Participants: Jason Bradley (Host), Raymond King
Series Code: UBR
Program Code: UBR000237A
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00:01 Is there a hidden agenda
00:02 when it comes to sexuality in our society? 00:04 Stay tuned to find out. 00:06 My name is Jason Bradley. 00:07 And you are watching Urban Report. 00:36 Hello, and welcome to Urban Report. 00:38 Today, my guest is Raymond King, 00:40 CEO of Securing Hope Ministries, 00:43 speaker and author. 00:44 His latest book 00:46 what every Adventist should know about, 00:47 GLBTQ, The Call For Radical Ministry 00:51 is the focus of today's program. 00:53 Welcome to Urban Report, Raymond. 00:54 Thank you for having me. Oh, man. 00:57 We have a lot to cover in a short amount of time. 00:58 Yes, sir. 01:00 Now tell us a little bit about you. 01:04 Were you always Adventist growing up? 01:07 No, I'm first generation know Adventist, 01:11 been Adventist going on 39 plus years. 01:15 And actually married my wife who was born into the church. 01:20 But I have been involved in the church 01:24 and have not looked back. 01:27 Okay, okay. 01:28 And how did you come to the Lord? 01:30 How did you become Adventist? 01:31 Actually, my parents made us go to church 01:36 when we were younger but as I grew older, 01:41 I realized I wasn't getting anything out of it. 01:45 And so when the directions of going to church 01:50 was no longer mandatory, I didn't go 01:52 because the way I feel was, 01:55 I wasn't getting anything out of it. 01:56 And the Lord knew, so who was I going to impress. 02:00 However, I was invited 02:02 to my wife's church in Greensboro. 02:05 And what really impressed me was the fact that 02:10 I saw so many men involved. 02:12 And for whatever reason 02:13 and I can't even to the date tell you 02:16 why that is what got me at least interested 02:20 in the church per se. 02:23 But really what made the difference was 02:26 me been introduced to the Spirit of Prophecy. 02:29 And when I started to read, I guess, 02:34 the scale fell from my eyes and I saw things 02:38 as they really are, and it made a difference. 02:41 And once the Lord convicted me, I yielded to that conviction 02:45 and the rest is history. 02:47 Nice, nice. 02:49 And so tell us a little bit about your ministry? 02:51 How did that come about? 02:53 My wife and I had the privilege of meeting 02:57 with some young people in our home every Friday 02:59 for about two and half years. 03:01 It was teenagers and young adults. 03:03 And we discussed a lot of information 03:05 and it really was the joy 03:08 because we were able to discuss things 03:12 in a manner that generated dialogue. 03:15 Make a long story short, 03:16 because our subject matter was so varied, 03:19 toward the end of that the Holy Spirit impressed me 03:22 to challenge them of getting involved 03:25 with a activity themselves. 03:27 And so we suggested that we do a abstinence program 03:33 or abstinence workshop for the youth underneath them. 03:37 And they embraced it, 03:39 and everybody had the chance of selecting a subject. 03:42 And because of my medical background, 03:44 I chose to do my presentation on STDs. 03:48 And so I did my research and when I found out 03:53 how big a issue that was, it just changed my life. 03:57 And that led me to write in a book entitled 04:02 "Sex, Satan, and the Church: Exposing the Lie", 04:04 and that book essentially is what's my ministry now 04:09 over 17 years ago. 04:11 Wow, wow. 04:13 And now, I mean, when you turn on television, 04:15 well, besides Christian television, 04:18 you see that sex sells, you know, 04:19 you see sex advertised everywhere basically. 04:22 No matter what product it is, 04:24 there's usually some gorgeous woman 04:27 that's scantily clothed or some super muscular guy 04:33 or something like that, 04:35 that would be appealing to the ladies 04:36 selling the products. 04:38 I typically agree was sex did not solely corrupt. 04:42 Sex is a... 04:45 It's feed it to the flesh. 04:48 And if you look at our culture, 04:51 whatever feeds the flesh or please the flesh, 04:54 that's where you see the money, alcohol, 04:57 drugs, all that kind of things that feed the flesh. 05:00 And so what we are actually seeing is corruption 05:04 or a culture that is constantly feeding the flesh, 05:08 and people who have not overcome the flesh 05:10 of course are now being drawn into that. 05:13 And we also see a culture that has strayed so far away 05:17 from biblical truth. 