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Program Code: UBR190010A
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00:01 Stay tuned to meet four individuals
00:02 that are sharing God's love with men and women 00:04 that are behind bars. 00:06 My name is Jason Bradley, 00:07 and you're watching Urban Report. 00:32 Hello and welcome to Urban Report. 00:34 My guests today are Carolyn Bland, 00:36 president of UPMI, Antonio Hall, 00:39 director of programs at UPMI, Gilbert Wilks, 00:43 President of Wilts Publications Incorporated, 00:46 and Scott A. Tibbs II, chief marketing officer. 00:50 Welcome to Urban Report, guys. 00:51 Thank you. Thank you. 00:52 Thank you. 00:54 You're welcome. It's great to have you here. 00:55 We are on the 3ABN Today set. 00:58 So I know our Dare to Dream viewers 01:00 are probably like, 01:01 "That does not look like the Urban Report set." 01:04 But I had the opportunity to interview you guys 01:07 on a 3ABN Today program. 01:10 And now I want our Dare to Dream viewers 01:12 to hear the wonderful story of UPMI 01:17 and all of that as well. 01:18 So Miss Carolyn, let's start with you. 01:19 Okay. 01:21 Tell us a little bit about how you got involved with UPMI. 01:25 Okay, well, in 1980, my husband and I went to, 01:29 we're invited to go to a prison. 01:31 I think a lot of people have heard this story, 01:33 but we were invited to go to prison. 01:37 And Richard offered to give them 01:39 some Spirit of Prophecy books, 01:40 not telling them that's what they were. 01:43 And the chaplain said, "Okay." 01:45 So we, the next day, took several thousand 01:50 Spirit of Prophecy books to the prison. 01:53 And we put a card in there. 01:56 Richard calls it a fish hook 01:58 for enrolling people in Bible studies. 02:02 So there was 02:03 a whole bunch of them came back. 02:05 And then we decided, you know what, 02:08 well, the first of all, a chaplain after he received, 02:13 the chaplain said, 02:15 "We want you to bring us some more of those books here." 02:18 And Richard said, "Wow!" 02:20 So we went, and got a whole bunch of them 02:22 and brought some more the next week. 02:25 And then that chaplain introduced us saying, 02:28 "Well, these people are gonna come 02:30 and give Bible studies here." 02:32 That we're gonna have a day, every week. 02:35 And we were surprised. 02:37 So with that, Richard decided, "We need to give them something 02:43 that they will remember us by 02:45 and not just be a sunshine band." 02:48 So we got together with Brother Santini 02:52 and we made up, "What the Bible Says." 02:54 We copied them from Elder Ward's old lessons. 02:58 Okay. And we gave those out. 03:01 And that's how they started growing. 03:03 He made it clear that they had to, 03:06 for them to get a certificate, 03:08 they had to enroll three other people 03:10 in the Bible class, 03:11 and then they would get a certificate. 03:13 So that just took off. 03:14 And before you knew, 03:15 we had thousands of Bible studies, 03:17 and that's how I said 03:18 that my children were on the floor 03:20 grading Bible studies. 03:21 Wow! 03:23 And so that's how we got engrossed into prison ministry. 03:25 And then it just grew and grew and grew, 03:28 after year after year, and we've seen 03:30 many, many souls changed. 03:34 The men are so hungry for love, 03:38 so hungry for your attention, 03:41 that they'll listen to you 03:42 when you tell them about the Bible. 03:44 And a lot of never even picked the Bible up before 03:47 or saw a Bible and they appreciate us coming. 03:51 And one of the books 03:53 that we started having table lessons with 03:57 was "The Bible Answer." 04:00 The big Bible Answers. 04:02 And then Brother Gilbert helped us print... 04:05 No, we had that printer, 04:06 but Brother Gilbert printed the Steps to Christ for us. 04:10 And we gave that out. 04:11 And then we had to get more Bible studies. 04:15 And that's where Brother Gilbert came in. 04:17 And he's been with us ever since. 04:21 The lessons have evolved to what they are today, 04:24 beautiful, What the Bible Says. 04:26 Nice. 04:28 You know, we actually have a graphic 04:29 of What the Bible Says. 04:33 And there it is, right there. 04:35 That is a powerful study 04:38 that actually has basically questions, 04:43 and then gives you the verses to look up in the Bible. 04:46 So it's what the Bible says, 04:48 and what's the answer to the question. 04:49 Well, look in your Bible under this specific verse, 04:53 and you also have it in Spanish as well. 04:56 Yes, we printed in Spanish. 