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00:02 why a former practitioner of acupuncture 00:04 left her practice 00:05 which had provided 95% of her income. 00:08 My name is Jason Bradley, 00:10 and you're watching Urban Report. 00:33 Hello and welcome to Urban Report. 00:35 My guest today is no stranger to the Dare to Dream Network. 00:38 In fact, she is the founder and consultant 00:41 for Dare to Dream. 00:42 She's also a retired diplomat of Oriental Medicine, 00:46 as well as a doctor of naturopathic medicine, 00:49 but my favorite title for her is my mom. 00:52 Welcome to Urban Report, Mom. 00:54 Thank you, Jay. 00:56 It's good to have you here. 00:57 Of course, you've been on Urban Report, 00:59 you host this program a lot of times. 01:02 Yeah. 01:03 And now you're sitting in the guest seat. 01:06 I know it's a little weird to be on this side. 01:08 You know what I mean like, 01:10 usually, I'm on that side or with you on that side 01:12 and now, I'm sitting over here by myself. 01:16 Well, I am not too far away. 01:18 And that's right. That's right. 01:19 So what made you decide to come on 01:21 and do this program today? 01:23 You know, Jay, ever since I came to 3ABN 01:27 and talked about my journey with acupuncture and all that, 01:32 several people have called in, they've asked, 01:35 should I go to an acupuncturist? 01:38 And or is there anything wrong with it? 01:40 What's wrong with it? 01:42 And I feel like God has been moving on me 01:45 to really explain what's wrong with it. 01:50 And I think that He allowed me to learn from the inside, 01:55 you know, to take the classes and learn what it's all about 02:00 so that I could share it and use this platform to do so. 02:03 So we can reach a lot of people 02:05 and explain just what is wrong with it. 02:09 Why, you know, why there are issues with it. 02:12 And so, that's why I decided to do this program 02:15 because I think there's so many people 02:16 who need to know, 02:18 and also out of love for my other practitioners 02:23 who were Christian. 02:26 I haven't really talked to them about it. 02:28 And I really think that using this platform 02:32 to share this information 02:34 will be enlightening to them as well. 02:36 So I'm doing this in love and concern, 02:40 and the desire to share 02:44 what is really behind traditional Chinese medicine. 02:49 Okay. 02:51 Now in the beginning, we alluded 02:52 or I alluded to the fact that 02:55 you gave up your practice 02:56 that made up 95% of your income. 03:00 Yes. 03:01 Why? 03:03 You know, Jay... 03:07 I guess when you get to be my age, 03:09 you have seen how God has led you. 03:13 And if God lets you know that you're supposed to do something 03:17 or not supposed to do something, 03:19 then you also know 03:21 that He's going to provide for you. 03:24 So when I realized what I was doing 03:29 as far as the acupuncture was concerned 03:31 and, you know, we'll explain that later. 03:33 But when I realized that God was telling me 03:37 to come out of it, 03:38 then I knew that He was gonna take care of me 03:42 because all along throughout my whole life, 03:46 He's taken care of me. 03:48 Whenever there's been any situation, anything, 03:52 any need, God has always provided. 03:54 So I knew that based on my history with God, 03:59 that He was gonna come through again. 04:01 So yes, it was a big move 04:03 because it was 95% of my income. 04:05 But I also knew that if I didn't obey Him, 04:11 that I could lose my salvation 04:14 because I would be in willful disobedience. 04:19 I knew He was telling me to come out of it, 04:21 and so that's what I did. 04:23 And He gave me anything, 04:26 any good thing in us comes from Him, 04:28 so He gave me the strength to come out of it. 04:31 So I'll just praise Him for that 04:33 'cause I ended up being here anyway. 04:35 Yeah. Yes, yes. 04:36 So that was a blessing. Yes. 04:38 Now I've known you my whole life. 04:40 Of course. 