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Participants: Ron Dozier


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Program Code: UBR000222A

00:01 Stay tuned to find out how you can get off the bench
00:03 and into the game for Christ.
00:04 I'm Jason Bradley
00:05 and you are watching Urban Report.
00:31 Hello, and welcome to Urban Report.
00:33 My guest today is Ron Dozier,
00:35 he's the author of the book
00:36 entitled "The Gospel According to Sports".
00:39 Ron is the director of stewardship
00:40 at his local church.
00:42 He's a member of the Saving Grace Prison Ministry team
00:45 and he's also the Development Director
00:47 for Columbus Adventist Academy.
00:50 Needless to say Ron is busy.
00:52 Welcome to Urban Report, Ron.
00:54 Glad to meet you.
00:56 Good to have you.
00:57 So we have so much to talk about
01:00 in a short amount of time.
01:02 But let's start with your background.
01:05 Well, basically I was born in Seventh-day Adventist church,
01:09 in Seventh-day Adventist Church,
01:10 my mother used to tease me
01:12 and she was baptized while carrying me
01:13 so like baptized twice.
01:16 And I've been an elder in church in variety,
01:20 couple of churches for probably about 30 plus years.
01:25 And I've been a Yankees fan
01:27 for equally that long along the Buffalo Bills fans.
01:29 So you can't be an elder
01:31 and be a Bills and Yankees fan at the same time.
01:35 Okay.
01:36 So we share that in common not the...
01:38 well, Yankees fan, yes.
01:40 Bills, I don't know about that one.
01:42 But we'll talk about that later.
01:44 But the baptism,
01:46 my mom carried me as well
01:48 and Pastor C.A. Murray baptized her.
01:52 Well, of course, my mom carried me,
01:53 but baptized her while I was in the womb.
01:57 Oh, wow,
01:58 and Pastor Murray and I go back a little ways too,
02:01 'cause he is also from Buffalo.
02:02 Yes, yes. I wonder if he's a Bills fan.
02:05 If he is, he better not tell anybody.
02:09 So you have so much going on.
02:12 How do you find the time to manage all of the things?
02:17 Well, fortunately I'm retired, that helps.
02:20 But one of the good things about being retired,
02:22 you get a chance to do the things
02:23 which you have a passion for.
02:25 And I always liked writing
02:27 when I was a director of human services
02:29 for non-profit organization.
02:31 I used to write lot of grants and proposals.
02:33 So this gave me a chance to move it to another level
02:36 in terms of doing some writing.
02:37 And you always have,
02:39 you know, you have a passion for your church.
02:41 And I tell people that I love my church.
02:43 And when you love your church,
02:45 you'll look for ways which you can be of service.
02:48 While, you know, being a member of the church
02:50 and serving them for writing capacities.
02:52 Yes.
02:53 And so you are a life long Adventist,
02:56 been serving all throughout growing up, coming up?
03:00 Right, exactly. Okay.
03:02 Now, you wrote a book
03:05 called ''The Gospel According to Sports''.
03:10 We have a copy of it here
03:12 and they have a copy on the screen there.
03:15 Now, when I first read that title,
03:18 I was little, little thrown
03:20 by ''The Gospel According to Sports''.
03:22 But as I talk to you
03:24 and as I went started looking through the book,
03:27 I was like, he's on to something here.
03:30 What was your motivation for writing this book?
03:34 Well, actually what the Gospel According to Sports is,
03:37 is a bridge between sports and spiritual values.
03:42 We typically kind of put sports on one side
03:45 and say Jesus on the other side.
03:46 But this looks at the gospel
03:49 through the binoculars of sports.
03:50 Okay.
03:52 So it's design to appeal to a person
03:54 who has a heart for God
03:55 as well as the heart of an athlete,
03:57 so that you can basically, instead of saying,
04:00 well, one is separate and divorce from the other
04:02 that we can literally use sports characters,
04:08 use sports personalities
04:09 and sports lessons as a segue
04:12 to things that deal with the gospel.