04:57 Nice. 04:59 And so what are some of the other publications 05:00 that you've printed for them, Gilbert? 05:03 He came to me over 30 years ago, 05:05 and we met in a parking lot in Birmingham. 05:09 And we started helping them update the Bible lessons 05:12 like she said. 05:13 And God just blessed us in so many ways in that. 05:16 And Richard came and said, 05:19 "We need Steps to Christ better. 05:21 And we developed 05:23 the "Happiness" edition for them 05:24 that had nature on it. 05:27 And those were printed by the millions 05:30 from my publishing houses. 05:32 And then Richard wanted another book, oh, 05:35 what was it for New York City he wanted? 05:38 Bought the Marked Bible. 05:39 The Marked Bible. By Charles Taylor. 05:40 So he had us put out a million of those 05:42 in just two weeks, right after 9/11. 05:46 And we just done a lot for him and we're doing it now. 05:50 And Carolyn has been so wonderful 05:53 in leading this ministry 05:54 and I'm so glad to be able to help... 05:58 I think you've done over five or six printings 06:01 of our Bible lessons for us. 06:03 And those are with 100,000 at a time. 06:06 That's right. Wow! 06:08 One hundred thousand at a time. 06:09 Now I know that we receive some of those 06:12 and we took some to our church, we handed some out, 06:16 we put them out for the staff as well. 06:19 Excellent lessons. 06:20 Excellent lessons. Yeah. 06:22 A lot of churches are finding out that, 06:23 What the Bible Says is so, not necessarily simple, 06:27 but easy and attractive. 06:30 And people really want to, "Oh, let me see what this says." 06:35 And then they open the front cover. 06:38 It has not lessons but guides to like stress 06:43 and what are some of the others, Scott? 06:45 Some of the topics that are inside the Bible lesson 06:47 are anger management, we have stress management, 06:52 we have finances, and we also have addiction. 06:55 But I think the most important aspect 06:57 of these lessons is how they tie into the books 07:00 that Gilbert has published his Bibles, 07:04 on how they are able to be 07:05 used as lessons inside churches. 07:07 So that the pastor can be able to explain, 07:09 "Hey, we're going to go over stress management." 07:11 You see all of the Bible verses and texts in the lesson 07:15 and it goes hand in hand 07:16 with the Bible that's in your hand. 07:18 So that's I think is gonna be 07:19 the most powerful aspect of these lessons. 07:21 So essentially, the lessons is, point people back to the Bible. 07:23 Yes, sir. Questions? 07:25 Straightforward. 07:26 There's questions in the lessons 07:28 and then there's verses for the answers 07:31 that are found in the Bible. 07:33 Yeah, that is powerful. 07:35 How did you get involved with UPMI, Scott? 07:38 For me, it was a gradual process, 07:41 being involved with the ministry so early. 07:44 I had my mother, father, 07:46 and my grandparents being involved. 07:48 So for me, it was taking small steps. 07:51 And I started helping with mail, 07:53 started helping with reading letters, 07:55 grading lessons, 07:56 and it graduated to me going into prisons. 07:59 And I saw that my little self can impact someone's life. 08:03 And that's when I think I jumped 08:05 full into go into this family ministry. 08:09 So you saw how God was using you 08:11 in those situations 08:13 to have a positive impact on the people 08:15 that are incarcerated 08:17 and people in the community, huh? 08:19 Yes, sir. Yes, yes. 08:20 Now, the interesting thing, Scott, is that, you know, 08:25 while it was the family ministry, 08:27 you didn't have to stay in that. 08:30 You could have gone off and done anything else 08:32 but you chose to stay and grow in that. 08:36 And you're very passionate about that, correct? 08:37 Yes, sir. 08:38 And it's funny you say that I actually got my degree 08:40 in kinesiology. 08:42 So my passion is anatomy and physiology. 08:46 But I saw that my help was needed elsewhere. 08:49 And I saw that my gifts 08:51 can be also used through this ministry. 08:55 So my gift to the ministry 08:58 is bringing in the health aspect as well 09:01 into this ministry and going into the prisons. 09:04 Nice. 09:05 That's something that we all need is, 09:08 is good healthcare. 09:09 Yes, sir. That's right. That's right. 09:11 And, Antonio, 09:12 how did you end up joining UPMI? 09:17 Well, I left New York City. 09:19 I was a chaplain for the state of New York 09:22 in the family service division 09:23 where the chaplain inside the prisons 09:26 will contact the chaplains in the city, 09:28 which I worked out of the office. 