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Series Code: UBR
Program Code: UBR190017A
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00:01 What's special about Christian counseling?
00:03 Stay tuned to meet a woman 00:04 who can tell you what it's all about. 00:06 My name is Jason Bradley, 00:07 and you're watching Urban Report. 00:32 Hello, and welcome to Urban Report. 00:35 I had the opportunity to sit down 00:36 with Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin 00:38 and discuss the third and fourth seasons 00:40 of Live to Be Well. 00:42 While doing so we talked a little bit 00:44 about some of the major issues that people are dealing with, 00:47 such as stress and anxiety. 00:50 We also discussed what it's like 00:51 being a Christian counselor in a very secular world 00:54 and how she utilizes her practice 00:56 as a witnessing tool for Christ. 00:59 Let's take a look at what Dr. Kim had to say. 01:04 I am here live in Detroit, Michigan 01:08 at Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin's office. 01:10 And if you've seen Live to Be Well, 01:13 then you know exactly where I am. 01:15 Dr. Kim, we're recording the third and fourth season 01:20 of Live to Be Well. 01:21 I'm excited. Yes. 01:23 Thank you, thank you so much for coming to Detroit. 01:25 Thank you for being here Jason, I appreciate it. 01:27 Well, thank you for having us. Oh, most definitely. 01:29 You know, you see quite a few clients. 01:32 Yes, I do. 01:34 And a lot of your clients or what percentage... 01:37 Let me ask you rather, 01:38 what percentage of your clients do you think are Adventist? 01:41 Maybe 1%. One percent? 01:43 Yes. Okay. Okay. 01:46 Throughout the program, 01:47 we get to watch you 01:49 in the middle of a counseling session. 01:51 Yes. 01:53 And we've discussed multiple different topics. 01:55 What can people expect? 01:57 Well, they're going to expect, they can expect transparency. 02:00 Okay. Honesty. 02:02 They're going to expect humility. 02:04 But the most important being able to be a resource. 02:07 The people that I bring on, 02:09 I like to be able to be use Live to Be Well 02:11 and my counseling practice as a witnessing tool. 02:14 As I stated 1% are Seventh-day Adventists. 02:18 Mm-hmm. 02:19 The myth of that, I go to church with her, 02:22 I see her at different functions, 02:24 I went to Oakwood University with her. 02:26 So that causes them to say, 02:29 "Well, I don't want to go to her for counseling," 02:31 but please still seek help. 02:34 Let me refer you. Yes. 02:35 So the individuals that come here, 02:38 so many are referred by other people, 02:41 who have been here before. 02:43 And what I've come to find out 02:45 is that individuals are looking for Jesus Christ. 02:49 They're looking, they already know 02:51 that I am a Christian therapist, 02:53 because it's in my website, it's on my... 02:57 All my social media. 02:58 So they know before they walk through the door. 02:59 They know beforehand. 03:01 Very few, I mean, one or two out of the year 03:03 may come in and say, "I didn't know." 03:06 Beginning of every... 03:07 At the beginning of every session, 03:08 I ask first, can we have prayer? 03:11 Is it all right that we have prayer. 03:13 At the end of the session, let me pray with you. 03:15 And they're like, "Oh, yes, yes." 03:17 Or they're surprised when they say, 03:20 "I didn't even know you were a Christian therapist." 03:22 So it is a witnessing tool, it is a resource, 03:26 and it helps people to find their real path, 03:30 because we all need a closer walk with Christ 03:33 and we may not get it in a church. 03:36 We may not get in the Bible study, 03:38 may not get in the potluck, 03:39 but you might find them in a therapy session. 03:42 Uh-huh. Yes. 03:43 What does one of your therapy sessions look like? 03:46 Well, just like this one-on-one. 03:48 You know, how are you, Mr. Bradley? 03:50 I'm doing well. Good. 03:52 So I would say to them what brings you here today? 03:54 Okay. Let's talk about anxiety. 03:57 So, you've been dealing with anxiety, 03:59 you know, on your job, 04:01 and I may have to say to them 04:02 how far back have you been filling with anxiety 04:06 or depression, insomnia where you just can't sleep, 04:09 because that's not normal for you 04:11 not being able to sleep with on a regular pattern. 