04:14 Okay. Okay.
04:16 So it's kind of like a conversation starter
04:19 and then a look,
04:21 a way to compare different aspects of sports
04:26 with the events that are going on in the Bible.
04:29 No doubt about it.
04:30 It's interesting because so much of the Bible
04:32 is considered years ago.
04:37 But sports is everyday, sports is very visible.
04:40 So when you do a presentation,
04:41 you're literally using visible images
04:43 of sports characters
04:44 and then related them to biblical events
04:47 and biblical values.
04:50 Now before we dive deeper into the book,
04:54 you put together a trailer for this book.
04:57 I'm not familiar with seeing a bunch of trailers for books
05:01 and I thought this was very unique.
05:02 I'd love for our viewers to take a look at it.
05:04 I think, they will enjoy it.
05:06 All right.
05:32 They are on the 16th fairway of about 200 yards to the pin.
05:38 It's counting three up.
05:42 Second down and nine for their own three-five.
05:46 Just over nine minutes to go in the quarter...
05:53 From the face-off. Back to the points.
05:56 Takes a shot, passes to the other,
05:58 one timer, deflection, run off to the post.
06:01 And with one minute left go in the game,
06:03 the score remains exactly...
06:08 Battling along the board.
06:11 Passed to the corner.
06:13 All alone, he shoots and scores.
06:34 Wow,
06:35 now I feel like I was about to go into a movie after that.
06:38 I thought it was going into a movie,
06:40 that's why it makes you want to dive in this book
06:43 and learn more about it.
06:45 Ron, let me ask you a question.
06:46 What makes this book different
06:49 from the other books that are in the Christian...
06:52 the other sports books that are in the Christian book store?
06:54 Well, mostly
06:56 what happens when you go into Christian books store,
06:57 you see some books that relate to sports.
06:59 But usually, they are written by the athlete,
07:02 who's been had a life story involved in a particular sport.
07:06 What make this book different,
07:08 one it covers a variety of sports,
07:10 it covers hockey, baseball, track, even cycling.
07:15 It covers a variety of sports, football, the draft, and...
07:20 but it's presented from a fan's perspective.
07:22 A fan wrote it for the benefit of other fans.
07:26 Okay, Okay.
07:28 Now so it offers a different spin.
07:31 It's from a different viewpoint.
07:33 Yes, I mean, often you hear stuff of guy
07:35 tells his life story in his book
07:37 that focuses on his life in a particular sports.
07:41 But this is...
07:42 takes a spin on it and says, "Hey, look,
07:44 there's a variety of correlation
07:46 between Bible figures and sports figures."
07:49 And some of those can be very...
07:51 can seem kind of abstract at time,
07:53 but when you compare them,
07:54 they really kind of come together
07:56 and it gives you a great object lesson,
07:57 so you go away from, you say,
07:59 "Wow, I never thought about that way."
08:01 And that frankly is the gold,
08:02 to be able to present sports in such a way
08:05 that people who have an appreciation for the gospel
08:08 say, "Yeah, I never thought about it that way."
08:10 As well as those who may have never thought about the gospel,
08:13 and always looked at the gospel as kind of a negative,
08:16 but sports can be presented in a way that's very positive
08:19 and proactive as opposed to negative.
08:23 When I say negative, sometimes we talk about sports
08:26 and we talk about the gospel
08:27 and say, "Well, this is limited.
08:30 Well, you can't do this or you can't do that."
08:32 But when you present it from the gospel,
08:34 from the sports prospective,
08:35 it's based on sports principles
08:37 that people can identify with him
08:39 and it make sense to be able to promote it in that way.
08:43 Okay.
08:45 If only people would realize that the gospel isn't,
08:47 it's not a bunch of you can't do this,
08:50 you can't do that,
08:51 it's actually a blessing in terms of...
08:53 it's all because God loves us and cares about us, you know.
08:58 I was sharing with somebody, in the first chapter one,
09:01 Referees.
