 to be able to be working now on the feature film, 07:28 that... that is based on this book 07:31 and we actually... since you and I met last year, 07:34 we've actually been working with scriptwriters in Hollywood, 07:38 we didn't have a lot of money 07:39 because we were poor and... but we had a lot of big dreams 07:47 because God put this burden on my heart 07:49 and so, we finally hired a non-Union Scriptwriter 07:54 who has a heart for the Lord, 07:56 I felt a conviction that he was a man of integrity, 07:58 he and his wife were God followers 08:00 they happened to be Sunday Protestants 08:02 and after the first draft of 08:06 the screenplay was finished, Yvonne, 08:08 do you know that the Scriptwriter's wife 08:10 was so convicted that 08:12 she should start keeping the Bible Sabbath 08:14 after she read just the first draft. 08:16 Yvonne: Wow, praise the Lord, praise the Lord, 08:20 you know, you gave me a lot of chew on 08:23 just in... in what you've just said, 08:25 I want to go back a little bit and talk a little bit about 08:29 Roger's life and then into the project... 08:32 you know, one of the things that 08:34 is so interesting to me and I've told you this before 08:39 I think, is that... mysticism is one of the things, 08:43 spiritism, spiritualism, 08:45 these are things that are creeping into the church, 08:49 these are things that Christians unawares... many times... 08:53 are participating in... not the overt Satan worship 08:57 but just very subtle things and what you're doing 09:00 and I'm so thankful that you're doing this... 09:03 you're exposing a lot of the dark... 09:06 the elements of darkness to people 09:09 through Roger Morneau's life and he was at the... 09:13 he was at the end... that other end of demon worship 09:17 which is just... that's the overt kind of 09:20 end-of-the-line thing... 09:21 and I'm so thankful that you and your team 09:25 are bringing this to light because his whole life... 09:29 after he gave his life to the Lord, 09:32 his whole life was one of ministry, one of faith walk, 09:35 I've read his books and I'm... he's just... 09:39 I'm so glad you did this... this... these films 09:42 on his life and this tribute too... 09:44 that we're going to talk about in a bit, 09:46 so he went through this and then... 09:49 you were introduced to the book and to the whole... 09:56 the whole journey that he was on, 10:00 and you felt convicted that God would have you 10:03 use your gifts to do films about this. 10:06 Yeah, actually, I tried to reach out to Roger's family 10:10 for several years, Yvonne, 10:12 and I was in the middle of producing about miracles 10:14 several years ago and I was so convicted 10:17 that when I read his books like you, 10:20 that these were stories... and I wondered... 10:23 I just wondered if anyone had asked permission 10:26 from the family... 10:29 if they could have permission to do a feature film 10:32 about his life story... 10:34 his amazing conversion story... 10:36 and it took me three years to get a hold of them 10:39 and finally God opened the door and God's timing is... 10:43 as you know... He's usually not early but He's never late. 10:46 That's right... He's right on time... 10:49 and He's right on time... 10:50 what would you say was the most poignant story 10:57 in his journey that really grabbed you, 11:01 what really, really grabbed you in his journey? 11:04 Well, like you, I think that the... 11:07 I think that the generation we're living in 11:11 that is so... where the occult is the new normal, 11:15 where honestly, Yvonne, the word "occult" is old-school. 11:19 That's right. 11:21 Just to say somebody is in the occult... 11:22 that is so old-school now. 11:24 That's right. 11:25 Mysticism... very much so... as you said, 11:28 meditation... spiritual formation... 11:31 contemplative prayer, 11:33 "Christian Meditation" as they're calling it now, 11:37 these are Christianized versions of Eastern Mysticism 11:41 to contact what someone might think is God 11:46 when they're in an altered state of consciousness, 11:48 and so this has been an amazing journey 11:51 as I had this conviction that... that Roger's story, as you said, 11:56 he was on the far other side of the spectrum... 11:59 as it relates to spiritualism 12:02 but I felt that because he was interacting with spirits 12:05 that he thought were his... the spirit of his dead mother 12:08 who had passed on, that we could, by God's grace, 12:12 in this generation that is so saturated with, 12:15 "Twilight" and "Harry Potter" and the Fox TV Series, "Lucifer" 12:21 and making fun... making a mockery 12:24 of the Biblical concept of the great controversy 12:27 and that through Roger's story 12:30 and through the witnesses that knew him, 12:32 both before and after his conversion, 12:35 that the world will be confronted 12:37 with the Biblical truth through a story 12:40 so that... we Adventists... we're so good at preaching, 12:43 Yvonne, we have the best preachers in the world. 12:45 Hmmm... 12:46 And... and... and... and... and but... 12:49 but we are living in an ADD culture 12:52 where people might give you 5 seconds 12:54 before they change the channel. Yvonne: That's right... 12:58 Chris: And storytelling is what God has put on my heart, 13:01 He has given me this calling to tell stories 13:04 that are not only inspiring 13:06 but Biblically sound and life-changing testimonies 13:10 through re-enactments and now this is our first feature film, 13:14 "Charmed by Darkness" based on the book 13:16 that we hope, with God's blessing, 13:18 will actually challenge the world to think very deeply 13:23 about what these spirits are saying, Yvonne, 13:25 because the devil doesn't care what your worldview is, 13:28 he will come as an alien, 13:30 he will come as a spirit of your dead ancestors, 13:34 called "Ascended Masters" which the New-Age Movement 13:37 and the Freemasons all are taught to believe, 13:40 the witches who go into Summerland 13:44 and some sort of purgatory, neo-paganism, Yvonne, 13:48 is the fastest-growing world religion now. 13:51 Is it really? Neo-paganism... 