04:43 And you have been a lifetime student, 04:48 lifetime student. 04:49 I mean, every time I turned around 04:51 you were in school for something else. 04:53 I know. 04:54 I wouldn't be surprised if you got back in the school. 04:55 Oh, my goodness. 04:57 How did you get involved with alternative medicine? 05:00 Well, 05:02 okay, so I was singing professionally 05:07 and I had sung at a camp meeting. 05:10 And a lady just walked up to me, 05:13 and she gave me a little booklet. 05:15 And she said, "I just feel impressed to give this to you." 05:18 So she gave me the booklet. 05:20 And I said, "Thank you." 05:21 You know, people give you things all the time, 05:23 so I said, "Thank you so much." 05:24 And I took it home and I, actually I put in a drawer, 05:28 I don't even look at it really. 05:30 And then several months, it was months later, 05:33 and I open that drawer and I saw this booklet, 05:37 and it was on 05:39 the "Deleterious Effects of Sugar on the Body." 05:43 And... 05:44 Well, this sounds like 05:45 how you got into alternative ingredients 05:48 'cause we used to go to the store and you would pay. 05:50 I knew that if you picked up a box of cereal, 05:53 or if you picked up any anything that I wanted 05:56 to take home and eat, 05:58 you're going to put it back and find an alternative. 06:00 I know 'cause I was reading the ingredients, right? 06:02 Yes, yes. 06:03 Always read the ingredients, 06:05 so you know what you're getting. 06:07 So this booklet had information about sugar, 06:12 and what it does to the body. 06:13 And I thought, wow! 06:15 And I just began to read so, you know, how I love to read. 06:20 So I just began to study 06:23 and it's like the Lord put this passion 06:26 for natural health into my being. 06:32 And so I studied it, and then I began to take class, 06:35 you know, like being in school... 06:36 Yeah. 06:38 And so I started taking classes. 06:39 So I ended up... 06:42 I took naturopathic medicine. 06:44 Of course, I took... 06:45 I became a massage therapist, I studied Iridology, 06:49 a lot of new age kinds of things, 06:51 but it was a gradual thing. 06:54 Massage therapy, aromatherapy... 06:57 Reflexology. 06:59 Reflexology, Iridology. 07:02 And I became certified 07:04 in a lot of these different modalities. 07:07 And it's interesting because there were some modalities 07:12 that I recognized right off the bat. 07:14 Well, stay away from that, because like Reiki. 07:17 Reiki is a... 07:20 It's a modality that you should not go near, it's spiritualism. 07:25 What is it? 07:26 Reiki is a form of massage. 07:29 So the therapist, 07:32 actually, they go through a training, 07:37 and at the end of the training, 07:38 there's a ceremony called the attunement, 07:42 in which the trainer kind of says, 07:46 this kind of chant over people. 07:48 And I've actually heard Reiki practitioners say 07:51 they felt something come into them... 07:53 Wow! 07:55 At the attunement, after ceremony, 07:56 at the end of their training and they are... 08:01 It's supposed to be a healing thing 08:03 where the energy, 08:06 the healing energy comes into the hands, 08:08 and the hands are very hot. 08:10 And you also don't even have 08:12 to necessarily touch the client. 08:16 Your hands can just go over them. 08:19 And the energy is transferred from you to them. 08:24 Well, when I heard that I was like... 08:25 Yeah. No... 08:27 That's even dreadful. No, I think that's... 08:28 Yeah, that's a red flag, I'm not gonna deal with that. 08:31 But there are things like massage therapy is fine. 08:35 But then when you get off 08:37 into some of these alternative modalities 08:41 that are part of them, like you use massage. 08:45 In Reiki you use massage, 08:47 but it's got this whole spiritualistic aspect to it. 08:53 So I didn't deal with that at all. 08:56 But there were other things that I did do that I thought, 09:00 well, okay because one of the things 09:03 that Satan does is just gives you, 09:07 just a little bit, everything else is fine. 09:10 But there might just be a little something 09:12 that you kind of think... 