09:31 And give us information about a certain inmate 09:34 who had taken advantage of everything 09:35 that the prisons had offered. 09:38 And we would take this information 09:40 and visit the families. 09:41 And in visiting the families, 09:43 we would minister to their needs. 09:44 We will have prayer with them, assess some of their needs, 09:47 you can do it by just sitting there and listening. 09:49 But ask them some of the things that they needed 09:52 some assistance with. 09:54 Go back to my state office and call agencies that I know 09:59 and they would tell me, 10:01 "Just send the person down with my card," 10:03 and their needs will be met. 10:04 I go back to the community 10:07 to assess the services and so forth. 10:11 And they will tell people that "Hey, 10:12 when that preacher come and pray for you, 10:15 things happen, you know." 10:16 So I did that for a while 10:18 but I was inspired by God to return to Alabama, 10:23 Birmingham, Alabama. 10:24 See I was incarcerated in New York. 10:26 I've been incarcerated 14 times in the States, 10:29 picked up a Bible and in my Rikers Island sale. 10:33 I studied a Bible, ended up in a rehab program, 10:36 ended up in New York Theological Seminary, 10:39 and from there the chaplain, and now back in Alabama. 10:42 I was told about 10:43 United Prison Ministries International. 10:45 And United Prison Ministries International at that time 10:47 was not international. 10:49 Matter of fact, 10:50 the whole office was in a closet, 10:52 in a small church. 10:54 And everything that United Prison Ministry had 10:58 could fit in a van. 11:01 And that we all get in a van, we have all our books 11:03 and we had our typewriter, one typewriter, 11:06 and we will do ministry. 11:08 After several, after about a year of that, 11:12 studying with the men and women in the prison, 11:15 I was baptized into the church 11:18 and became an elder in the church sometime later. 11:21 And I've been involved in United Prison Ministries 11:24 now for ever since that. 11:26 What happened was I ended up in several countries, 11:29 ministering, we would do programs. 11:32 Interesting one was one in Russia, 11:35 where the inmates were being released 11:38 because they were political inmates. 11:42 And there's a lots of them being released, 11:45 and they had to be released into some kind of community, 11:51 so that they can transition back into society. 11:54 Some of them 17, 18 years they've been incarcerated. 11:58 And we were part of that process 11:59 with several ministries from the US 12:02 and other countries. 12:03 And I knew that transitional ministries 12:06 was important even in the US, 12:10 because when people are released, 12:11 the United Prison Ministries became my support system. 12:14 And I knew that the men and women 12:16 that we were ministering to in the prison system 12:18 needed a support system. 12:19 So we talked about that. 12:21 But it took several years for us to come to that point. 12:24 Matter of fact, it was back in 2013, 12:26 that we really looked at it hard. 12:28 And I was asked to be the program director 12:31 back in 2013, 12:33 so that I can actually implement 12:36 that dream that Richard and Carolyn 12:38 and I had talked about for years. 12:40 So now that we've started that, you know, 12:42 United Prison Ministries has become my second breath. 12:45 I'm back now, not only receiving support, 12:49 but I'm back supporting with all my gifts, 12:51 my talents and my experiences. 12:54 So that United Prison Ministries 12:55 can develop a training center, 12:57 so we can train other ministries 12:59 and other people to work, 13:01 churches to work with ex-offenders, 13:03 and work with their families, because it's important 13:06 that we not only minister to the ones 13:08 who are coming out of the institution. 13:09 But remember, if you've been locked up 13:11 and locked away from your family for 25 years, 13:13 10 years, whatever, 13:14 there has to be some kind of reconnect. 13:17 And what we do is we step in there and work with the family 13:21 and work with the ex-offender, and help them reunite. 13:24 Some of them will never reunite. 13:26 So we actually create families for them, 13:28 the church become their family. 13:30 And we actually work, 13:31 opportunities becoming their family so. 13:33 But the idea is every person need to be reconnected 13:39 mentally, physically, socially and spiritually. 