13:53 It is the fastest worldview in the world because 13:58 people are tired of the old-time religion, 14:00 people are bored because there are no magic tricks, Yvonne, 14:03 and you know what? 14:05 The Bible tells us that we shouldn't seek something new, 14:09 that we should seek the old path... 14:11 that's what Isaiah told us to do. 14:13 Yvonne: That's right... that's right... 14:14 Chris: And there is where we will find rest 14:16 for our restless hearts. 14:17 Yvonne: Yes, yes, see... and the... and the thing is 14:20 these... these things are really... they're not new 14:25 they're just a twist on the old paganism... 14:30 I mean, this is paganism... neo-paganism... new paganism... 14:34 that's really what it is, it's like another form of it 14:37 but this is... Satan is up to his old tricks, 14:42 he has just re-packaged it, we have a clip of your... 14:45 the video... the Trailer... for "Charmed by Darkness" 14:49 I want to take a look at it. 14:51 Yeah, could I set it up for the audience? 14:55 Please... 14:57 This is actually exciting 14:58 to be able to share with your audience, Yvonne, 15:00 and the reason is because... God... 15:03 I am so thankful to God, Yvonne, 15:05 I can't tell you, this is emotional for me, 15:07 because... because... Cyril and Cynthia Grossé 15:12 became like my grandparents, 15:14 they... God kept them alive long enough 15:18 when I started working with 15:20 Linda Morneau Hatley... Roger's daughter, 15:23 she's the Executrix of Roger's Estate... 15:25 it was... it was less than a year till Cynthia passed away 15:30 from the time we started working together 15:32 and, do you know, God was the only one who knew... 15:36 He foreknew that she was about to die 15:39 and coordinated an interview with Cynthia and Cyril 15:45 when they were still healthy 15:47 and they were able to go out for a walk... 15:50 we were able to shoot B-roll with them 15:52 and what an inspiration they were 15:55 but here's the amazing thing, 15:56 when our Viewers watched this video, 15:58 they should keep in mind that Cynthia was the only one 16:01 who remembered where their actual apartment address was 16:05 in Montreal where they studied the Bible with Roger 16:09 and she died... three months after I interviewed them, 16:13 Cyril was the only one who had video 16:16 of him and Roger sitting together as friends, 16:19 you're going to see that in the video, 16:21 he filmed that with a consumer camera 16:23 in his living room in 1984, 16:25 they were just hanging out talking... 16:26 it's a casual video and that's why it's precious... 16:29 absolutely precious because it shows the proof 16:32 that these men were life-long friends 16:34 and God was just starting to write their story 16:37 when... when you hear the conversion story from 1946... 16:41 that was just the beginning for Cyril and Roger's friendship 16:44 so let's take a look. 16:45 Great... 16:49 Music... 16:59 He was a man of a singular focus 17:02 always ready to tell the story of his best friend Cynthia... 17:06 the unlikely friendship with Roger Morneau 17:09 and of a God who saved them all. 17:12 The other boys and girls were loud and... and, you know, 17:19 made mean remarks and so on, 17:20 but he would sit down and he'd just watch 17:23 and sometimes he'd say something 17:25 and when he said something, you thought about it 17:28 and that was interesting 17:30 and, of course, I compared him with the others 17:33 he was far better in every way. 17:38 I'm driving my Raleigh across the tracks, 17:41 and, of course, not being an expert on the bicycle, 17:45 a wheel got caught in the track... 17:47 threw me over... I fell flat on my stomach 17:51 and I was winded and couldn't get up 17:53 and she ran over... 17:55 grabbed me by the hand and pulled me out the track, 17:58 and then she went back and pulled my bike off the track 18:01 before the train got there and saved me. 18:04 Another time, I almost drowned in a lake 18:08 and again... she saved me again. 18:10 Chris: What happened? 18:12 Cynthia: I married him... 18:14 yeah, the things that he was doing were ridiculous... 18:19 really ridiculous... yeah... 18:22 Cyril: I was not an Adventist but she was... 18:25 whenever I go to work... without knowing what to eat, 18:28 what to drink... or going to church on Sabbath, 18:31 I decided... I'm going to church with her 18:33 because if I didn't go to church with her, 18:36 somebody else would steal her. 18:37 Narrator: They married in 1944, both just 18 years old 18:41 and began attending church together in this building, 18:45 the previous home of the Seventh-day Adventist Church 18:49 in the Westmount District of Montreal. 18:52 Cyril: When the Minister said, 18:54 "Anybody here like to have Bible Studies?" 18:57 And before I could say, "Not me... " 18:59 she said, "We would... " 19:01 After I had taken the Bible Studies from Elder Taylor, 19:05 I was coming to an area of not believing in the Sabbath, 19:10 and I said a silent prayer, 19:12 didn't tell my wife, didn't tell Elder Taylor, 19:14 and I said, "Lord, if you want me to keep 19:17 Saturday for my Sabbath, let me convince one person 19:20 and I'll... I'll believe... " 19:21 Racetrack announcer: The race is about to begin, 19:24 the horses are settling in now, 19:26 and they're off... it's a quick release flight... 19:29 Narrator: Meanwhile, a French- Canadian named Roger Morneau 19:33 was winning here... 19:34 at the Blue Bonnets Race Track in Montreal 19:37 his time with the Secret Society of demon worshippers 19:40 was paying off but he had no peace or joy, 19:44 his parents had warned him about playing with evil, 19:47 and he knew that no one had ever 19:49 gotten out of that Secret Society alive. 20:24 Music... 