05:18 More than you know. 05:20 More than you know. It's shocking. 05:21 Now, you wrote this book 05:23 and I'm going to hold it up here, 05:25 "What Every Adventist Should Know About GLBTQ: 05:28 The Call for Radical Ministry." 05:30 Tell us about this book? 05:33 It's a book that was very difficult to write 05:37 because it had me focus on how far we have strayed. 05:44 And the sad reality is, the enemy has done a good job 05:49 in introducing what I call the counterfeit sexuality. 05:53 GLBTQ, gay, lesbian, transgender, bisexual, Q, 06:00 questioning, and they're adding to those letters all the time. 06:06 Now why did you choose the GLBTQ 06:11 as opposed to the LGBTQ? 06:13 Because when this movement started, 06:16 G was always upfront. 06:18 As a matter of fact, 06:20 there's a organization called GLSEN, 06:22 Gay Lesbian Educational Network. 06:26 They are a network that's in most high school 06:30 throughout America and what they are doing, 06:32 they're bringing together what they call straight gay, 06:36 gay now, not lesbian but gay students to embrace 06:41 and to celebrate diversity 06:43 and acceptance of this counterfeit sexuality. 06:47 Another organization called GLAD 06:52 and this organization that is supportive 06:55 of this counterfeit sexuality. 06:57 It's really interesting, those that are supportive 07:02 of this counterfeit are constantly changing. 07:06 What people don't realize, years and years ago 07:09 when the so called HIV was first recognized in America, 07:15 it was called GRID, 07:17 Gay-Related Immunodeficiency Disease 07:22 because it started in the homosexual community. 07:26 But again, to be deceptive and keep the attention off 07:31 of where it should have been, they changed the name 07:33 from GRID to HIV. 07:36 So the reason I have GLBTQ is because that's what 07:40 is originally focused or that was the letter 07:44 that was first used to identify this community. 07:47 And instead of changing like everybody else is changing, 07:50 I want to remain true to what the original acronym was. 07:54 Okay. 07:56 Now you talked about the counterfeit, 07:59 what's the genuine? 08:02 The Bible says, Christ says that in the beginning, 08:05 God made man, and male and female. 08:09 Male and female, two gender, binary gender structure. 08:16 Throughout the Bible, you see it over and over again. 08:20 Man can leave his mother and father, male and female, 08:23 and cleave into his wife, female 08:25 and they two shall become one flesh. 08:27 And then He said, "Be fruitful and multiply, 08:29 bring forth offspring after your kind, 08:31 male and female. 08:33 The counterfeit is introducing a whole different structure. 08:37 As a matter of fact, our students across the country 08:41 in different school systems are told, 08:43 there is no such thing as male and female. 08:47 They are told that there are 08:48 as many as 63 different genders. 08:52 And when I say that, people eyes pop out 08:54 but it's so sad because the enemy is trying to destroy 09:00 the binary structure that God had intended. 09:02 And so I submit that any structure, 09:06 or any combination, any activity 09:09 that is unlike what God has already ordained 09:13 is the counterfeit. 09:14 And we know that Satan is the great counterfeiter. 09:16 Everything that God has created, 09:17 he's created a counterfeit. 09:19 And what's happening in our culture 09:20 is we're not only embracing the counterfeit, 09:24 we are forcing it on our children. 09:26 We are forcing it on people to accept it. 09:29 In some jurisdictions, if you don't accept it, 09:33 you actually would be criminalized. 09:35 And as we get closer to Christ's return, 09:37 I submit to you that it's gonna become more and more 09:41 a issue of following the law of man 09:44 or following the dictates of God. 09:46 As a matter of fact, in Canada, 09:50 you can't preach a sermon regarding, 09:54 what I call biblical sexuality, identifying the right, 09:57 identifying the norm because they call it hate speech. 10:00 And you can actually be convicted of being a criminal 10:04 in Canada and other jurisdiction 10:06 even in United States because of again, 10:08 us embracing what I call the counterfeit. 10:11 Which is a very scary thing. 