09:14 No, no, about that, but everything else is fine. 09:18 You have to be really careful. 09:20 You know, 1 Timothy 4, let me read this 09:22 'cause this is what, 09:24 this is from the English Standard Version. 09:26 And it says, "Now the Spirit expressly says 09:29 that in later times some will depart from the faith 09:32 by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits 09:35 and teachings of demons." 09:37 And that's what is happening now. 09:40 We're getting as a church. 09:43 Many members of the churches are going to acupuncturists, 09:48 are going to take yoga. 09:50 They have no idea that yoga is connected to Hinduism, 09:54 you can't separate yoga from Hinduism. 09:57 So these are some of the things that you have to be aware of 10:01 because Satan is coming in the back door. 10:04 Yeah. He's good at that. 10:05 Yeah. He comes in the back door. 10:07 And it seems like it's fun, it's just stretching. 10:10 Yeah, that's what I hear people say. 10:11 Right. It's just stretching. 10:13 He said, "No." 10:14 It's stretching, breathing, meditation. 10:18 And it's not meditation on the word. 10:21 It's emptying your mind. 10:22 But that's another whole different subject. 10:26 These are the ways that the enemy is using 10:30 to get in to hurt people. 10:33 Did you have any red flags about TCM 10:36 or Traditional Chinese Medicine? 10:38 I did. I did... 10:40 Okay, so when I first went to the school, 10:44 it was a Dallas College of Oriental Medicine. 10:47 And when I first went there for the open house, 10:51 the gentleman who was conducting the open house 10:56 said that he was just talking about acupuncture, 11:00 Chinese medicine and also I asked him, 11:03 "Is this connected to Eastern religion?" 11:06 Because I knew that if he said yes, 11:10 that I couldn't do it. 11:12 You know, in other words, 11:13 you have to be a practitioner of Eastern medicine to do this, 11:18 that's what I was thinking. 11:19 So he said, "No. 11:20 No." 11:22 There are some elements of Taoism in it. 11:25 Taoism, it's TAI, but it's pronounced D, 11:30 so it's Taoism. 11:32 So Taoism is central 11:38 to TSM... 11:39 Oh, to TCM. 11:41 But it was like when he was talking about it, 11:47 it was as though it wasn't really that much a part of it. 11:52 So I thought, okay. 11:55 So that should have been red flag number one 11:57 at the open house. 11:59 It's got elements of another religion in it. 12:05 But I thought, well, 12:07 if you don't have to be that religion in order to do it, 12:10 then I'll do it because I really wanted to 12:15 have some clinical experience. 12:17 And that's why I went into that 12:20 because I was gonna get clinical supervision, 12:22 and experience in that kind of thing, 12:24 so that's why I decided to do that. 12:28 So that was red flag number one, then also, 12:32 I took a class called J ngzuo. 12:34 And with JA ngzuA you just kind of put your hand 12:38 under certain points on the client's body, 12:41 and you can just sit there, 12:43 but things get released in them. 12:45 And in the book, the book, the forward of the book 12:51 said that the information in this book 12:54 was given to the author by a spirit guide. 12:59 Wow. 13:00 So I said a spirit guide. 13:02 Oh, no, no, no, no, no. 13:04 So I went to the head of the school 13:06 and I said, "I'm a Christian. 13:09 This was given by a spirit guide." 13:12 So somehow he... 13:14 He rationalized... Yeah. 13:16 And reasoned his way out. 13:17 Exactly, and I wanted that 13:19 because I really didn't wanna like stop it. 13:21 Yeah. 13:22 But I knew that I couldn't just keep up 13:24 with that old spirit guide thing. 13:25 So that's another thing. 13:28 You know, we have to be willing, 13:33 and I'm talking about me. 13:36 We have to be willing, 13:37 as God is letting us know things. 13:40 We have to be willing to walk away from those things. 