04:14 So then I get into asking them about their family origin. 04:19 And I do what is called a therapeutic diagram 04:23 of their past and their present, 04:26 and then their outcomes. 04:27 Because see the key factor in therapy, Jason. 04:30 I'm looking for a healthy outcome. 04:32 Okay. 04:34 I do testing and evaluation, 04:35 I do a personality test on Myers-Briggs, 04:39 and then I do other type of testing. 04:41 But looking at how they have been impacted psychoanalytical, 04:46 their childhood, the scars. 04:48 And sometimes I'll start a therapy session 04:51 and all they can do is cry. 04:52 Wow! 04:54 And I have to say that all I could do is sit and wait, 04:58 because how do you run someone through that. 05:01 All you can do is say to them, "Take your time." 05:04 So a therapy session lasts about 60 minutes, 05:08 sometimes a little longer, 05:10 because they could be in a moment of crisis. 05:11 Yes. Yes. 05:13 And I'm gonna look at my watch, 05:14 "Well, your time is up, let's go." 05:15 I have someone waiting. 05:17 That is harsh, cold. That is, that is. 05:19 Would you come back the next week? 05:20 No. 05:21 They might be at that point 05:23 where they're about to have a breakthrough? 05:24 Yes. 05:26 So when you're asking these questions, 05:28 are you trying to dig 05:30 and get to the root cause of the situation? 05:34 Yeah, because we want to break the barriers. 05:36 We want to get into the layer. 05:38 We got to peel back the layers and it hurts, it's hard. 05:42 What are some of the challenges that you face? 05:44 When individuals don't know which is rare 05:47 because it's on my website, it's on the internet, 05:51 but when they come in and I ask them 05:53 would they like to have prayer. 05:55 Another challenge that I have, 05:57 wanting therapy sessions on Saturday. 06:00 Well, I worship on Saturday. 06:03 Now the Bible says, Jason, it's good to do well. 06:05 Arthur and I have and when he was alive, 06:08 if there was an emergency suicide attempt, 06:12 someone was, please call the Nolans. 06:16 We went and we assisted any way we could. 06:20 So the challenges 06:21 are being able to look at the responsibilities 06:26 of using the Word of God, because I gotta stand on that. 06:30 I have a standard being a Christian. 06:32 That's right. 06:33 I have a standard and that I must use, 06:36 because I've had men come in and flirt with me. 06:38 And yes, and I would have to let them know. 06:41 You are here for counseling. 06:43 I nip that in the bud. Yeah. 06:45 And I say, "Let's pray." 06:47 You know, and I don't want to pray, 06:49 you know, and I say, "That's fine. 06:50 Would you like to continue the session?" 06:52 So their motive wasn't right. Yeah. 06:54 I say, "Well, let me show you to the door." 06:55 And you establish that early on. 06:57 Early on. Yeah. Yeah. 06:58 One time a man followed me off the elevator 07:00 and we always keep our door locked. 07:02 But this time he got in right behind me. 07:05 But Arthur was sitting in the office. 07:07 Okay. 07:08 Karen was in her office, 07:09 I was saying something to Arthur 07:11 and he said, "So you're a therapist." 07:13 And I said, "Yes." 07:14 I said, "My husband would be a good fit for you." 07:17 And Arthur get up, shook his hand, 07:19 haven't seen him since. 07:21 Wow! All right. 07:22 Wow! So clearly his motive was all wrong. 07:24 It was all wrong. 07:25 So I've faced challenges of sexuality, 07:28 you know, authority. 07:31 You deal with children and young teenagers 07:34 who feel that they could just say whatever, do whatever. 07:38 And no, I'm not having that. Yeah, yeah. 07:41 You know, but I'm not a glorified babysitter for you 07:43 to drop your children off either. 07:45 No. 07:46 I need you to be in the session and do family counseling also, 07:50 so that we can rectify this problem. 07:52 Yeah, because there has to be some kind of homework, 07:54 there has to be some kind of assignment 07:56 to continue the growth process. 07:58 Oh, yes. I give homework. Uh-huh. 08:00 You know, and Arthur and I've written many books 08:03 on relationships, the family, 08:05 how to help the family, 08:07 but I also give homework. 