10:13 And, you know what, I find it interesting 10:14 that if we were to go somewhere and we were called the N word, 10:18 I don't think people would get arrested for that. 10:21 No, especially if... 10:25 It's one of us. 10:27 You know, in the black community, 10:29 they say it's a term of endearment, 10:33 no derogatory term is a term of endearment. 10:37 But in these last days, the Bible says, 10:40 "They will call good evil, and evil good." 10:43 And so the reason that this thing is so serious 10:46 is because as you said, there's certain terms 10:48 we can use that we would not be considered 10:50 to be criminals but... 10:53 Just recently I read article 10:56 where this young child 11:00 identified or addressed this other child 11:03 based upon that child's birth agenda. 11:07 However, that child is not identifying 11:12 as his birth agenda so instead of the child 11:17 who's doing the right thing calling that child a male, 11:22 they wanted him to call child a female. 11:25 Because the child called that child as he should, 11:29 that child was sent to the principal and chastised 11:32 because of speaking the truth. 11:34 And that's the culture that our children 11:36 are being brought up in. 11:38 As a matter of fact, 11:40 I'm from Greensboro, North Carolina. 11:41 And in Charlotte, that's where this transgender situation 11:48 really blew up. 11:50 In the school system, there, the teachers 11:54 and the administrators are told not to call the children 11:58 male or female anymore, 12:00 to call them students or scholars. 12:03 Because they say that they do not want 12:06 to arbitrarily call a male or a female, 12:10 a male or female but call that male or female 12:13 might identify as being the opposite gender. 12:16 And that's becomes very confusing. 12:18 And we know that in the Bible, 12:20 it says that God is not the author of confusion. 12:22 And kids are already confused enough as it is, 12:26 trying to figure out, you know, who they are, 12:29 trying to figure out their feelings, 12:31 et cetera, et cetera. 12:33 And I find it interesting that these public schools 12:35 can push this on our kids 12:38 but they can't teach about Christianity. 12:40 Well, again, I tell people that the Bible says, 12:43 "We wrestle not against flesh and blood, 12:44 this is a demonic agenda again to destroy the family," 12:47 going back to that agenda. 12:49 The devil knows that if he can create a generation 12:53 that not only does not accept the binary gender structure 12:57 but rebelled against it, 12:59 then he is actually creating a society 13:02 that it's not accepting him. 13:04 It's really interesting, I tell people 13:08 that before sin entered into the world, 13:11 there were three institutions that God really ordained, 13:13 and I call His perfect will. 13:15 It was the family, it was the marriage, 13:17 it was the Sabbath. 13:19 Satan is actually trying to attack all three. 13:24 He knows however in order for him 13:26 to really affect the Sabbath worship, 13:32 he first must affect the family. 13:35 And in order to affect the family, 13:38 he must change marriage. 13:40 So he's already successful 13:43 in the United States of America. 13:46 The Supreme Court actually putting into law, 13:50 it's okay for two men or two women to get married. 13:52 So now marriage has been attacked and conquered. 13:57 Now he's slowly moving into the family 13:59 where you can have two daddies or two mothers. 14:03 And what is so scary is 14:06 we're living in the culture right now 14:09 where they're teaching our children, 14:11 those who may come from a traditional family 14:14 that their family is not the only kind of family. 14:18 And they're doing it so artfully 14:21 that our kids are confused because again 14:25 when you hear something over and over again 14:28 frequently enough, you embrace it. 14:31 And when it comes to the church now, 14:34 providing a counter balance or the information 14:36 that will help them not to embrace this law, 14:39 you hear a very little about it. 14:41 And so Satan is really successful in doing 14:43 what he's trying to do 14:44 and that's to destroy the family. 14:46 That whole thing in and of itself is scary because, 14:50 you know, the Bible is what we're supposed to go by, 14:52 that's supposed to be our moral compass, 14:54 that's supposed to be our guide. 