13:46 It's for our own good. 13:47 So yeah, those were two other signs, 13:51 but the first thing that... 13:55 Well, I'll tell you about that, I'll tell you about that later 13:57 because there are spiritualism involved too. 14:00 But those were the first signs 14:03 that some of the first signs of, 14:06 you know, red flags that I really should take a look 14:09 at what I'm doing. 14:11 There's also a point called the Shen Men, 14:14 why don't you talk about what that means? 14:16 Okay, so this is the point, 14:21 called the Shen Men. 14:22 And when I would needle that point, 14:27 people on my table... 14:28 This is after I went through school 14:30 and got board certified, 14:32 and all that, I was practicing. 14:34 I practiced for about four or five years, 14:38 acupuncture. 14:39 And I would do a particular protocol 14:43 and people who would come in with stress. 14:47 And you just, you know, 14:49 put the needles and put nice music, 14:51 I even prayed over my patients to the Lord 14:53 which is just now in retrospect, 14:55 I'm like, what in the world, Lord, 14:57 but, oh, Lord is so merciful. 14:59 But anyway, I even prayed over patients. 15:01 Because I was thinking 15:03 that I am not practicing Eastern religion, 15:06 I am a Christian. 15:09 And so I'm just asking the Lord to help this treatment 15:12 or whatever, which little bit wonky right now. 15:15 So they would lie on the table 15:19 and I would do this particular protocol 15:21 with the needles. 15:22 And when I come back, 15:24 like they could come in super stressed out 15:27 and just like, and when I would come back, 15:29 they would be relaxed, they'd say that they saw, 15:32 sometimes they would see a pattern of colors 15:36 going in a pattern around them 15:39 or they would kind of sense the energy moving and flowing. 15:45 Now... Yeah, that's weird. 15:47 That sounds like LSD or something, that is strange. 15:50 Well, you know, really, I should have known better. 15:54 I should have known better. 15:56 But again, you know, you close your eyes to things, 16:01 so I was thinking, well, this is just energy. 16:03 You know, this is energy moving and people are relaxed 16:08 and so that's great. 16:09 But, you know, it was just totally, 16:14 I was just so totally off base. 16:17 And I'm just so thankful that God showed me 16:20 what it was about. 16:22 So the Shen Men is the spirit gate. 16:25 That's what it means. Wow! 16:28 Spirit gate. 16:30 Now what's the gate? 16:32 An entrance. 16:33 And an exit. 16:35 And yes, yeah. 16:36 So things can come in, and things can go out. 16:40 So what would you say to, you know, people at home 16:43 because I often hear this too. 16:45 Well, it works, though, it works. 16:47 What would you say to that person? 16:49 You know, I once said that myself. 16:52 I said that to a friend of mine, who was, 16:55 who is a physician, a really dear friend, 16:58 and he was trying to let me know 17:00 that acupuncture was not the way 17:03 to go as a Christian. 17:04 And he said, "I don't doubt that it works. 17:08 But what's the power behind it?" 17:10 You remember when Moses was going to Pharaoh, 17:15 and he threw his rod down and it became a snake? 17:18 Yep. 17:19 And the magicians did the same thing. 17:22 You know, there are certain things 17:26 that Satan can do. 17:29 But Moses, the power behind Moses was, 17:34 of course God, 17:36 and the power behind the magician's was the enemy. 17:39 So He can mimic certain things, He can make you think 17:44 that his way is working, 17:47 but what is the power behind it? 17:50 That's what you have to ask yourself. 17:53 So you left your practice, 17:58 you ended up going to 3ABN, right? 18:01 Or did you still have your practice 18:03 while you went to 3ABN and did an interview? 18:05 Well, no. 18:07 I stopped my practice before I came to 3ABN. 18:11 I stopped practicing acupuncture in 2009. 