20:26 I was working as a... working in the Embroidery Factory 20:31 I was the Foreman... anyway I went to this new place 20:35 and did an interview to see if they would pay me more money 20:38 and give me less work to do, and he said, 20:41 "And if you want to make more money too, 20:43 you can work Saturday and Sunday" 20:44 In the meantime he had a fellow working for him 20:47 and I didn't know who that fellow was 20:50 but it was Roger Morneau and he told Roger, 20:52 "Monday, we have a new worker coming in 20:55 and I want you to sit next to him 20:58 and find out why he is a Christian 21:01 and to keep my Jewish Sabbath. " 21:03 And later on he said to me, "Cyril, I want you to invite me 21:09 to come to your house and you can tell me what you know. " 21:14 So, I said, "Okay, come this weekend" 21:17 he said, "No this week I will be too late... " 21:21 I didn't know at that time that he was a Devil Worshipper 21:25 and he had only three days left before he would sell his soul... 21:29 I remembered that I had just bought 28 Bible Studies 21:34 for busy people, I hadn't opened it yet 21:36 and I got home as fast as I could and told my wife, I said, 21:40 "Cynthia, we have a fellow that wants Bible Studies 21:44 and you can turn the pages of the Bible 21:47 while I read the notes," 21:48 I said, "Now, this fellow wants to come... " 21:50 I said, "He cusses like a sailor and he smokes like a chimney" 21:54 I said, "What do you want to do?" 21:57 She said, "Let him cuss and let him smoke... " 22:00 Narrator: Cynthia and Cyril lived here on Coursol Street 22:05 about a ten-minute walk from the church 22:07 on the third floor of this building 22:10 they studied the Bible with Roger and later a fire broke out 22:14 that nearly killed Cynthia. 22:34 Cynthia: It was fascinating that he was 22:36 actually sponging the information that we were giving 22:41 and he would repeat the paragraph or the sentence 22:46 or the Scripture... 22:49 and it's been long gone out of my mind after I read it 22:52 and he could pick up things like that 22:54 and I think that's what he was... 22:57 he was searching and he found what he was looking for. 23:02 Roger's Grandson: Without Cynthia and Cyril... 23:04 and I love you Cynthia and Cyril... 23:07 my grandparents wouldn't be married... 23:10 my mom wouldn't be... I wouldn't be... 23:14 and my daughter wouldn't be... my precious daughter... 23:18 and who knows... it's... all eternity would be changed... 23:21 who knows... they could have said, "No... 23:23 I'm selling my jazz records" 23:25 if Cynthia said, 23:27 "No way, I wanted to have a cigarette smoking... 23:30 cigar smoking, cussing man in my house... " 23:32 it would have been finale... you know 23:36 and then who knows what lives my grandfather 23:40 would have destroyed... 23:41 the "Great Master" wasn't going to initiate my grandfather 23:45 into that Society to be a good man for this planet... 23:47 he wants to destroy people. 24:13 Cyril: We have a lot of memories that's half of them... 24:20 Trailer ending... 24:39 Yvonne: Wow! you know what impresses me about that, Chris, 24:44 is... there are several things 24:46 but one of them is... just this sweetness in their faces, 24:49 their countenances... 24:51 the Grossés looked so kind and loving 24:55 I can see why... I can see why they became your grandparents. 24:58 Well, Cyril... Cyril looks like the grandfather I never had, 25:02 my mother's father died when she was a teenager 25:06 and my father's dad died when I was three-years old 25:09 so, it's like God gave me a grandfather figure 25:13 who was such a warrior for God 25:14 and this is emotional for me, Yvonne, 25:16 because... some of this... 25:18 this footage that the Viewers are seeing, 25:20 will be included on a documentary 25:21 which will be a companion program 25:23 to this feature film we're talking about, 25:26 "Charmed by Darkness" because, we're living in a 25:29 "prove-it-to-me-age" right, Yvonne? 25:31 Yvonne: Yes. 25:32 Chris: People can Google stuff and they can find their "proof" 25:34 and since we are in such a cynical society these days, 25:39 I've been praying that God would 25:41 open the doors and help us prove things 25:43 that would help to provide credibility, 25:46 for the things we can't prove, 25:48 we can't prove that Roger was in any particular Secret Society 25:52 but we interviewed people that knew Roger intimately well 25:55 including his family members, 25:57 including people like Doug Batchelor 25:59 who was close friends with the family, 26:00 also, Cyril and Cynthia who were the best witnesses of all 26:05 who were there in the 1940s 26:08 and they confronted demonic spirits themselves 26:11 and the devil tried to take them out, 26:14 in fact, Yvonne, this story is so true, 26:17 God actually revealed in an experience to me 26:21 that there are forces 26:23 that are very, very nervous about this. 26:25 Yvonne: Tell us what happened. 26:26 Chris: You know, I asked Cyril a couple of years ago 26:29 if he would be willing to send me 26:32 the original Bible Study pages that you saw in that video, 26:35 I was convicted, Yvonne, 26:38 that the world would be convicted by the Holy Spirit, 26:41 to want to study the... the actual study that Roger... 26:44 that saved Roger's life, and so, I asked Cyril one day, 26:48 I said, "Cyril... " 26:49 I told him what I was convicted about and I asked him, 26:51 "Would you trust me to mail me these original Bible Study pages 26:56 that you've saved for 70 years, almost 70 years?" 26:59 And he said, "Yes... " 27:01 and so, sure enough a few days later 27:03 I got these precious pages in the mail 27:07 and yes, those are the pages, I started... 27:10 the night I started scanning those pages, Yvonne, 27:13 I've lived in this house 20 years 27:15 and I've never seen this, 27:16 and none of my neighbors ever have either, 27:18 and they were witnesses to this, 27:20 I'm in my house after dark 27:22 and I'm starting to scan these original pages 27:26 and a huge black bear walked into my neighborhood 27:29 down the street, 27:30 at least five of my neighbors were outside talking 27:33 when this bear showed up, sat down in the neighbor's yard 27:37 across the street from my house, and then got spooked 27:41 and he ran full blast about 20 feet from my front door, 27:45 through my front yard 27:47 and crashed through my double-sided privacy fence, 27:49 as if it was toothpicks... 27:51 Yvonne: Wow! Look at that! And that's your door... 27:56 that's your fence right there? 27:58 Chris: Double-sided privacy fence... 28:00 and that 400-pound black bear leaned on that fence 28:05 and broke the four-by-four posts 28:06 and then he just going through the holding gate so... 28:11 and kept on going and I was so impressed that night, Yvonne, 28:14 my neighbors... five of them had flashlights in hand 28:18 and they were knocking on my door, 28:20 they didn't know if I was home, 28:21 they didn't know what I was doing, 28:23 I was scanning these Bible Study Pages 28:25 and they said, "You won't... " 28:28 they're eyes were as big as saucers, 28:29 they said, "You won't believe what just happened!" 