14:55 The Lord gave us those instructions 14:58 and principles for our benefit. 15:01 And, you know, if we just go with what society does. 15:06 Society's ideas of right and wrong 15:08 is constantly changing. 15:10 You know, what's wrong today might be right tomorrow, 15:14 what's right today might be wrong tomorrow. 15:17 And so that's a very slippery slope. 15:19 It's interesting, you expected in society 15:23 but you don't expect in the church. 15:25 Yes. 15:26 What's happening, the church, there're churches, 15:28 there're denominations who are embracing, 15:32 I'll give you example. 15:35 Many people know that President Barrack Obama 15:38 was one that championed the acceptance of era 15:43 when it comes to the family in sexuality. 15:46 And they made the statement that, 15:48 "Well, he did it 15:49 because he is the president of everybody, 15:52 he's supposed to represent everybody." 15:54 You know, I tell people to dig a little deeper 15:56 because the church he came from is UCC, 15:59 United Church of Christ. 16:02 And if you do your research, you will find out that, 16:05 that entire denomination, not just a church, 16:08 not just his congregation 16:09 but entire denomination embraces the law 16:12 about God being the author 16:15 and the creator of homosexuality. 16:18 And so the reason President Obama did what he did 16:23 for that agenda and for that movement 16:24 was because that's all he's ever heard in 20 years. 16:28 Twenty years, he has been in the church, 16:30 that's what he's been taught. 16:31 And many people's religious ideology 16:37 is unfortunately based upon what they hear 16:39 the pastor preaching as opposed to what they've read. 16:42 And so my whole point is we have a whole denomination 16:45 and there are other denominations 16:47 that have embraced this lie. 16:49 You now have people in darkness, 16:51 they see where this Christian says okay, 16:54 and this Christian says it's not, 16:56 who are you going to believe? 16:58 And so even the Bible has lost its legitimacy, 17:03 and lot of people are in darkness 17:05 because there are people who profess Christianity 17:07 that they've embraced again this demonic agenda. 17:10 Yeah, and you see people taking bits and pieces 17:14 and trying to use the Bible to fit their lifestyle 17:18 as opposed to patterning or shaping their lifestyle 17:22 after the Bible. 17:23 Exactly, exactly. 17:25 How can parents and church leaders 17:27 prevent the realization of the goals of those 17:30 behind this agenda when it comes to their child 17:32 and children in any given congregation? 17:34 Well, first of all, we must understand 17:37 that we're living in a day again 17:38 where they're calling good evil, and evil good, 17:41 I tell people that I believe sexuality 17:43 is the most successful weapon against the body of Christ 17:49 which means that we can no longer remain ignorant 17:52 about sexuality. 17:55 I call it biblical sexuality. God created sexuality. 17:59 He said it's good, it's a blessing for mankind 18:04 but because we don't talk about it, 18:06 because we don't know about it, 18:08 and because we've embraced the counterfeit, 18:10 we are ashamed to talk about it. 18:12 We put it in a closet. 18:14 And therefore, our children are being growing up, 18:19 being educated by the world. 18:21 I know when I came up, my parents didn't say 18:23 anything to me about sexuality. 18:25 I learned it from the boys in the hood. 18:27 The Bible says that blind were leading the blind. 18:30 We all fell in the ditch. 18:31 But what if the churches started 18:34 to bring sexuality to the forefront, 18:36 I tell people, "Sexuality, 18:38 it is much a spiritual awareness 18:42 as tithe and offering, as the Sabbath itself 18:46 because the first commandment God gave to humanity 18:49 was sexual, be fruitful, and multiply." 18:53 And so, it's tied into a lot of knowing God, 18:58 it's tied into a lot of what God's intent for humanity is. 19:02 And what we've done, the biggest mistake we've done 19:05 is we remain silent about it, but yet we send our kids 19:09 to the public school to be educated about it. 19:11 And I ask parents, "Would you send your child 19:13 to be educated about baptism to the public school? 19:16 Would you send your child to the public school 19:18 to be educated about salvation?" 