18:16 Once I knew what it was, 18:18 and I need to tell you what it is, 18:20 just what's wrong with it? 18:22 Yes. 18:24 There are two things that you have to think about 18:26 when you're thinking about dealing with acupuncture. 18:29 The first is, Taoism. 18:31 It's based on Taoism, 18:33 which is a pantheistic religion. 18:37 Taoism believes 18:40 that everything flows in nature, 18:44 everything flows because of the Taoi. 18:47 The Taoi is the origin of the universe, 18:51 and it keeps things in order. 18:53 It's the way, that's the Taoi. 18:56 There's no omnipotent being that is in the heavens 19:00 according to Taoism. 19:02 And it has elements of spiritualism. 19:06 Man can become immortal, man can become deity, you know? 19:10 And so, those are some of the things 19:13 that you have to look at the root. 19:18 What's the root of acupuncture 19:20 and Traditional Chinese Medicine? 19:23 Taoism? 19:24 And Taoism is an old Eastern religion, 19:27 it's like over 2,500 years old, 19:29 and its focus 19:35 is on balance. 19:41 So everything should be in balance. 19:43 Like yang and... 19:45 The yin yang. Yin and yang? 19:47 Yin and Yang. 19:48 We actually have... 19:49 Yeah, we have a graphic of that. 19:51 We do. 19:52 And that's an important symbol. 19:54 If you look at it 19:55 and that's one of the main tenets 20:00 of Traditional Chinese Medicine, 20:02 one of the foundational principles 20:05 and beliefs in TCM is the idea of yin and yang. 20:10 If you notice, there is white in the black 20:15 and black in the white. 20:16 This signifies that there is yin and yang, 20:21 and there's yang and yin. 20:23 People say, yang, do not say yang. 20:25 It's yang. 20:26 That's why I let you go and say... 20:28 It's yin and yang. 20:32 They are... 20:34 The idea is that there's harmony and opposites. 20:37 They're actually not so much opposite, 20:40 as complimentary and interdependent. 20:44 So there's heat and cold, there's night and day, 20:48 there's good and evil. 20:52 Now let's just look at that. 20:56 Night turns into day. 20:58 So they're kind of, 20:59 they kind of roll into each other. 21:01 You balance heat and cold. 21:03 Too much cold out of balance, too much heat out of balance, 21:07 but good and evil. 21:09 Is there evil in God? 21:12 No. None. 21:14 Right. Yeah. 21:15 And that scripture. 21:16 Let's look at that scripture because it's in 1 John. 21:22 I have it. 21:23 I think we see just 21:26 'cause I really want to share that. 21:27 That's amazing how the Bible provides so much information 21:33 that applies to today. 21:35 Is it 1 John 1:5? 21:37 It is. Okay. 21:38 It is. Thank you. 21:40 "This is the message which we have heard from Him 21:44 and declare to you, 21:45 that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all." 21:51 This really contradicts yin and yang. 21:55 Yeah. 21:56 Because there's no evil in God, there's no darkness in God. 22:01 In Him is light. 22:03 He is perfection, right? 22:06 So there is that. 22:08 So that's one thing. 22:10 The other thing, 22:12 the other negative thing with TCM 22:16 and what's going on with that is astrology. 22:21 I never knew 22:23 that there were astrological relationships 22:29 in acupuncture, 22:31 I just didn't in the TCM, Traditional Chinese Medicine, 22:34 I just didn't put two and two together. 22:36 So when you talk about, 22:40 and I have another graphic that I want to share it, 22:44 so it's the Five Element chart. 22:47 The five elements, and yin and yang 22:49 are the basis of TCM theory. 22:54 The five elements and if you look at it, 22:56 it's wood, fire, earth, metal, and water, 23:01 those are the five elements. 23:03 Well, that just sounds like we know, 23:06 there's nothing to really think about, 23:08 but it's related to the planets, 23:12 so each of those elements has a planet. 23:15 So water, has mercury, wood has Jupiter, 23:20 fire has Mars, Earth has Saturn, 23:25 and metal, Venus. 23:27 So these five elements 23:29 represent five different qualities 23:32 of natural phenomena. 