28:32 and so they took me outside with their flashlights 28:34 shining in the dark and there was the hole 28:37 and that picture you just saw... I took the next morning 28:40 but I shook my head, Yvonne, 28:42 because, I think the Lord wanted to give me a personal experience 28:47 to let me know... again... I've lived there... 28:49 I've lived in this house 20 years 28:51 and we've never seen a bear on this street before. 28:55 Right... I mean, imagine... it's so ludicrous, you know, 28:58 you're just doing something in the house 29:01 and there's a bear in your front yard, 29:03 I mean, that's just so... you just can't... 29:06 it's unfathomable... you just can't imagine 29:09 a bear... where did he come from? 29:10 Chris: Exactly... 29:12 Yvonne: Where did he come from and it's so interesting 29:14 that he was... he got 29:16 angry or whatever and came at you 29:19 while you were looking at those Bible Studies. 29:22 Chris: I was scanning them for the world, Yvonne, 29:25 and someone didn't want it... 29:27 someone was very unhappy about that. 29:29 Yvonne: Yes... yes... 29:30 Chris: God wanted the world to know 29:31 through my personal experience 29:34 that this story is absolutely true, 29:36 I have no doubt in my mind and, of course, we... 29:39 we have witnesses like I mentioned just now 29:42 but that's not the only thing that happened, 29:44 when this book was being typed for Pacific Press, 29:47 the woman who... 29:48 the woman who typed the pages of this book... 29:51 Yvonne: "Charmed by Darkness" 29:52 Chris: "Charmed by Darkness" this book... 29:55 that the screenplay is based on... 29:56 while she was typing it, Yvonne, 30:00 she was convicted to start keeping the Sabbath, 30:02 she was not a Seventh-day Adventist 30:05 and the first Sabbath that she kept, 30:08 intentionally before the Lord, 30:10 she and her husband were driving to see a friend in their van 30:13 and they saw a... this is a new term... 30:17 you can Google it... I didn't know it until I heard it, 30:20 "Shadow people" following them 30:22 while they were driving to see their friends. 30:24 If you Google it, you'll see that the definition is, 30:27 "Dark apparitions with red eyes" 30:29 ghosts were following her and her husband that day 30:33 on Sabbath... while she was going to see her friends. 30:37 Yvonne: And, of course, we know with "ghosts" 30:39 are "demonic spirits... " 30:41 Chris: And she knew that too, 30:43 she knew that the demons were trying to 30:45 distract and discourage and intimidate 30:48 and she sent me an e-mail the next day 30:51 and told me about this and she said, 30:53 "You know what, Chris... " she said, "I'm not afraid" 30:55 and the last sentence, I'll never forget, 30:58 she said, "I'm... it's so amazing how quickly God works 31:03 when the ignorance is lifted. " 31:07 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... hmmm... 31:10 and that's what these films... these projects of yours 31:14 are meant to do, to educate... to inform 31:18 and to let people know that these things are real 31:21 you know, a lot of people, Chris... think 31:23 that... that evil spirits aren't real 31:25 that there's no such thing as Satan, 31:27 that there's... you know... 31:29 that there's just ignorance but not... 31:33 not evil... and in fact some of the Eastern religions... 31:38 one of their tenets is to blend or balance good with evil 31:42 and so, you know, one of the things that you're doing 31:47 with your film is... you are unmasking evil 31:51 and you are also unmasking the good... 31:55 you're showing the contrast 31:57 between God's way and Satan's way 32:00 and of course, he doesn't want people to know it 32:02 because one of his tricks is denial, 32:04 you know, "He doesn't exist... " 32:06 so we're so happy that you're doing that, 32:08 what are some of the other things that have happened 32:11 since you started making this film? 32:13 Well, you know, one of the things that came out, Yvonne, 32:17 was that... a lot of people were a little bit confused, 32:20 they were trying to figure out, 32:21 "Is 'Charmed by Darkness' a feature film 32:23 or is it a documentary?" 32:25 Yvonne: Hmmm... 32:26 Chris: And I said, "Yes... it's both. " 32:28 Yvonne: You said, "Yes... " 32:31 Chris: And it was during that time, 32:34 right after I saw you last year 32:35 for our last Program together, 32:37 actually, a friend of mine who has interviewed... 32:41 one of Roger's very close friends, 32:42 she was diagnosed with end-stage cancer 32:46 her name is Carol Squier and she passed away this year 32:50 and she's resting in Jesus... 32:51 and Cyril, of course, just died about... 32:53 a few weeks ago as well and he's resting now from his battle 32:58 but he loved God a lot and I can't wait to see him again, 33:01 Carol sent me all of the personally signed 33:04 autographed books that Roger gave her 33:06 twenty years ago, or so, these are very well-known books 33:10 among Seventh-day Adventists, 33:11 Roger was well-known with his Prayer Ministry, 33:15 he had thousands of people 33:17 who would call him and ask for intercessory prayer 33:20 so many of these books that he wrote 33:21 were about the miracles that God worked when he prayed for people 33:26 well, well, one of the books that she sent, Yvonne, 33:30 that I was aware of but I had never read... was this book, 33:34 this book titled, "Beware of Angels" 33:37 and I knew the basic story about it 33:41 and quite frankly, Yvonne, 33:42 I wasn't going to touch it with a ten-foot pole, 33:46 and because you know the story, you know why... 33:49 Yes, share... share some of the story with us if you would. 33:53 This... this was Roger's last book that he wrote, Yvonne, 33:56 before he passed away in 1998 and this book... 33:59 is a sobering account... 