08:09 I have this one paper for my couples, 08:12 a 100 ways to build your love. 08:14 Hmm. 08:15 You know, and there's 100 things 08:17 that Arthur and I put together and we built, 08:19 and we didn't do all 100 of them, 08:21 but we have enough on there that you can canoeing, 08:25 you can go, you know, read a book together, 08:27 go take a walk together, bicycling. 08:30 So if you, you know, 08:31 if you're older have a nice dinner together. 08:34 So I give homework like that, 08:36 and they've to bring back what they did on date night, 08:39 all right, because a lot of them 08:40 have lost that camaraderie, 08:44 they've lost the connection, you know. 08:46 And when they come in for therapy, 08:48 I have my couple sit on this couch 08:51 and they're like... 08:54 And I don't want them in chairs. 08:56 I want them to have to really be close. 08:58 Yes. 08:59 And I say, "Now can you tell me why you're here, 09:01 because you've known each other 10 years, 09:03 or 6 months, or a month. 09:05 And that's more time that I've had." 09:07 So tell me, what challenges are you facing 09:10 and how can I help? 09:12 And typically do people open up to you? 09:14 Oh, yeah. 09:16 Oh, yes, they open up. 09:18 They recognize that I'm sincere. 09:21 Okay. 09:22 And they recognize that 09:24 and they read my reviews online, 09:26 you can't write those reviews yourself. 09:28 And they really appreciate 09:31 what has been written by present or former clients. 09:34 And they are very comfortable. 09:36 And just like this 15 year old, 09:38 he called the office his mother did, 09:40 he's being bullied. 09:42 And I haven't met with him yet but he... 09:44 I talked to the mother and I said, "Well, why?" 09:46 She said, "No, you will select the therapist." 09:49 He went and read all the reviews. 09:53 He looked at other people, he said, 09:55 "She's has more experience and seen the reviews, 10:00 and she seems like she's old enough to handle me." 10:03 Fifteen, that he wanted someone sees it. 10:06 Yes. 10:07 So not to say someone's been in business two or three years 10:10 could not have given him the same help, 10:12 but it was a fit for him. 10:14 Yeah. 10:15 And he was looking for an African-American female. 10:18 So I had a couple the other day was European-American 10:22 and I just looked at them and they said, 10:24 "Why are you looking at me?" 10:25 And I said, "You don't see color at all." 10:27 They said, "No." 10:29 He said, "Dr. Kim, we want your help." 10:31 They said, "Did you see us?" 10:33 I said, "I see you as a man and wife." 10:35 Yeah. And how I can help. 10:37 Yeah. 10:38 And so my practice is really growing 10:41 on the side of just not non-African Americans. 10:46 I'm getting different cultures that are coming in, 10:48 because it's hard to find a Christian therapist. 10:52 Yeah. It's very hard. 10:53 Yes. Yes. 10:54 And see, the beautiful thing 10:56 is, you know, no matter what nationality you are, 11:01 no matter what race or any of that, 11:04 we all go through things. 11:05 We all have problems. Yes, we do. 11:07 And one thing that I really like about you 11:10 is that you are a Christian therapist 11:12 and that you point people to the Word of God 11:14 and that you pray with them and all of those things. 11:16 That's crucial, because ultimately we know 11:19 that Christ is the solution to all of our problems. 11:21 All of our problems, 11:23 that's why there's so much power in prayer. 11:25 Yeah. And helping people. 11:27 When I counsel couples who are about to get married, 11:30 I ask them, "Do you pray together? 11:32 Do you worship together? 11:33 Do you study the Word of God?" 11:35 Because 90% or 98%, 11:38 99% are non-Seventh-day Adventist. 11:41 Yeah. Yeah. 11:43 And, you know, when they meet me, they are like, 11:46 you know, you serve God. 11:48 I say, "Yes." 11:49 Well, you've never been to church in about 10 years. 11:51 I say, "It's okay." 11:52 You know, and maybe by coming to my office, 11:55 they're going to get, 11:57 you know, because one of the first thing they do 11:59 and one of their homework assignments, 12:01 they have to read the entire Book of Proverbs. 12:04 And the Book of Proverbs is the Book of Wisdom. 12:05 Yes. Yes. 12:07 So the Bible is the greatest book ever written. 12:08 Yes. 12:10 And so then from Proverbs, we go to Ecclesiastes. 12:12 Okay. 12:13 Then from that I take them to The Minor Prophets. 12:15 Okay. 12:17 Then from there I take them to The Major Prophets. 12:18 Wow! 12:19 By then I'm doing a Bible study. 