13:42 So we try to minister to the whole men. 13:44 So our program will be sharing more and more, 13:46 but our program help in that way to minister to, 13:51 or met the whole person. 13:53 And that was 1981 when he came with us. 13:58 Wow! 1981! 13:59 So that's 38 years. 14:02 Now that's a long time. 14:04 Richard and I are getting up in age, 14:06 like Richard says, 14:08 now 11 years he'll be 100 years old. 14:10 And he is tired and he put in his resignation 14:15 and gave us a retirement letter. 14:19 And so that's when I took over. 14:22 And really I didn't take over 14:24 because I was already doing everything anyway. 14:28 But anyway, we are still a good team 14:32 and we're still got things going. 14:35 And since my daughter took over everything 14:38 has been run in the black. 14:39 You know, either you have red or black in finances. 14:42 And she's really kept 14:44 everything's running into the black. 14:46 And red in finance is negative and black is positive. 14:50 That's right. That's right. 14:51 And through that, like I said, we are self-supported ministry, 14:56 we don't receive money from the conferences. 14:59 I want to be able to say that again. 15:01 So you're a lay ministry? 15:02 Right. That's right. 15:05 Yeah. 15:06 You know, we've had Brother Richard 15:08 on this program before. 15:10 I'll tell you what? 15:12 He travels or travelled more than anybody. 15:16 I mean, "Where are you, Brother Richard?" 15:19 "Well, I'm here in California." 15:21 "Where are you, Brother Richard." 15:22 "Well, I'm in New York." 15:24 Yeah. "Where are you?" 15:25 I mean, he was all over the place. 15:27 He was passionate. 15:29 And you guys are passionate about this ministry as well. 15:32 And I like how it's continuing to move forward as well. 15:37 What's your vision? 15:39 I see us meeting prisons, there's ex-prisoners needs. 15:44 For instance, maybe helping them with a place to go 15:50 with our industry that we want to start. 15:53 We would have them trained in a profession. 15:57 They would be able to take the materials 16:00 that they are printing and may have income from it. 16:04 I see a training center 16:06 for those that want to do prison ministry. 16:10 And we'll give them 16:13 38 years of experience that we've had. 16:16 Or we would just be able to help the inmate 16:21 where many of them are not being helped. 16:23 Yes, yes. 16:25 'Cause I mean, it's so important 16:27 that you have a trade when you get out. 16:31 You got to have something to do. 16:32 You got to have a way to provide for your family 16:34 and earn a living for yourself. 16:37 It's so important that you have 16:38 that spiritual anchor, 16:41 because you know, Christ is the one 16:44 and the Holy Spirit is the one that transforms lives. 16:48 So yeah, 16:50 what you guys are doing is absolutely amazing. 16:53 Now, Gilbert has a vision as well, 16:56 that ties into this. 16:57 Gilbert, what is that vision? 16:59 My vision is to see them put out millions more 17:03 of what they've already accomplished. 17:05 When we started it out, it needed a lot of improvement. 17:10 So we improved and made it more colorful. 17:12 Now we have one of the most beautiful. 17:15 What the Bible Says, it's ever come out 17:18 and thanks to United Prison Ministries 17:21 we were just able to help them. 17:24 I'd like to see them 17:25 have a complete printing facility there, 17:28 where they can train people to print 17:30 and they can also print in mass at a very economical price, 17:34 so we can reach as many people as possible. 17:37 And the Bible, we need an inventory of those Bibles, 17:40 so we can get them economical. 17:42 And that people are going to treasure a $42 Bible 17:46 and learn to love it and read it 17:48 instead of a throwaway $2 Bible or so. 17:50 So we want to see that all happen quickly. 17:55 And remind them they don't cost $42, 17:57 when we get it printed. 17:58 It's going to be, what? 18:00 That's right. Four dollars. 18:02 That's right. Wow! 18:03 They can print 30,000 at a time. 18:05 You can print a $42 Bible for about $4. 18:08 Yeah. That's beautiful. 18:09 And we need to do that, 18:11 we need somebody to sponsor the inventory 18:14 and make it happen. 18:16 Yeah. It's a very nice Bible. 18:18 Yes. 18:20 Antonio, what would you say some of the challenges 18:23 might be with UPMI 18:26 that you have operating on a daily basis? 18:29 Well, reentry ministry is not something that we, 18:34 as an organization, 18:36 or church have really been a part of. 18:40 Therefore, it needs to be, we need the training. 18:45 We definitely need the training. 