34:01 true story of a Bible Study Group 34:04 in Grants Pass, Oregon, 34:06 that happened to be Seventh-day Adventist Christians 34:09 that were seeking a closer walk with the Lord 34:11 where they began to "fall of the wagon," as it were, 34:16 is... they started asking God 34:18 to let them talk to their Guardian Angels 34:20 and this story, "Beware of Angels" 34:23 Roger actually interviewed the people 34:26 who were involved in this murder case... 34:29 what happened to this group, Yvonne, 34:31 essentially is... they fell into Spiritualism 34:34 and a couple of people in their group ultimately murdered 34:37 somebody else who was a member in the group 34:40 and it was all because they heard voices 34:42 and these spirits were telling them that they were from God... 34:46 and that certain people needed to be destroyed... 34:49 it's a long story, but by God's grace 34:52 we have decided to do a documentary 34:55 to use it as a... as a... 34:57 as a core companion program to "Charmed by Darkness" 35:00 for the very reasons you were just talking about, 35:02 we're living in a world that believes 35:04 that the immortality of the soul... 35:06 is... is as normal as us breathing and talking here 35:10 right now... Yvonne: That's right... 35:11 Chris: There are channelers and mediums 35:13 that have daily shows on YouTube 35:16 that are being watched by curious people, 35:19 "Curiosity" as they say, "kills the cat," right? 35:21 Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... hmmm... hmmm. 35:23 Chris: And here's the thing, Yvonne, 35:24 there's real power there but it's not from God. 35:27 Yvonne: That's right... and that's something, Chris, 35:30 that we really don't need to underestimate 35:35 because there is power there, 35:37 there's no doubt that there's power there 35:39 but what is the source of that power? 35:42 And once you start tangling with that, 35:45 it is a downward, downward spiral... 35:47 you know, the Bible forbids "familiar spirits... " 35:51 it forbids communication with "familiar spirits" 35:55 so, many times, I think, 35:57 Christians want a deeper spiritual experience 36:02 and they're seeking a deeper spiritual experience 36:07 and so they will begin to seek out these things 36:11 like, trying to talk to angels 36:13 and having your angel talk to you and all that kind of thing 36:16 and before you know it... 36:17 Satan, who masquerades as an angel of light 36:21 can deceive you, that's why Jesus said, 36:25 "Be not deceived... " 36:27 because He knew that at the end of time 36:29 Matthew 24... at the end of time people would be deceived. 36:33 And the reason that they're deceived at the end, Yvonne, 36:37 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 tells us 36:40 that the reason people will be deceived 36:42 is because they did not receive... 36:44 they did not have a love of the truth. 36:45 Yvonne: Yes... 36:46 Chris: So that they could be saved 36:48 and so, we want to share the truth with love 36:50 but we want to be... we want to be careful 36:53 to tell what God tells us to tell... 36:55 I feel like John the Baptist... because 36:58 I just had a call from a scriptwriter from Hollywood, 37:02 two days ago... and do you know what? 37:04 This movie is being made for her 37:07 and I realize... God was affirming it, 37:09 while I was on the phone with her, Yvonne, 37:11 and this is just one of many people out there, 37:13 who believe they're Christians essentially... 37:15 but they have a New Age World View 37:18 about the Cosmos and about God 37:19 and about how everything is interconnected 37:21 and how, we're all immortal beings... 37:23 that we were... always were... and always will be 37:26 and ultimately what happened to her... 37:29 and this is how deceptive the devil is these days 37:32 is even for Christians... 37:34 they're starting to see these manifestations, 37:36 her son passed away years ago 37:38 and she actually started writing books about the message... 37:41 messages she was getting from her son 37:44 who started appearing to her, 37:45 but here is what's interesting, she said, 37:48 "People ask me if I'm a Medium... a Channeler" 37:50 she said, "No, that would be evil 37:52 I didn't conjure this... I didn't conjure my son... 37:55 he just appeared... " and by-the-way Yvonne, 37:58 he appeared in a materialized human form... 38:01 he wasn't just a spirit, he was actually a physical being 38:05 that walked into her room. 38:07 I have a chill, right now, she was in a room 38:11 and that demon actually manifested in flesh as her son. 38:17 That's right. 38:19 And she was meeting with him. 38:21 That's right... and he was thanking her 38:23 for sending out the message 38:25 that everything is light and love 38:28 and it's eternal and it's all of these ethereal messages, 38:31 that are supposedly light and truth from heaven 38:33 but this is what you just quoted... 38:36 the Scripture that Satan transforms himself 38:38 into an angel of light 38:40 and it is so deceptive now Yvonne, because... 38:42 that's what I feel God's put on my heart for "Beware of Angels" 38:46 to use this Bible Study Group of Bible believers 38:50 who thought they couldn't be deceived 38:54 ultimately the lie was so beautiful, 38:57 that they had to disengage their intelligent faith... 39:00 the things that they knew the Bible taught 39:03 to the point where they were asking questions of these beings 39:06 who claimed to be from heaven and literally... 39:08 they came to this... they would come 39:10 and they would ask these angels to come, 39:12 and the angels... sure enough... eventually started showing up 39:15 and they would... 39:16 and I actually went to the Police Department 39:18 in Grants Pass, Yvonne, and they actually allowed me 39:22 to go through ten boxes of Police evidence, 39:24 from... this murder happened, by-the-way, in the late 1980s... 39:28 so they kept all the murder... since it was a murder... 39:31 they kept all the evidence 39:32 and do you know... I spent four hours 39:34 in the Police Department, Yvonne, 39:36 and I saw page after page after page 39:39 and I took more than 500 pictures 39:41 in the Police Department 39:43 and one of those pages includes a mini 39:45 "Questions and Answers to these Angels" 39:47 and do you know these Seventh-day Adventists 39:50 who know the truth about death 39:52 asked the angels, "What happens when we die?" 39:55 And would you be surprised at all 39:58 that these... these beings said, 40:01 "The spirit returns to God who gave it" 40:02 pretending that they're quoting Scripture 40:04 and, of course, that is Scripture 40:07 but we understand what the Hebrew word 40:09 about "spirit" means in the Hebrew. 