09:03 We typically talk about,
09:05 it shares things about the commandments
09:07 and we typically think of commandments
09:09 in terms of what you can't do.
09:11 But when you look at referees,
09:13 and you look at the whole idea of sports,
09:15 the reason for referees
09:17 is because they bring order out of chaos.
09:20 If you don't have a referee, your games will be chaotic.
09:23 All of us at some point times,
09:25 athletes have played pick up games.
09:27 You had to pick a baseball game,
09:29 pick up hockey game, baseball, football,
09:31 whatever is game, it's a pick-up game.
09:34 And pick-up games have one thing in common,
09:36 everybody acts as their own referee.
09:39 And as result,
09:40 there is always gonna be an argument about he did this,
09:42 no, he wasn't, why wasn't he call for this.
09:44 And it tends to be, you know,
09:46 that kind of friendly combativeness,
09:49 I mean, in terms of pick-up games,
09:50 but a referee brings order through it.
09:53 And so therefore,
09:54 when we start talking about the law of God,
09:57 the law of God basically brings order
09:59 in the chaos of our lives.
10:00 And when you perspect,
10:02 when you use it from the perspective
10:03 of what it does from sports, it just makes sense.
10:07 That's an excellent analogy.
10:09 Now, what are some other examples
10:11 that you can give us from your book?
10:14 One of the things that I enjoy writing was
10:17 the analogy about basketball,
10:22 beating the odds,
10:23 think about the odds of being able to make the NBA.
10:26 In the book, it specifically talks about
10:28 who was the best NBA player under 6 foot.
10:34 And do a correlation between that individual
10:36 and David's taking down the giant in his life, Goliath.
10:39 So we identified a couple but as it turns out,
10:43 we identified Tyrone Muggsy Bogues,
10:46 who was a tall,
10:48 who was a some tall of 5'3" inches tall,
10:51 played twelve years in the NBA
10:53 and led his team to the playoffs.
10:55 And that takes a lot of doing
10:57 to be able to take down the giants
10:59 that he had to confront
11:00 in order to be successful in NBA.
11:02 Then the book talks about
11:03 then how do you as an individual...
11:05 He was 5'3"? He was 5'3".
11:07 I remember him being short,
11:09 but then also those guys are like 7'0", 7'3" or...
11:14 The average height in the NBA today
11:16 is approximately 6'8", that's the average.
11:20 So imagine being under 6 feet
11:22 and competing successfully in NBA.
11:24 You have to have a lot of confidence,
11:26 and the book talks about how do you take down the giants
11:29 in your own life.
11:30 Are you able to do those kind of things
11:33 that make you successful when the odds are against you?
11:36 Oh, man! Oh!
11:40 What else is in this book?
11:42 I mean, the examples that you've given so far
11:45 have been... you can see the correlation.
11:49 You can see the correlation there.
11:50 But what are some other things that you have in here?
11:53 Well, one of the things that I talked about
11:55 and it was on the segment on track and field.
12:00 I told somebody and they were talking about the book.
12:03 I say, "If Apostle Paul were alive today,
12:05 he would be a fitness trainer."
12:07 You know, run the race, you know, we fight not against,
12:10 we wrestle not against flesh and blood.
12:12 I see Paul would be a great fitness trainer.
12:14 And so on track and field,
12:16 they tell you with whom you run a marathon,
12:18 to have somebody to coach you through,
12:21 and I can imagine,
12:22 Paul would be a good coach for doing fitness training
12:25 in terms of being prepared for marathon.
12:27 And in the segment on fitness
12:32 in particularly in running a marathon,
12:34 how do you get through when you hit the wall?
12:37 Any person who's ever run a marathon,
12:39 any long distance race,
12:40 you hit a wall,
12:42 when literally your body starts to run out of energy.
12:45 And how do you power through that?
12:48 As off times for Christian,
12:49 we can be going to church, and going to church,
12:51 but then you hit the wall.
12:52 How do you power pass the wall?