12:21 Wow! 12:22 And one gentleman came in my office... 12:23 And see, I didn't know that, 12:25 that's something that's new information for me. 12:26 I didn't know that. Yeah. 12:28 And so you don't jump into The Major Prophets 12:29 that will take them into the Isaiah, 12:31 start them off with something that they can, 12:34 you know, The Wisdom, 12:35 and then the Ecclesiastics is so powerful. 12:39 You know, a lot of us are still not ready for King Solomon's. 12:42 Okay, that's a heavy book, all right. 12:43 Yes. Yes. 12:45 But my couples are made of the love stories that 12:48 and so I give them those love stories to read. 12:51 But in the Book of Esther, 12:54 If I Perish, I Perish, in the Book of Ruth, 12:56 that your God will be my God, your people, my people. 13:00 And they begin to see the impact of God 13:03 and what He's doing. 13:05 So that's why I take on these challenges very seriously, 13:08 because I know God can and will see me through them. 13:11 Amen. 13:12 And what would you say is the number one 13:15 probably your most popular issue 13:18 that clients bring to you? 13:20 Stress. Stress? 13:21 Stress on the job. 13:23 That's something that affects everybody. 13:24 Everyone. Yeah. 13:25 Traffic, road rage, 13:28 marriage, church. 13:32 Give me some symptoms of those and some indicators 13:37 that you need to go seek professional help. 13:39 Okay, this is one... 13:47 Their rage begins to build. 13:48 Just like a gradual progression of the rage. 13:51 And I can't control it anymore and I'm going to hurt someone. 13:55 You know, what do you think 13:56 all these shootings are coming from? 13:57 Yeah. Family origin. 13:59 Yeah. 14:00 A pinned up anger, pinned up rage, 14:02 also what's being fed into them the negativity. 14:06 Isolation is huge with stress. 14:09 I go to work. 14:10 I'm married to you, Jason, I come home 14:13 and you're sitting in the living room. 14:14 "Hi, Hon." 14:16 I go up to the bedroom. 14:17 I get undressed, drop my clothes, 14:19 and I climb in bed, I'm under the covers. 14:22 She's not just tired. 14:24 Her mental anguish is building up. 14:27 I'm not eating. 14:29 You know, we're sitting there eating. 14:30 I'm not hungry. 14:32 That was Monday. 14:33 I'm not hungry Tuesday. 14:34 Something is going on by Thursday, Friday, 14:36 you're still not eating. 14:38 Because depression interferes with that stress, 14:41 I don't have an appetite, insomnia. 14:43 I can't sleep. 14:44 So if I'm not sleeping, I'm going to be irritable. 14:45 Yeah. 14:47 If I'm going to be irritable, I'm going to be angry, 14:48 but my anger can be rage, 14:49 rage I'm going to hurt somebody. 14:51 Yeah, and so it's a cycle? It is a cycle. 14:53 It's a cycle. Yeah. 14:54 So how do you break that cycle? 14:57 Yes. 14:58 First of all again, 14:59 I begin to look at the triggers, 15:01 what is causing the stress? 15:03 Where are you when these things happen? 15:05 What type of behavior change happens 15:07 that you can go from being a mild to a rage 15:11 that high, all right? 15:12 And then you have zero tolerance for patients, 15:15 you can't talk to anyone. 15:17 So I look at how I can treat the symptoms. 15:19 Okay. 15:21 And we look at first of all, 15:22 what's preventing you from sleeping. 15:24 So one person had a lot of stress, 15:26 so they were watching late night news. 15:28 So I asked them to change 15:30 what they were watching at night, 15:31 and then I said, "Try reading the Bible, 15:35 something motivating, 15:36 read one of my books, all right." 15:38 Uh-huh. 15:39 And try going to sleep with soft music, 15:43 you know, the meditation, music, 15:45 you know, the music with the flowing water 15:47 and the violins that helps you just relax. 15:50 I have fountains in my office, 15:53 you know, Karen made sure we had running water. 15:56 So when people come, the problem is they fall asleep 15:59 all right they're so comfortable. 16:01 So I have them to do that. 16:03 Warm milk and honey is a great relaxer. 16:06 Okay. 16:08 All right, drinking more water 16:10 helps to flush the toxins in the body. 16:13 So I'm looking at are you drinking alcohol, 16:16 are you using nicotine, are you smoking marijuana? 16:20 What types of things are you putting in your body? 16:22 Lots of sugar, lots of sweets, 16:25 keep you hyper to your children. 