40:12 Yvonne: Right... right... Chris: It means breath... 40:14 it doesn't mean an intelligent, conscious entity 40:17 that somehow separates from our body, 40:19 in fact, the Viewers may not know this, 40:20 that the belief in the immortality of the soul 40:23 actually entered... infiltrated the Christian Church 40:26 around 200 A.D. with this Gnosticism that came from 40:29 Greek Philosophy, from Plato... 40:31 it was a pagan belief that began to be promoted 40:36 in the Christian churches, it was not from Christians 40:39 that this came about and it slowly made its way 40:42 until it became tradition 40:44 to where Marion apparitions are all over the place 40:47 and Paganism is truly now... 40:50 and Protestants don't even realize 40:53 that it's a form of idolatry 40:55 to actually believe that their loved ones are alive. 40:58 Absolutely, absolutely, you know... 41:00 you said something, Chris, that really resonates with me 41:06 and that is that when you disassociate what Scripture says 41:12 from your experience you can have a problem 41:16 because the experience can be deceptive. 41:20 That whole experience with the angels 41:24 and them beginning to trust more what they said 41:27 than what the Bible said, 41:29 that's where the dissonance came in 41:32 and that's... that's something 41:34 that we have to truly guard against in these last days... 41:38 we have to truly guard against taking our experience... 41:42 putting our experience above the Bible... 41:45 Chris: That's right... 41:46 Yvonne: Because the experience can be a deception 41:49 and if you cannot... if you don't know the Word well enough 41:52 to test your experience against the Word... 41:55 you are in trouble, that's why we're to study 41:58 because otherwise Satan will... he will deceive us... 42:01 if we're not... if we're not grounded in that Word 42:05 so what you're doing is phenomenal. 42:08 Well, I praise God and we have a movie trailer to show 42:12 for "Beware of Angels... do you know, 42:14 Adventist Review is teaming up with us 42:16 to do a pre-release worldwide screening 42:19 on Halloween Weekend this year 42:21 and so, we're excited to be able to share this film 42:24 with the world in its pre-released form 42:27 and hopefully get the final cut released 42:30 before Christmas this year, God willing. 42:32 That's tremendous, so let's take a look at that Trailer. 42:35 Trailer... 42:46 They had prayed to see angels... 42:47 background music... 42:50 more background music... 43:00 God has got a special job for you... 43:01 beautiful glorious angels... 43:05 Roger Morneau's Grandson: They will appear to people 43:09 to whatever people want them to appear as... 43:12 Mr. Charles Disney: I saw this large saucer-shaped object... 43:16 hovering... I looked again and sure enough there it was... 43:19 Mr. Will Baron: Eventually, I had a personal spirit guide 43:22 that appeared to me in an incredible visionary experience. 43:25 Carol Squier: He now is presenting himself 43:28 as an angel of light. 43:29 Roger's Grandson: For all the people I want to talk to... 43:32 dead father or a dead sister or a dead best friend... 43:35 Mark Cleminson: I could pierce that veil 43:37 and see these spiritual beings 43:39 that I thought were dead ancestors who've passed on 43:42 and now have received these bodies... 43:45 Holly McCutcheon: You didn't know that you had this power 43:46 to create things and you didn't know that, 43:49 "Yeah, you're God too... " 43:51 Adam Hendron: "Who do you serve?" 43:53 I said, "No one... " 43:54 he said, "No... no... everybody serves somebody 43:56 and who is it going to be?" 43:58 I said, "Well, myself, I guess... " 44:00 he said, "So be it... " 44:01 I reached out to Roger Morneau... 44:09 End of Trailer... 44:19 Wow! Tell us about the people that were on there... 44:23 some of their experiences. 44:25 Yeah... it's... it was very exciting to finally see 44:30 God show me... how all of these stories would fit together, 44:34 Yvonne, because you can see how varied they are, 44:37 Yvonne: Yes. 44:39 Chris: One of them... the first one that you saw... 44:40 of course, is Roger's grandson, Michael, 44:43 who gives an incredible... sort of back-story 44:46 for all the things he learned from his grandfather 44:48 about last-day deceptions and then you have these people 44:53 who were delivered from the occult... 44:55 people like Mark Cleminson who was a... 44:58 actually he's been interviewed on 3abn in the past, 45:01 it's a very popular interview on YouTube, 45:03 he has a dramatic story of how he learned about the truth 45:08 as it is in Jesus and about death 45:10 and he became a Seventh-day Adventist Christian 45:13 and he left that life and actually... 45:15 the devil tried to kill him, 45:17 he has a very dramatic deliverance story 45:19 and we re-enacted that in his backyard 45:21 up in Vermont recently so that was a real blessing. 45:25 Will Baron is a... was a former New Age Priest, 45:30 and God delivered him from a very abusive situation 45:34 where a spirit guide... and you know, 45:36 you were talking about mysticism coming into Christian churches, 45:39 that was really coming into full swing in the 19... 45:42 late '80s... early '90s... and actually spirit guides were 45:48 actually... impressing Will to infiltrate Christian churches 45:54 to start teaching Christian Meditation 45:57 and so he was calling himself a New Age Christian 46:00 before he even became a Christian... a real Christian. 46:04 You know, Chris, 46:05 the whole idea of "Christian Meditation" 46:09 the Bible teaches, of course, that we are to meditate... 46:12 but it's to meditate on the Word... 46:16 not empty your mind and meditate, 46:19 that... you know... it's so interesting to me that 46:22 there's the true and the counterfeit. 46:24 God has the truth... Satan has the counterfeit... 