12:55 And talk about how you turn,
12:58 what could be a something that would inhibit you
13:00 from going forward to being able to power through it,
13:03 and being able to get that refreshment.
13:05 If you've ever seen a marathon,
13:07 there often are people on the side,
13:08 they're giving them a little refreshment,
13:09 when they get that certain point in the race.
13:12 And that's what happened,
13:13 Christ give us that little bit of refreshment
13:15 as we're going through to help power us through,
13:17 and it makes the great difference
13:19 in what happens to us.
13:20 I'm glad you said something about a marathon, you know,
13:22 something else that's interesting
13:24 about a marathon and spirituality,
13:25 our walk with Christ,
13:27 is that people don't just show up at a marathon and say,
13:31 "Hey, I'm gonna do a 10k
13:34 or I'm gonna do however many miles,
13:36 and I'm gonna run that race,
13:38 it's the same thing with Christianity,
13:41 like you have to study the word,
13:43 you have to pray,
13:45 you have to constantly be training
13:47 and filling your mind with spiritual things.
13:50 You don't just show up like, hey okay, you know,
13:52 you have to be prepared.
13:54 You wouldn't show up for a marathon wearing high heels,
13:55 I mean, you got to be prepared for marathon.
13:59 And it's interesting,
14:00 one of the things that a marathon,
14:02 when we're doing the research on marathon,
14:04 one of the things that came out,
14:05 is they tell you six months before the marathon,
14:08 there are some things you should start eating,
14:10 and some things you should stop eating
14:12 just to get your body physically prepared
14:14 for marathon.
14:15 And the very things they tell you shouldn't eat
14:18 are some of the things
14:19 we shouldn't be putting in our bodies anyway.
14:21 So instead of saying,
14:22 "This is what you shouldn't eat,
14:23 this is what you shouldn't eat."
14:25 This is the proactive look at how our bodies operate
14:28 and say, "If you gonna run a race,
14:30 then this is what you need to be doing."
14:31 And since we're in a race for our lives
14:33 and for a race for our souls,
14:35 hey, that's why diet, not diet restrictions,
14:39 but those things that in hit that,
14:41 that promote good health
14:42 are foremost part of what it goes on.
14:45 That's what we need to be taking in,
14:47 all the good stuff.
14:48 Exactly. Yes, yes.
14:51 What are some of the responses that you've had?
14:54 It's interesting, I had one lady
14:57 who looked over and she said, "You know something,
14:58 I don't even like sports,
15:00 but I started reading your book,
15:01 I really liked it," and she said,
15:04 "Wow, I think the Holy Ghost was looking over your shoulder
15:07 when you were writing that book."
15:08 And I laughed at it
15:10 and then I thought about it, I said, "You know something?"
15:11 I think she was right,
15:12 because you know when something is driven by God,
15:16 that when you finish writing
15:18 and then you look at it two, three days later, you say,
15:20 "Wow, did I write that?"
15:21 And I found myself saying that a couple of times
15:24 because of just the way in which the inspiration
15:26 kind of flowed.
15:28 But more importantly,
15:29 it really creates an opportunity
15:31 to really hit people
15:32 that we typically don't get in our churches.
15:35 And in fact, frankly,
15:36 one of the things that got me started on the book
15:38 was, we were doing,
15:41 feeding homeless
15:43 and we used to feed the homeless
15:44 every second Sunday of the month.
15:46 And I was... as the elder of the group,
15:49 I would go and give devotional thought
15:50 and they say, "You know, Elder Dozier, please, go in
15:52 and give a devotional thought before we eat."
15:55 Now if you go into a men's homeless shelter
15:57 on a Sunday afternoon,
15:58 you know what the guys are doing,
16:00 they're watching sports.
16:01 Whatever it is,
16:02 they're watching golf, basketball,
16:04 they're watching sports.
16:05 And I found myself having to turn off the television,
16:08 say, "Now, this is what the Bible said."
16:10 And some said, "You know, that's not the way to do this."
16:13 And that became the inspiration
16:15 for going forward and promoting the book.