16:28 What are you angry about? 16:30 You're not angry 16:31 that he didn't take the garbage out. 16:32 You're angry that he did not remember your birthday. 16:37 And three weeks later, you didn't say anything. 16:40 And three weeks later or your anniversary, 16:42 you bring it up and he's like, "Ah!" 16:44 Because you've been so busy, you forgot. 16:45 How do you forget your wife's birthday or anniversary? 16:48 Yeah. 16:49 So now I'm shutting down 16:50 and I'm angry everybody on my job, 16:52 because the girl the next cubicle, 16:55 see her husband sent her roses. 16:58 So now I'm dealing with seeing your roses at work. 17:00 Yeah. 17:01 So these are the type of behavior 17:03 so you're dealing with anger, rage, insomnia, 17:06 you're dealing with the inability to sleep. 17:09 So I look at the family origin, I look at the triggers, 17:13 I look at the behavior patterns. 17:14 Okay. I look at the... 17:16 Are you having crying spells, any aspects of depression? 17:21 Do you want to hurt yourself? 17:23 Any ideation, suicidal ideation or homicide? 17:26 Because we have homicide, suicide. 17:29 Where I'm gonna take you out homicide, 17:32 then I kill myself. 17:33 Yeah. 17:35 Because I know what's going to happen. 17:36 I can't face my family, I can't face the children, 17:39 or I'm not going to leave my children 17:40 as I take the whole family out. 17:43 What about and it's sad 17:44 because we see that so much in the news today. 17:48 You know, I actually know a young lady 17:50 whose dad killed her mom. 17:53 They just come back from church and her dad killed her mom 17:57 and she was in the car. 17:59 Yes. And... 18:00 It happens every day. 18:01 Yeah, it happens so often and it's sad. 18:04 We wrestle not against flesh and blood. 18:05 Yes. 18:07 You know, but evil and principalities of darkness. 18:09 Yeah. 18:10 Another thing that seems to be 18:11 affecting a lot of people is anxiety. 18:13 Oh, yes. 18:15 So how do you recognize 18:17 that it's not just a mere nervousness 18:20 or what is the sign with that or the symptom of that 18:24 that indicates that you need help? 18:26 Okay, anxiety, I give you example. 18:28 Okay, you tell me is this anxiety or stress. 18:29 Okay. 18:31 I'm in the supermarket, I can't find what I need, 18:33 anxiety or stress? 18:36 That almost seems like 18:38 it could be a combination of both, 18:39 is there an option C on this? 18:40 No option C. There is no, both of them. 18:43 I can't find where the milk is, 18:44 so I stop and I call someone to help me. 18:46 You know, I see a worker in the supermarket. 18:48 Can you tell me where the milk is this is my first time here? 18:51 You know, is that anxiety or is this stress? 18:55 That seems like, but see, okay... 18:58 Just take a guess, just take a guess... 18:59 So I gotta ask a question about this. 19:01 Okay, okay. I got a partner. 19:02 Because I mean, naturally, 19:04 like if you walk into a supermarket 19:05 and you can't find something, 19:07 the natural thing is to go ask, right? 19:08 Right. So... 19:09 But sometimes the help is always available. 19:11 That's true. 19:12 And then if you're in a hurry, 19:14 I think then it could be maybe anxiety. 19:16 It is anxiety, all right. Okay. 19:18 Stress, your grandfather passes away, that's stress, 19:21 because that's long term. 19:22 Yeah. 19:23 The trauma is very, 19:25 you know, so we have acute stress disorder, 19:27 we have stress, 19:29 then we have anxiety, all right. 19:32 Listen, I don't know what pair of shoes to wear to church. 19:38 That would be... 19:40 Oh, which one? 19:42 Give me a hint. 19:43 Does it start with an S or an A... 19:46 Because some people could have an anxiety attack 19:49 because, you know, I gotta run in my stocking, 19:52 the right shoe with the right dress 19:54 and the right suit, that can become... 19:56 Well, I'm just not going to church. 19:58 Then it becomes stress. 19:59 Okay, I got you. 20:00 Because that's my only option I don't... 20:03 That was the only pair of shoes I wanted to wear 20:04 with that outfit, so I'm not going now. 20:07 So the anxiety shifted to the stress level. 20:11 And then when someone comes back in the house, 20:13 what's wrong with you? 20:14 There's nothing wrong with me. Yeah. 20:16 And it was just, just get another pair of shoes. 