19:20 They said, "No, I wouldn't do that." 19:22 I said, "Why are you sending your child to the school 19:24 to be educated about sexuality?" 19:25 It's a spiritual education. 19:27 And so we as Christian parents and we as Christian leaders 19:32 should not allow our kids to be taught anything 19:36 about sexuality in the public schools 19:39 because the public schools have been hijacked 19:41 and it's a demonic agenda 19:44 to change the morality in America 19:47 by changing the moral compass on our kids 19:49 through the sexual education process. 19:51 There's a lot that I don't have time 19:53 to talk about right now but the bottom line is, 19:57 there are organization who are funded 19:59 by United States' government to introduce error 20:03 to the sexual education curriculums 20:07 that will change their attitude about virginity, 20:11 change their attitude about gender, 20:13 change their attitude about sexuality altogether. 20:16 And they know that if they can get 20:19 our younger generation to embrace error, 20:22 that then when they become parents, 20:24 they're now creating a demonic generational curse 20:29 of people that are going to be in darkness. 20:30 For example, most millennials when asked the question 20:34 about homosexuality and same gender relationship, 20:38 they said nothing wrong with it. 20:39 The reason being, because the indoctrination 20:43 that is in the public school has been successful. 20:46 People have no idea... 20:48 I have one video where it's shown, 20:52 the school system invited this organization to come in 20:55 and teach to their children, these are elementary kids, 20:58 and a man tells them, you know, a gender is not about 21:01 how you look, gender is about what's up here. 21:04 He says, "Sometimes, you may feel like being a boy, 21:08 sometimes you may feel like being a girl, 21:10 sometimes you may feel like being both, 21:11 or sometimes you may feel like being neither. 21:13 He's teaching those kids there. 21:15 And so my point is, you say, what can be done, 21:18 or what might be done? 21:20 We must bring the sexuality back to the forefront. 21:22 We must preach and teach it as if our life depended on it, 21:26 and we must eliminate our kids being taught 21:29 by those that are in error 21:31 because if we don't stop doing what we're doing, 21:34 our kids are going to be lost. 21:36 And some of them will never turn their way back 21:37 to what it's all supposed to be. 21:38 Man, man. 21:40 And I think it's important to point out too 21:43 that God loves us, 21:48 He loves the sinner but He hates the sin. 21:51 So, you know, a lot of times people think 21:53 that when the church speaks out against homosexuality 21:57 or the practice of homosexuality, 21:59 not the homosexual 22:01 but the practice of homosexuality. 22:04 Same with heterosexuality, you know, promiscuity, 22:07 we're not supposed to have sex before marriage, you know. 22:10 Everything, it is supposed to be 22:11 within the confines of what's outlined in the Bible. 22:16 So there's heterosexual sin as well. 22:19 So you know, I just like to put that out there like, 22:22 God loves each and everyone of us 22:25 and that He doesn't like... 22:28 It's like if your child was a thief, 22:31 you would still love your child but you would hate the fact 22:34 that your child was a thief. 22:36 You'd hate the act of stealing. 22:39 You know, we love the people, it's just the act, 22:43 we can't condone sin. We don't embrace sin. 22:46 Let's go little further. 22:48 I tell people of the causing effect. 22:51 Most people with same gender attraction, 22:53 that's not the problem. 22:55 It's a symptom of the problem. 22:57 According to the statistics, most people 23:00 who have same gender attraction, 23:02 or individuals who are broken, 23:04 individual who molested as a child, 23:07 and that molestation had never been resolved. 23:09 I tell people, "When someone had the same gender attraction, 23:12 don't even worry about that. 23:14 Try to figure out what caused it, 23:16 because if you deal with the cause, 23:18 you eliminate the symptom. 23:21 Yes, the activity... 