16:17 And as a result,
16:18 the flow worked out very nicely
16:21 in terms of being able to segue
16:23 between some of the things there in the Bible
16:25 and things that we confront on a everyday basis.
16:27 Nice.
16:28 Now you've also been able to do some,
16:31 an evangelistic series as a result, correct?
16:34 Yes.
16:35 Last year at the North America division pastoral conference.
16:42 I had a booth there, while I was there,
16:44 a couple bought a book the night before.
16:47 I think, they were from Georgia-Cumberland Conference.
16:49 They came back and says,
16:50 "Hey, we were reading this thing last night,
16:51 you got to put together a series on this."
16:54 And as a result,
16:55 I put together a seven-day series
16:58 on the Gospel According to Sports
17:00 that's designed to do an evangelistic outreach
17:03 to the people who typically are not in our church,
17:06 primarily, men.
17:08 And so it's designed to present the gospel
17:10 in a way that's proactive
17:12 and that's specifically identifies
17:15 those kind of things that are relevant to men.
17:19 And what kind of information have you gathered
17:22 in correlation to men and their church attendance?
17:26 I found that in terms of doing some research,
17:28 there was on any given weekend
17:30 and this is some from the U.S Census department,
17:32 they said, "On any given weekend,
17:34 13 million more women go to church than men."
17:38 And they referred to that as weekend widows.
17:40 13 million!
17:42 13 million more women go to church than men.
17:44 They found that a lot of men say they believe in God,
17:47 but they don't attend church.
17:49 There are also some stats that indicated that
17:53 in most churches,
17:54 there are programs that have either women's ministry
17:57 or children's ministry,
17:58 but less than or about 10%
18:01 have relevant men's ministry programs,
18:03 so as a result,
18:05 it just doesn't really relate to church attendance for men.
18:09 There was one pastor, who did a broadcast,
18:12 and a lot of churches have broadcasted their sermons,
18:14 you know, their messages.
18:16 But one weekend,
18:17 he decided to put the camera behind the rostrum,
18:20 and so afterwards he looked out to what he had recorded.
18:23 And he looked at it and he realized
18:24 that the men were sitting kind of lethargically there,
18:27 while the women were very engaged
18:28 and involved in sermons.
18:30 He realized
18:31 that he was preaching more to the women than to the men.
18:34 So the challenge
18:35 of what the Gospel According to Sports is
18:37 and putting the evangelism series
18:39 that I put together
18:40 is designed to reach men what's relevant for them,
18:44 where they respond in a way that's proactive,
18:47 that's positive
18:48 and it contributes and empowers their lives.
18:50 So in a sense, like how,
18:54 when Jesus would speak to people,
18:56 He would use different parables
19:00 or He would talk about being a shepherd to shepherds
19:04 or He would talk about being a fishermen to fishermen.
19:10 Is that along the lines
19:12 of what's going on in the book as well?
19:15 Exactly. And I think it's more than just a gimmick.
19:18 Some people think of that
19:19 the Gospel According to Sports is kind of a gimmick,
19:21 just to get them in the door.
19:23 But it shouldn't be a rubber band event.
19:25 You know, a rubber band, you stretch it out
19:26 and it goes back,
19:27 but it shouldn't be a rubber band event,
19:29 that if you make messages relevant to men
19:32 and you make messages relevant
19:34 to the things that are important in their lives
19:36 and correlated to the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
19:39 not only will they participate, they will stay.
19:42 And the Bible illustrates the fact, that the fact that,
19:45 you know, we talk about in the Book of John 4,
19:52 that the woman at the well went told though, you know,
19:55 when she, when Jesus confronted her,
19:57 she ran to town and told the folk,
20:00 you know, I met a man,
20:02 now the only person she could go to were the men.
20:05 Obviously, the women weren't talking to her.
20:06 Yeah, yeah.
20:08 So she brought the men to Christ.
20:09 And when the men came to Christ,
20:11 these are men who may had issues of their own,
20:13 but as a result of their enthusiasm
20:15 and their involvement with Christ
20:16 and asking Him to stay three more days.