20:18 Well, that's the pair I wanted to wear. 20:20 Well, you gonna let a pair of shoes don't... 20:22 Don't say anything to me. 20:24 Now we're in a stress zone. Yeah. 20:25 All right, I give you one more example, okay. 20:29 You go to wash dishes, 20:30 you got to wash your clothes and there's no detergent. 20:35 That would be... I'd be... 20:37 That's a frustrating thing, so I would say stress. 20:40 That is stress. Yeah. 20:41 Because you want to eliminate the process. 20:44 Yes. 20:46 And you go and you told the last person 20:47 over and over again, 20:48 if you wash and we're running low, 20:50 you know, or write yourself a note. 20:51 Yeah. 20:53 So therefore, that would be stress, all right. 20:55 Okay, I'll give you an example. Oh-oh. 20:57 Okay, let's flip it. 20:58 Okay. Okay. 21:00 You go to the refrigerator 21:01 and there is just a little corner of orange juice 21:04 left in the container, 21:06 is that stress or is that anxiety? 21:08 That was Arthur all the time? 21:12 I had so much stress with him about that. 21:15 Why can't you just. 21:17 Well, you know, the bottom of it 21:18 has all that good sugar down there, 21:20 or, you know, we'll just make some more and pour in 21:22 and I would say, "No, you have to rinse it out." 21:24 So that caused me stress. 21:26 Someone else it could be an anxiety attack, 21:29 because dealing with their family origin... 21:32 You know, they may have gotten spanked 21:34 because, you know, 21:35 didn't I tell you take that picture out. 21:37 Why would you do that? 21:39 Why would you do it that way? 21:40 Yes. Okay. 21:41 Yes. You know. 21:43 So it sounds like, you know, 21:44 and when you're having these counseling sessions, 21:46 you have to really take a customized approach 21:48 because even though 21:50 somebody can be dealing with the same problem per se, 21:53 whether it's anxiety, or depression, 21:57 or suicidal tendencies or ideations, 22:02 or you know, whatever the case may be, 22:04 it's each on an individual basis, 22:07 because there's different triggers, there's... 22:10 Because your triggers are not my triggers. 22:11 Yeah. Yeah. 22:12 You know, I'm driving in traffic 22:14 that may be a trigger for you 22:16 and then it starts road rage 22:17 and you're ready to run somebody off the road. 22:20 Going to a supermarket going to a cleaners, 22:22 and you know, your clothes are not ready. 22:24 Yeah. Okay. I'll come back tomorrow. 22:26 So we handle it all differently. 22:28 Got you. 22:29 And I want to shift gears a little bit 22:31 in the essence of time, 22:32 we're running a little bit, a little bit low now. 22:34 All right. 22:35 What is Live to Be Well? 22:37 What does that mean to you? 22:40 Live to Be Well is a program 22:43 that was birthed out of the loss of my husband. 22:46 I wanted to let everything go, walk away from everything. 22:49 Yeah. 22:51 Because we had been a team for so long. 22:52 Yes. 22:54 You see one, you see the other, except for the golf course. 22:56 Yeah. 22:57 And so one day I was talking to El Rogers, 23:01 a good friend of mine, 23:02 a gentleman that I attend a sister church with. 23:05 Okay. 23:06 And he was doing some work for me and he said, 23:08 "Well, what are we doing?" 23:10 I said, "We're not doing anything else, 23:11 take the website down, take everything down, 23:13 I am done." 23:15 And he said, "What do you do?" 23:16 I said, "Just do what I asked you to do. 23:19 You've been my marketing director over 20 years, 23:21 please just do this." 23:23 He said, "Kim, this is not God's will." 23:25 Then, he asked the question again, 23:27 "What are you trying to do?" 23:29 And I said, "I'm just trying to live to be well." 23:33 Yes. 23:34 And Live to Be Well was birth and at that moment, 23:36 he said, "That's it. 23:38 We're going to change everything." 23:40 He went on the website Live to Be Well, 23:44 business cards, brochures. 23:46 It was one of the hardest thing I ever had to do 23:47 is take Arthur off the brochures, 23:50 off the business cards. 23:51 His name have to come off the website, 23:53 everything was now just Dr. Kim. 23:56 Yeah. 23:57 Live to Be Well means exactly that to be well in your living, 24:01 to be well in your actions, 24:03 holding yourself accountable for your choices in life 24:07 and where you are in your life. 24:09 And if you're not living well, then you can't live to be well. 24:13 And so the components of Live to Be Well, 24:16 is it what mental, spiritual... 