23:23 That's like medicine too. 23:24 Exactly, the activity or the activity of sodomy 23:28 or what have you, yes, that is a sin 23:31 but what we really need to focus on, 23:34 why did the person think like that? 23:35 What caused them to be like that? 23:37 You know, the tender lie that people are born like that. 23:40 If people were born like that, not one person 23:43 who ever profess to have same gender attraction 23:47 could ever come out of that. 23:48 I've talked to too many people 23:50 who have said that, 23:51 "I once was blind but now I see. 23:54 I was once bound but now I'm free." 23:56 I've talked to too many people 23:57 who spent years in that lifestyle, 24:01 but they said, once I realize what the cause was, 24:04 and God helped me to eliminate that root, 24:07 the whole activities and the whole desire 24:10 started to melt away. 24:12 And so I submit that, one of the things 24:14 I'm putting the book is, "A Call for Radical Ministry", 24:17 we must be the point of reference for deliverance, 24:22 the point of reference for freedom for people. 24:25 And the problem with the church is because we are so deficit 24:29 in our understanding, 24:31 not only do we at times enable that activity, 24:36 but in other areas we actually drive people 24:39 away unnecessarily because instead of being 24:42 in the healing balm that God has made us to be, 24:44 we actually become a deterrent. 24:46 And that's all because of ignorance. 24:47 So, yes, God does hate the sin, but more importantly, God said, 24:53 "I not only forgive your sin but more importantly 24:55 I'm going to cleanse you from all unrighteousness." 24:58 And so God wants us to dig deep to find out 25:01 what the cause is 25:02 and once we start dealing with the cause, 25:04 we eliminate again the problem. 25:06 Amen. 25:07 So would you say 25:09 that this issue is not being taken seriously? 25:14 It's not because people don't understand 25:16 what the real agenda is. 25:18 The real agenda is not really whether not someone 25:20 had the same gender attraction or whether someone feel like 25:23 they are male and they're really a female, 25:25 that's not the real agenda. 25:26 Real agenda is the demonic movement 25:28 to destroy the family. 25:30 Satan again knows if he can disrupt God's plan in anyway, 25:35 and see, people don't understand 25:37 God is so wise, He's so perfect 25:40 that there is no lean to the left or to the right 25:43 if we want to expect the optimum result. 25:45 God said, "My plan, it cannot be improved on, 25:48 it don't need any adjustment, any modification." 25:50 Satan knows if he modify just a little bit, 25:53 the whole plan starts to go around. 25:56 What's interesting, the Bible said, 25:59 there's nothing new under the sun. 26:01 And so we've not seen anything that have not been 26:05 but we're now being privy to see 26:09 what generation upon generation of iniquity 26:13 that's embraced will start to wind up being. 26:16 And so my whole point of reference is this. 26:19 The real agenda is how can we as the body of Christ 26:25 profess the truth enough that will keep families 26:29 from being victim of this agenda. 26:32 I'm giving one of really scary thing. 26:34 Every same gender relationship 26:39 will end that family tree. 26:42 When you look at chronicle, you see God was 26:43 so specific about he begot he, he begot. 26:46 God is a God that values the family tree, 26:50 defend the family lineage. 26:52 Every same gender relationship ends that family lineage. 26:58 And as he's destroying generational, 27:02 he's destroying that family lineage, 27:03 he's destroying that family tree, 27:05 that's destruction. 27:06 And not only that, when you start thinking 27:09 about the actual non-fruitfulness 27:14 of same gender relationships. 27:16 In the book, I talk about how the elite who believe 27:22 they are in charge of making sure 27:25 the population of earth stays within a reasonable number, 27:28 there's point of a homosexuality, 27:30 they call and said, homosexuality is actually 27:32 a blessing to humanity. 27:34 They said that homosexuality is the lifestyle 27:39 that actually keeps 27:40 the human population from increasing. 27:43 Wow. So population control. Yes, sir. 27:47 I can't believe we've run out of time. 27:48 We're definitely going to have to do a part two. 27:50 Thank you so much for joining us. 27:51 Thanks for having me. All right. 27:53 Well, we've reached the end of another program. 27:56 Join us next time. 27:57 And remember, it just wouldn't be the same 27:59 without you. |
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