46:27 Satan wants you to empty your mind 46:29 so that he can fill it... 46:31 the Word... the Bible says that we are to meditate on the Law 46:36 day and night, those kinds of things... 46:39 but Satan wants us to empty the mind 46:42 so, that whole idea of Christian Meditation, 46:45 it's... it's... it's... it's an oxymoron because it's not... 46:50 it's like Christian Transcendental Meditation. 46:54 Yeah, what people don't realize, that's right, Yvonne, 46:57 what people don't realize is that they're being sold... 46:59 they're being sold a bunch of goods 47:02 that ultimately compromises their... the will... 47:06 the will is what controls all the decisions and choices 47:09 we make and when you silence your mind 47:12 and "center down... " as they like to call it... 47:15 you're actually altering your conscious state 47:18 to a point where suggestive thoughts can be inserted 47:21 against your will... 47:22 and you really are in a vulnerable state mentally... 47:25 because your subconscious now can be capped 47:28 by other spirits or other voices and it's in that place 47:32 where they think they can find and hear God speak to them, 47:36 but, you know, ultimately, that's... 47:40 that's the truth that we're trying to get out 47:41 and I'm not sure yet how much of that we'll be able to cover 47:44 in "Beware of Angels" but... but it's very exciting 47:47 because I didn't know a lot about Christian Meditation 47:50 before I started on this journey, Yvonne, 47:51 and it is... it is shocking 47:53 how "normalized" it's become in Christianity. 47:56 Absolutely, absolutely, I'm working on this booklet 48:01 on "What's wrong with Yoga" I did one on Acupuncture 48:05 and now I'm doing one on Yoga 48:07 and one of the things that many Christians 48:10 who are practicing yoga don't know 48:13 are that the stretches... the poses... 48:15 are actually worship poses to Hindu gods... 48:18 Right... 48:20 And so, some people will say, "Oh... it's just stretching... 48:23 but the sequence of those stretches... the deep breathing, 48:26 they are preparing you for a spiritual experience 48:30 and that's the release of the "Kundalini" which is that energy 48:34 so... my... 48:36 Chris: Serpent power... Yvonne: Serpent, serpent power! 48:39 Chris: That's what Kundalini means. 48:41 Yvonne: That's right... that's right... 48:42 and so, when you look at how there's this... this meshing of 48:49 Eastern Mysticism and Christianity... 48:52 you know... these are the frogs 48:54 that are talked about in Revelation... 48:57 the frogs... the evil spirits... and stuff like that... 49:00 it is to me... we are living 49:03 in such an amazing time in earth's history 49:06 where Spiritism is at a peak and Ellen White says... 49:11 it's going to be in an all-time high... 49:13 and we are experiencing that right now, 49:16 so this film that you're doing, this documentary/film 49:20 is just... it's amazing... 49:23 how are people going to be able to see it, 49:26 how can they access it? 49:27 Well, as I mentioned a little bit earlier, 49:30 we're planning on doing a pre-release screening worldwide 49:33 in partnership with Adventist Review 49:35 on Halloween weekend 49:36 so, if people want to sign up for our newsletter 49:39 at Lifestreams. org 49:40 they can find out more about specifics 49:44 in terms of... of that screening that's coming up 49:47 because it's being formalized right now 49:48 but also the release dates... 49:51 we are still making plans on the distribution for this, Yvonne, 49:54 in terms of whether or not we'll wait 49:57 for a digital platform release and DVD release 49:59 and first do a road show where we actually go and meet 50:03 in some of these cities and towns 50:05 and actually bring this as a tool 50:07 to help to forge conversation about Bible truth, 50:11 for these very reasons... why you're talking about it, 50:15 we're living in the last times of earth's history 50:17 and people are asleep... Christians are sleeping 50:20 and Jesus gave us the parable of the ten virgins 50:23 right after Matthew 24... 50:25 the very next portion of Jesus speaking is the ten virgins... 50:30 after He gives us the signs 50:31 of the end of the world, right, Yvonne? 50:33 Yvonne: Yes... 50:34 Chris: So it can't be a... it can't be a coincidence that 50:36 that it's time for God's people to wake up 50:38 and pursue a walk with Christ that they never, ever hungered 50:44 as much as they need to hunger today for it, Yvonne, 50:46 because you know what? 50:47 Jesus warned us, "Don't be deceived... 50:49 don't be deceived, don't be deceived... " 50:52 He kept saying it over and over and over 50:54 and He said, "By the way, if it were possible, 50:57 even the very elect will be deceived... " 51:00 That's right, absolutely, and that's the thing, 51:02 you know, we... we just have to keep... 51:04 we have to be sober and be vigilant, 51:07 as it says in Peter, "Be sober, and be vigilant; 51:10 because our adversary the devil, is like a roaring lion, 51:13 seeking who he may devour" 51:15 so... he... we cannot just put our heads in the sand 51:19 and we also can't practice syncretism... you know... 51:22 "I'll take a little bit of this, a little bit of that... 51:25 a little bit of this... and a little bit of that... 51:27 and make my own thing... " 51:28 no, that's what New Age does... 51:30 "I'll take a little bit of Buddhism... 51:32 a little bit of Hinduism... a little bit of Christianity... 51:35 and just kind of mix it all together and it's my truth. " 51:37 Well, I'm glad that you mentioned that, Yvonne, 51:39 how much time do we have left, like... 51:41 Yvonne: We have six... we have six minutes, yeah. 51:44 Chris: One of the interviews 51:45 is this girl, Holly that you see in the Trailer... 51:48 she was very much into the secret 51:50 and New Ageism in the '90s... 51:52 and she had grown up in a Christian home, 51:54 but that's exactly what happened to her, Yvonne, 51:57 she started taking pieces and parts 51:59 of different world views and putting them together... 52:01 the problem with all of this is that 52:03 it marginalizes Jesus 52:05 and because the devil can't get rid of Jesus, 52:07 he has to make Him one of teachers... like... 52:11 like Buddha, like Gandhi and Muhammad... right? 