24:18 Yes, psychological, it is social, 24:21 but most of all spiritual. 24:23 And it's so important 24:25 that we bring everything together, 24:27 because if one is impacted, 24:30 it's gonna impact the other four. 24:31 You ever heard that one bad apple 24:33 don't spoil the bunch. 24:34 Well, if your psychological is off balance, 24:37 it's going to impact your social, your mental, 24:40 your physical, and your spiritual. 24:42 If your spiritual is off balance, 24:44 it's going to impact all the other four, 24:47 so and your finances. 24:48 Yeah. 24:50 You know, so you want to bring those all together 24:52 to build that hierarchy of balance. 24:54 Got you. 24:56 And that's what Live to Be Well is about balance. 24:58 Yes, yes. 24:59 Now you know, from the outside looking in you wonder, 25:03 do you implement the tips and strategies 25:07 that you give to others 25:08 when they're going through things in your own life? 25:12 Sometimes, because you know, you get hard at it. 25:15 You know, physician heal thyself. 25:18 My daughter and I are in counseling now. 25:19 Okay. 25:21 And we are learning to understand 25:25 what we've been going through. 25:26 And I'm learning to listen. 25:28 I don't walk in as Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin, 25:30 the therapist, I walk in as her mother, 25:32 and her support system. 25:34 And now I'm learning how to listen lot more. 25:38 I'm trying to get more rest, drinking more water. 25:42 Karen makes sure I get a lot of water. 25:44 Nice. Take time to eat. 25:47 She says, "Why are you in that office 25:48 at 11 o'clock at night? 25:49 That's not healthy." 25:51 And she'd say, "Go home, go home." 25:53 So I'm hearing what Karen is saying, 25:56 because she doesn't want to have to bury me. 25:58 Yeah. 26:00 She doesn't want to come in here. 26:01 Can you imagine her walk in this office 26:02 and I'm laid out on this floor? 26:04 I don't want to imagine that. 26:06 I don't want to imagine that. Yeah. Yeah. 26:07 Because I've stressed myself so much 26:10 to meet the needs of so many people 26:12 that I've had a heart attack. 26:13 Yeah. 26:15 So I've got to have balance in my life 26:16 and I've got to listen to those 26:17 who are pouring into me like your mother, 26:20 she's poured into me, you know, go home and rest. 26:23 And put your feet up, go have a spa day. 26:26 Yes. 26:28 And learn how to live to be well. 26:29 Yes, absolutely, absolutely. 26:32 And I think that's important for people to realize 26:34 is that you're not immune to going through things. 26:36 That's right. 26:38 You know, we all have things 26:39 that we go through and experience. 26:41 Yes. 26:42 And it is life and, you know, 26:44 but praise the Lord that we have the one 26:47 that we can go to, which is Jesus Christ. 26:48 Yes. Yes. 26:49 We have professional help, such as you, Dr. Kim. 26:51 Thank you. Thank you. 26:53 And all of that, and I want to thank you for coming on 26:55 and sharing your strategies and your tips, 26:57 and your counseling sessions. 26:59 I appreciate you, Jason. Thank you. 27:00 God bless you. God bless you. 27:01 Thank you. 27:05 We had a great time recording Live to Be Well in Detroit. 27:09 Each guest really opened up 27:10 as they shared about their powerful journey 27:13 and how their faith played a very important role 27:15 in getting them through some very difficult times. 27:18 In some cases, there were tears that were shed, 27:21 and in other cases, there was laughter. 27:23 And perhaps you may be struggling 27:25 with something right now, 27:26 whether it's stress or anxiety, domestic abuse, 27:30 loneliness, or suicidal ideations, 27:32 whatever you are going through, 27:34 know that you can give it to Jesus. 27:37 The Bible tells us, "For God so loved the world, 27:39 that He gave His only begotten Son, 27:42 that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, 27:45 but have everlasting life." 27:47 Make the decision to trust in God today. 27:51 You won't regret it, I guarantee that. 27:54 Well, we've reached the end of another program, 27:57 thanks for tuning in. 27:58 Join us next time and remember, 28:00 it just wouldn't be the same without you. |
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