23:34 So it's all hooked into the planets, 23:38 the sun, 23:40 and let me go back to the way 23:44 the body is laid out according to TCM. 23:48 So there are 12 primary meridians 23:52 through which your body's vital energy 23:55 or chi passes through. 23:58 Okay, so that's sounds like okay, I can do with that. 24:02 But, and there are 361 points basically, 24:07 in which these meridians interconnect. 24:12 So there are 365 days in the year, right? 24:17 There are 12 houses of the zodiac. 24:21 So all of this... 24:24 So like zodiac signs and all of that stuff. 24:26 So think about it earth signs, 24:29 water signs, fire signs. 24:32 That's interesting. 24:34 It's all connected 24:36 to this whole TCM model. 24:40 I was wondering why when I was in school, 24:42 we had one of our professors 24:44 did astrological charts for people. 24:48 And I wasn't really thinking that... 24:52 Yeah, I just thought that's just what he did. 24:53 I didn't know whether that was connected. 24:55 They didn't teach it like that. 24:57 Had they taught it like that, I would have left. 24:59 Yes. 25:01 But they really didn't so I didn't know that. 25:04 But I want to sum this up for you. 25:08 And I have to read a statement from a... 25:12 It was an article online, 25:14 it was the thing that really woke me up. 25:16 And after you read that I want to let people know 25:18 how they can get this booklet. 25:19 Okay, okay. And what's wrong with it. 25:21 Okay, great. 25:23 He says, "In some..." 25:25 This is the writer of this article on astrology. 25:30 It's called Acupuncture, Astrology with Needles. 25:33 So if you Google that, you can find it, 25:36 the author says, "In some there are 361 points, 25:40 the same as a number of degrees in the sidereal day, 25:44 along 12 meridians, the number of zodiacs 25:47 which are named after the hour angle of the sun, 25:51 Tai Yang, Yang Ming, 25:53 these are terms that describe the hour angle, 25:57 in which five points are named after the planets, 26:00 water, wood, etcetera. 26:02 Those are the names of the five planets. 26:04 Now, anyone that is not woefully ignorant, 26:08 like most advocates of traditional acupuncture 26:11 in the US will immediately see 26:13 that it was modeled after astrology 26:16 and sun mythology. 26:18 And according to the upper steam of as above, 26:22 so below, so just like European bloodletting was, 26:26 Chinese acupuncture could therefore be 26:29 accurately described as astrology with needles. 26:33 Wow. 26:35 And that's why I left 26:37 and there's so much more 26:38 because astrology is a form of divination 26:42 and divination is expressly forbidden in the Word. 26:47 Let's see, I want to share these scriptures 26:50 just so look up Isaiah 47:13-15 26:55 and Leviticus 19:26, 26:58 and Deuteronomy 18:9-13. 27:02 That Deuteronomy wants the divination and soothsayers. 27:05 Exactly, exactly, we've been forbidden to do this. 27:09 So... 27:11 Yeah, you see a lot of people checking in their signs, 27:13 their zodiac signs and all that, 27:15 like fortune tellers. 27:16 Exactly. 27:18 That was one of the things that I used to do 27:20 when I was out of the church. 27:22 I used to read a lot about astrology 27:25 and all that zodiacs. 27:27 Yes, yes, well, praise the Lord for coming into new light. 27:30 Amen. And thank you, Jesus. 27:33 We have your booklet 27:34 "What's Wrong with Acupuncture?" 27:36 And people can get that by calling our call center 27:39 at 618-627-4651. 27:44 Press the number two 27:45 when you hear the automated message. 27:47 We're open Monday through Thursday 27:48 from 7:30 to 5:30pm 27:51 Central Time. 27:52 So give us a call and check out this booklet. 27:55 Thank you so much for sharing. 27:56 Thank you, Jay. 27:58 And thank you for joining us. 27:59 Well, we've reached the end of another program. 28:02 Join us next time remember, 28:03 it just wouldn't be the same without you. |
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