52:15 So, they try to make Him one of the Ascended Masters, 52:19 in their worldview... but the thing about Christianity 52:23 that's so exciting, Yvonne, 52:24 that they're starting to call us "Fundamentalists" 52:27 is that... is that we actually believe that the Bible is true 52:30 and that Jesus really is God because that's what He claims... 52:34 and so... He can't be... 52:36 He either has to be who He said He was... 52:39 or He was the greatest liar 52:41 that ever walked the face of the earth 52:43 and so, the devil can't have it both ways 52:46 and yet people have been bamboozled by this "light" 52:48 by this beautiful package and as I say, 52:51 sometimes the lies are too "beautiful" 52:53 and as we saw in "Beware of Angels" 52:55 which this movie will show the truth, 52:58 behind this Bible Study Group that fell into Spiritualism, 53:01 they knew the truth 53:03 and yet... the lie was so beautiful, Yvonne, 53:05 so, we... we're living in an age 53:09 as you said of syncretism where everything... 53:12 where your truth is your truth, you choose your own path 53:14 and you create your path... 53:16 and this is the last thing I would share with Viewers today, 53:22 that makes me so excited about this... 53:24 this walk we had as Christians, 53:26 what makes Christianity exclusive 53:29 and completely different, 53:31 it's the only worldview that 53:32 actually can bring rest to a restless heart 53:35 because this is the religion, Yvonne, 53:38 that teaches us that we have a Creator 53:40 that actually planned your days, 53:42 Psalm 139... before there was one of them, 53:45 He already planned all the days of your life 53:48 and you're the only one like you Yvonne, in the whole universe 53:52 is God... is a personal God... 53:55 and that's what Christianity brings, 53:56 the rest of the syncretism that we're seeing in the world 53:59 with New Ageism and this relevant Christianity... 54:02 the Mysticism... it really does away with the deity of Christ 54:07 and it takes the personal relationship... 54:10 the intimacy that we have with our Creator 54:12 completely out of the equation because Jesus said in John 14, 54:16 "No one comes to the Father, except through me" 54:19 and what happens with Christian Meditation 54:21 and all this Mysticism that's come in, 54:23 is... you don't need Jesus to talk to God... 54:26 if you "center down" and go into that altered state, 54:28 you can talk to someone that you think is God... 54:31 but it's not the Biblical God, Yvonne. 54:33 Hmmm... you know Chris... 54:35 wow! that is... that is so deep... 54:37 because when you think about it, 54:39 the other religions don't encourage that intimacy, 54:45 like you mentioned... with God, the fact that 54:47 we can have intimacy with God through Jesus Christ, is... 54:52 that is unique to Christianity. 54:55 What they have essentially 54:56 is a coldness that they claim is warmth and peace 55:00 but it's a cold peace, Yvonne, because for them, God is a force 55:05 that's what witches actually say to each other, 55:08 "May the force be with you" 55:09 and God is an impersonal force 55:12 of which you and I... and the whole... 55:14 every animal... it's Pantheism. Yvonne: Right. 55:16 Chris: It's Paganism... Pantheism... 55:18 Yvonne: Absolutely... 55:19 Chris: And so, for them, God has no person... 55:21 He's not a person... He's a "force. " 55:23 Yvonne: Right... 55:25 Chris: And that's a cold way to live, Yvonne. 55:26 Yvonne: Yes, well, you know, again... 55:28 if you're asked to search within 55:31 you know, "Go deep inside yourself... " 55:34 well, I can't do anything for myself, 55:36 you know what I'm saying, like, 55:38 if my God is me... I'm in deep trouble 55:42 because what can I do, you know what I'm saying? 55:47 Chris: Preach on Sister, that's so true. 55:49 Yvonne: Our God is great... He lives within us 55:51 but He is... He's separate from us... 55:54 He is God... He is the Creator, we're the creatures... 55:58 and the moment we get that twisted... we are in trouble. 56:01 Tell us what you need, 56:03 what do you need to complete... you have about a minute... 56:06 to complete this project, what do you need? 56:09 Well, we're in the middle of 56:12 still paying off our Scriptwriter... 56:14 our Hollywood Scriptwriter... 56:16 we need $10,000 right now, Yvonne, to be honest, 56:19 and our script is completed 56:22 and we're in the process of fundraising, 56:24 if people want to give us a call, 56:26 can go to our website... Lifestreams. org 56:28 if God puts it on your heart, if you're watching, Viewer, 56:32 and you have resources and you know Jesus is coming soon, 56:35 this is a journey of films that rips the mask off 56:39 of the deceiver and so thank you for your prayers, 56:43 thank you for your support, 56:45 it's going to be a multi-million dollar project, 56:47 this "Charmed by Darkness" feature film, 56:49 and, of course, we also have the documentary 56:52 coming out later this year, "Beware of Angels" 56:54 so, it's been a long journey, Yvonne, 56:58 and I'm looking forward to the next projects... God has for me, 57:01 this is very heavy material but we serve a great God 57:04 and so, I'm very honored to be able to share with you today. 57:07 Well, we so appreciate all that you're doing 57:10 and we know that it is a... it is not an easy journey 57:15 but we also know that... as you said before, 57:18 we serve a great God who will protect you during this time 57:22 because you are going... 57:23 you are on the frontlines, Brother, 57:26 with this... you know... it's a dark... 57:28 it's a dark place but because of the light of Jesus Christ, 57:32 you are safe and protected because the angels of the Lord 57:35 encamp round about them that fear Him and delivereth them. 57:38 There are people of integrity that Jesus wants to save 57:41 and they're deceived right now. 57:43 Yes, that's right... and so this will help to bring them out, 57:47 thank you so much and may God continue to bless you 57:49 in all that you do. 57:51 Chris: Thank you. 57:52 Yvonne: Pray for Chris... pray for his projects... 57:55 pray for him please. 57:56 Thank you for joining us, join us next time 57:59 you know why? 58:00 It wouldn't be the same without you. |
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