20:19 The Bible says, many people in town, as a result believed,
20:22 that's because of the enthusiasm of the woman,
20:25 but the evangelism of the men
20:27 that brought not just the men she knew,
20:28 but brought many people in that town to Christ.
20:31 And so therefore, when we reach men,
20:33 we can make our churches grow.
20:35 When we reach out to make sermons and messages
20:38 relevant towards reading the minds of men,
20:41 they would not only attend,
20:43 but they will bring others to Christ as well.
20:46 And so, how do you partner with the churches?
20:51 Well, one of the things
20:52 that is part of this whole evangelism outreach thing
20:55 is to go to church.
20:57 Had privilege of being able to go to a church
20:59 in Titusville, Florida, last year.
21:02 And we gave the message on sport fishing.
21:05 Now sport fishing is based on the fact
21:07 that there are three types of fishing.
21:08 Okay.
21:10 There's career fishermen,
21:11 those are the folk who like to disciples,
21:12 who make a career out of it.
21:14 Those are people who go out and hunt fish,
21:15 I mean, they're with big nets and with big devices nowadays
21:18 and hunt fish.
21:20 Then the recreational fishermen,
21:21 the recreational fishermen is the guy who goes out
21:23 just kind of stands out there with the friend
21:25 and have a good time.
21:27 But the sport fishermen
21:28 is the guy who knows to use the right lure
21:31 at the right time to get one kind of fish, bass.
21:35 And it's based on the bass fishing
21:37 that they're able to be successful.
21:39 And it works for you similar, if we can use the right lure
21:42 of the kinds of things that relate to men,
21:45 you will get men.
21:48 So one of the first things you do,
21:50 when I put together is a message on bass fishing
21:53 or sport fishing.
21:54 And then I outline a series of seven messages
21:58 that relate to men.
22:00 And one of the messages is called the fan.
22:03 And that message
22:05 the participants are invited to wear the jersey
22:09 of their favorite team, regardless of what it is,
22:12 and the challenge is,
22:13 can you be as loyal to Christ
22:16 as you are today to jersey that you have on?
22:20 That's good, speaks to priorities.
22:22 Right, it speaks to the fact that,
22:25 I heard somebody saying once that, you know,
22:28 if you are not a disciple of Jesus Christ,
22:30 you're just a fan.
22:31 And I thought about, I'm just like, wait a minute,
22:32 some of the most ardent supporters I've ever met
22:35 are loyal fans who with it, win, lose or draw.
22:40 And when we're with Christ,
22:42 even when the team doesn't seem like is winning,
22:46 Christ ultimately wins
22:47 and so the loyalty is encouraged,
22:51 not to abandon loyalty to your favorite team.
22:54 Yeah. Don't be a bandwagon.
22:56 Yeah, don't be a... after the superbowl,
22:58 how many people suddenly put on
22:59 New England Patriot's uniforms.
23:01 After the club winning world series,
23:02 how many people started wearing clubs uniforms all of a sudden.
23:05 The loyal fan is the fan as they are all the time.
23:09 Absolutely.
23:11 So tell us more about some of the points
23:14 that you are making in regards to the Bible?
23:18 Well, one of the things in the segment on hockey,
23:23 one of the things we talk about,
23:25 I put in the book is
23:26 the fact that we often feel that when we're in life
23:31 that we're being bombarded,
23:33 and I use the metaphor, the analogy of the goaltender,
23:38 who in hockey is got a lot of mask and stuff on it,
23:41 it's almost like to say, the full armor of Christ,
23:44 except you get all this armor on.
23:47 And I say, you know,
23:48 can you imagine trying to stop a puck by Sid Crosby
23:53 without protection?
23:55 It would be deadly.
23:57 Similar, we can't stop the temptations of the devil
24:00 unless we're fully protected.
24:02 But the reality is not only we'll be able to stop him,
24:05 the reality is, it's a power play,
24:08 you know, hockey has a power play,
24:10 in life, it's a power play.