18:47 We need to be able to set up this training center. 18:51 We have the information, we have the experience, 18:53 but we don't have the trained workers to do it. 18:56 So we can start the training real soon 18:58 because we already have a facility to do the training. 19:02 So all we have to do is just start the training. 19:04 We've trained some, and it's working fine 19:07 because we have a track record now of eight years 19:10 where no one has returned or violated, 19:13 you understand, the law. 19:15 And we have cut down on recidivism 19:18 'cause recidivism is a three year term. 19:20 What the government says 19:22 is when a person stay out of prison 19:24 or stay out of jail 19:27 for three year term at the prison, 19:29 then he has moved to the success. 19:32 It is success. 19:34 We can go to the parole board now 19:35 and just by showing up where we are now so we are. 19:39 They said we gonna give the person 19:40 whom we're representing 19:42 an opportunity or chance and give them parole. 19:46 So we actually have 19:48 a good solid foundation to work from. 19:50 So one of the challenges 19:51 is to get this training center up and running. 19:55 The other challenge is even though Brother Wilks 19:58 is ready to help us, 20:00 develop and build this so that we can help the inmates 20:04 earn some money while they're in the program 20:06 and be ready to move on 20:07 to their next level of independence. 20:11 We need to have our own facility 20:13 and own industry to do that. 20:16 So we have a challenge to raise the money 20:19 to buy this equipment. 20:20 We've gotten some ballpark figures 20:23 on what it will cost. 20:24 Matter of fact, I was surprised that it was so low, 20:27 you know, from Brother Wilks' view and his experience. 20:31 But we do need to raise money to do that. 20:35 And the other challenge, 20:36 I believe is that is working in the church, 20:41 and having the church sensitize to the work of God. 20:45 Jesus told us that I was in prison, 20:49 and you ministered to me 20:50 and those whom we are sharing the gospel with 20:53 and accepting the Word of God, 20:55 even though they never knew God before. 20:58 Like me, when I was locked up, I didn't know God. 21:01 Matter of fact, I thought that if I touch the Bible, 21:05 I would implode. 21:06 I mean, you know, I mean, television shows us 21:08 that werewolves and vampires, you know, 21:12 just touching the Bible, you would burst into flames. 21:14 I thought that would happen to me. 21:16 But a Bible was made available to me. 21:19 I opened the Bible. 21:21 And that was funny. 21:22 Well, that's been, you understand back in 19s, 21:25 you see, I was 20 years old when that took place. 21:28 Twenty years old, 21:29 and I've never put down the Bible, since. 21:32 I've never backslid. 21:33 I've been in ministry every since a year now. 21:37 And I've been sharing the Word of God. 21:38 So I know the power is in the Word of God. 21:42 And I know when we accept the Holy Spirit, 21:44 we become new creatures. 21:46 But see, our churches need to recognize 21:48 that when a man no matter what he's done in the past, 21:51 or woman have done in the past, 21:53 when they accept the Word of God 21:55 and surrender to the Holy Spirit, 21:57 they are new creatures. 21:58 They are born again. 21:59 They are like us. There's no difference. 22:01 And Bible teach us to love our neighbor, 22:04 or our brothers and sisters as we do ourselves. 22:07 So that's gonna be a challenge to actually, well, sensitize. 22:12 You understand our church remembers too the work 22:16 that we do in prison ministry because this is God's work. 22:19 And getting people to accept Christ... 22:22 Yes, yes, absolutely. 22:26 So, when you go into prisons, do you share your testimony? 22:31 Yes, I share my testimony. 22:33 My testimony has been my foundation. 22:36 You know, 22:39 because when I was out there in the world, 22:42 the first time I got locked up, 22:45 you couldn't have told me anything. 22:47 The 5th time, on the 10th time, 22:49 even the 13th time I was not ready. 22:52 I was not ready to receive. 22:54 But that 14th time, is nothing magic about it. 22:58 It's just that at 14th time, I was ready to accept 23:02 and I was ready to surrender to the Word of God. 23:05 So my testimony in the prison says to them, they have hope. 23:10 They have hope. 23:12 Our church has become a prison friendly church. 23:16 I mean, not prison friendly, 23:18 but ex-offender friendly church, you'll see. 23:19 Okay, okay. 23:21 We've ordained as deacons and elders, ex-offenders. 