24:12 Except the power play is on our side.
24:14 We had the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit
24:16 and the devil's just on one side,
24:18 only one third of the angels were taken out.
24:20 So it's a power play.
24:22 And you got a power play, you have the advantage.
24:25 Okay. Okay.
24:27 And what famous athletes
24:32 have read this book?
24:34 Well, in the Referee section,
24:36 a copy of book was given to Ed Hochuli,
24:40 who is a NFL referee,
24:42 enjoyed the book.
24:44 And there was a former NFL receiver,
24:46 I think his name was Ray Hall,
24:48 who really identified with the football segment.
24:52 And then there's also a segment for women,
24:56 there's a segment in it called Dedicated Women in Sports.
25:00 And even though
25:02 lest we think only men are involved in sports,
25:04 women are great sports fans too.
25:06 And one of the segment deals with women,
25:08 women in sports,
25:09 both dedicated mother and dedicated athlete.
25:12 And it reflects on the life of athletes,
25:15 particularly women in the WNBA.
25:17 We often think about NBA players
25:19 was being high paid sports, you know, super stars,
25:23 but in WNBA, in 2012,
25:27 the average salary
25:29 for three year vested in athlete in the WNBA
25:32 was only $75,000 a year.
25:34 Wow!
25:35 So therefore, when those young ladies,
25:37 who have children and many of them do,
25:40 they have to not only go on a rope
25:41 but they had to carry the children with,
25:43 they don't have like entourage of nurses
25:45 or something do, yeah, but do that.
25:46 And in the book I talk about the life of Tina Thomson
25:50 who had a child, literally raised her child
25:53 while playing in NBA... WNBA.
25:56 And so she was both the mother and a athlete.
25:58 And the correlation is we can have full plates
26:01 and still be able to serve the Lord.
26:05 Nothing should keep us so busy and keep us away from God,
26:11 we have to make our relationship with God
26:12 a priority. Exactly.
26:14 Yes.
26:15 And give us, we have a short amount of time,
26:18 give us one more,
26:20 one more correlation between
26:23 the Gospel According to Sports and the Bible.
26:26 In the boxing section,
26:28 I talk about a guy named John Tate,
26:31 who when, I think it was 1998,
26:33 became the heavy weight champion of the world.
26:35 And he went out to defend his title.
26:38 And his corner
26:40 he got head in different rounds,
26:42 he was really heading rounds
26:43 and I was, actually I gave this story
26:44 when I was doing a men's conference
26:46 up in Canada.
26:47 And he was heading the rounds
26:49 and he's caught on one thing,
26:51 you're head, stay away from the last round,
26:54 stay away from him,
26:56 but he wanted to punctuate his fight with the knockout,
26:59 so the last round, he got too close for too long,
27:03 for too longer period of time
27:04 and he got knocked out.
27:06 But not only did he get knocked out,
27:08 he lost his title and his career,
27:10 never ever recovered.
27:12 The bottom line is when the Holy Spirit,
27:14 and when our corner tells us something,
27:16 do we listen?
27:19 Or do we ignore it?
27:22 And get knocked out. Yup.
27:23 'Cause that's the result.
27:26 That's a humbling experience.
27:27 It can be quite a humble thing,
27:28 the humiliating experience sometime.
27:30 Absolutely.
27:31 Well, based on the response that you have,
27:34 are you working on another project?
27:36 Well, right now,
27:38 because of one of the things people asked about the book,
27:40 I'm putting together something called "Game plan".
27:43 So as the Gospel According to Sports,
27:44 "Game Plan" with a Q&A for discussion groups
27:48 and individual development for individuals
27:50 and hopefully go on to the next one called
27:52 Gospel According to The Sports, The Next Level.
27:54 Nice. Well, thank you so much for joining us.
27:56 It's been my pleasure.
27:57 And thank you for joining us.
27:59 Remember, with Christ you can gain the victory.


Revised 2017-03-20