23:27 Actually, I served as first elder for many years 23:30 now almost 30 years. 23:32 And I'm an ex-offender. 23:34 So they can see that the Bible, the Word of God, 23:37 and the Holy Spirit do change lives. 23:40 So my testimony says that I remember 23:42 when I first got with Elder Bland, 23:46 and we would travel, 23:47 and I would be the preacher or the speaker, you know. 23:51 And I would preach on the same things. 23:52 I preach about David and Paul and Peter and all that. 23:56 And at the end, he was saying to me, 23:58 "People didn't want to hear that. 24:00 They want to hear what God has done for you." 24:02 He said, "Rest of them can talk about Peter. 24:04 They got nothing else to talk about." 24:06 But the bottom line is, my experience has equipped me 24:11 with knowledge to know that God is 24:15 and God is rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. 24:18 And we see miracles happening every day. 24:21 We just don't recognize them 24:23 because they come sometime in stages. 24:26 You know, from the day we were born, 24:27 God has been working with us and working with us. 24:30 And there are little miracles taking place all the time. 24:32 Yeah. 24:33 And you know, what's interesting too, is, 24:35 you know, we each have a part to play in ministry. 24:38 You may be able to reach people 24:40 that I may never be able to reach 24:42 due to your experiences 24:45 and Christ using you and God using you in that way. 24:50 The pastor that may have never left the church, 24:54 he may be able to reach people that I can't reach, 24:57 or that you can't reach or whatever the case may be. 25:01 And so we each have a role to play in ministry. 25:06 Now, Scott, you're a young man. 25:08 You're in ministry. 25:10 We're both young, we'll receive that, 25:11 you guys are young too. 25:13 Oh, no. Thank you. 25:15 We'll put you in the group. 25:16 We want Elle and AG. Thank you. 25:18 You guys are young too. We are all young here. 25:21 And so it's great to see, you know, 25:25 you following in the footsteps of the family, 25:30 but also going down the path that God has placed 25:35 on the calling that He's placed on your life as well. 25:38 What advice would you have for that young person 25:40 that's at home and is contemplating 25:43 getting involved in ministry? 25:46 For me, it would be to not ignore yourself 25:51 and not ignore your own passions. 25:53 Because I found that anatomy and physiology 25:56 even though it was not in God's work, 25:59 I was able to apply it in God's work. 26:02 And I think that's where 26:04 I found my reason to be in this ministry. 26:08 And so I think for the young people 26:10 who need to get involved, trust your deep instinct 26:15 and use what you are and not what other people 26:18 are trying to make you be. 26:19 And just like what Antonio said his story is why he's special. 26:23 So in other words, trust in God's calling 26:26 that He's placed on your life, correct? 26:27 Yes, sir. 26:29 And lean... 26:30 You know, I have a Bible says, 26:32 "Lean not on your own understanding." 26:33 Yes, sir. 26:34 But in all your ways, trust in Him. 26:37 I'm paraphrasing there. 26:40 But yes, yes, very powerful. 26:43 How can people get in touch with you guys to help you, 26:46 Scott, if we have a graphic we're going to put up 26:49 with your address and website, 26:51 how can people get in touch with you? 26:54 You guys can contact us 26:55 at United Prison Ministries International, 26:58 at PO Box 8, Verbena, Alabama 36091, 27:03 and our phone number is 2057554744. 27:08 And our website is UPMI.org. 27:10 All right. 27:12 Man, I can't believe our time is just about up. 27:16 This went by so fast. 27:19 Do you have anything else that you would like to say 27:22 in a few seconds, Miss Carolyn? 27:23 I'm just thankful 27:25 that we were able to come on the show 27:26 and share about the inmates 27:28 and we're trusting that those that are interested 27:31 will follow through with their hearts desire, 27:34 and follow what the Holy Spirit is putting on their hearts. 27:38 And if there's anyone 27:39 that would like to help support us, 27:41 we really would appreciate it. 27:43 Amen. Amen. 27:45 Thank you guys for coming on and sharing about UPMI 27:48 and I hope our listeners and viewers are inspired. 27:51 Well, we've reached the end of another program. 27:53 Thanks for tuning in. 27:54 Join us next time and remember, 27:55 this wouldn't be the same without you. |
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